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murray451
11-26-09, 04:25 AM
What's the story behind the Strat with the Tele neck? I first saw this picture on the cover of the Dick Cavette DVD and assumed it was air-brushed but from the photo below it seems that's not the case.

I've never owned a Tele but I'm told that Tele necks don't just drop into Strat bodies so I guess some customising has been done here.

backfromthestorm
11-26-09, 07:22 AM
Dont know the story i`m afraid but does anyone else have any other pics of it/Jimi playing it? A closer inspection might tell more. Maybe Fender gave it him?

A bit of an anomaly.

Freedom
11-26-09, 09:37 AM
It's probably a hybrid, probably made of other guitar's left overs...i've seen it only on Newport '69...

purple jim
11-26-09, 11:13 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/24870_19690.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)
http://www.noob.fr/upload/1a3a1_img01.gif (http://www.noob.fr)
http://www.noob.fr/upload/b719e_hendr.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

MourningStar
11-26-09, 01:09 PM
... does anyone else have any other pics of it/Jimi playing it? ...also can be scrutinized on the Newport 69 videos available here at CTT

murray451
11-26-09, 02:01 PM
Thanks Purple Jim for the extra pictures - It would certainly be interesting to get a closer look at that headstock to see what it says !!

univibs
11-26-09, 04:02 PM
I always thought that the reason he played on a Tele neck was maybe because some kind of damage happened to his Strat's neck and while the strat neck was in repair, he attached a Tele neck.
it does seem like it his his favorite white Strat body.

stplsd
11-26-09, 04:21 PM
It was his roady John 'upsy' Downing who put this neck on as a repair, it's discussed in a Univibes mag with him. I believe it's only been photographed at this concert.

stplsd
11-26-09, 04:23 PM
Thanks Purple Jim for the extra pictures - It would certainly be interesting to get a closer look at that headstock to see what it says !!

It says Fender Telecaster and has a stripe down the back of the neck.
From guitar wiki:

The neck, like all Fender guitars, is bolted on, using 3 or 4 bolts, depending on the model. Some designs, like the American Deluxe Telecaster, include a contoured heel on the body, for easier playing on the high frets. The contour takes the place of the fourth bolt. Some 3 bolt necks are not contoured, but rather, the third bolt is centered, giving the neckplate a triangular shape, typically with the famous Fender logo "F" in the center. Necks come in maple and rosewood with a "skunk-stripe" on the back, and usually feature dot inlays. The headstock is the design used from the Broadcaster, while some Telecaster variations use the Stratocaster headstock. Like the Stratocaster, and other Fender designs, the headstock is 6-in-line (with the exception of the J5 Telecaster that uses an unorthodox 3-a-side headstock). Except for the headstock, Telecaster and Stratocaster necks are virtually the same in terms of number of frets, fret size, inlays, truss rod, nut, heel, and skunk stripe.

Lord Summerisle
11-27-09, 02:48 AM
He borrowed that guitar, it wasn't his.

kurher
11-27-09, 11:26 AM
From Guitar Player Master Series Fall 2003:


"One time, Hendrix's roadies brought in a white Strat that Jimi had thrown off stage", says Neal Moser, a luthier (and designer of B.C.Rich's Rich Bich guitar) who was employed by West Organ & Amp Repair in Hollywood California." The neck was broken, and they wanted a replacement. Of course, Fender didn't have any at the time, but they did have some Tele necks. We got one, and I modified the butt to fit the Strat body. That guitar ended up in a collage on the Hendrix in the West album. One thing I noticed on some of Hendrix's guitars was a very small file cut on the 16th fret-just to the treble side of the G string. This was so that Jimi could rattle his third string back and forth across the notch for that little thing he does on 'Foxey Lady'. In those days, guitarists didn't have al these intricate, preconceived ideas about how things are supposed to work. It was a different time and a different place."

backfromthestorm
11-27-09, 12:02 PM
From Guitar Player Master Series Fall 2003:



"One time, Hendrix's roadies brought in a white Strat that Jimi had thrown off stage", says Neal Moser, a luthier (and designer of B.C.Rich's Rich Bich guitar) who was employed by West Organ & Amp Repair in Hollywood California." The neck was broken, and they wanted a replacement. Of course, Fender didn't have any at the time, but they did have some Tele necks. We got one, and I modified the butt to fit the Strat body. That guitar ended up in a collage on the Hendrix in the West album. One thing I noticed on some of Hendrix's guitars was a very small file cut on the 16th fret-just to the treble side of the G string. This was so that Jimi could rattle his third string back and forth across the notch for that little thing he does on 'Foxey Lady'. In those days, guitarists didn't have al these intricate, preconceived ideas about how things are supposed to work. It was a different time and a different place."


I think jimi would of known better than to cut pieces out his frets? Messing up your guitars tone and playability for the sake of a foxy lady intro, but hey i wasnt there so what do i know! Great quote though.

scoutship
11-27-09, 01:20 PM
"...One thing I noticed on some of Hendrix's guitars was a very small file cut on the 16th fret-just to the treble side of the G string. This was so that Jimi could rattle his third string back and forth across the notch for that little thing he does on 'Foxey Lady'."


Interesting *IF* true. You certainly don't need a notch in the fret anywhere in order to get that "little thing" he does in the Foxey Lady intro.

carlygtr56
11-28-09, 06:30 AM
I think jimi would of known better than to cut pieces out his frets? Messing up your guitars tone and playability for the sake of a foxy lady intro, but hey i wasnt there so what do i know! Great quote though.

Ridiculous. When I read that back in the day, I DISCOUNTED all the other info the guy was claiming.

stplsd
11-28-09, 10:51 AM
He borrowed that guitar, it wasn't his.

According to?

stplsd
11-28-09, 10:54 AM
it does seem like it his his favorite white Strat body.

correction: It is a A white strat body

stplsd
11-28-09, 10:55 AM
That guitar ended up in a collage on the Hendrix in the West album.

What collage?!

backfromthestorm
11-28-09, 11:33 AM
i

`i` what?

Yes it doesnt seem to be the woodstock strat if thats what was being referred to in the earlier post. It has damage on the bottom of it, (the top to a right handed player) not seen on the woodstock strat. The damage in that area would most likely be wear and tear from being played by a right handed player, so I gather it wasnt always his guitar, or he had borrowed it. In my opinion.

stplsd
11-28-09, 11:53 AM
It has damage on the bottom of it, (the top to a right handed player) not seen on the woodstock strat. The damage in that area would most likely be wear and tear from being played by a right handed player, so I gather it wasnt always his guitar, or he had borrowed it. In my opinion.

How many white strats did he own? He was not gentle with his guitars. The damage could have got there by any number of ways, and the reason for the neck replacement was because the neck was broken, ie Jimi smashed this guitar at some point. I think John Downing - his roady at this time after all - has the most reasonable and non-bullshit answer. Of course it's always possible that JD is prone to talking complete self-serving bullshit as most of Jimi's aquaintances and "friends" appear to be quite adept, although in his case it sounds quite matter of fact and dull, ie true and not of any significance, just another old broken guitar temporarily repaired for a forgotten jam by one of the crew.

univibs
11-28-09, 01:06 PM
repacement
replacement

Chas J.
08-21-10, 01:28 AM
He borrowed that guitar, it wasn't his.


True. All the JHE gear was on a truck heading to Denver (or to NYC then Denver), after the Friday night show on 6/20/69.

chromedog
11-29-10, 04:44 PM
not to be a smart a@@, but a tele neck, (more precisely, the heel) is not the same as a strat...the strat heel is slightly rounded, whereas the tele neck is squared off.

stplsd
11-29-10, 09:32 PM
True. All the JHE gear was on a truck heading to Denver (or to NYC then Denver), after the Friday night show on 6/20/69.

Not according to his roadie.

guitarbear
11-30-10, 02:23 PM
I play Jaguars, had a lot of Strats'. For a while I played Teles' because the neck radius felt "thicker" and more comfortable. I have longer fingers, and holding a "thin" neck would make my palm cramp-up. I missed my whammy bar, though, and moved on to Jaguars and Jazzmasters. I'm no expert on guitars or Jimi, but I always wondered if he tried that tele neck for a while because it was more comfortable. I miss my 4'x8' Newport poster too!

Vibratory
12-08-10, 02:05 PM
the neck has a stripe meaning it was pretty new. fender started making them again in 69. previously they made them only without stripe. OR it was a pre 1959 but thats unlikely.

msteeln
12-10-10, 12:42 PM
He borrowed that guitar, it wasn't his.That's how I've always known it too, but who does he borrow a mongrel Strat from that is strung up lefty? I actually had a name once, that's now gone with time, but how fortunate for Jimi to happen upon a suitable guitar...

Gypsy Eyes
12-12-10, 09:36 AM
I, myself, Believe it's an early 60's olympic white body with a 50's telecaster neck. A 50's telecaster neck would have had a skunk stripe, where it is one piece of solid wood, machined out for the truss rod placement. If anyone could get a close up of the head and see what the decal looks like, we could possibly identify what period it was made. I also believe this was a replacement guitar. built up by a roadie because a neck was broken and Jimi wanted to experiment or use this particular one. Whatever the case, this Strat didn't last long in terms of it's gig life with Jimi. Maybe he kept it, But I doubt it.

I think it's a super cool guitar though. Looks great. Jimi didn't have too many maple neck Stratocasters. Notably the two 68's and a red 60's strat with a one piece maple neck (hybrid?) which ended it's life in an auditorium in Saville. I think he had one other maple necked strat. And then this 'Telostrat' hybrid.

purple jim
12-12-10, 10:03 AM
If anyone could get a close up of the head and see what the decal looks like, we could possibly identify what period it was made.

On some views here you see the decals quite clearly:
http://jimihendrix.forumactif.net/hendrix-live-f3/devonshire-downs-newport-69-22-juin-1969-t592.htm

Vibratory
12-12-10, 10:48 AM
I, myself, Believe it's an early 60's olympic white body with a 50's telecaster neck. A 50's telecaster neck would have had a skunk stripe, where it is one piece of solid wood, machined out for the truss rod placement. If anyone could get a close up of the head and see what the decal looks like, we could possibly identify what period it was made. I also believe this was a replacement guitar. built up by a roadie because a neck was broken and Jimi wanted to experiment or use this particular one. Whatever the case, this Strat didn't last long in terms of it's gig life with Jimi. Maybe he kept it, But I doubt it.

I think it's a super cool guitar though. Looks great. Jimi didn't have too many maple neck Stratocasters. Notably the two 68's and a red 60's strat with a one piece maple neck (hybrid?) which ended it's life in an auditorium in Saville. I think he had one other maple necked strat. And then this 'Telostrat' hybrid.

yeah definitly a cool looking guitar:)
The logo is the big CBS variety this combined with the skunk stripe can only mean this is a brand new telecaster 1969 neck. The body is however definitly not Olympic white. It could be jimis woodstock strat. the story that this is a temporary replacement neck offered by fender seems more plausible now that we know the tele neck was new and that the old Fender factory was just 50 miles from Northridge CA located to the south of LA in Fullerton. See map.

Not sure but i dont think there are any nitro finish ivory whites. this ivory colour was strictly poly finish thus 1968+. but not sure... the neck is definitly 69.

anyone know when jimi was seen again with the woodstock strat?pictures?

see if the neck is brand new on these pics:) could be a clue.

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fender2.html (http://home.provide.net/%7Ecfh/fender2.html)

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html (http://home.provide.net/%7Ecfh/fenderc.html)

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo91/Demi-urge/img014II.gif

johanincr
12-12-10, 03:43 PM
Thats some solid reasoning Vibratory!

