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stplsd
09-30-09, 04:21 PM
The Jimi Hendrix Experience Farewell Tour (following a 38 day period from November 68 with no gigs, he played 14 cities (24 shows) in 23 days, followed by 76 days during which he only played two gigs at the Albert Hall)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
Jimi had announced in 1968 that he was finished with the Experience for a while. <o:p></o:p>
He decided to make a ‘Farewell’ TV special film from the Albert Hall concerts a la the Cream, but a bit more ambitious with interviews and other footage from some of the German shows & Strasbourg etc.<o:p></o:p>
He started with a short, intense tour of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><st1:place>Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region> with a couple of dates in <st1:country-region><st1:place>Sweden</st1:place></st1:country-region> & <st1:country-region><st1:place>Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region> & one in <st1:country-region><st1:place>France</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<o:p></o:p>
The 3rd US “tour” wasn’t a tour, just a series of one or two off gigs, (possibly inc. some previous commitments that had to be honoured?) flying in and out of <st1:State><st1:place>New York</st1:place></st1:State> from time to time. (11th April – 29th June. 24 cities, 25 shows over 3 months) <o:p></o:p>
The rest of the year (6 months) he played Woodstock; 3 x 1 song TV shows – the only TV he ever did in the US; Harlem was a charity “favour”; The Salvation was some strange “favour”; and 1 night at Fillmore East, which was basically a warm-up for the following night (1970), which was to be a “live” recording session for the Chalpin/Capitol LP.<o:p></o:p>
John McDermott: “Con­certs West, under the Jeffery-Weiss umbrella, had become so skillful that, with thorough precision, the Experience could remain in <st1:State><st1:place>New York</st1:place></st1:State> until the day of the show, fly in and, after one or two local bands had warmed up the crowd, play their set.” [& fly back again I presume?] Worked to death by Chas & Mike – I don’t think so!<o:p></o:p>
P.S.<o:p></o:p>
This post is only concerned with the JHE musicians not their Road Crew (ie Gerry Stickells, Eric Barrett and John Downing)<o:p></o:p>
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1969<o:p></o:p>
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Any earnings from Track/Polydor’s Jimi Hendrix recordings in the <st1:country-region><st1:place>UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> /<st1:place>Europe</st1:place> are being held in escrouw pending a settlement of the Chalpin case & are therefore unavailable to all parties. <o:p></o:p>
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JANUARY<o:p></o:p>
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<st1:City><st1:place>MONTEREY</st1:place></st1:City> FILM IS RELEASED IN US.<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig NYC flying to <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
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EUROPA<o:p></o:p>
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2 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> moves in with Kathy<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
4 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
5 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
7 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
<st1:country-region><st1:place>Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region> no gigs previous month and a half<o:p></o:p>
8 Göteborg 2 (<st1:country-region><st1:place>Sweden</st1:place></st1:country-region>)<o:p></o:p>
Chas was at the 2nd. He said later “it” was dire, but it sounds pretty good on the tape.<o:p></o:p>
Maybe he was at the 1st as well, and it was crap? And this is what he remembered. Or, more likely, he’s confusing the 1st show in <st1:City><st1:place>Stockholm</st1:place></st1:City>?<o:p></o:p>
9 <st1:City><st1:place>Stockholm</st1:place></st1:City> 2 (<st1:country-region><st1:place>Sweden</st1:place></st1:country-region>)<o:p></o:p>
1st show filmed for Swedish TV and (presumably shelved) <o:p></o:p>
as it is one of the worst shows Jimi did.<o:p></o:p>
The 2nd was pretty good though, but only audio taped.<o:p></o:p>
10 Křbenhavn 2 (<st1:country-region><st1:place>Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region>)<o:p></o:p>
<st1:country-region><st1:place>West Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
11 Hambug 2<o:p></o:p>
12 <st1:City><st1:place>Dusseldorf</st1:place></st1:City> 2 Monika 1st meets Jimi after this show<o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
13 <st1:place>Koln</st1:place>Monika allegedly accompanies Jimi to <st1:place>Koln</st1:place>? (Her stories vary wildly about this visit)<o:p></o:p>
14 <st1:State><st1:place>Munster</st1:place></st1:State>, back to <st1:place>Koln</st1:place> after gig <o:p></o:p>
15 Munchen 2<o:p></o:p>
16 <st1:place>Nurnberg</st1:place> 2<o:p></o:p>
17 <st1:place>Frankfurt</st1:place> 2 no gig night after<o:p></o:p>
but they would need it after this - 10 cities, 18 shows on the trot! <o:p></o:p>
but then that was nearly the whole tour, and there wasn’t <o:p></o:p>
much travelling involved<o:p></o:p>
18 No gig [<st1:place>Frankfurt</st1:place>?]<o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
19 <st1:City><st1:place>Stuttgart</st1:place></st1:City> 2, no gig night before, or after<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Stuttgart</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
21 <st1:City><st1:place>Strasbourg</st1:place></st1:City> (<st1:country-region><st1:place>France</st1:place></st1:country-region>) back to <st1:City><st1:place>Stuttgart</st1:place></st1:City>, no gig night before<o:p></o:p>
22 Wien (<st1:country-region><st1:place>Austria</st1:place></st1:country-region>) <o:p></o:p>
<st1:country-region><st1:place>East Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
23 <st1:place>West Berlin</st1:place> (enclave) no gigs for a while<o:p></o:p>
Spends night with Uschi Obermaier (famous/infamous model and part of the 'alternative music commune scene' in <st1:place>West Berlin</st1:place> centered around Amon Duul.
Filmed leaving Kempinski hotel together and kissing farewell
Jimi wrote to her later asking her to visit him in NYC.<o:p></o:p>
24 No gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
25 No gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
26 No gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
27 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
28 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
29 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
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<st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region> <o:p></o:p>
Jimi returns to produce 4 tracks for Buddy Miles Express<o:p></o:p>
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30 no gig NYC Jimi (only) flew in from <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
31 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
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FEBRUARY<o:p></o:p>
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1 No gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
3 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
4 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
7 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
8 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
09 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
10 no gig NYC Noel in <st1:place>Mallorca</st1:place><st1:country-region><st1:place>Spain</st1:place></st1:country-region> at Jeffery’s<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig NYC Noel in <st1:place><st1:City>Mallorca</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>Spain</st1:country-region></st1:place> at Jeffery’s<o:p></o:p>
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<st1:country-region><st1:place>England</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
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12 no gig London Jimi flew in from NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig LondonNoel in <st1:place><st1:City>Mallorca</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>Spain</st1:country-region></st1:place> at Jeffery’s.Jimi & Kathy Etchingham attend the press launching party for the Mary Hopkin LP Postcard (Apple Records). Also attended by Eric Barrett, Donovan, Linda Eastman, and many others.<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig LondonNoel flies in from <st1:country-region><st1:place>Spain</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
15 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
17 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
18 <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> Royal Albert Hall Chas attends the rehearsals and does a bit of managing.<o:p></o:p>
Chas later said that the band was so bad, if it was up to him <o:p></o:p>
he would have sacked Mitch & Noel and cancelled the second gig (24th), retrospective high horse? a little too much pre interview "hospitality"?<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
20 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
21 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
22 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
24 London Royal Albert Hall Chas attends the rehearsals and does a bit of managing.<o:p></o:p>
25 According to Noel, They all had a meeting at Chas’ including Mike, Chas, Jimi, Mitch the main topic of which was what was going to happen when Mike & Chas split up their partnership [so Chas it appears was still 50/50 in with Mike for the JHE at this point, just no longer producing Jimi] He says the outcome was they “sacked” Mike and chose to have Chas as their manager. To which Mike said “Well, that’s okay.” Although Noel felt the whole thing may have been engineered, and doesn’t know why they trusted Chas more than Jeffery. It was business as usual afterwards anyway. Noel seems to have fogotten that Jimi is breaking up the band?<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
Self confessed stalker Monika arrives with a male friend and goes to the Speakeasy where she luckily (for her, this time), but not unexpectedly, bumps into Jimi, but he goes home to Kathy that night.
Monika appears unaware of Kathy's existence.<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig London Jimi allegedly spends the night with Monika<o:p></o:p>
This would appear to be the only night.<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
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MARCH<o:p></o:p>
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1 no gig London Monika and Jimi at the speakeasy??<o:p></o:p>
US: AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
US: ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
Monika claims Jimi buys an identical snake ring to her’s <o:p></o:p>
and exchanges it with her?? <o:p></o:p>
3 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
4 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
5 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
6 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
7 no gig London Monika back to <st1:City><st1:place>Dusseldorf</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
8 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
US: AYE 60 <o:p></o:p>
US: ELL 48<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
10 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
11 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
12 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
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<st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
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13 no gig NYC Jimi (only) flies in <o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
AYE 64<o:p></o:p>
ELL 57<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig NYC. <o:p></o:p>
19 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
20 no gig NYC. <o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC Noel arrives<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
24 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
25 no gig NYC or LA? <o:p></o:p>
26 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
31 no gig NYC or LA?<o:p></o:p>
