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stplsd
08-12-09, 04:56 AM
The 1969 Peter Clifton film ‘Popcorn’ is, as far as I have been able to find out, the source of the 'so-called' colour "Hey Joe promo". It looks very much as if this was originally when the clips of backstage /onstage/stagedoor footage from the concert at the Saville & clips of the original -all mimed - actual 1967 promo colour film were edited together.
Prior to this only a B&W print of the actual (all mimed) promo had been released and is still available on bootleg DVD. Although the copies I've seen are not in the best quality, a pristine quality of this B&W print appears to exist as clips of it can be seen in the most excellent 'Jimi Hendrix The Uncut Story' DVD. The original 1967 [U]colour - all mimed - promo can only be partly seen in a couple of clips edited into the "Popcorn" film composite - Does it still survive complete somewhere?

The colour film from the Saville concert (only the actual concert footage – none of the mimed promo) had only been used previously in the mysterious [unreleased?] 1968 Tommy Weber film "Watch Out For Your Ears' in which it was first set to the (unedited) 'Hey Joe' single, where it was shown along with the three [only existing?] songs from 'Christmas On Earth' – Sgt Pepper’s, Foxy Lady, and Wild Thing (badly cut, with horribly distorted stills of the group edited in). Alan Douglas got his grubby little paws on the Christmas on Earth film but only used Sgt Pepper & Wild Thing (with the stills cut out) in the Jimi Hendrix at Monterey film– What became of the rest, ie Foxy Lady?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Ayler
08-12-09, 05:57 AM
The 'Christmas On Earth' tape raise other questions: when & why did Hendrix overdubbed his vocals?

Makkinen
08-12-09, 06:14 AM
They probably wanted to use the footage for promotional purposes
(I see no other possibility in those days).
Some vocals weren't good enough or were poorly recorded so Jimi
recorded them again. That probably still didn't produce satisfactory
results so the footage was abandoned and forgotten.

yelapavision
08-12-09, 07:32 AM
I remember the Christmas On Earth film being referred to years ago as the Marshall Amps Promo Film. There's a big Marshall banner at the bottom of the stage. "The sound of success" or something like that.

stplsd
08-12-09, 08:31 AM
They probably wanted to use the footage for promotional purposes (I see no other possibility in those days).
Some vocals weren't good enough or were poorly recorded so Jimi
recorded them again. That probably still didn't produce satisfactory
results so the footage was abandoned and forgotten.

From your reply I take it you are referring to The Christmas on Earth footage and not the 'colour Hey Joe' promo?
The Christmas on Earth footage was used at the time, as mentioned above, in Tommy Weber's 1968 film 'Watch Out For Your Ears', which was a documentary of sorts which also featured The Beatles Pink Floyd etc., which is when, I would think, he (partly?) ODd his vocals. Some was also used in the better known 1968 film 'See/Hear my Music Talking' (actual title is a bit of a mystery) - a promo for Axis: Bold As Love. At least some of the film was obviously stored safely, as it was partly re-used in, as mentioned above, A. Douglarseholes Monterey film.

purple jim
08-12-09, 08:34 AM
I presume that other bands were filmed that evening. Anyone ever seen anything ?

stplsd
08-12-09, 08:55 AM
There's a few clips of 'Tomorrow' chucking their gutars around in 'Watchout For Your Ears' (I think)

carlygtr56
08-12-09, 09:11 AM
Here's the live stuff-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kXsDMklOEU

purple jim
08-12-09, 02:19 PM
In the "Hey Joe" (Saville Theatre) promo film that is on the Experience Hendrix DVD "Experience", you can see that footage of the band miming is mixed with what looks like live footage. Some colour "live" sequences are also in this predominantly cowboy footage promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wyNm5sZ5Q

More of the "live" footage can be seen in the film "Bold As Love" by Robert Driscoll (commercialised as "The Last Experience"). Check out the images from1:32 to 8:10:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTQ0NDQ1MTI=.html

stplsd
08-12-09, 05:26 PM
In the "Hey Joe" (Saville Theatre) promo film that is on the Experience Hendrix DVD "Experience", you can see that footage of the band miming is mixed with what looks like live footage.