The last White Strat that i have in a picture pre-Newport is from San Jose, 25 may. Havent seen pics of Jimi playing a White Strat after that, like at Hawaii'69.

Then we have the White Strat with the Tele neck first turning up at the Newport JHE show on 20 June. Plays it again on the 22nd.

After this, i've not seen any pics of Jimi with a White Strat at Denver 29 June. First pics there-of that i've seen are from the Tinker Street Cinema 10 August.

The Cigarette marks on the White Strat played on 25 May and 10 August look VERY similar. It could be they only re-fretted the neck and what we're seeing on the Newport pics is in fact the Woodstock Strat w/Tele neck?bonk1

Vibratory
12-12-10, 04:06 PM
Thats some solid reasoning Vibratory!

The last White Strat that i have in a picture pre-Newport is from San Jose, 25 may. Havent seen pics of Jimi playing a White Strat after that, like at Hawaii'69.

Then we have the White Strat with the Tele neck first turning up at the Newport JHE show on 20 June. Plays it again on the 22nd.

After this, i've not seen any pics of Jimi with a White Strat at Denver 29 June. First pics there-of that i've seen are from the Tinker Street Cinema 10 August.

The Cigarette marks on the White Strat played on 25 May and 10 August look VERY similar. It could be they only re-fretted it?



ok well there goes another nice theory out the window. haha.
then i have no clue where this guitar came from. the close up shots on the woodstock strat show different damage on the arm contour, aaah well.
tnx for the pics! that 20-6 one havent seen b4:)

univibs
12-12-10, 04:50 PM
Jimi didn't have too many maple neck Stratocasters. Notably the two 68's and a red 60's strat with a one piece maple neck (hybrid?) which ended it's life in an auditorium in Saville. I think he had one other maple necked strat.

there were a few, especially in 1967:
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stplsd
12-14-10, 12:44 AM
there were a few, especially in 1967:
All these photos appear to be of this same guitar (1966 'candy apple red') which he used on tour in Germany, Sweden, Denmark & Finland. It sustained a split down the length of the body (in Sweden?) and ended up painted and "sacrificed" at the Saville, as GE mentioned:


... a red 60's strat with a one piece maple neck (hybrid?) which ended it's life in an auditorium in Saville.

He also had a 'fiesta red' strat, but with a rosewood neck, which he played at Herford, which he threw across the stage at Spalding, and is possibly the same one he painted and sacrificed at Monterey.

Dolly Dagger
12-14-10, 09:05 AM
... and is possibly the same one he painted and sacrificed at Monterey.

Except Keith Altham (or some last name similar) tells the story of JH buying the Strat at Monterey.

Gypsy Eyes
12-14-10, 10:35 AM
yeah definitly a cool looking guitar:)
The logo is the big CBS variety this combined with the skunk stripe can only mean this is a brand new telecaster 1969 neck. The body is however definitly not Olympic white. It could be jimis woodstock strat. the story that this is a temporary replacement neck offered by fender seems more plausible now that we know the tele neck was new and that the old Fender factory was just 50 miles from Northridge CA located to the south of LA in Fullerton. See map.

Not sure but i dont think there are any nitro finish ivory whites. this ivory colour was strictly poly finish thus 1968+. but not sure... the neck is definitly 69.

anyone know when jimi was seen again with the woodstock strat?pictures?

see if the neck is brand new on these pics:) could be a clue.

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fender2.html (http://home.provide.net/%7Ecfh/fender2.html)

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html (http://home.provide.net/%7Ecfh/fenderc.html)

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo91/Demi-urge/img014II.gif


Good man, good. My best guess without looking at the decal was late 50's. But good! 1969 eh.. hmm. If you say this is not olympic white (although it may not look it at this time, as they yellow over the years) then it certainly cannot be the Woodstock stratocaster.

Another theory I have, I'm not very good with dates btw, but isn't this around the time of the Dick Cavett show interview? JH is wearing the same outift, but plays the Woodstock stratocaster on the show. Yes, maybe he had some work done on the Woodstock strat, but I doubt it somehow. Probably nothing to do with it, but at Woodstock, at the end of Voodoo Child (Slight Return), Jimi does the teeth solo, the cam is behind him when he lifts the guitar up to his face, there is a deep gap in the neck pocket. Odd. I also noticed this on the photos of Mitch holding it at the Sotheby's auction. No biggy for us guitar players though.

Did someone say that this guitar was documented in a UV issue?? coffee1

I'd love to have some more discussion about this.

And Stplsd, yes of course, I've seen that split in a lot of photos. :)

Peace

msteeln
12-14-10, 02:44 PM
Except Keith Altham (or some last name similar) tells the story of JH buying the Strat at Monterey.While this doesn't make a lot of sense, it could have happened, but if it was a new Strat why would he sacrifice it? It's doubtful he was rolling in guitars at this point to allow a new one to go immediately, and I've read where he states the Wild Thing guitar was worn out. Plus, what store in sleepy little ol' '67 Monterey sold new or even used Strats then, did he buy it 'off the street'?

Gypsy Eyes
12-14-10, 02:53 PM
While this doesn't make a lot of sense, it could have happened, but if it was a new Strat why would he sacrifice it? It's doubtful he was rolling in guitars at this point to allow a new one to go immediately, and I've read where he states the Wild Thing guitar was worn out. Plus, what store in sleepy little ol' '67 Monterey sold new or even used Strats then, did he buy it 'off the street'?

Good point, that was '67 and it was a '65 strat (If I recall rightly). And it may be the case he did buy one, but sacrificed an old one. I don't know!

univibs
12-14-10, 04:58 PM
While this doesn't make a lot of sense, it could have happened, but if it was a new Strat why would he sacrifice it? It's doubtful he was rolling in guitars at this point to allow a new one to go immediately, and I've read where he states the Wild Thing guitar was worn out. Plus, what store in sleepy little ol' '67 Monterey sold new or even used Strats then, did he buy it 'off the street'?




Good point, that was '67 and it was a '65 strat (If I recall rightly). And it may be the case he did buy one, but sacrificed an old one. I don't know!

all of this is nothing but assumptions , STPLSD's version were he sacrificed an old guitar in Monterey is new to me and it's first time I hear it.
the "bought it in Monterey" story is a story that I read in several sources for almost 20 years now and it's more solid to my ears.

Vibratory
12-14-10, 05:19 PM
all of this is nothing but assumptions , STPLSD's version were he sacrificed an old guitar in Monterey is new to me and it's first time I hear it.
the "bought it in Monterey" story is a story that I read in several sources for almost 20 years now and it's more solid to my ears.

its pretty obvious now jimi didnt like red guitarsfuel1

Dolly Dagger
12-14-10, 05:31 PM
Good point, that was '67 and it was a '65 strat (If I recall rightly). And it may be the case he did buy one, but sacrificed an old one. I don't know!

Or bought a broken old one and decided to paint it up. Remember this is a ROSEWOOD Red strat, the pics above are of a MAPLE Red strat. Details, details.

msteeln
12-14-10, 08:29 PM
all of this is nothing but assumptions , STPLSD's version were he sacrificed an old guitar in Monterey is new to me and it's first time I hear it.
the "bought it in Monterey" story is a story that I read in several sources for almost 20 years now and it's more solid to my ears.Until we have solid evidence it's all speculations and questions. I don't think the discussion has reached assumption level yet. I've asked previously about the WT Strat's origins and former usage, without replies, and it seems this particular guitar is a mystery. My recollections of it being worn out go significantly beyond 20 years and obtained via a credible source/s, which doesn't mean it's fact but worthy of being put forth in case someone can verify it. I'm here for truth in everything Jimi, without a dog in the fight, and I've always been intrigued by this one guitar, so hopefully this can get sussed out with facts.
I'd think Jimi would have come 100% prepared for that gig, with no need to buy a new guitar anywhere, let alone in a one horse town. It sounds unlikely, but he was an impulsive guy, so maybe. Also hard to imagine is that he bought a junker to burn, simply because he wouldn't have 'loved' it as he mentions, like he would one he'd played the crap out of.
I believe this forum has at least one shot of Jimi in England with the presumed WT to be Strat.

Gypsy Eyes
12-15-10, 09:16 AM
its pretty obvious now jimi didnt like red guitarsfuel1

Or pink ones for that matter. Jimi played strats from lots of different years, this pink one I brought into the conversation was from 1957 and was given to Billy Gibbons.

Gypsy Eyes
12-15-10, 09:52 AM
Or bought a broken old one and decided to paint it up. Remember this is a ROSEWOOD Red strat, the pics above are of a MAPLE Red strat. Details, details.

I know, I said that Jimi only had a handful of maple necked stratocasters in his lifetime.

From what I can say of maple neck strats is as follows:


A pink 1957 stratocaster with a one piece maple neck with a skunk stripe, given to Billy Gibbons http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6584/hendrix57.jpg
2. A red stratocaster that sustained a split and was burned at Saville as we mentoned. Earlier on I wrote "(Hybrid?)" for this guitar, as it looks like a 50's neck, but the pickguard has 11 screws, not 8.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/ruexperienced/gallery/RedStrat.jpg
Split not present here in this photo:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9830/98456719.png

3. The infamous Newport "Telostrat" that this thread is actually about.. (contrary to belief it is the Woodstock strat but renecked, I seriously disagree as things do not add up) 1969 neck?
http://www.electric-guitars-rock.com/images/hendrix_newport_33.jpg

4. The 1968, Woodstock Stratocaster, serial 240981
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/39/131339-050-566F660F.jpg


5. And The 1968, Black Beauty Stratocaster, serial 222625

http://s11.acephotos.org/images/orig/1/p/1pipfpdb46pap1p6.jpg


Jimi probably had another at some point but he honestly did not have many. In the photo of the JH Gear book, did it say the Lefty blonde strat had a maple neck?

Peace.

johanincr
12-15-10, 10:37 AM
3. The infamous Newport "Telostrat" that this thread is actually about.. (contrary to belief it is the Woodstock strat but renecked, I seriously disagree as things do not add up) 1969 neck?
http://www.electric-guitars-rock.com/images/hendrix_newport_33.jpg



Can you elaborate which things dont add up? I'd like to see some 'proof' (ow gawd there's that word again! :)

Do you still doubt its a 1969 neck? (If not, why the '?')

Gypsy Eyes
12-15-10, 10:40 AM
Can you elaborate which things dont add up? I'd like to see some 'proof' (ow gawd there's that word again! :)

Do you still doubt its a 1969 neck? (If not, why the '?')

Apparently the colour is an ivory white, their is damage to the body in different places to the Woodstock strat's body.

And no, I was just writing "1969 neck?" so the information was there and incase anybody wanted to elaborate on that, but I guess I'm too confusing.

msteeln
12-15-10, 01:39 PM
In the recent book Hendrix Gear, it lists him having amongst other maple neck Strat's in those 4 years, two white and two black which were purchased at various parts of '68 and which he's said to have favored the last years of his life. Whether this white body is one of those, I guess, is still to be determined.

Gypsy Eyes
12-15-10, 02:56 PM
In the recent book Hendrix Gear, it lists him having amongst other maple neck Strat's in those 4 years, two white and two black which were purchased at various parts of '68 and which he's said to have favored the last years of his life. Whether this white body is one of those, I guess, is still to be determined.

The earlier black one was a 59 model, ever seen pics of it?

I don't know about the white one.