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ABRIL<o:p></o:p>
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1 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
3 no gig NYC. <o:p></o:p>
4 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
AYE 101 <o:p></o:p>
ELL 82 <o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
7 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
NOEL’S LAST SESSION with JHE<o:p></o:p>
10 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
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3rd <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> “TOUR” (series of gigs flying in and out of <st1:State><st1:place>New York</st1:place></st1:State>)<o:p></o:p>
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11 <st1:place><st1:City>Raleigh</st1:City><st1:State>NC</st1:State></st1:place>. No gigs for last while<o:p></o:p>
12 <st1:place><st1:City>Philadelphia</st1:City><st1:State>PA</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs next five nights<o:p></o:p>
AYE 107 <o:p></o:p>
ELL 125 <o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
18 Memphis TN 2 no gigs last five nights<o:p></o:p>
Jimi meets up with Billy<o:p></o:p>
19 <st1:place><st1:City>Houston</st1:City><st1:State>TX</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
AYE 111<o:p></o:p>
ELL 124<o:p></o:p>
20 <st1:place><st1:City>Dallas</st1:City><st1:State>TX</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs next few nights<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC Jimi only, rest in LA<o:p></o:p>
BILLY’S FIRST SESSION REPLACING NOEL<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC Jimi only, rest in LA<o:p></o:p>
Jimi & Mike buy Ampex recorders for Electric Lady<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig NYC Jimi only, rest in LA<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig NYC Jimi only, rest in LA<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig LA Jimi arrives<o:p></o:p>
26 <st1:place><st1:City>Los Angeles</st1:City><st1:State>CA</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs last five nights<o:p></o:p>
AYE 111<o:p></o:p>
ELL 141<o:p></o:p>
27 <st1:place><st1:City>Oakland</st1:City><st1:State>CA</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs next few nights<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
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MAY<o:p></o:p>
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1 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
2 <st1:City><st1:place>Detroit</st1:place></st1:City> no gigs last five nights<o:p></o:p>
3 <st1:place><st1:City>Toronto</st1:City><st1:State>ON</st1:State></st1:place>(flight via <st1:City><st1:place>Denver</st1:place></st1:City>) Jimi is busted for smack & hash<o:p></o:p>
AYE 122<o:p></o:p>
ELL 141<o:p></o:p>
4 <st1:place><st1:City>Syracuse</st1:City><st1:State>NY</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs next two nights<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC Jimi flies to <st1:City><st1:place>Toronto</st1:place></st1:City> for hearing date<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
7 <st1:place><st1:City>Tuscaloosa</st1:City><st1:State>AL</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs previous two nights, no gig next night<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Tuscaloosa</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
9 Charlotte NC no gig previous night<o:p></o:p>
10 <st1:place><st1:City>Charleston</st1:City><st1:State>NC</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
AYE 121<o:p></o:p>
ELL 138<o:p></o:p>
11 <st1:City><st1:place>Indianapolis</st1:place></st1:City> IN no gigs next few nights<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
16 <st1:place><st1:City>Baltimore</st1:City><st1:State>MD</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs last four nights, no gig next night <o:p></o:p>
Monika (stalking again?) arrives back in <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> & rents a flat.<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
AYE 120<o:p></o:p>
ELL 145<o:p></o:p>
18 <st1:place><st1:City>New York</st1:City><st1:State>NY</st1:State></st1:place> no gig previous night, no gigs next few nights<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
23 <st1:place><st1:City>Seattle</st1:City><st1:State>WA</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs previous four nights<o:p></o:p>
24 San Diego CA <o:p></o:p>
AYE 131<o:p></o:p>
ELL 172<o:p></o:p>
25 San Jose CA no gig next night<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig Noel & Mitch fly to <st1:City><st1:place>Honolulu</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
27 no gig Honolulu Jimi flies to <st1:City><st1:place>Honolulu</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
28 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Honolulu</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
29 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Honolulu</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
30 <st1:place><st1:City>Honolulu</st1:City><st1:State>HI</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs previous four nights<o:p></o:p>
31 <st1:place><st1:City>Honolulu</st1:City><st1:State>HI</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
AYE 131<o:p></o:p>
ELL 168<o:p></o:p>
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JUNE<o:p></o:p>
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1 <st1:place><st1:City>Honolulu</st1:City><st1:State>HI</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs for next couple of weeks<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig LA Jimi flies in. Noel & Mitch take a night flight<o:p></o:p>
Noel flies on to <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
3 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
4 no gig LA <o:p></o:p>
5 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig LA <o:p></o:p>
7 no gig LA <o:p></o:p>
AYE 131<o:p></o:p>
ELL 172<o:p></o:p>
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Buddy</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Miles</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Electric</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceType>Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>entry 147<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
Monika leaves London returns to Dusseldorf<o:p></o:p>
(Empty handed, stalking?)<o:p></o:p>
10 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Buddy</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Miles</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Electric</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceType>Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> ?<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig LA Noel arrives back from <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
19 no gig LA Jimi flies to <st1:City><st1:place>Toronto</st1:place></st1:City> for preliminary hearing<o:p></o:p>
Trial date set for 8 December<o:p></o:p>
20 Northridge (“<st1:City><st1:place>Newport</st1:place></st1:City> 69” festival) no gigs for previous couple of weeks, no gigs next while<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig LA <o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Buddy</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Miles</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceName>Electric</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceType>Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> ?<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
29 <st1:City><st1:place>Denver</st1:place></st1:City> Pop Festival last gig with Noel<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
Noel [& Mitch? He maybe left after the gig, but certainly soon after] fly to <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
Chas at this point (at least) appears to have had no more input into Jimi’s career. <o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
JULY<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig Boiceville <o:p></o:p>
Jimi moves into the house at Boiceville, but often spends time (nights) in NYC.<o:p></o:p>
Billy, Juma & Gerardo arrive around this time (house is rented from Dylan’s manager Grossman, with whom Jeffery, a near neighbour (in <st1:City><st1:place>Woodstock</st1:place></st1:City>), appears to be quite chummy with. Grossman is also either in the throes of building his famous studio in nearby Bearsville, or has recently completed it). <o:p></o:p>
2 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
Brian Jones drowns in his swimming pool<o:p></o:p>
4 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP ?<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
7 Dick Cavett TV NYC Jimi’s 1st <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> TV appearance<o:p></o:p>
(1 song, backed by the studio band, as Jimi doesn’t have a group together)<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
10 Tonight Show TV NYC Jimis 2nd <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> TV appearance<o:p></o:p>
(1 song backed by Billy & Tonight show drummer Ed Shaughnessy, as Mitch is in <st1:country-region><st1:place>England</st1:place></st1:country-region>)<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
12 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll 31<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP ?<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
14 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Larry arrives<o:p></o:p>
EASY RIDER MOVIE RELEASED IN <st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
15 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll 27<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP ?<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE 164<o:p></o:p>
ELL ?<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll 25<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP 96<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> release?<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Casablanca</st1:place></st1:City>(<st1:country-region><st1:place>Morocco</st1:place></st1:country-region>) Jimi flew in via <st1:City><st1:place>Paris</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
30 no gig Morocco<o:p></o:p>
31 no gig Morocco<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
AUGUST<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig <st1:country-region><st1:place>Morocco</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
2 no gig <st1:country-region><st1:place>Morocco</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
AYE 168<o:p></o:p>
ELL off the top 200<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ENTRY 81 (w bullet) & a ‘National breakout’<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll single 21 top position<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… 56<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig <st1:country-region><st1:place>Morocco</st1:place></st1:country-region> <o:p></o:p>
4 no gig <st1:country-region><st1:place>Morocco</st1:place></st1:country-region> <o:p></o:p>
5 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Paris</st1:place></st1:City>?<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Paris</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
7 no gig Boiceville Jimi flew in to NYC from <st1:City><st1:place>Paris</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
8 no gig Boiceville Mitch arrived about this date<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig Boiceville Fat Mattress, National Jazz and Blues festival, Plumpton <st1:country-region><st1:place>England</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
AYE 160<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 22 (w bullet)<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll single 26<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… 55 top position<o:p></o:p>
Buddy Miles Express—<st1:City><st1:place>Memphis</st1:place></st1:City> Train single 121<o:p></o:p>
10 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, <st1:place><st1:City>Bath</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
12 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
15 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE 165<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 14 (w bullet)<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll single 36<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… 76<o:p></o:p>