I covered this in depth at the beginning of the thread.


Some colour "live" sequences are also in this predominantly cowboy footage promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wyNm5sZ5Q


Judging by the hair styles of the cowboys this does not look like a promo from early 1967, just something put together much later.

purple jim
08-12-09, 06:22 PM
Judging by the hair styles of the cowboys this does not look like a promo from early 1967, just something put together much later.

Absolutely. There are also some snatches of what looks like a 1968 or 69 concert with a psychedelic light show backdrop.

stplsd
08-12-09, 07:13 PM
More of the "live" footage can be seen in the film "Bold As Love" by Robert Driscoll (commercialised as "The Last Experience"). Check out the images from1:32 to 8:10:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTQ0NDQ1MTI=.html

Thanks for this interesting link, basically 'Steve Roby has his say'?
Very different from the other cut. Which is more music oriented and has a lot of the footage like the Handel plaque etc. put in separate sections.
But... unfortunately it doesn't shed any new light on the films in question.

purple jim
11-02-13, 11:34 AM
"In a way, Jimi Hendrix's brilliance played a role in the downward spiral that saw Tommy Weber fall from grace, and later end up in London's Wormwood Scrubs prison.Weber was a bon vivant in swinging '60s London, and he lived in a rarefied world that kept him in contact with rock's elite. After an attempt to make a Beatles movie failed, Weber tried to relaunch his film career by documenting Hendrix's legendary "Christmas on Earth" concert in 1967. This project also went bust, despite Weber capturing a dozen hours of Hendrix playing, footage that was eventually lost.
Weber abandoned his film plans and became a drug dealer, a career move that kept him in contact with musicians, but eventually led to his arrest."

From the book "A Day In The Life" by Robert Greenfield
Source:
http://seattletimes.com/html/books/2009220891_br17daylife.html

MourningStar
11-02-13, 12:56 PM
... There are also some snatches of what looks like a 1968 or 69 concert with a psychedelic light show backdrop.Newport 69.

purple jim
11-02-13, 03:53 PM
Hells bells, what a shame that the footage from this mammouth event has disappeared for the most part. Eric Burdon & The Animals, The Move, Pink Floyd, Graham Bond Organisation, Soft Machine, Keith West & Tomorrow...The Jimi Hendrix Experience.
The fact that Jimi agreed to go back and overdub his vocals shows how prestigious an event it was and how important the film was. To top it all, the band appear to be on top form and Jimi as at his exuberant best. Damn!

gregg
11-02-13, 04:11 PM
I just noticed that in the 2010 Axis Legacy DVD they used new footage from Christmas On Earth: there's a new part that wasn't neither on the film ''Experience'' nor in our video torrent, where Noel is playing guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJhnDkdC-0 check at 3:59 min

purple jim
11-02-13, 07:17 PM
I just noticed that in the 2010 Axis Legacy DVD they used new footage from Christmas On Earth: there's a new part that wasn't neither on the film ''Experience'' nor in our video torrent, where Noel is playing guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJhnDkdC-0 check at 3:59 min

Wow, yes. Must be "Red House"!

DevilsAvocado
11-02-13, 10:07 PM
With Noel on guitar, one would assume it's RED HOUSE, but i can't really make it fit with Mitch's drumming. I can't see why he would do a complete break while Jimi appears to be soloing... Also, why Noel appears to be playing in B, his hand movements seem too busy, when compared with what he would usually play on RED HOUSE. A little later (the footage is obviously cut, probably at the source), Mitch's drumming seems to fit with a RED HOUSE tempo, but the first clip puzzles me. Does the Experience's full Christmas On Earth show exist as audio?

purple jim
11-03-13, 05:47 AM
The footage is also on YouTube, masquerading as "Remember":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsyKwSuwx9E