Vibratory
12-15-10, 05:49 PM
incase anybody wanted to elaborate on that, but I guess I'm too confusing. I already didpopcorn1

also provided links to where this strat expert info can be obtained.
there are different types of maple necks, different ways of production as you may well know.
skunk/no skunk, spaghetti logo/transition logo/bold logo etc etc.
the 'telestrat' neck is definitely '69 built. Skunk+bold logo.
as to the woodstock body i discovered a hi-res picture of the guitar taken from the Experience Music museum. It looks like there is a dent on the same spot as the damage on the Newport 'telestrat' AND some weird discoloration as if it was partially touched up with paint not quite matching the original. This is not proof but again one can not definitely rule out that this was not the same body.

There is the testimony of the roadie that the guitar was damaged and the neck replaced by a teleneck at the fender factory while the original neck was repaired.
A replacement we already ruled out as Jimi used the old neck again in august the latest.

There are several things that support this:
The vicinity of the Fender factory at Northridge,
Jimi also used it on the 20th (so a loan for the 22nd is unlikely)
The seemingly brand new and definitely '69 teleneck,
No photographical evidence of Jimi using the white strat around this period
and as far as I could find on the internet there were NO ivory white strats produced EVER prior to 68.
Damage as seen at Newport on the body is also present on the guitar now in display but looks retouched. (they even cleaned the complete burns off the peghead) so this is inconclusive.

All in all I believe this is the woodstock body with a temp teleneck fitted by fender. Previously I always 'assumed' it was a loan.

Also the fact that Jimi did not own many maple necks was simply because they were out of fashion and were not produced AT ALL (only on special order) between '59 and '68.

maybe we should watch the woodstock films again;)
Trainspotting can be fun but I leave it at that :) hooters1

Vibratory
12-15-10, 06:00 PM
In the recent book Hendrix Gear, it lists him having amongst other maple neck Strat's in those 4 years, two white and two black which were purchased at various parts of '68 and which he's said to have favored the last years of his life. Whether this white body is one of those, I guess, is still to be determined.

weird book. i think its not very accurate.
where do these guys base it on? 4? so monika dannemann had 2 black strats and mitch 2 white ones? if not where are they now? and how can we tell them apart? and why did he have the neck repaired when he had 2 white ones? for all I know maybe he had 4 black ones and 4 white ones.
its a BS story afaiac.

stplsd
12-15-10, 06:18 PM
Or pink ones for that matter. Jimi played strats from lots of different years, this pink one I brought into the conversation was from 1957 and was given to Billy Gibbons.

That is if you believe Billy Gibbons;-) There is no other evidence apart from his say so.

Dolly Dagger
12-15-10, 06:21 PM
Weird, I never considered it to be the Woodstock strat, but now it does seem to be the body with all this evidence against it.

Would this be the first sighting of a whitey strat with a Maple board? I always believed Aug. '69 to be the first sights of it.

msteeln
12-15-10, 07:38 PM
weird book. i think its not very accurate.
where do these guys base it on? 4? so monika dannemann had 2 black strats and mitch 2 white ones? if not where are they now? and how can we tell them apart? and why did he have the neck repaired when he had 2 white ones? for all I know maybe he had 4 black ones and 4 white ones.
its a BS story afaiac.I've had the 2 of each theory in my head for decades, from Kramer if foggy memory serves correct, that's a first hand account. Certainly not to say that's all he had or used towards the end, but good luck verifying the minutiae of what happened or didn't to all guitars that passed thru his hands at this point, not to mention the many thefts and forgeries after.
Obviously, many questions we obsess about will never be answered as time marches on and fewer eye witnesses willing to talk survive. Kramer, Barrett, and maybe Stickles, are about all that are left of those who could say for sure. But we know he whittled it down to favored black and white Strats, and it would be thin to say that merely 1 of each was all he counted on for two years of touring and studio work.

Sharpstat
12-15-10, 07:56 PM
So is the "Woodstock Strat" the same one he used in Maui for Rainbow Bridge?fuel1

When did Mitch receive the Strat in question?

johanincr
12-15-10, 11:55 PM
So is the "Woodstock Strat" the same one he used in Maui for Rainbow Bridge?fuel1

When did Mitch receive the Strat in question?

If he had only the 1 White Strat thats very likely. But we have this story of him getting 2 White and 2 Black ones sometime in 1968. So we'll somehow need to prove or disprove this.

Time for a chronologic photostudy of the ciggy-burnmarks on the white and black strat(s?), as far as i'm concernedcoffee1

No idea when Mitch got it or where it was on 18.9.70.

(What if we find there WERE 2 white ones and the 'Woodstock' guitar isnt the 'Woodstock' guitar but the other white one is?!!!cry1)

johanincr
12-16-10, 12:24 AM
here it is brand new, and this is the same White Strat you see Jimi with from early November '68 onwards.
Including RAH, Newport, Woodstock, BOG, Atlanta, Maui, IOW, Fehmarn.

i think there was only 1, and havent seen anything to disprove it...:docd:...that, or i've forgotten about itraft1

univibs
12-16-10, 02:38 AM
here it is brand new, and this is the same White Strat you see Jimi with from early November '68 onwards.
Including RAH, Newport, Woodstock, BOG, Atlanta, Maui, IOW, Fehmarn.

i think there was only 1, and havent seen anything to disprove it...:docd:...that, or i've forgotten about itraft1

2 whites and 2 blacks ?!, no, that's not acceptable. don't believe every book you read.
if he had 2 blacks who has the same amazing sound then why Jimi was in a rush to save his one black guitar out of Monica's hotel ?!coffee1

soccertackle14
12-16-10, 03:16 AM
Gonna have to agree. I think it makes more sense that there was only one of each of these Excaliburs. Maybe thats just what i want to be true because its just so cool to begin with, but I think its practical to believe he had two choices. His white strat to brighten the day of thousands or the black beauty that tore people down to their souls!

Vibratory
12-16-10, 04:55 AM
show pictures where jimi's extra 68 maple guitars are standing onstage behind him. and how is it that when he broke a string eric runs onstage with the opposite color guitar?
why not bring the 'other' white one when jimi broke a string on the white one and vice versa.
this is not a case of "i-guess-we-will-never-know".
studying cig burn marks while they were constantly adding and changing patterns on 4 strats? good luck to the man:)

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 10:12 AM
2 whites and 2 blacks ?!, no, that's not acceptable. don't believe every book you read.
if he had 2 blacks who has the same amazing sound then why Jimi was in a rush to save his one black guitar out of Monica's hotel ?!coffee1

Exactly, He definitely ONLY had ONE Black Strat and most certainly ONE White Strat.

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 10:14 AM
I already didpopcorn1

also provided links to where this strat expert info can be obtained.


I know :) I meant if anyone wanted to expand anymore.

Dolly Dagger
12-16-10, 10:36 AM
It's not impossible, but he definitely did not take them on the road if he did. Either they were Studio guitars that he kept at Electric Lady, or he just gave them away as gifts (which he obviously loved doing). Those two famous ones are just the road guitars, whether he had a favoring to one of them is your guess. I could understand the favoring to the Flying Angel V, as it was a custom Left-Handed gift from Gibson.

johanincr
12-16-10, 10:38 AM
show pictures where jimi's extra 68 maple guitars are standing onstage behind him.

oh dearpanic1

Vibratory
12-16-10, 11:29 AM
oh dearpanic1

ok now we are getting somewhere.
good things these pics are superhi-res:)
you can see the rosewood:) and also at philly.

Didnt Jimi have a olympic-white-large-peghead-transition-logo-rosewood strat?(thats quite a mouthfull) It can be that one.


Those two famous ones are just the road guitars
All speculation. Maybe he had 16? And gave some away and left one at key-locations for jamming and recording maybe....we can go on and on.
There is no evidence to support more than 2.

Dont think its likely he left strats in studios as he hired studio time unless they had lockers? lol now we are no longer trainspotting but fantasizing, no pun:)hooters1drool1
By the time Electric Lady opened these strats were no longer produced so where were they all this time? By 69 the strats were already different so he could not have bought them later. The window for buying this particular type of strat is really narrow. (we can research how narrow precisely).

...........

We are still stuck with 2 68 maple slabnecks.

johanincr
12-16-10, 12:11 PM
ok now we are getting somewhere.
good things these pics are superhi-res:)
you can see the rosewood:) and also at philly.


You are likely correct. There is a White strat with rosewood fingerboard being played at Hawaii'69. Thats probably the one.

We cant be sure or rule out the possibility the Newport guitar is the Woodstock strat with a different neck, right?

Dolly Dagger
12-16-10, 12:36 PM
Maybe he had 16? And gave some away and left one at key-locations for jamming and recording maybe....we can go on and on.

http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/000966.html

We'll never know. I was surprised to see he owned a lefty-strat like the link above. The number of strats he had is probably endless, but.. hooters1

Vibratory
12-16-10, 01:10 PM
http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/000966.html

We'll never know. I was surprised to see he owned a lefty-strat like the link above. The number of strats he had is probably endless, but.. hooters1

lol that banana looks so tempting to eat.

I see what you mean. But it comes down to looking at evidence other then saying anything could have happened. maybe jimi was a hermaphrodite..we will never know. we can claim anything followed with that phrase.

ive seen tons of jimi pics in my life as im sure you have. theres not that many different guitars. so saying the strats he owned are endless is an overstatement. what is endless however is the geezers claiming to have a jimi guitar. like the billy gibbons one.my guess is jimi held that guitar for the picture pose. it was theirs all along. why would jimi buy a pink second hand guitar? maybe we should ask a ZZ top afficionado, we could see, pictures of the band b4 the jimi pose, them actually using a pink 57 strat. lol that would be hilarious and embarrassing for gibbons. there is always a way to know something.



We cant be sure or rule out the possibility the Newport guitar is the Woodstock strat with a different neck, right? im trying to find hi-res pictures of the guitar on display to look at the damage. it is most likely the woodstock body but not definitively.

i have the picture somewhere ill post it.

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 01:48 PM
. why would jimi buy a pink second hand guitar? maybe we should ask a ZZ top afficionado, we could see, pictures of the band b4 the jimi pose, them actually using a pink 57 strat. lol that would be hilarious and embarrassing for gibbons. there is always a way to know something.

Well Jimi played it and then said pink aint no colour to burn or something or other.

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 01:49 PM
It's not impossible, but he definitely did not take them on the road if he did. Either they were Studio guitars that he kept at Electric Lady, or he just gave them away as gifts (which he obviously loved doing). Those two famous ones are just the road guitars, whether he had a favoring to one of them is your guess. I could understand the favoring to the Flying Angel V, as it was a custom Left-Handed gift from Gibson.

Didn't he custom build it? :)

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 01:50 PM
http://www.modernguitars.com/archives/000966.html

We'll never know. I was surprised to see he owned a lefty-strat like the link above. The number of strats he had is probably endless, but.. hooters1

I honestly think he just had one black and one white.

Ironic, notice how the lefty is strung backwards?

Sharpstat
12-16-10, 03:28 PM
Didn't he custom build it? :)

I read many years ago that Gibson presented it as a gift to him in 1970.That V has always been special.

Sharpstat
12-16-10, 03:35 PM
I honestly think he just had one black and one white.

Ironic, notice how the lefty is strung backwards?

Some right handed player using it now? Honestly I'm left handed and I've played a left handed Strat which is supposed to feel natural and comfortable and also my 65 Strat that's a right handed body stung upside down ala Jimi.Believe it or not I prefer the the sound playing the right handed guitar body. It feels better due to the natural curved body section being away from me for some reason.