Buddy Miles Express—<st1:City><st1:place>Memphis</st1:place></st1:City> Train single 114<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
18 <st1:City><st1:place>Bethel</st1:place></st1:City>, An Aquarian Exposition (ie “<st1:City><st1:place>Woodstock</st1:place></st1:City>”)<o:p></o:p>
19 Jimi fails to appear on Dick Cavett TV show<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, Lyceum, <st1:place><st1:City>London</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
23 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE 172<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 11 (w bullet) (SOUL 44)<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Good Old Rock Roll single off chart<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP 68<o:p></o:p>
Buddy Miles Express—<st1:City><st1:place>Memphis</st1:place></st1:City> Train single 100<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, Tofts, <st1:place><st1:City>Folkestone</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
25 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, Marquee, <st1:place><st1:City>London</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
27 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, <st1:place>Isle Of Wight</st1:place><st1:place><st1:City>Festival</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
AYE ?<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 11 (SOUL 44)<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP 71<o:p></o:p>
31 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
SEPTIEMBRE<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, <st1:place><st1:City>Redcar</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
2 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
Reprise release Stone Free b/w If Six Was Nine<o:p></o:p>
4 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC? Fat Mattress, Friars club, Ayelsbury, England<o:p></o:p>
Jimi get’s Gypsy Sun & Rainbows to play a benefit for UBA<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
AYE off chart<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 6 (w bullet) (SOUL 41)<o:p></o:p>
Easy Rider entry 146<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—The Street Giveth… LP 87<o:p></o:p>
Cat Mother—Can You Dance To It Top 20 single Spotlight<o:p></o:p>
Rubber Band—Jimi Hendrix Songbook entry 135 (w bullet)<o:p></o:p>
7 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
9 Dick Cavett TV 1st gig by the new JHE (1 song) 3rd and last <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> TV appearance<o:p></o:p>
Juma arrived on his own and played percussion. All three TV appearances either listed ‘Jimi Hendrix’ or ‘Jimi Hendrix Experience’ as this, the last, was.<o:p></o:p>
10 No gig NYC? GS&R play ‘Salvation’ (where Jimi reportedly liked to hang when not in Boiceville) a strange small club gig, barely advertised, this can’t be classed as a serious professional concert.<o:p></o:p>
This gig is surround by so much bull it’s not real. It appears to have been some kind of “favour” for club owner Bobby Woods (supposedly an aquaintance & cocaine supplier of Jimi’s?) who, allegedly, had run foul of some hoods (“Mafia” – ooh, aren’t they all!?;-) Jimi supposedly ended up being “kidnapped” around this time, but was held by some accounts at his house, in Boiceville! This, apparently, was in connection to Bobby. Bobby was not so lucky and was [much] later murdered. Nobody has the same story, all attempting to ‘score points’ or just plain bullshitting. Take your pick and invent your own plot – there’s actually nothing to go on- so you can speculate as wildly as you fancy! <o:p></o:p>
In fact the whole GS&R/Boiceville period is surrounded by conflicting stories that appear to be fuelled by rampant [drug related?] paranoia & backbiting. Cocaine anyone?;-)<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
The last GS&R session,as the band becomes a trio ie basically the Experience, with Juma on percussion. Larry went back to <st1:City><st1:place>Memphis</st1:place></st1:City> & Gerardo a little later went off to further his career.<o:p></o:p>
Gerardo says that Jimi called “them” round to his hotel at some point and told them it was over, “for the time being.”<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig Boiceville/NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig Boiceville/NYC? <o:p></o:p>
Billy appears to have gone back to <st1:City><st1:place>Nashville</st1:place></st1:City> after this session<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig Boiceville/NYC? Fat Mattress, Beat <st1:place><st1:City>Club</st1:City>, <st1:State>Bremen</st1:State>, <st1:State>W.</st1:State><st1:country-region>Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig Boiceville/NYC?<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
OCTOBER<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Mitch went back to London some time this month, <o:p></o:p>
says he’ll be back for the planned Experience tour in the spring.<o:p></o:p>
When Billy comes back from <st1:City><st1:place>Nashville</st1:place></st1:City>, sometime this month, the BOGs is formed, with the idea of giving Chalpin/Capitol a “live jamming” LP <o:p></o:p>
But Billy can’t stand Douglas & Bright who are “producing”;-)<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig NYC?.<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig NYC?<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig NYC?<o:p></o:p>
4no gig NYC?<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC Noel gets married, <st1:place><st1:City>Ashford</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>England</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
7 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
10 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC.<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC.<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig NYC.<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig NYC.<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
23 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
25 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
27 no gig NYC.<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig NYC Fat Mattress, Byg/Actuel Music Festival, Mont de l'Enclus, Amougies, Belgium, With[I]: Soft Machine, Captain Beefheart, East Of Eden, Zoo, Chris McGregor Sextet, Steve Lacy, Alan Silva, Musica Elettronica Viva...<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
NOVEMBER<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Billy has had enough of Douglas & Bright <o:p></o:p>
& heads back to <st1:City><st1:place>Nashville</st1:place></st1:City> again<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig NYC Fat Mattress, Kinema Ballroom, <st1:place><st1:City>Dunfermline</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>Scotland</st1:country-region></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
3 no gig NYCFat Mattress, <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Electric</st1:PlaceName><st1:PlaceType>Garden</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, <st1:place><st1:City>Glasgow</st1:City>, <st1:country-region>Scotland</st1:country-region></st1:place>. Support: Van Der Graf <o:p></o:p>
Generator<o:p></o:p>
4 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
7 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
10 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC. <o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig NYC ‘POPCORN: An Audio Visual Rock Thing’ (film) is released in <st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYCBilly is persuaded to come back again<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
19 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
20 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
26 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
Jimi's 27th birthday <o:p></o:p>
He goes to see the Stones at MSG<o:p></o:p>
<st1:place>Devon</st1:place> throws a party, but leaves with Jagger<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
Last session with <st1:place>Douglas</st1:place> as “producer” (just some mixing)
Only the very basic track of ‘Room Full of Mirrors’ (a song Jimi had been working on since at least June 68) was useable from his (& his assistant Bright) two months as Jimi’s “producer” and would be manager!
Funnily enough Jimi seems to fare much better without
“producers”, or a “creative manager”.<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig NYC <o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
DICIEMBRE<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
2 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
3 no gig NYC Fat Mattress, gig?, <st1:country-region><st1:place>US</st1:place></st1:country-region> tour begins <o:p></o:p>
4 no gig NYCJimi signs a contract for $12,500 for the gigs at Fillmore <st1:place>East New York</st1:place>. Same day Alan Douglas writes a letter of resignation as Jimi’s producer, citing his own busy schedule, pressure from Mike Jeffery & Hendrix’s own disinterest.
Gerry Stickells: “The Fillmore gigs were put together very last minute, the Fillmore East and West were trend spots and Bill Graham was the trend guy. It would be like a major act doing a live album in a club now, compared to a stadium.”<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC, Fat Mattress, supporting Jethro Tull & Grand Funk Railroad<o:p></o:p>
Jimi: “I saw Noel at the Fillmore and I think everything is working out fine with him... I don’t know about anybody new [on the music scene]. I’m still digging Jethro Tull. I heard them here and I was impressed.” (Melody Maker, 20 December 1969).<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC Fat Mattress, supporting Jethro Tull & Grand Funk Railroad<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
7 no gig NYC Fat Mattress tour cancelled (“after four days”), they fell out and Noel <o:p></o:p>
<st1:City><st1:place>Redding</st1:place></st1:City> and some others left for <st1:country-region><st1:place>England</st1:place></st1:country-region> (they had 30 shows booked) <o:p></o:p>
8 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
9 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
10 <st1:City><st1:place>Toronto</st1:place></st1:City>. Jimi’s trial, he is found not guilty, ending SIX MONTHS of stress over a case, if found guilty, coud have sent him to jail for several years. Now he can get on with his life without the prospect of a possible lenghty jail sentence hanging over him.<o:p></o:p>
11 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS ? Easy Rider ?<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
16 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
17 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
18 no gig NYC Fat Mattress (cancelled, I presume?), Winterland supporting Santana & <o:p></o:p>
Grand Funk Railroad. With <st1:City><st1:place>Kimberley</st1:place></st1:City> <o:p></o:p>
19 no gig NYC Fat Mattress (cancelled, I presume?), Winterland supporting Santana & <o:p></o:p>
Grand Funk Railroad. With <st1:City><st1:place>Kimberley</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
20 no gig NYC Fat Mattress (cancelled, I presume?), Winterland supporting Santana & <o:p></o:p>
Grand Funk Railroad. With <st1:City><st1:place>Kimberley</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS 54, EASY RIDER @ 10<o:p></o:p>
21 no gig NYC Fat Mattress (cancelled, I presume?), Winterland supporting Santana & <o:p></o:p>
Grand Funk Railroad. With <st1:City><st1:place>Kimberley</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
22 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
23 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
24 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
25 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
26 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
27 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
SMASH HITS @ 57, EASY RIDER @ 14<o:p></o:p>
John "Upsy" Downing joins the crew<o:p></o:p>
28 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
29 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
31 no gig NYC Fillmore East,BOG’s 2 show warm up gig for the next night’s <o:p></o:p>
‘live’ recording session for the Chalpin/Capitol LP. Jimi hasn’t even finished writing most of the lyrics! but then it's supposed to be a "jam" album.<o:p></o:p>