Dolly Dagger
12-16-10, 03:38 PM
It was a gift from Gibson, along with other models such as the ES-335. They've testified to giving him numerous models, I just can't remember where I read it. Gibson probably thought, "This famous pop star is using our main competitor, let's sway him to Gibson, that'll just kill Fender won't it?" fuel1 fire1 dead1

Sharpstat
12-16-10, 03:47 PM
It was a gift from Gibson, along with other models such as the ES-335. They've testified to giving him numerous models, I just can't remember where I read it. Gibson probably thought, "This famous pop star is using our main competitor, let's sway him to Gibson, that'll just kill Fender won't it?" fuel1 fire1 dead1


I also remembered it was obviously in one of the guitar magazines.Not sure but think it was an interview with the CEO of Gibson wasn't it? Commerating some anniversary of theirs when he mentioned it.Getting older sucks sometimes.rolleyes1

Gypsy Eyes
12-16-10, 04:06 PM
Some right handed player using it now? Honestly I'm left handed and I've played a left handed Strat which is supposed to feel natural and comfortable and also my 65 Strat that's a right handed body stung upside down ala Jimi.Believe it or not I prefer the the sound playing the right handed guitar body. It feels better due to the natural curved body section being away from me for some reason.

That's what I thought man :)

Yeah, I play guitar left handed too, on upside down strats, I know how it feels :) COol man.

Gypsy Eyes
12-18-10, 05:31 AM
For whoever was looking for something similar to this

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9058/hendrixavatar.jpg

thefrenchowl
12-18-10, 07:59 AM
Bigger JPG of that scan, published mid 67 in french magazine:

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc1.jpg

Patrick

stplsd
12-18-10, 08:21 AM
Well Jimi played it and then said pink aint no colour to burn or something or other.

There is no evidence apart from billy gibbons claim that Hendrix had a pink strat.

stplsd
12-18-10, 08:23 AM
Some right handed player using it now? Honestly I'm left handed and I've played a left handed Strat which is supposed to feel natural and comfortable and also my 65 Strat that's a right handed body stung upside down ala Jimi.Believe it or not I prefer the the sound playing the right handed guitar body. It feels better due to the natural curved body section being away from me for some reason.

My daughter is left handed and plays a right handed strat right handed because she plays guitar right handed, she says it just felt more natural to her.

Gypsy Eyes
12-18-10, 09:57 AM
Bigger JPG of that scan, published mid 67 in french magazine:

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc1.jpg

Patrick

Thankyou very much, someone just scaled it so they could use it as their avatar.

Sharpstat
12-18-10, 10:13 AM
My daughter is left handed and plays a right handed strat right handed because she plays guitar right handed, she says it just felt more natural to her.

Cool! Funny how what works sometimes.What works for one person doesn't for the next person.It really does come down to "feeling".

univibs
12-18-10, 10:22 AM
For whoever was looking for something similar to this

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9058/hendrixavatar.jpg


http://www.wtv-zone.com/ruexperienced/gallery/RedStrat.jpg

the last one has black buttons and no split sign, IMO it could be a different guitar from to one smashed at the Saville .

univibs
12-18-10, 10:25 AM
You are likely correct. There is a White strat with rosewood fingerboard being played at Hawaii'69.

pictures ?panic1

johanincr
12-18-10, 11:16 AM
pictures ?panic1
no, only 8mm footage.......not on CTT though, sorry!catfight1
(dont shoot the messenger!)

(screenshot below)

univibs
12-18-10, 11:28 AM
no, only 8mm footage.......not on CTT though, sorry!catfight1
(dont shoot the messenger!)

(screenshot below)

Beutiful, Rare !

do you have a link for this clip ?

johanincr
12-18-10, 11:41 AM
Beutiful, Rare !

do you have a link for this clip ?
No sorry, i dont.
The person who filmed that for some reason doesnt want it circulated, maybe had plans to sell it, but i dont know the exact situation. Maybe someone here does, or maybe the filmer himself is here?!

Dolly Dagger
12-18-10, 12:02 PM
No sorry, i dont.
The person who filmed that for some reason doesnt want it circulated, maybe had plans to sell it, but i dont know the exact situation. Maybe someone here does, or maybe the filmer himself is here?!

I just cried a little bit. sad1

tunnel1

stplsd
12-18-10, 12:21 PM
http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc1.jpg

the last one has black buttons and no split sign, IMO it could be a different guitar from to one smashed at the Saville .

It could be be, depends when the photo was taken? The control knobs could easily have been replaced.

Gypsy Eyes
12-18-10, 12:28 PM
That's the same strat, the hell with the knobs, look at the chips on the bottom of both bodies.

Also, whichever photo comes first, the only white, original knob on the guitar in the first photo is infact the only one missing in the second photo. Odd..

Edit: obviously the photo with black knobs is first because there is no split at this time.

univibs
12-18-10, 02:26 PM
That's the same strat, the hell with the knobs, look at the chips on the bottom of both bodies.

Also, whichever photo comes first, the only white, original knob on the guitar in the first photo is infact the only one missing in the second photo. Odd..

I hope someone is making a good laugh about us now somewhere ..

seriously, I don't know, it might be the same guitar but then again this black knobs thing.. the heck with it.

msteeln
12-18-10, 02:50 PM
that's the same strat, the hell with the knobs, look at the chips on the bottom of both bodies.bingo!

Gypsy Eyes
12-18-10, 03:12 PM
I hope someone is making a good laugh about us now somewhere ..

seriously, I don't know, it might be the same guitar but then again this black knobs thing.. the heck with it.

It's gotta be the same strat :)

I don't get the knobs either, I always stupidly thought it was a photo-shop jobby, having the rad colours and that. Seriously, forget that I said that, it is most certainly not a photo-shop. Just an odd case. We should find the date. We know the Kiel photo is later, because a split is present, which is May 27th 1967. What I don't understand is, it has the black knobs earlier on and is then replaced back to normal with the only white knob that was on it earlier, missing! I hope you understand me. :)

Gypsy Eyes
12-18-10, 03:22 PM
It could be be, depends when the photo was taken? The control knobs could easily have been replaced.
May 27th 1967, the other one must be earlier on because the strat don't have a whacking great crack in it! :)

stplsd
12-19-10, 08:12 AM
May 27th 1967, the other one must be earlier on because the strat don't have a whacking great crack in it! :)

I don't believe we have a date for the photo with the 2 black control knobs, that's what I was meaning (I picked the wrong photo). I was inferring that it may be earlier, due to it not appearing to be cracked. It has been suggested that this photo was taken in France, if so, it (w/black knobs) could well have been taken on the 4-5th March, or 11 May, ie before it was cracked?

purple jim
12-19-10, 08:22 AM
Couldn't an administrator splice out all this Saville Strat banter and create a new subject with it, specifically about this guitar,

Gypsy Eyes
12-19-10, 08:35 AM
Couldn't an administrator splice out all this Saville Strat banter and create a new subject with it, specifically about this guitar,

+1, we kinda dropped the Telostrat after I said about maple neck strats, sorry about that.


I don't believe we have a date for the photo with the 2 black control knobs, that's what I was meaning (I picked the wrong photo). I was inferring that it may be earlier, due to it not appearing to be cracked. It has been suggested that this photo was taken in France, if so, it (w/black knobs) could well have been taken on the 4-5th March, or 11 May, ie before it was cracked?

I completely agree with that. :)

thefrenchowl
12-19-10, 11:10 AM
Red Stat again, the above photo I've originnally scanned. It's from a french magazine, but I did not as usual put name and date, so tough luck... To me, organ behind, it's a posed shot in a studio or club...

I scanned a few others as well. These 2 pages from "Salut Les Copains", #60, July 67) shows more shots of that probably same red Strat and at least one on the same shoot:

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc60july671.jpg

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc60july672.jpg

Patrick

Gypsy Eyes
12-19-10, 11:14 AM
Red Stat again, the above photo I've originnally scanned. It's from a french magazine, but I did not as usual put name and date, so tough luck... To me, organ behind, it's a posed shot in a studio or club...

I scanned a few others as well. These 2 pages from "Salut Les Copains", #60, July 67) shows more shots of that probably same red Strat and at least one on the same shoot:

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc60july671.jpg

http://www.harleykrxlrtt.com/images/slc60july672.jpg

Patrick

Thanks alot for the scan you sent me :)

Thankyou!!!

Interesting, is that photo shoot from July, you say? The split photo is from may, odd.

thefrenchowl
12-19-10, 11:25 AM
Hi, Gypsy Eyes,

Us French were a bit behind sometimes, could be a syndicated article translated a bit later, who knows. July is the date the mag went out!!!...

I've checked the original french forum where I posted all that 1st, a reply told me the scan with the black controls and organ is from the same mag, same date...

Patrick

thefrenchowl
12-19-10, 11:36 AM
Another photo of same shoot, cover of SLC Hebdo, 1970:

http://nsm02.casimages.com/img/2009/07/28//090728091113769374152735.jpg

Not my scans... Patrick

Gypsy Eyes
12-19-10, 11:38 AM
Thanks for these. Very interesting, we're definitely getting somewhere!!

univibs
12-19-10, 03:15 PM
+1, we kinda dropped the Telostrat after I said about maple neck strats, sorry about that.



I completely agree with that. :)

so if it's the same guitar, everything fall into place , he went on a tour to France had this 59 maple neck Strat with two black knobs(probably a replacement for the original white knobs who fell down sometime before) and one original white knob on the lower tone got a few photos for a magazine(who published the photos only in July), went to a show and abuse that guitar so hard that two buttons fell out and in addition he cracked the Guitar's body maybe by throwing it on the floor, later on he went to Sweden, took out the white button out of it's original place and put it where he need it most, in the middle tone button. and from there we know what happened to that 59 maple Stratocaster, more or less ...

what is interesting now is when he bought that guitar..

Gypsy Eyes
12-19-10, 03:34 PM
Yeah, I'd like to know where it came from/how he got it

Vibratory
12-19-10, 06:20 PM
best ones i could find.
there is damage there as on the telestrat.

Vibratory
01-02-11, 09:47 PM
to revive some old cows.

Ive seen a hi-res picture of the Woodstock strat in the book:
'Fender Stratocaster Chronicles'
It has a special on the '68 strat with a close up picture of the Woodstock strat. Now hear this:

On the Telestrat at Newport Pop the body had two black scratch-marks and in this book the Woodstock strat had the same ones on the same spot.
Now somehow we must get this picture here in the forum. Maybe someone has this book? Its beyond doubt now. The Newport telestrat was the Woodstock strat with a temporary teleneck fitted. The picture seems pretty old probably from the Mitch days.

teletubbyneckstratpost1

Dolly Dagger
01-02-11, 10:02 PM
^ Another story in the long line of stories that strat would tell if it could talk. :wave:

soccertackle14
01-03-11, 12:33 AM
Nice job Mr. Holmes! Good detective work. Yes, a great story to be heard I am sure..probably including a very upset lead guitarist and a shunned roadie!

purple jim
01-03-11, 01:45 AM
On the Telestrat at Newport Pop the body had two black scratch-marks and in this book the Woodstock strat had the same ones on the same spot.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8017/wood1.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/wood1.jpg/)

Note so sure. The black marks on the Newport Strat/Tele are not on the Woodstock Strat. However, they could have been scrubbed off of course when the guitar was refitted.

univibs
01-03-11, 01:53 AM
a great story to be heard I am sure..probably including a very upset lead guitarist and a shunned roadie!

the big story now is what had happened to the black strat during those days of 69, if something happened to the white Strat's neck , I'm sure if there was a choice then Jimi would have chosen the black Strat as his first and only choice, and if this last story is true then why he didn't pick up his black Strat in Newport?

actually I can't remember any photos of the black one from June 1969 to December 1969.

univibs
01-03-11, 01:58 AM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8017/wood1.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/wood1.jpg/)

Note so sure. The black marks on the Newport Strat/Tele are not on the Woodstock Strat. However, they could have been scrubbed off of course when the guitar was refitted.


then maybe it's not Woodstock Strat after all, maybe this one:
http://crosstowntorrents.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5128&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1292692941

but we'll need more photos to be sure.

johanincr
01-03-11, 06:34 AM
'Fender Stratocaster Chronicles'
It has a special on the '68 strat with a close up picture of the Woodstock strat. Now hear this:

On the Telestrat at Newport Pop the body had two black scratch-marks and in this book the Woodstock strat had the same ones on the same spot.
Now somehow we must get this picture here in the forum. Maybe someone has this book?

From Google Books:

pic (http://books.google.nl/books?id=za1MQ9gITagC&pg=PA210&img=1&zoom=3&hl=nl&sig=ACfU3U2W0Fv-9qmWRUXQ89oo30vW8P6dSw&w=685)

purple jim
01-03-11, 07:53 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/412a4_woods.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

Same cigarette burns. Therefore the Newport Strat/Tele is not the Woodstock Strat.

johanincr
01-03-11, 08:05 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/412a4_woods.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

Same cigarette burns. Therefore the Newport Strat/Tele is not the Woodstock Strat.

Doesnt prove a thing.
It could be the neck was just refretted, couldnt it?

stplsd
01-03-11, 08:05 AM
Same cigarette burns. Therefore the Newport Strat/Tele is not the Woodstock Strat.

It's got a different neck:-)

Gypsy Eyes
01-03-11, 08:13 AM
Really good work everyone! I know for a fact that both strats (Telostrat and Woodstock) had 5 springs in the rear. Most, and I mean pretty much every of Jimi's later strats did.

I never thought it was the woodstock guitar. At Fehmarn also, the guitar nearing the end of it's days, can be seen with a grey mark on the bottom (top for Jimi) in the middle of the curve in the front of the body contour. And from numerous pics after his death, like the EMP exhibit pics, the guitar has a few grey scratches on the elbow contour. I first noticed the grey mark however at Maui.

I honestly don't think it's the Woodstock strat, Jimi's favourite was of course the Black one, now how come that didn't get a proovable refret if he in theory played it more? Maybe it did, but for a guitar reviewer to get it wrong...

You just need to ask the EMP if it has the original frets. Len Jones of Uni-Vibes said that the Black Beauty looked like it had the original frets although hardly any wear was present.

And I mean, Jimi had had the Black and White strats for just under a year (for Woodstock) why would it need a refret after that amount of time? Maybe it did, again...

msteeln
01-03-11, 02:07 PM
When did Mitch take the Woodstock Strat from Jimi? I've always thot it to have been prior to the very last gigs.

johanincr
01-03-11, 02:11 PM
When did Mitch take the Woodstock Strat from Jimi? I've always thot it to have been prior to the very last gigs.

Jimi can be seen playing it at Fehmarn and all of the other Euro-70 shows though.

pederpropell
01-03-11, 05:49 PM
Jimi can be seen playing it at Fehmarn and all of the other Euro-70 shows though.


Yeah...and Mitch told the press back in the days (1990 or so as I recall) that Jimi gave it to him after Woodstock? In exchange for an old drumkit or something.. Yes, for sure¨'

What about the entire JHE live PA system (after 6/9/70?). The PA, amps, guitars and so on.. Didn`t Mitch handled that "business" as well? (selling off slowly..)


PP

Sharpstat
01-04-11, 01:31 AM
Yeah...and Mitch told the press back in the days (1990 or so as I recall) that Jimi gave it to him after Woodstock? In exchange for an old drumkit or something.. Yes, for sure¨'

What about the entire JHE live PA system (after 6/9/70?). The PA, amps, guitars and so on.. Didn`t Mitch handled that "business" as well? (selling off slowly..)


PP

Not just Mitch.A few of the roadies sold stuff to get paid money owed to them.Univibes has a a few issues regarding Jimi's amps and where they ended up after he died.

univibs
01-06-11, 02:29 AM
I've asked Mike Eldred, CEO of Fender Custom Shop department, about the Woodstock strat.
you can see my question here:

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=48696

Mike was the one who disassemble the Woodstock Strat few years ago and was examine it from every side of it.

he replaied:

"Didn't look like it had been switched, but you never know. Stock frets."

I think by this, it concludes our subject.

IMO after we were introduced by the Hawaii 69 show white Rosewood Strat it come to thinking that it might be that guitar who was used for the Tele neck.
but to make it a fact we will need more close up pics.

Gypsy Eyes
01-24-11, 11:37 AM
I've asked Mike Eldred, CEO of Fender Custom Shop department, about the Woodstock strat.
you can see my question here:

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=48696

Mike was the one who disassemble the Woodstock Strat few years ago and was examine it from every side of it.

he replaied:

"Didn't look like it had been switched, but you never know. Stock frets."

I think by this, it concludes our subject.

IMO after we were introduced by the Hawaii 69 show white Rosewood Strat it come to thinking that it might be that guitar who was used for the Tele neck.
but to make it a fact we will need more close up pics.


Let's get to work on the Hawaii strat :wave: :D

nasticanasta
05-18-11, 08:39 AM
Anyone who thinks that a Tele neck won't drop into a Strat body is out of their mind, I've been playing one for over 30 years...
My Beloved Baby, a 72 Tele Custom Maple neck on an late 70's Strat body I bought in 82 full EMG's original S1's they don't even make those anymore, Sperzel locking tuners, I set up the floating trem, this guitar never ever goes out of tune. I put this together almost 30 years ago...it's a dream to play. Hope ya like it!
http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z329/nasticanasta/untitled1.jpg

purple jim
05-18-11, 09:27 AM
Love it! :)

stplsd
05-18-11, 12:03 PM
Anyone who thinks that a Tele neck won't drop into a Strat body is out of their mind, I've been playing one for over 30 years...


Exactly! but Jimi only ended up with it once, due to? (just like his roady said - read it) whatever. He obviously loved the standard strat (latest model - he wasn't a Brit, snob, antique guitar fan) as he made clear - he made f'all modifications (as he said) apart from his? Eric Barrett? taking the cover off the tremelo springs, as he [so we are told by "experts"] liked to strum them, for the occasional effect (which he never appears to do on-stage, but has been "divined," by "experts" at live gigs). Quite possibly the main reason for the missing (sometimes) plate had something to do with his extensive in concert use of the whammy bar? - NO?) .
All these tech twats ("I'm such a connoisseur - I play guitar (after a fashion) (so I must know) are bullshitters, "oh, I'm so sensitive I can hear the difference from a mape neck to a rosewood - through a hardly discernable audience tape - gimme a - Jimi/n - English f'in break!

Desperate fans of the Telecaster wanting to be included? well, whatever, you never know - Noel said?

Gypsy Eyes
05-18-11, 12:28 PM
They do actually usually leave a small gap between the neck heel and body, but mostly playable nonetheless :-)

stplsd
05-18-11, 12:33 PM
^
This (quite seemingly unnoticed) "problem" (at the time) was, as we all can see & hear, overcome,

Gypsy Eyes
05-18-11, 12:39 PM
I think it's great. I really dig that pic.

nasticanasta
05-21-11, 12:51 AM
yes there is a slight small gap due to the fact that Tele necks are flat on the end and Strat necks are rounded, it still seats perfectly. Original frets still on this....very low too, my tech says it may have one more dressing left. I always read the trem plate was removed for feedback. As for trem springs, I abuse my trems too, I never had problems with springs.. granted I'm not tearing it up like Jimi was, but the springs on mine are all original. Having set-up many trems of all kinds...even tricky Ibanez Edge III's I have never encountered problems with springs and I always preferred the 3 springs evenly spaced, floating..always floating

karsten
09-01-12, 09:36 AM
Are these photo's prior to Newport?
Could be this guitar was turned into the Newport hybrid with Jimi's preference for maple neck. Not many pics of him playing rosewoods in 1969..

buffalorattle
09-01-12, 04:26 PM
Are these photo's prior to Newport?
Could be this guitar was turned into the Newport hybrid with Jimi's preference for maple neck. Not many pics of him playing rosewoods in 1969..

Im pretty sure these photos were taken at the Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House Hotel, June 8th 69 by Jerry Hopkins during an interview for Rolling Stone magazine ( July 12th issue) so your theory could be correct

univibs
09-02-12, 01:11 AM
Are these photo's prior to Newport?
Could be this guitar was turned into the Newport hybrid with Jimi's preference for maple neck. Not many pics of him playing rosewoods in 1969..

Looks like those pics were taken not long before Woodstock or shortly after

stplsd
09-02-12, 08:39 AM
Im pretty sure these photos were taken at the Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House Hotel, June 8th 69 by Jerry Hopkins during an interview for Rolling Stone magazine ( July 12th issue) so your theory could be correct

Could be, but I have seen other photos of this room captioned 'Jimi's apartment New York' and 'shokan'?

kees1954
09-02-12, 09:07 AM
Could be, but I have seen other photos of this room captioned 'Jimi's apartment New York' and 'shokan'?

Don't think so: these photos were taken bij Jerry himself. You can find them in his book Hit And Run (if I remember the title correctly).

Mysticbumwipe
09-03-12, 09:33 AM
Doesn't Buster look a lot like his Dad in this pic...
http://crosstowntorrents.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15897&stc=1&d=1346510259

Ezy Rider
09-03-12, 10:09 AM
When staying at the Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House Hotel he just returned from Hawaii with very good vibes in his bones. At the hotel he penned Message to Love and Valleys of Neptune, he might be even playing one of those songs in the pictures. You can see how relaxed and happy he is. Where is a pic of Jimi where he is actually happy and laughing?

But again, his Toronto court hearing was just days away, and his happiness, if not a kind of escapism, would soon go away, culminating in the disaster performance at Newport.

What stories a photograph can tell . . .

zombywoof57
09-03-12, 10:52 AM
Im pretty sure these photos were taken at the Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House Hotel, June 8th 69 by Jerry Hopkins during an interview for Rolling Stone magazine ( July 12th issue) so your theory could be correct
these photos are in fact from Beverly Rodeo

Sharpstat
09-03-12, 06:54 PM
Doesn't Buster look a lot like his Dad in this pic...
http://crosstowntorrents.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15897&stc=1&d=1346510259


Yes he does. If like most children he most likely inherited some of his dad's habits including facial expressions. I remember shaking his Dad's hand in Hollywood at the Hollywood star dedication and he had big hands for a small man.

stplsd
09-04-12, 01:09 AM
You can see how relaxed and happy he is.

It's just a photo, a split second in time. That's just you projecting your sentimental feelings onto a photo, "very good vibes in his bones," indeed! He might have been crying his eyes out after the camera had left for all you know, you weren't there, you're not inside his head. You never heard that song "Tears Of A Clown"? Because someone is frowning, grimacing or grinning or whatever for a split second in a photograph it doesn't mean anything on it's own. You can use that photo to illustrate a point, but that's not the same as it being a neccessarily truthfull portrayall of that persons feelings at that time.


at the hotel he penned Message to Love and Valleys of Neptune

There are photos of him writing stuff in Hawaii, I think, can't remember off hand which songs, was it these? If not photographed writing at some particular known place in time, or otherwise testified he may have written them at any time, it's just headed notepaper, he may have written them earlier on scrappy paper/with many edits etc. and copied them out clearer/on this better paper, at some point. He may have taken a sheaf with him and penned these and others much later, he seldom dated his handwritten pieces and they are therefore difficult to date with any accuracy.


Where is a pic of Jimi where he is actually happy and laughing?
In these two photos he looks glum in one and appears to be grinning (which can mean anything) in the other.

There are loads of photos and film of him smiling and chuckling, (not sure about a proper belly laugh) especially on stage, he was noted for having a great sense of humour.


What stories a photograph can tell.