univibs
10-01-09, 05:05 PM
from what you saying and from the way you putting it, it almost sounds like Jimi was:
1.enjoying an endless vacation...
2.a lazy musician
3.definitely no a superstar
chose the answer that most "fit" ya...

to me, from the way you put it, it sounds that Jimi was in the hands of kinder garden class management.
a Superstar talent and brilliant musician like him supposed to be surrounded by professionals who will lead and guide a musician like Jimi.

that makes me think with greater power of what a lousy manager was Mike...




He decided to make a ‘Farewell’ TV special film from the Albert Hall concerts a la the Cream, but a bit more ambitious with interviews and other footage from some of the German shows & Strasbourg etc.<O:p></O:p>
<O:p</O:p

where are those German and Strasbourg films ?

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
10-01-09, 06:24 PM
where are those German and Strasbourg films ?God I wish knew, those gigs are my favorite except for the late Cry of Love gigs.

stplsd
10-01-09, 07:32 PM
from what you saying and from the way you putting it, it almost sounds like Jimi was:
1.enjoying an endless vacation...
2.a lazy musician
3.definitely no a superstar
chose the answer that most "fit" ya...

to me, from the way you put it, it sounds that Jimi was in the hands of kinder garden class management.
a Superstar talent and brilliant musician like him supposed to be surrounded by professionals who will lead and guide a musician like Jimi.

that makes me think with greater power of what a lousy manager was Mike...

That's just your interpretation of what my list of dates appears to mean to you, if thats your conclusions thats up to you, they are not mine. My only negative views are about the Stockholm 1st show for TV and that the musical portions of his US TV performances were pretty shit. I'm not putting it any way, or saying anything. It's just what it is. Not exactly overworked by Chas & Mike. Mike's job was to arrange and book concerts, organise press coverage, publicity, jiggle the finances, do dodgy deals etc. not to "look after" Jimi, what did Mike know about music anyway, f-all. Jimi fucked Chas off and made his best album, and after he eventually gave in and organised and gave Chalpin/Capitol their dodgy Lp he was well on his way to producing a very nice new Lp (in his and Mike's state-of-the-art new studio) - maybe another masterwork. All this bollocks about "Mike not doing blah blah poor Jimi" is just over sentimental postmortem blame casting, blame him for ripping Jimi off if you will, but that's as far as it goes (unless you are going for the murder/insurance plot), it was Jimi's choice not to be "creatively managed" he briefly tried/used/messed around with Douglas and Bright and that was a dismal flop (or Jimi was up to some shenanigans?).

purple jim
10-02-09, 12:11 AM
from what you saying and from the way you putting it, it almost sounds like Jimi was:
1.enjoying an endless vacation...
2.a lazy musician
3.definitely no a superstar
chose the answer that most "fit" ya...

The research by stplsd is simply in answer to the widely accepted notion that the JH Experience were over worked, through extremely intense tour schedules. This has been said in interviews with Noel and Gerry Stickels.
Looking at the listings, one can see that there were only a few periods of multiple gigs, which did zig zag across the states. This must have been exhausting for all concerned and though relatively brief, did leave a bad and long lasting memory with the participents.

dino77
10-02-09, 02:38 AM
Personally I love those "fucking terrible" US TV performances. I think they are fucking cool - Jimi playing with a "square" studio band and with a guy who played with Charlie Parker (Ed Shaugnessy). To each his own (though Stockholm '69 is terrible).

stplsd
10-02-09, 08:49 AM
gigs, which did zig zag across the states. This must have been exhausting for all concerned and though relatively brief, did leave a bad and long lasting memory with the participents.

The only period in 1969 in the USA when they played multiple gigs back to back was May:

28 no gig LA<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
29 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
30 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
MAY<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
1 no gig LA<o:p></o:p>
2 <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Detroit</st1:place></st1:City> no gigs last five nights<o:p></o:p>
3 <st1:place><st1:City>Toronto </st1:City><st1:State>ON </st1:State></st1:place>(flight via <st1:City><st1:place>Denver</st1:place></st1:City>) Jimi is busted for smack & hash<o:p></o:p>
4 <st1:place><st1:City>Syracuse</st1:City><st1:State>NY</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs next two nights<o:p></o:p>
5 no gig NYC Jimi flies to <st1:City><st1:place>Toronto</st1:place></st1:City> for hearing date<o:p></o:p>
6 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
7 <st1:place><st1:City>Tuscaloosa </st1:City><st1:State>AL</st1:State></st1:place> no gigs previous two nights, no gig next night<o:p></o:p>
8 no gig <st1:City><st1:place>Tuscaloosa</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p>
9 Charlotte NC no gig previous night<o:p></o:p>
10 <st1:place><st1:City>Charleston </st1:City><st1:State>NC</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p>
11 <st1:City><st1:place>Indianapolis</st1:place></st1:City> IN no gigs next few nights<o:p></o:p>
12 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
13 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
14 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>
15 no gig NYC<o:p></o:p>

The whole point is that they didn't zig-zag around the states on a "tour", but that they mostly flew in and out of New York for one or two off gigs. Have a look at the map on google. Exhausting? playing a 45 min max set? Okay, sometimes a couple days in a row, but always with several days off on either side and usually inbetween as well, come on;-) Have another look?

stplsd
10-02-09, 08:49 AM
Personally I love those "fucking terrible" US TV performances. I think they are fucking cool - Jimi playing with a "square" studio band and with a guy who played with Charlie Parker (Ed Shaugnessy). To each his own (though Stockholm '69 is terrible).

Whatever. I didn't say "they" were fucking terrible I said the FIRST ONE SOUNDED fucking terrible. I said "they" were amongst his worst performances, and that they were "pretty shit", so what if Ed played with Bird, I didn't mention him, and that does not make it sound any better. The guitar and bass was way too quiet and Jimi's playing is quite awkward.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
10-02-09, 08:59 AM
The TV performances are ok for me. And he was probably petrified of being on in front of millions of people, regardless of being on at concerts, he was a shy person after all. I'm not a big big fan of them, they're ok though. I like the Shokan jams and Woodstock more for a taste of that period.

stplsd
10-02-09, 09:13 AM
The TV performances are ok for me. And he was probably petrified of being on in front of millions of people, regardless of being on at concerts, he was a shy person after all. I'm not a big big fan of them, they're ok though. I like the Shokan jams and Woodstock more for a taste of that period.

He didn't appear to be shy on 'It must be Dusty' or 'the Lulu show' both prime time shows.
You didn't cringe when you saw hear my train on Cavett? really?

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
10-02-09, 09:16 AM
^ He also didn't have to talk on either of those. Well I don't know, just trying to find a excuse for it not being amazing like most other live performances. He was a man, it's possible he just a bad day on those. And having a small amp and 3 minutes.

It's ok. I don't know how much he could've done with the house band and two minutes to do a song that's usually 8-10 minutes. And he had a small small amp. I didn't find it pleasent but it didn't make me want throw up.

stplsd
10-02-09, 09:19 AM
^
Yeah the talking bit, he looks very uncomfortable with the chat - it's really quite a bizarre situation, all that very bright lighting and an awful stage set. Jimi looks like a stranger in a strange land. But then he does perform well chat wise, getting quite a few laughs.

Totally inadequate gear and preparaton for the first two gigs, but that knowledge doesn't make it sound any better.

If they/he'd turned the volume right up on the guitar and bass during the first show it would have sounded much better, but they/he didn't, so...

douchebagsden
10-03-09, 01:20 AM
Jimi, lazy? He has more tape recorded in 4 years than most artists do their entire life. You wouldn't last a day in Jimi's shoes, especially with all the press obligations, people trying to be your best friend left and right, stalkers, relationships, travelling constantly, performing and creating material for new projects and for new genres! You act as if what Jimi was doing during this time didn't shift the entire landscape of music.

Maybe when you work as hard as hendrix did and you finally see a financial reward, you would take a little time off to recollect yourself and move forward to the next phase.

I think people really have this perfect view of what Jimi should be based on a few recordings when in reality, Jimi was jamming with tons of people, influencing so many pockets of the music scene, and he didn't need a big bill or promotions for that, that was just him being who he was. The man got involved with different knowledge, something that is evident with his time with roland kirk and where that led him.

Sometimes you have to look past all the obvious shit and understand the intangibles, but most never will...

stplsd
10-03-09, 11:09 AM
Jimi, lazy? ..

Who said he was lazy?

douchebagsden
10-03-09, 11:33 AM
read further above, this is in response to multiple people

stplsd
10-03-09, 01:02 PM
read further above, this is in response to multiple people

I repeat, nobody said he was lazy.

univibs
10-03-09, 01:11 PM
That's just your interpretation of what my list of dates appears to mean to you, if thats your conclusions thats up to you, they are not mine.
there are MANY interpretations to the meaning of "over worked".
especially when you see the outcome.
Jimi was exhausted in 1970 and you see it, lucky, most of the time his playing wasn't effected by it.
when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.


Who said he was lazy?

you see what have you done...
( I told you that,from the way you are putting the words...)

you just can't make Mike Jeffry a saint !

RobWats67
10-03-09, 04:36 PM
there are MANY interpretations to the meaning of "over worked".
especially when you see the outcome.
Jimi was exhausted in 1970 and you see it, lucky, most of the time his playing wasn't effected by it.
when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.



you see what have you done...
( I told you that,from the way you are putting the words...)

you just can't make Mike Jeffry a saint !







You're on target, univibs.

:thayou219bl:

stplsd
10-03-09, 07:25 PM
Jimi was exhausted in 1970

He may have been but it wasn't due to playing too many gigs. Let's look for the real reasons instead of YOU GUYS just being lazy, eh?


you see what have you done...
( I told you that,from the way you are putting the words...)

NO! I TOLD YOU. THERE IS NO "PUTTING WORDS" IT'S A LIST OF DATES AND FACTS. YOU TRIED TO PUT WORDS WHERE THERE WERE NONE. STOP BEING DISHONEST!


you just can't make Mike Jeffry a saint !

NOW YOU ARE SINKING TO THE DEPTHS! PRAVDA OR VOICE OF AMERIKA WOULD LOVE YOU. SPOOK RECRUITING IS LOOKING FOR A MAN LIKE YOU

scoutship
10-03-09, 08:34 PM
It's been pondered & mulled by a few that sometimes people overlook the fact that Jimi spent several years working travelling gigging scrounging prior to going off to London to commence the 4 year "star" period most know him for, without a break between, however much that may've played into however one wants to interpret his tour & studio schedule/responsibilities/demands on "personal" time & whatnot or define "exhausted" or some need for a "recharge" period.

stplsd
10-03-09, 10:46 PM
It's been pondered & mulled by a few that sometimes people overlook the fact that Jimi spent several years working travelling gigging scrounging prior to going off to London to commence the 4 year "star" period most know him for, without a break between, however much that may've played into however one wants to interpret his tour & studio schedule/responsibilities/demands on "personal" time & whatnot or define "exhausted" or some need for a "recharge" period.