You got it the wrong way round, the story is what you choose to hang on the picture. Unless of course there are indicators aside from just an expression, eg a child that's been burnt with white phosphorous is probably not laughing, or grinning with amusement.

Ezy Rider
09-04-12, 02:59 AM
^

STPLSD, my dear friend, who cares what you think if my feelings are correct or not? How do you know by the way that what you call 'fact' (which are simply some deductions in your mind based on your assumptions you believe are 'true') is true. Maybe 'sentimental' emotions and 'logical' thoughts are just the same, just a bunch of chemical reactions in our brains. I keep to mine, you please keep to yours. Thank you.

I know it is useless but I will say it nonetheless, try to imagine other people's feelings, a whole new world might open up for you!

And just as a starter and to refresh the mind, below is my post in another thread on the Beverly Rodeo House:

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I did a little searching on the date of the Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House (in Beverly Hills) when this picture could have been taken (although theoretically a later date could be possible too), and found out that it should have been between 2 and 18 June 1969. On 2 June Hendrix returned from playing the Waikiki Shell in Honolulu on 29 or 30 May (and/or 1 June?) 1969 (http://www.univibes.com/Jimi_Plays_Hawaii1969.html) and on the 18th flew from Los Angeles to Toronto for the preliminary court hearing the 19th, returning again to Los Angeles to play a miserable Newport Festival show on the 20th and a much better jam show on the 22nd.

In these two weeks, Hendrix is known to have written two songs, all on Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House stationary (the only time he stayed there). One is Valleys of Neptunes (dated 7 June 1969, http://www.jimihendrix.com/us/encycl...1969-6&cat=438 (http://www.jimihendrix.com/us/encyclopedia#month=1969-6&cat=438)) and the other is Power of Soul (http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=...endrix&f=false (http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=XuWuxgTDcHwC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Beverly+Rodeo+Hyatt+House+jimi+Hendrix&source=bl&ots=pbNDxjs1Zo&sig=xRUIPmFLRHimO06mmj0Y65NWDp0&hl=zh-CN&ei=jDPjTp71EOeYiAemxoy2BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CGEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Beverly%20Rodeo%20Hyatt%20House%20jimi%20Hendrix&f=false))

Trawling through the immense database of transcripts at JPIO I located the VON transcript, but not the POS one. I wonder where that author got it from, or has seen it (because I want to see it too!)

On Beverley Rodeo Hyatt House, Los Angeles, stationery :

P.I.

Valleys of Neptune... Arising —

June
7, 1969

1.

I feel the ocean swaying me,
wash away all my pains.
See where I use to be wounded…
Remember the scar ?
Now you can’t see a thing.
Ab A Bb
And I don’t feel no pain - -

Yea : Singing about the Valley of Sunsets
Green and Blue <strike>Mercury</strike> Canyons too
Singing about <strike>the Ocean</strike> <strike>Mother</strike>t <strike>Lover</strike>
Atlantis love songs.
The Valleys of Neptune is-a-Rising –

2.

Mercury liquid Emerald shining -
Telling me, where I came from
Honey Sun ...
Tourquise Bed, he lays in ...
On the Burning - Edge Horizon.

P.II.

I’m sailing on…
the Blue Bird’s mission ...
<strike>Silo </strike>[?] <strike>Frizzy</strike> Bubble and curls <strike>her</strike> and tiptoes in the foam –
See the wind make love to all the ocean ...
<strike>Chain reaction</strike> of Joy spread
and the message got home

Chorus)
Singing bout the Valley of the Sunsets ...
Purple and gold, home of the armies of the Lord
Singing about <strike>long ago</strike> Ancient Egyptian Moon trips ...
The Valleys of Neptune is-a-rising- -

3.

Look out East coast, but you’re
gonna have a neighbor,
<strike>land</strike> <strike>rais</strike> A rebirth land,
the Praying Burning Sands.

P.III.

We know there were…
other continents
So much older —
And they shall rise, and tell us
much more the truth of man —

4.

I see visions of sleeping peaks erupting ...
releasing all hell that will <strike>cha</strike> shake
the Earth from end to end —
And this ain’t bad news, good news, or any news ...
it s just the truth, Better save.
your souls while you can —

Chorus
Singing about the new Valleys of the Sunrise
Rainbow clean, the world is gonna be
Singing about getting ready for the New <strike>Lands</strike> TIDES
The Valleys of Neptune is-a-rising.

The lyrics in the picture, sheet two behind the *ad, it also reads "ocean" and "Neptune," and the lyrics may be an earlier try outs of VON or something related. There is possibly also another (or similar) picture of lyrics written on the same stationary, reading "forget my name . . ." (printed in Electric Gypsy p. 316 http://www.me.umn.edu/~kgeisler/egpil.html (http://www.me.umn.edu/%7Ekgeisler/egpil.html))

Because Hendrix just returned from Hawaii, I wonder if the inspiration for this lyrics with so many references to an "ocean swaying me", bubbles, foam, "Honey Sun ... Tourquise Bed, he lays in ... On the Burning - Edge Horizon" is somehow related to his experiences on Hawaii (even though oceans and Atlantis is a fixture in many of his songs, eg. AYE, 1983, and Atlantis is not in the Pacific Ocean). This time the lyrics are much more graphic and visual, at least.

One other interesting thing is that VON and POS are both very upbeat almost salvational songs, and that during an interview in Honolulu, a few days before he penned down the lyrics for those songs, Hendrix said: ""'I attribute my success to God,' Hendrix...said before the show. [']I go by message. It all comes from God. I'm really a messenger of God.'" (see the univibes link above. In that same interview, he further said that people should "forget his name"). On the other hand, one wonders if this has nothing to do, in some way or another, with the pending trial in Toronto . . .

Lastly, I also found this rather curious reference, that Hendrix played with Billy in his hotel room and recorded three out takes of Izabella and a jam, ten minutes in total. It however says it is from 1 June 1969. I couldn't find any references at CTT or EH to these recordings and they may be from another day? Does anyone know these recordings?


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4. instrumental jam (a.k.a. distorsion blues)
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And to be very complete, Hendrix also did an interview at the hotel with Nancy Carter on 15 June 1969 (http://jpio.weebly.com/from-stage-69.html)

15 June 1969
Los Angeles, Beverley Rodeo Hyatt House, Beverley Hills, California

Interview by Nancy Carter:
NC: If you had the chance to communicate one general idea to the American public what
would it be?
JH : Hmm, I guess it would be, eh, understanding and communication between the eh,
different age brackets. Which, there’s no such thing about age brackets anyway, not in my mind, ‘cause a person’s not actually old in numbers of years, but how many miles he’s travelled, you know, how he keeps his mind active and creative, an’ I guess that’ll be one general idea. There’s millions of them though. I can go on
NC: Most people wouldn’t even answered that one, don’t feel bad he-heh-heh.
JH : Hmm
NC: Ah, number two. When you uh-lyah. When you’re before a large audience and start to
play, how do you feel inside, when’s-what sensations do you feel, if any?
JH : Well, I really feel like ah, tch, I don’ know, I really feel like turning people on, you
know, quite naturally, ahm - It’s okay – At least entertainment, without bein’ false about it, you know, without bein’ a sort of official clown, or whatever-huh you want to call it, I don’ know. And-uh, like, if they don’t respond, well then I’ll just play for myself, you know, and for the one’s that will listen. If they do respond, well then this gives me more energy to work out, you know, it’s a nother way of communication and tryin’ to make harmony amongst the people enjoyin’ what we’re tryin’ to get across, you know, harmony’s part of the first one too anyway
NC: Okay...tch. If you were not getting the desired response from an audience, when
you’re on stage, what do you do, what would be your reaction to such a situation if this ever happened. Now, I’ve never seen it happen to yourself, I haven’t
JH : Yeah, well…
NC: Have there even been times when you felt you weren’t getting the desired response?
JH : Yeah, well, I have an imagination, you know, and I feel that maybe they’re not ah,
they might not be ready for that particular thing there, they might be coming to a concert as critics, you know. Instead of as people, you know, wanting to get into some entertainment, and then from then on they can build it more, but like, if there’s no response at all it doesn’t bother me too much at all. I just wish we’d played a little more music, you know. See, you know, that’s, that’s just the way I think, I think in no negative terms at all, ‘cause it takes up a whole lot of space in your mind, you know, and some people only use one tenth of their brain capacity anyway, and so-uh, you know, there’s so much more room to think other good ways, you know, and try to turn them on regardless. Its just like a hospital when a patient might be kickin’, your head doesn’t want a operation, an’ he knows, good an’ well, you know, might be good for him in the long run, but he’s scared and he’s kickin’ around In the bed and the nurses are tryin’ to strap him down. Well, I’m the nurses, you know, tryin’ to get him together and tryin’ to prove to him that this is right.
NC: What is your own personal philosophy of music, what effect do you want it to have on
your…
JH : Hmph
NC: …your audience?
JH : Well, tch, let’s see. Personal philosophy? Well, my personal one is just, that’s uhm,
part of my life, you know, it’s just a part of me, music itself. And-uh, the effect I‘d like to have for it on the audience? Is maybe in a hu’-hypnotic state, if not a-a wakening state, you know, so therefore that’s why we don’t preach, neccessarily violence, unless it’s a certain incidence in a song. It should have some kind of solution, you know, at the end… of the song, every song that we give out to the people, you know. ‘Cause it’s all, it’s almost all philosophy - our music is - most of it is… in a very hazy form, because it’s still, it’s still-ah, progressing, it’s just like a little baby, it hasn’t even reached the-um, stage - that I’d call - for it to walk by itself, you know
NC: Okay. In your opinion what is the best possible, or desirable of situation to bring this
response about?
JH : Hmm
NC: These are very leading questions, I’ve not studied them. Do you think…
JH : Well, yeah. Well, sometimes when there’s a lot of, you know, there’s a lot of riots and
so forth, that’s still gonna happen in the States, you know, and anywhere else for that matter, so therefore when, in the hottest parts of the country they should alow these groups to play in a outdoor way, you know, it sounds, that sounds suicidal, but it’s not at all, matter of fact it’s the best way to do anything, is to bring-well, only special groups though, certain groups, because there’s a lot of groups that are tryin’ to-eh, like I said before, keep harmony amongst people, so they either give them good-time music or loud music, so they can release their frustrations and so forth, standin’ right next, you know, like black and white standin’ next to each other with hammers gettin’ ready to hit each other, and this music has a way, it’s a universal language anyway, and if it was respected properly it would have a way to-uh, reach these people at the same time, and like-uh, it’s-it’s a thing, like, I think it should be brought outside, almost like the evangelists, you know, a gathering like that. The other music should stay in clubs an’, you know. All the pretentious people in the, in the music, well, they should stay in their pretentious bag, like for instance in clubs, and cabarets and all that. Let’s see there’s a lot o’ elderly people want to know about what’s happenin’ in the new music today too, they wanna know why people play so loud, you know, an’ they wanna know this and wanna know that. Well, it’s the best thing for them to do is come and hear certain groups, there’s only certain groups that are tryin’ to get across a harmony message anyway [telephone starts ringing] … and we’re one of ‘em
NC: Oh nice
JH : [Jimi answers phone] I’m sorry. Hello, hello. Who is it? Tell him to stop, stop it [the
tape recorder] ‘Keep out, this is Earl’ [whispered]
NC: All right, do you just take it off?
JH : Yeah, take it off and then down’s here. Oh, no, I’ll just take it off