See "earlyhendrix.com" etc etc

univibs
10-04-09, 01:40 PM
Let's look for the real reasons


in here:



when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.

stplsd
10-04-09, 05:25 PM
in here:

You kept it well hidden. But in there you're just repeating the same totally unjustified "gigging" and Mike Jeffery nonsense anyway.

This, of course, has nothing to do with my lists of concert dates arranged by Chas and Mike (and I daresay Jimi) [which covers the "gigging" bit of your...?] and is entirely a spurious argument invented by yourself to try to make something out of this that isn't there - it's only in your mind. But I will indulge you...

Mike (although, quite possibly, playing dodgy deals with Jimi's finances, typical of many managers, we will never know what Jimi & Mike's financial arrangements were as they were both playing a dodgy game which also involved Chas & Burdon, both players in the Yameta scam, (these schemes are not set up so that money can be traced - that's the whole point!) was the least of his worries really.
Warners had, it would appear, let Jimi down badly over the Chalpin/Capitol deal (Mo Ostin's silence speaks volumes) and it is obvious that the Chalpin/Knight betrayal and this "settlement" damaged him severely, this was a HUGE financial and continuing legal burden still not resolved when he died and had tainted his life from as soon as he became famous in the UK in 1967 from when Chalpin started his odious attack, with assistance from the even more revolting Dick Rowe of UK Decca and some slime from Capitol. Never mind the artistic damage being done by Chalpin's vindictive & greedy releases of hacked up old tapes never intended for release. And the betrayal by these people he obviously had counted as friends must have been a severe psychological (trust) blow. This aspect of Jimi's career is consistently swept under the carpet by nearly all published writers on Jimi. Who wants to take on Capitol & Warners? far easier just to pretend this was not a big problem and blame his financial problems all on Mike. Ooh! it's more than my job's worth. Much easier to find people willing to spout sensational tales about an unpopular dead man than some giant corporations - eh?
The "free" Chalpin/Capitol BOGS album is treated usually as if it was almost just another release, when the creation of it was obviously the main stumbling block in the way of Jimi creating his next studio album. Imagine being forced to create an LP and then give the entire rights away to some evil cheating scumbags like Chalpin & Capitol - a complete nightmare. Has anyone in the history of recorded music been treated so disgracefully? I've never heard the like! Yet every writer just glosses over this as though it was quite okay, "Jimi shouldn't have signed this contract, he had to pay" Outrageous! The UK courts certainly didn't think it was okay in 1973, when they more or less told Chalpin to go fuck himself.

Instead of just accepting any bit of gossip flung your way, and trying to put false words in my mouth, why not do a bit of research yourself?

stplsd
10-04-09, 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by univibs http://crosstowntorrents.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?p=23458#post23458)

when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.

What does this have to do with a list of gigs?

Building your own dream studio (with Mike)? - Many would be envious.

[finding new musicians,recording new songs]? -What does a band-leader do? eh? Anyway what "new" musicians? the only "new" musicians Jimi used were - Noel & Mitch. Oh, and later, Buddy & Juma, but they were just musical aquaintances anyway, Jimi had jammed on and of with Buddy over two years at least.

UBA? Jimi played one benefit gig for his friends in Harlem - so?

"Black Panthers?" What TF do they have to with Jimi playing music?

"Interviews?" duh?

"Racism?" duh?

"Women's envy?" So women were envious of Jimi? that's a new one!

"Short list?" list of nonsense more like

What has any of this got to do with the list of concerts Jimi played? Nothing, that's what.

Oh, and you forgot to mention the little matter of his bust for bringing heroin & hash into Canada in May for which he could well have spent several years in jail, and the wait for his trial which left him hanging for six months!

univibs
10-06-09, 04:29 PM
You kept it well hidden. But in there you're just repeating the same totally unjustified "gigging" and Mike Jeffery nonsense anyway.

This, of course, has nothing to do with my lists of concert dates arranged by Chas and Mike (and I daresay Jimi) [which covers the "gigging" bit of your...?] and is entirely a spurious argument invented by yourself to try to make something out of this that isn't there - it's only in your mind. But I will indulge you...

Mike (although, quite possibly, playing dodgy deals with Jimi's finances, typical of many managers, we will never know what Jimi & Mike's financial arrangements were as they were both playing a dodgy game which also involved Chas & Burdon, both players in the Yameta scam, (these schemes are not set up so that money can be traced - that's the whole point!) was the least of his worries really.
Warners had, it would appear, let Jimi down badly over the Chalpin/Capitol deal (Mo Ostin's silence speaks volumes) and it is obvious that the Chalpin/Knight betrayal and this "settlement" damaged him severely, this was a HUGE financial and continuing legal burden still not resolved when he died and had tainted his life from as soon as he became famous in the UK in 1967 from when Chalpin started his odious attack, with assistance from the even more revolting Dick Rowe of UK Decca and some slime from Capitol. Never mind the artistic damage being done by Chalpin's vindictive & greedy releases of hacked up old tapes never intended for release. And the betrayal by these people he obviously had counted as friends must have been a severe psychological (trust) blow. This aspect of Jimi's career is consistently swept under the carpet by nearly all published writers on Jimi. Who wants to take on Capitol & Warners? far easier just to pretend this was not a big problem and blame his financial problems all on Mike. Ooh! it's more than my job's worth. Much easier to find people willing to spout sensational tales about an unpopular dead man than some giant corporations - eh?
The "free" Chalpin/Capitol BOGS album is treated usually as if it was almost just another release, when the creation of it was obviously the main stumbling block in the way of Jimi creating his next studio album. Imagine being forced to create an LP and then give the entire rights away to some evil cheating scumbags like Chalpin & Capitol - a complete nightmare. Has anyone in the history of recorded music been treated so disgracefully? I've never heard the like! Yet every writer just glosses over this as though it was quite okay, "Jimi shouldn't have signed this contract, he had to pay" Outrageous! The UK courts certainly didn't think it was okay in 1973, when they more or less told Chalpin to go fuck himself.

Instead of just accepting any bit of gossip flung your way, and trying to put false words in my mouth, why not do a bit of research yourself?

let's start from beginning.. Did Jimi tried to get rid of Mike Jeffry Management, true or false ?

univibs
10-06-09, 04:52 PM
[QUOTE=univibs;23486]when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.


What does this have to do with a list of gigs?



great question. Check out yourself, look at this:




21 no gig NYC>>

22 no gig NYC>>
23 no gig NYC>>
24 no gig NYC>>
25 no gig NYC>>
26 no gig NYC>>
27 no gig NYC>>



like I was saying for the first time, IT'S THE WAY YOU PUTTING IT. he didn't have to gig every day, 365 days a year you know... sometimes 20 gigs a year it's too much.
what I'm trying to say and by this I hope we will end this argument , there's no scale for measureing what "OVER WORKING" means, maybe for Jimi, 50 gigs a year that's way too much and maybe 10 gigs a year it's fair.
from this you will learn that there's no way and you don't have any right to say that Jimi didn't over worked, and being so cynical about it on the way, because you don't know if he over worked !
we know how much time Jimi was in the studio and we know how many music he left us.. ammm.. almost forgot, recording is not a "work" .

stplsd
10-07-09, 07:33 AM
let's start from beginning.. Did jimi tried to get rid of mike jeffry management, true or false ?

listen mate, give it a rest. There's a thread for discussing all that stuff - look it up

stplsd
10-07-09, 08:06 AM
[QUOTE=univibs;23486]when a man (not necessarily a musician) has to deal with financial problems, building a huge studio, gigging, finding new musicians,recording new songs(pressure,pressure), interviews, fans, UBA, Black panthers, racism, women's envy and let's not forget Mike Jeffry (the last is a Job for itself) meaning you are "over worked" ! and this is a short list.


great question. Check out yourself, look at this: .
^ WHAT'S THIS?



like I was saying for the first time, IT'S THE WAY YOU PUTTING IT. he didn't have to gig every day, 365 days a year you know... sometimes 20 gigs a year it's too much.
what I'm trying to say and by this I hope we will end this argument , there's no scale for measureing what "OVER WORKING" means, maybe for Jimi, 50 gigs a year that's way too much and maybe 10 gigs a year it's fair.
from this you will learn that there's no way and you don't have any right to say that Jimi didn't over worked, and being so cynical about it on the way, because you don't know if he over worked !
we know how much time Jimi was in the studio and we know how many music he left us.. ammm.. almost forgot, recording is not a "work" .

That's the third time you've said that, just repeating something doesn't make it true - although it's a popular notion with dodgy politicians.

You're at it again - putting words in my mouth - I never said he should play any gigs at all, or do anything. I made it clear that this is entirely about Jimi's work schedule that involved Chas & Mike's input ie gigs. It's not about how much time he spent in the studio - which was up to him.

TRY READING WHAT I WROTE AND STOP ADDING IN YOUR OWN NONSENSE.

YOU'VE NOT PUT FORWARD ANY ARGUMENT FOR ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID IN YOUR HYSTERICAL JUMBLE ANYWAY, MERELY STATED SOME UNRELATED TOPICS/OPINIONS [?] - BASED ON...?

stplsd
05-10-10, 04:23 PM
Added as many post JHE Fat Mattress gigs as I could find and some other stuff - not a lot of FM info around (surprise;-) Interesting Fillmore East proximity? a bit about Grossman & Jeffery. Any more info would be welcome.

dino77
05-10-10, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the "Thin Pillow" dates.

Not to re-start an old argument, but as for Jimi's burn-out... The legal issues must have exerted at least as much pressure as the touring commitments.

It seems he didn't have a powerful enough organisation behind him. As in looking out for his interests (Jeffery was clearly money-oriented), protecting him and keeping the sycophants away. It just seems he was an open target for lots of people.

As an example, Stones survived decades of advanced drug use (way more advanced than in Jimi's case), lawsuits, political pressure etc. due to a solid organisation.

MourningStar
05-10-10, 05:35 PM
...Not to re-start an old argument, but as for Jimi's burn-out... The legal issues must have exerted at least as much pressure as the touring commitments.
.... agreed. Jimi's burn-out is generally accepted fact. Most published literature as well as peer testimonials are aligned to the amazement of this man's phenomenal accomplishments in the few years that his star shone.

MourningStar
05-10-10, 05:42 PM
... As an example, Stones survived decades of advanced drug use (way more advanced than in Jimi's case), ...fwiw, heroin and such-type abuse does not destroy human tissue as does alcohol abuse. a comparable booze-habit will take you out in a wink in comparison.

stplsd
05-10-10, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the "Thin Pillow" dates.

Not to re-start an old argument, but as for Jimi's burn-out...
Maybe it would have helped if he'd had a more powerful/caring organisation behind him. As in looking out for his interests (Jeffery was clearly money-oriented), protecting him and keeping the sycophants away. Well, he had one important ally before he alienated Chas Chandler.


They were a "Thin Pillow" indeed:-)

Keith Shadwick interview with Kevin Ayers, 2002 from ‘Jimi Hendrix Musician’: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
Kevin Ayers, singer/songwriter and bassist/guitarist with Softmachine, an act signed to Mike Jeffery & Chas Chandler around this time, and were support on the two main 1968 "tours", was also a songwriter signed to Jeffery’s publishing company. He recalled Jeffery and <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = " border=" /><st1:City><st1:place>Chandler</st1:place></st1:City> more bluntly. “We never got the royalties for our first record, and that sold a lot of copies. Chas Chandler died just as we were getting a case together. … I didn’t like either of them after a while, Chas Chandler or Mike Jeffery. I mean <st1:City><st1:place>Chandler</st1:place></st1:City> was quite charming in a way but he was a villain. So was Jeffery. No other word to describe them.”
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Who says he was burnt out anyway? Played some dodgy gigs on and off before he died, going through a "rough patch", but that's not the same thing as "burnt out" - [okay, maybe just semantics? ie I'm not neccessarily disagreeing] People do what they want, no-one can stop them being self destructive (hopefully just a temporary bingeing situation), that's all just fantasy - read the papers, it's been going on forever: 'Hollywood Babylon', Whitney, Winehouse, Jackson etc etc. they hang out with who they want to. Jimi unforunately appears to have got into downers rather than smack, as many did at this time, being readily available on prescription, were often seen as being not that dangerous, but causing many deaths.
He was not so burnt out that he couldn't have finished a great album before the Xmas market (the patched together half finished one is still very popular!) or whatever, He'd made a load of cash of his last tour, Chalpin's case outside the US did not look good and Jimi etc. would more than likely have kept the rights (outside of the US/Canada, already released on Track/Polydor) for his second biggest selling LP: BOG, the studio was up and running and was state of the art, and would surely have been raking in the cash, more so if he'd lived


As an example, The Rolling Stones survived decades of advanced drug use (way more advanced than in Jimi's case), lawsuits, political pressure etc. due to a solid organisation. It just seems he was an open target for lots of people.

No comparison - Jagger & Richards were a team, came from fairly cozy backgrounds, and had years of fairly cozy "Little Britain" "Popstardom" without even having to write a song, before their 'World turned day-glo' Jimi was on his own, from a completely different background and situation. Richards only alive coz he was lucky (like Pallenberg & Faithful who also "survived", but only just, etc ) They got ripped off too, out of the frying pan and into the fire with Klien. Mick's business mind is the "organisation" ("clearly money oriented":-) money talks (or swears).

"It seems" Yeah exactly "It seems" according to who? and when? about what? a target? well isn't every celeb? If Jimi chose to dole out cash to folk, that's up to him, and reportedly he did (sometimes). Though it's funny how many people claim they had to sub Jimi cause he just couldn't get any cash at that particuar time, "My manager won't give me any" Ha-ha-ha! "Oh, I can't afford to get my guitar out of the pawn, could you." heh-heh. ("There's one born every minute.";-)

Then he pays cash for a brand new Stingray etc etc.

GSR/BOG appears to have cost him quite a bit though: $5/8,000 (can't remember offhand) limo bill, expensive damage to the house, large cash handouts, dental bills, airplane fares, the house itself (ie free accomodation, food - dope? for several people and their friends/wives) recording studios, hotels in New York, all with nothing to show for it apart from an LP he had to give away, and, oh, well the royalties from "Woodstock" might have (later) given him quite a bit, don't know what the deal was?

One of the main points I have attempted to highlight (which has been more or less swept under the carpet in the rush to lay it all on Jeffery - an easy target) is the likely strongly adverse psychological effect his long drawn out and bitter case with Chalpin/Knight/Capitol/Decca/Warners had on him and his recorded output between Rainy Day & Room Full of Mirrors - not to mention the SIX MONTHS of stressful waiting for his court case which could have sent him to jail for several years.

stplsd
05-10-10, 06:46 PM
fwiw, heroin and such-type abuse does not destroy human tissue as does alcohol abuse.
If you get a regular clean supply, and that's a big if, unless you got connections, like the Stones had, well, just Keith really;-)

PS Alcohol mashes your brain much faster too.