Drugs, Rock & Roll and religion

NC: I can see, won’t hurt it. Okay. Now, what social implications do you feel that rock
music has brought to your generation?
JH : Hmm. Well, I think probably the, it was good-time music at first, like I said before, like,
with Little Richard, Chuck Berry, an’, ah Jerry Lee Lewis an’, you know, you can go on down the line - Elvis Presley and so forth. But then, like-uh, there’s a lot of drugs that’s dipped into it from some effect that… rock musicians think different than other people, they live different than other people, so therefore they have different releases than other people. It’s up to them themselves not to make it into a excape [sic] and some of this has seeped in through there. And I think some of the people that were on drugs, some of the regular people, you know, well, like-uh, like I say some of the music seeped in, some of the-uh, you know, the drug scene seeped in through the music, and so therefore they-they felt it was a little better to-uh, do these-uh, things, you know, like, goin’ into LSD or what have you, you know, ha-ha
NC: Heh
JH : And so, but, like, it’s settling down properly, and-nd the whole idea in the first place
for all these drugs, and all their music, and all the hang-ups is because the, like everybody wants to be a, their own identification some way for ‘em, you know, and some people couldn’t find this intransigent-‘em, talk to their parents, or the so-called other generationen, you know, because they have a way of-uh, over protecting their people at, so much as to where they put them in boxes, you know, and they put themselves in boxes, and that’s not a right way of living, because younger people, their minds are a little more keener and they can figure this out, so therefore since they can’t get release and respect from the older people, well, then they go into these other things, and their music gets louder, and it gets rebellious because they’re starting to form a religion, you know, and-uh, ‘cause you’re not going to find it in church, a lot of kids, you know, don’t find nothin’ in church. I remember when I was, I got thrown out of church because I had the improper clothes on, I had tennis shoes and a suit, and they said ‘”Well, that’s not proper.” “So we don’t have no money to get anything else,” so I just got thrown out of church anyway, an’ it’s nothing but a institution, so you’re not gonna find nothing there. And-uh, so then it moves on to tryin’ to find yourself, you know, an’ so therefore you see somebody look maybe kind of freaky, or playin’ very radical, regardless if it’s good or bad, you know, and then quite naturally.they, they take up to this person, or these people. It’s up to the people to preach the proper thing to them through the music.

Politics and music

NC: What do feel has been your contribution to social change and the attitudes of young
people that have been attributed to your music. Now this is you personally
JH : I think, I think-uh, well, like I say, I-I never consider myself even started yet, you know,
that’s for everybody else to say that “You made it,” and all this. I don’t consider I’ve made it, but I do see, you know, um, tch, influences and all that, an’-an’ it seems to me that… it’s jus’ what I said before, it’s just they’re tryin’ to find their own identification through us, sometimes, you know, which is not bad because we don’t preach violence, or aggression, this is a very good thing to have around. It’s better than politics, you know. They look up to us, s-sometimes, quicker than they will look up to what the president says, you know, and-uh. You know, well, like, clothes and so forth, some people just want to wear these clothes, but that’s not harmful at all, that’s just a person, you know, he’s, been doin’ his own thing with his clothes and so forth. There’s so many things that people just get misunderstood. We’re tryin’ to get across communication with the old and young, an’ I think some of them are, or finally understanding that part of it, and plus, we try to get across laziness on anybody’s part, regardless if they’re old or young and that, that takes a few more, say a few more songs, an’ a few more gigs to get that across, really strong enough, because, like-uh, I used to see a lot of people just sit around, get stoned, and not really, all they do is protest, and not really, really try to do anything about it, you know, I say, “Well, listen you could be a dishwasher until you finally get yourself together,” they say, ”Yeah, but, you know, ohh-uhh,” an’ all this. They don’t wanna know about that, you know, so I know where the trouble is. A lot of it’s laziness. So then I work towards, you know, so then I experience different things, I go through the hangup myself, and then what I find out I write to other people, because it has nothing to do with agression, or nothing like that anyway. ‘Cause that’s just nothing but taking two steps back, you know. And the, the other people have to-uh realise this too, or else they’re gonn be fightin’ for the rest of their lives… you know

Jimi on education and Summerhill school

NC: I used to teach high school drop-outs heh-heh
JH : Yeah, well s’…
NC: I used to teach, ahm, people who were foreigners getting their citizenship papers
too...
JH : Yeah, well, I was a high school drop-out…
NC: …English to foreign speaking students, so they could go to school
JH : I was a, glad I was a high school drop-out, for the simple fact that I think kids, starting
from kindergarten should, every two years should have a big annual te’-you know, a big test. Say in English they have…
NC: Are you, are you fro’, you’re from, ah, Seattle I thought?
JH : Yeah, but-uh, what does that have to do with school though, huh?
NC: Ah-heh-heh
JH : I’m talking about school
NC: No, well, I’m talking, well, regionals was what I was thinking of, thinking of New York,
you know, where you, to get out of the eighth grade you, they have a state board examination oh-an’ if you don’t pass it, you know, you’re supposed to learn so much
JH : No. No. Well, just see, that’s silly, that’s rules an’ all that
NC: Isn’t that a drag, I know it ha-ha
JH : It should be, it should be, like, every two years they should have a test sayin’ wha’,
you know, about twenty pa’-pieces of paper, doin’ exactly what they wanna do on that piece of paper, and sayin’ what they wanna say, and they should have people, you know, this, the teachers that don’t wanna teach for the rest of their lives, well they start, they can progress too into other things. So they’ll be the instructors to this certain thing that happens every two years, an’ then a kid could go to school when he’s eleven years old. I mean he can go to college, or a special school, by the time he’s eleven
NC: They do have them, they do have them
JH : Yeah, well, they should have them all over the place, they always. That’s one thing
about the old generation, they always go in between, that’s the hang-up, that’s a drag, that’s bein…
NC: Have you ever heard of a school, of the same-uh type of school, it’s called
Summerhill?
JH : Yeah, I heard of Summerhill, but that’s not all over the States though
NC: They do have them, they have about six of them in southern California…
JH : Well…
NC: …of course it isn’t enough, but…
JH : …yeah, for the benefit of even the teachers, that get tired of just teaching the second
grade for the rest of their lives, for instance
NC: I know
JH : They could re’-they could progress, just like it, kids do
NC: I know, I can go back to any of the schools that I go to, and find people that I, that
taught me when I was a little kid…
JH : Yeah
NC: …and they still do it bad. I mean it’s depressing heh-heh
JH : Right, well, that’s being, that’s bein’ in a compartment. That’s not really-uh, offering
them…

Jimi’s into classical rock

NC: Well, tch. Okay, tch. Any.. What in your opinion is the future of pop music?
JH : Well, I don’t like the word “pop” in the first place, so…
NC: Well. Okay. Rock
JH : All it means to me is “pilgrimage of peace”
NC: Okay. Well, we’ll get down. Okay. What do you think the sound of the future will be
then?
JH : Well, I don’ know, I’m not even a critic, you know. I can just only go by what I want, on
my own s’-side. I-I’d like to get into the s’, more of the symphonic things, so then kids can respect their old music-traditional, you know, like classics. I’d like to mix that in with, um, you know, with so-called rock today. But it’s always changing according to the attitude of the people, you know. When the air is re’, static, loud and aggressive, that’s how the music gets. When the air starts gettin’ peaceful, an’, an’ harmonic, and so forth, that’s how the music will get. So it’s up to the people how it’s gonna be, but it all, music is gonna be here regardless if it’s rock, or whatever it, you know. An’ it’s gonna inf’-eh, it’s gonna influence a whole lot of people’s minds now, because – like I said before – that’s part of their church now, you know
NC: Oh, well, music is considered extremely emotional an’ it’s supposed to rid the
individual of frustration, that’s what they say
JH : Yeah, if people le-let it, instead of …
NC: Aye, it does! …
JH : …ye’, ins’…
NC: …it’s marvellous!
JH : … yeah, instead of tryin’ t’…
NC: I can tell you that from my own experience. Like…
JH : Mmm
NC: …if I’m really up-tight, an’ I’m tense an’ everything…
JH : Yeah
NC: I can go up to somewhere like the Whiskey [A Go-Go] and really enjoy myself
JH : Yeah, or either listen to, um, eh, Andy Williams, or something, you know, he’s very
relaxing, for instance, you know
NC: I like very heavy music
JH : You do?
NC: Particularly like yours heh-heh
JH : Oh, well, that’s great… [in his silly Groucho voice:] ‘Come with me and we’ll go places’
NC: Now I’ve followed your career for a long time ha-ha, heh-heh
JH : That’s good

Jimi’s opinon of the hippie community of Sunset Strip

NC: Okay, tch. Since many authorities feel that the Sunset Strip, the Sunset Strip to be, or
has been one of the prime innovators of the present reaction of youth against the establishment. What is your attitude toward the Strip and it’s people? What do you think Sunset Strip stands for in relation to the rock movement?
JH : I think it stands for, like a excape valve, or a place to run away, they. Some people
don’t like to live up in the hills, you know, that’s just like being Herman Hesse an’ that’s just runnin’ away from something, so they still hold a piece of the city, and they consider
Sunset Strip o’-of the sort. What do you call it? It’s a place to let loose, or something like that, and the people might as well own up to this, or well, you know, they might as well face up to this. It’s not actually a thing against the establishment, it’s not that at all, you know. Because a lot of the kids down there find out they’re part of the establishment, you know. It’s nothin’ but, it’s –uh, you know, a lot of ‘em are lazy down there. A lot of ‘em are groovy, you know, but the groovy ones don’t preach as hard as the lazy ones do, and so therefore it’s a big mess, but clean it up, running kids away from that, is not gonna help anything, you know. You might just as well just let it stay there and depend on the music to straighten it out, and then give the music some kind of respect, ah, respect as to where it can do these things, you know. ‘Cause police, the more you send police anywhere, the more trouble you’re gonna have, because some people haven’t reached the point of thinkin’ as to where retaliation is not the right, you know, move, especially in agression so therefore you have to keep the pigs out. And then you find out that it turns out to be a very groovy place. Some people tried to make something in Peoples Park*, the same thing’s gonna happen to the Sunset Strip, with the right people there, and with the right music produced upon it, you know. People don’t realise that music has so much to do with what’s happening today, you know, and you’re not goinna to stop the music hah. When I say you though, I mean, you know, whoever is listening through the microphone there, [in a silly voice:] ‘I can see you’ heh-heh
NC: Now, you know, I mean, if you put a microphone between you and somebody, there is
an automatic different world, you know…
JH : Well
NC: …that if I was just sitting on the couch talking to you
JH : Yeah
NC: I realise this then heh-heh

*Peoples Park in Berkeley, on the 6 May at least 128 demonstrators and bystanders were treated for serious injury, some innocent bystanders were permanently crippled, one was blinded and one a student
James Rector was killed. They had been subject to a brutal and cowardly attack involving much shooting, by Police unleashed by Ronald Reagan. 19 police were treated for minor injuries non were hospitlized

Ciros, the Byrds and Little Richard

JH : Well, like, probably, you know, if they wanna know about the, the truth about it, the
best thing to do is to listen to the music, and listen to ours, you don’t have to buy it,
you can listen to ha-ha it, uh
NC: Listen, I’ve seen you thousands of times, you know heh-heh
JH : Did you
NC: I’ve been on the Strip since it started. The Byrds, you know heh-heh
JH : Yeah? Oh, I remember the Byrds, yeah I was over in Ciro’s
NC: I saw the Byrds at Ciro’s
JH : Yeah, same here
NC: I used to go every week heh-heh
JH : I was with the Little Richard
NC: I ha’…
JH : Did you see Little Richard then?
NC: …I’ve seen Little Richard for years, back in 1955
JH : Yeah
NC: I graduated from Torrance High School
JH : Great.
NC: Heh-heh
JH : Did you see Little Richard at Ciro’s?
NC: I saw him there
JH : Yeah, I was playin’…
NC: [Just talks over the top of Jimi] I’d say used to see him all the time
JH : I was playin’ guitar then, yeah
NC: All right. Listen, all the people, when I went to high school the only music you listened
to…
JH : Yeah
NC: … was the music that was presented by Hunter Hancock…
JH : Oh, I know what you mean
NC: …and Huggy Boy
JH : Ha-ha-ha
NC: …and it was all black music
JH : Yeah, I imagine you
NC: And I just love it
JH : That’s great
NC: And all the old people that I used to really tho’-think were just groovy and out of sight
are all coming back ha-ha-ha
JH : Uh, yeah. Well, it’s so funny because even some coloured people l-look at my music
and say, “Is that white or black?” I said, “What do you want?” eh, you know, “What are you tryin’ to dissect that for? Try to go by the feeling of it” Just because it’s loud
NC: Yeah, it’s …? let me tell you
JH : Yeah
NC: It’s great
JH : All those are things that we have to wa’-wipe away from the face of the Earth, before it
can live in harmony
NC: Before I me’, before I heard of you though, I did, I met Randy California who told me
about you
JH : Oh, yeah. Right. That’s my friend, him and I used to have a group in ‘The Village’
NC: Yeah, I know. I saw him up in… I tried to get him a job ha-ha-ha
JH : Yeah
NC: He was with-uh… before the Spirit started
JH : Mhmm
NC: And-uh, he was telling me about you, tlk, okay
JH : Hmm. That’s good

Jimi meets Chas

NC: I guess that’s enough of that. Now here comes one you may not like, I don’t know
what your reasons were, I’m curious. Although you were born and raised in America, what prompticed you to establish yourself in England, as opposed to America? After all it’s no secret the prime source of income for you as well as other English musicians is America, not England
JH: Yeah, well, it was managers. You know, I was down ‘The Village, it was right before I
quit this R&B group, you know, ‘cause I said, “Well, come on down ‘The Village’ so we can-uh, um, get something together,” you know, on our own stance, not playin’ behind another person that we was playin’ behind. And they were lazy, they were scared, and, plus, they w’, they didn’t think they-they was gonna get paid. I said, “Well, quite naturally you won’t get paid on audition,” you know, because, like, it’s us an’, you know, goin’ down there um, bein’ a grest, you know, it’s, it’s us goin’-do’, filtering down ha-ha to them, you know. So there’s a few things you have to give up the beginning, they didn’t wanna do that, so I just went down there and played, got Randy California together and formed this group called the, um, Blue Flame, and-uh, s’-ah. Have you heard them Animals? Well the managers of the Animals. You know the Animals were in town, one time, doin’ their last gig at Central Park, doin’ their last group, uh-gig as a group, and the bass player of the Animals Chas Chandler and Mike Jefferies asked would I like to come to England, and I’d never been to England before, that’s the only reason, ‘cause I’d never been. So I went over there, ‘cause that’s the way I just live my life. I’d never been to Indianapolis, so I starved my way over there, and starved ha-ha there. I’d never been to, you know, Memphis, so I jus’ starved my way down there. It just happened to happen over there, so. And plus, I could play louder over there, I could really get myself together over there. There wasn’t so many hang-ups as there was in America, you know mental hang-ups, an’ you know, an’ things like that
NC: That’s good. Okay. What are you’re plans for the future an’ the new Experience?
JH : Well, we’re gonna make our music into a new religion, which it already is anyway,
only soli[di]fy, you know, to that, an’ really… I’d like for us to play outside more, you know… an’…
NC: Now, I understand you’re gonna lose, ah, Noel, as far as I know.
JH : Yeah, well, that’s not losing Noel, that’s not, that’s not a..
NC: I know, he’s got his own thing
JH : Yeah, well s’, because we all have our own thing too. Plus I want to get more into an
earthier type of music, you know
NC: I saw you play with Billy your, ah
JH : New bass player
NC: Your new bass player. Are you gonna keep Mitch?
JH : Well, if he wants to come along, yeah. I’ll keep anybody that wants to come along,
long as they’re gonna be contributing to the cause. I’ll keep anything necessary, a-an’ it’s all gonna be strictly necessary for the cause
NC: Okay. Is there any other thing an’, anything else you’d like to say?
JH : Yeah
NC: That I didn’t, did you think I covered?
JH : Yeah, well it’s good. I’m so glad that people are lookin’ on our music little more than
just a, the aver’, you know, a little more than just a fad, an’ I’m, I feel really respected to do something like this, because
NC: Hey it, listen, I got news for you the educators know it isn’t a fad, they thought it was,
in fact they thought that people with long hair and the Strip and everything was going to be something that blew over
JH : Yeah
NC: And it grew and they no longer even accept it as a sub-culture, they accept as
something that is going to definitely have a change upon the whole society, eh…
JH : That’s a good st’…
NC: This is the way educators really…
JH : Yeah
NC: …I mean people who…
JH : Yeah
NC: …are, uh, you know, thinking up here, heh-heh…
JH : Mhmm
NC: Not
JH : Yeah, I know what you mean
NC: We got the other kind too, you know
JH : Yeah, I know what you, I can dig you
NC: Fifty years ago, you know
NC: Not-heh-heh, no…
JH : Heh-okay
NC: …don’t confuse me with…
JH : Yeah
NC: … the facts my mind’s..
JH : I’m not
NC: …already made up type
JH : Oh, yeah, Why’d you say that? You-you know, I’m not confusing you. Well, that’s,
that’s a step, that’s a step for the good, y-you know. That’s a step for good in it’s own right, because, like, at least they are acceptin’ that these people are runnin’ ‘round, you know. And, not runnin’ ‘round, but I mean the’-these, that many people there to make that much effect. It’s just best for them that-ah… Let those people’s fault, you know, those peoples leaders, you know, those people like the S’-Strip’s, let their leaders straighten ‘em out. That’s the best way to do it, an’ then harmony will comfort, you know, for everything, an’ for everybody, an’ then progress can, could be made properly again, you know. Do you realise they have a laser beam that you could put inside satellites that’ll circle the World an’ it’ll stop from any rockets in the whole World bein’, ah, let off, in anywhere in the World?
But, no, they don’t wanna hear about these new ideas, they wanna hear about the old ones like, “Spend up all this money on gettin’ a big missile system,” you know, that’s just one of the things that, um… I’m gonna try an’ put the …? on the top
NC: Yeah, they also say that all the money, the money, they took the money that they
spent on defence for two years…
JH : Mhmm
NC: …and put it in medicine, medical research…
JH : Mmm
NC: …that they could cure every possible known disease to man
JH : tch, Well how come they won’t do those things?
NC: They don’t do it heh-heh
JH : Okay, well, there you go it’s…
NC: Listen, I have friends who are doctors, you know, bitch, come heh-heh, They said
there’s no money, an’ this is the only reason disease is not cured
JH : Well, that’s what they do, they choke their own selves. They get so greedy with the
money, that they don’t want to give it up, you know
NC: Yeah
JH : That’s silly that’s just nothin’ but a drug, just like anything else. Matter of fact it’s one
of the worst drugs. That’s why I’m just glad I just smoke, smoke…
NC: Well, this is cancer or anything, if there’s just enough money…
JH : Ha-ha-ha
NC: …were put into it, they would be able to afford, ‘cause they’ve got the brain power… JH : Oh, definitely
NC: …they just frequently starve
JH : I know. Well, that’s…
NC: …they starve people to death that are educators and researchers, they could do the
work for ‘em, you know
JH : tch, It’s silly
NC: They don’t give ‘em enough money to do it
Jh : Well, all this is part of…
NC: It’s not because teach’, I’m screaming because teachers…
JH : No. no
NC: … y’know, don’t get any money
JH : Yeah
NC: That’s not true, it’s medical research and stuff like this…
JH : I can dig that
NC: …stuff like what you are talking about
JH : I can dig that
NC: It’s really a sha’… Of course they’re afraid to cure disease completely, you know,
you’ve got to have, you…
JH : Yeah
NC: The Earth would…
JH : Well then the…
NC: …become over populated, I guess
JH : No, no they’ve got ways of…
NC: They’ve got a half baked…
JH : … straighten that out
NC: …feel this way, I’m an historian
JH : Mm
NC: They have these theories, well they aren’t theories, but they, ah…
JH : They should legalise abortion
NC: … feel that this is a natural thing and-uh, they’re just like-um, they worry about the birth rate and they worry about, they feel that war is a good thing, that it’s-uh, because it does, uh…
JH : Oh, no…
NC: …kill off a number of people…
JH : …there’s other ways…
NC: …which is a drag, I don’t believe that
JH : …there’s other ways you can settle things, there’s other ways how you can live.
That’s so se’-block minded, that’s all part of their evolution. See, evolution is, of the man, is changin’ the brain, so quite naturally you’re gonna have hang-ups here and there, of thought, you know, but still the-the whole past is goin’ towards a higher way of thinking, you know, towards a clearer way of thinking, but there are still some hard-heads, just like you’re talkin’ about, that think this way because they don’t give theirselves a chance to develop in the brain, or let their souls develop, or their emotions, you know. That’s what we’re tryin’ to stop from other people, in regardless of how old you are, regardless of what age thing, you always have to have, you always have to have that release period, that other side of you, you know, the creative side, regardless of what your gig might be and pretty soon your job’s gonna start to be, ah, not play, but it’s gonna start to be more enjoyable too, and therefore in, plus, you know, all this over population, well this-this is a modern age and they do have pills for this and pills fo that, ‘cause let’s make sure those pills are proper, because some of those pills make people sick, you know, you know, you get a after e’, something, after effect, and some of these girls get very sick tryin’ not to have babies, and, we’-you know, who says that it’s written that, that people are supposed to, ah, you know, that it’s a sin to, what they call, “kill off a child” or somethin’ like that, a child isn’t a child until he comes out into the air, I don’t think so. The rest of, you know, they have to ha’-think in a, in a higher range of thinking, a lot o’ young people are, an’ they’re gonna, they’re gonna get it together. Because all these, a lot o’ these old people, all they’re tryin’ to do, they wanna make themselves old, so they tie up their brains like this, you know, an’ then they, in the process they try to build their own heavens, they wanna be written down in war history, they wanna be written down in money history, you know, all these things, an’ those things are nothin’ but jokes, you know, in the next few years they’re gonna all be jokes, an’ those people are gonna be jokes. They’re the ones, some of ‘em should be put in cages now, to be looked at, because they’re getting’ very gettin’ vey rare, you know

karsten
09-04-12, 08:17 AM
hijack1

stplsd
09-04-12, 12:54 PM
Hendrix is known to have written two songs, all on Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House stationary

Not "known" - assumed. VON possibly as he, unusually, went to the trouble of dating it. He wrote down lots of other, undated, stuff on Beverley Hyatt notepaper including complete lyrics to Machine Gun almost identical to that recorded on the BOG LP, so almost certainly written down after the recording, same with POS. The recording sessions for MG and POS also show that he did not compose these lyrics in Beverley Hyatt but a considerable time later.

Meanwhile someone put a tele neck on a strat. . .

johanincr
12-16-12, 11:37 AM
Thanks to the guys at the French forum i found this photo.
Thats our Tele-Strat again.......
Photo appears to be from June 1969.....
In June69 there were only the June1st Hawaii show, the June 20-22 Newport appearances and the Denver 29June show.
Jimi's clothes dont match any of those......

Are we looking at a photo from a club jam we havent heard about? I'm starting to think thats the case.


(edit: Thanks Relliott! - June 16th or June 17th, 1969 from Thee Experience, a club in LA during a jam with Blues Image)18602