And of course taking downers with alcohol is guaranteed to shorten your life even quicker. But then choking to death on your vomit through excess alcohol alone is probably more frequent than anything - AC/DC?

dino77
05-11-10, 02:21 AM
Yeah, Jimi certainly wasn't burnt out creatively, going through his most creative recording period since Ladyland. But the guy in the Isle of Wight video looks haggard, tired, painfully thin and old way beyond his 27 years.

Richie Havens quote: "I'm having a real bad time with my managers and lawyers"*, Jimi said. "They're killing me; everything is wired against me and it's getting so bad I can't eat or sleep...You've been doing this longer than me, man, I need to talk to a lawyer, man. You must know somebody."
Interesting stories here: http://www.timbuckleyandfriends.com/RichieHavensExcerpt.html

I now regret the comparison with Keith. He's barely human...he's Keith. ;)

*most probably refering to the Chalpin case, the Diana Carpenter paternity case and Jeffery.

Ezy Rider
05-11-10, 02:49 AM
You can dispute if a nervous breakdown is the same as a burn-out, but in the Dick Cavett Show Jimi clearly mentions he already had a nervous breakdown three times. And that was in '69. The reason for this nervous breakdown, I believe, is not that mafia-kidnap-story but rather the Ed Chalpin deal hanging like an albatros around his neck (perhaps that would also explain why he dissolved the BOG so quickly, often interpreted as instigated by MJ but more probably by Jimi).

stplsd
05-11-10, 05:26 AM
You can dispute if a nervous breakdown is the same as a burn-out, but in the Dick Cavett Show Jimi clearly mentions he already had a nervous breakdown three times. And that was in '69. The reason for this nervous breakdown, I believe, is not that mafia-kidnap-story but rather the Ed Chalpin deal hanging like an albatros around his neck (perhaps that would also explain why he dissolved the BOG so quickly, often interpreted as instigated by MJ but more probably by Jimi).

It can also be "clearly" disputed what Jimi means by "nervous beakdown" in th DC interview - eg Smashing up his hotel room in Sweden possibly?
The BOG was quite clearly just a one off project to make the live "Band of Gypsies LP he had been talking about for quite some time previously. He did very little recording with them after the concerts (while he & Eddie were making the Lp) and when it was finished, so were they (ie Buddy). Mitch said in an interview when he left for England that he would be back for the spring JHE tour. Jimi also talked about this tour just before, during and just after the BOG concerts, even the start month, although he got the tour the wrong way round having it starting in Europe and ending in the US - obviously changed his mind later. There was never any mention of Noel being back in the band from either though, Jimi saying that he was definitely out. I does rather look like the Rolling Stone interview was not much more than a publicity exercise, as was strongly hinted by the interviewer.

Ezy Rider
05-11-10, 06:03 AM
In Jimi's words:

Jimi : [On why he missed the previous DC show the Monday night he played Woodstock] It was like a… What do you call those things? Nervous breakdown, or whatever, you know
DC : Physical breakdown?
Jimi : Yeah
DC : You don’t suppose it was a real-you didn’t have-have you ever had a nervous breakdown?
Jimi : Yeah… about three of ‘em since I’ve been in this group, since I’ve been in this business, you know
DC : Really?
Jimi : Hmm
DC : Gee, I didn’t mean to pry, but-eh, since you…
Jimi : No, really
DC : … brought it up I…
[Laughter]



http://hendrix.aceboard.fr/264448-2568-7249-0-entretiens.htm

(the MM interview is on the same webpage)

stplsd
05-11-10, 06:19 AM
But the guy in the
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I think that's pushing it a bit far as a description, let's not forget that he was on a bit of a "bender": EL opening party, transatlantic flight (doesn't look too bad at the airport?) and then partying some more in London, the band didn't go on until very late, he wasn't a spring chicken no more, by the time he got to Copenhagen he looked a lot worse - hardly surprising, although he looks a bit better by Fehmarn? Most of us would look pretty rough at that age after doing a load of god-knows-what and with not a lot of sleep over the best part of a week. I've hardly recognized myself in the mirror on occasion! Jimi was nearly always skinny, check the photos

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Richie Havens quote: "I'm having a real bad time with my managers and lawyers"*, Jimi said. "They're killing me; everything is wired against me and it's getting so bad I can't eat or sleep...You've been doing this longer than me, man, I need to talk to a lawyer, man. You must know somebody."<o:p></o:p>

Interesting stories here: http://www.timbuckleyandfriends.com/RichieHavensExcerpt.html<o:p></o:p>
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*most probably refering to the Chalpin case, the Diana Carpenter paternity case and Jeffery.<o:p></o:p>
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Don't forget that he was also facing a paternity suit from Eva Sundqvist.
Thanks for the interview. Unfortunately it does , as usual, sound like it's a bit "I saw it coming" posthumous tainted. Richie has claimed before, almost verbatim, that he was responsible for pushing Jimi to go it alone in the Village (highly disputable). <o:p></o:p>
This bit is quite amusing:
“I told him that I have a very good lawyer that he should talk to-Johanan Vigoda-a legend in the music world and a man who was going to play an important role in my recording career. I told Jimi that I would be glad to introduce him and that I would be in <st1:City><st1:place>London</st1:place></st1:City> for four days after the festival and would be going directly back to <st1:State><st1:place>New York</st1:place></st1:State>. I told him to come by and see me when he left the <st1:place>Isle of Wight</st1:place>.”
Richie can be heard talking to Jimi backstage just prior to his appearance, yes. But the Vigoda bit – he was formerly Jeffery’s lawyer the one that Jeffery used to clear up Jimi’s old contracts in 1966 (didn’t do a very good job did he) He was also the “broker” used by Jeffery when he signed with Warner/Reprise heh-heh! And used by him until he went with Steingarten Weiden & Weiss. Howard Kalow: “Steve Weiss was the junior partner and entertainment lawyer for the firm. At the time, Weiss had a handful of prominent clients, including Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Sid Bernstein and the Young Rascals, ex-wrestler Peter Grant, a protege of Michael Jeffery's who managed the new Yardbirds [later Led Zeppelin], and Management Three, Jerry Weintraub's production company. Weiss understood the business of rock n' roll, its volatility, its power struggles, its cash flow and the need for organization. The walls of his office were filled with stereo equipment, not law books. Though Jeffery placed great faith in Weiss's opinions, he was a relative beginner in the field of entertainment law, having only entrered into the business in the early 1960s by representing television personality Jack Paar.”<o:p></o:p>
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Yeah, Keith’s somethin’ else heh-heh.<o:p></o:p>

stplsd
05-11-10, 06:25 AM
In Jimi's words:

Jimi : [On why he missed the previous DC show the Monday night he played Woodstock] It was like a… What do you call those things? Nervous breakdown, or whatever, you know
DC : Physical breakdown?
Jimi : Yeah
DC : You don’t suppose it was a real-you didn’t have-have you ever had a nervous breakdown?
Jimi : Yeah… about three of ‘em since I’ve been in this group, since I’ve been in this business, you know
DC : Really?
Jimi : Hmm
DC : Gee, I didn’t mean to pry, but-eh, since you…
Jimi : No, really
DC : … brought it up I…
[Laughter]


http://hendrix.aceboard.fr/264448-2568-7249-0-entretiens.htm


Yeah, I know, it's my transcription;-)

He is offering a patently dodgy excuse for missing the show ("or whatever"). He does appear to have been tired after the Woodstock show, but certainly not suffering what anyone would describe as a "nervous breakdown".


(the MM interview is on the same webpage)

The comments through the interview were written by me also;-)

Ezy Rider
05-11-10, 06:40 AM
Great! :bananasmile::bananasmile::bananasmile: