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Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:16 AM
Part 1


Chapter seven from the book: "The Covert War Against Rock", Published by Feral House, 2000

"I don't believe for one minute that he killed himself. That was out of the question."
— Chas Chandler, Hendrix Producer

"I believe the circumstances surrounding his death are suspicious and I think he was murdered."
— Ed Chalpin, Proprietor of Studio 76

"I feel he was murdered, frankly. Somebody gave him something. Somebody gave him something they shouldn't have."
— John McLaughlin, Guitarist, Mahavishnu Orchestra

He didn't die from a drug overdose. He was not an out-of-control dope fiend. Jimi Hendrix was not a junkie. And anyone who would use his death as a warning to stay away from drugs should warn people against the other things that killed Jimi—the stresses of dealing with the music industry, the craziness of being on the road, and especially, the dangers of involving oneself in a radical, or even unpopular, political movements. COINTELPRO was out to do more than prevent a Communist menace from overtaking the United States, or keep the Black Power movement from burning down cities. COINTELPRO was out to obliterate its opposition and ruin the reputations of the people involved in the antiwar movement, the civil rights movement, and the rock revolution. Whenever Jimi Hendrix's death is blamed on drugs, it accomplishes the goals of the FBI's program. It not only slanders Jimi's personal and professional reputation, but the entire rock revolution in the 60's.
—John Holmstrom. "Who Killed Jimi?"(1)

As the music of youth and resistance fell under the cross-hairs of the CIA's CHAOS war, it was probable that Jimi Hendrix—the tripping, peacenik "Black Elvis" of the '60s—should find himself a target.

Agents of the pathologically nationalistic FBI opened a file on Hendrix in 1969 after his appearance at several benefits for "subversive" causes. His most cutting insult to the state was participation in a concert for Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, Tom Hayden, Bobby Seale and the other defendants of the Chicago Seven conspiracy trial,(2) "Get [the] Black Panthers," he told a reporter for a teen magazine, "not to kill anybody, but to scare [federal officials]....I know it sounds like war, but that's what's gonna have to happen. It has to be a war....You come back to reality and there are some evil folks around and they want you to be passive and weak and peaceful so that they can just overtake you like jelly on bread....You have to fight fire with fire."(3)

On tour in Liesburg, Sweden, Hendrix was interviewed by Tommy Rander, a reporter for the Gotesborgs-Tidningen. " In the USA, you have to decide which side you're on," Hendrix explained. "You are either a rebel or like Frank Sinatra."(4)

In 1979, college students at the campus newspaper of Santa Barbara University (USB) filed for release of FBI files on Hendrix. Six heavily inked-out pages were released to the student reporters. (The deletions nixed information "currently and properly classified pursuant to Executive Order 11652, in the interest of national defense of foreign policy.") On appeal, seven more pages were reluctantly turned over to the UCSB students. The file revealed that Hendrix had been placed on the federal "Security Index," a list of "subversives" to be rounded up and placed in detainment camps in the event of a national emergency.

If the intelligence agencies had their reasons to keep tabs on Hendrix, they couldn't have picked a better man for the job than Hendrix's manager, Mike Jeffrey. Jeffrey, by his own admission an intelligence agent,(5) was born in South London in 1933, the sole child of postal workers. He completed his education in 1949, took a job as a clerk for Mobil Oil, was drafted to the National Service two years later. Jeffrey's scores in science took him to the Educational Corps. He signed on as a professional soldier, joined the Intelligence Corps and at this point his career enters an obscure phase.

Hendrix biographers Shapiro & Glebeek report that Jeffrey often boasted of "undercover work against the Russians, of murder, mayhem and torture in foreign cities....His father says Mike rarely spoke about what he did—itself perhaps indicative of the sensitive nature of his work—but confirms that much of Mike's military career was spent in 'civvies,' that he was stationed in Egypt and that he could speak Russian."(6)

There was, however, another, equally intriguing side of Mike Jeffrey: He frequently hinted that he had powerful underworld connections. It was common knowledge that he had had an abiding professional relationship with Steve Weiss, the attorney for both the Hendrix Experience and the Mafia-managed Vanilla Fudge, hailing from the law firm of Seingarten, Wedeen & Weiss. On one occasion, when drummer Mitch Mitchell found himself in a fix with police over a boat he'd rented and wrecked, mobsters from the Fudge management office intervened and pried him loose.(7)

Organized crime has had fingers in the recording industry since the jukebox wars. Mafioso Michael Franzene testified in open court in the late 1980s that "Sonny" Franzene, his stepfather, was a silent investor in Buddah Records. At this industry oddity, the inane, nasal, apolitical '60s "Bubblegum" song was blown from the goo of adolescent mating fantasies. The most popular of Buddah's acts were the 1910 Fruitgum Company and Ohio Express. These bands shared a lead singer, Joey Levine. Some cultural contributions from the Buddha label: "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy," "Simon Says," and "1-2-3 Red Light."

In 1971, Buddha Records' Bobby Bloom was killed in a shooting sometimes described as "accidental," sometimes "suicide," at the age of 28. Bloom made a number of solo records, including "Love Don't Let Me Down," and "Count On Me." He formed a partnership with composer Jeff Barry and they wrote songs for the Monkees in their late period. Bloom made the Top 10 with the effervescent "Montego Bay" in 1970. Other Mafia-managed acts of the late 1960s were equally apolitical: Vanilla Fudge ("You Keep Me Hangin' On," "Bang, Bang"),(9) Motown's Gladys Knight and the Pips, and Curtis Mayfield.(10) In the '60s and beyond, organized crime wrenched unto itself control of industry workers via the Teamsters Union. Trucking was Mob controlled. So were stadium concessions. No rock bands toured unless money exchanged hands to see that a band's instruments weren't delivered to the wrong airport.(11)

Intelligence agent or representative of the mob? Whether Jeffrey was either or both—and the evidence is clear that a CIA/Mafia combination has exercised considerable influence in the music industry for decades—at a certain point, Hendrix must have seen something that made him desperately want out of his management contract with Jeffrey.

Monika Dannemann, Hendrix's fiancé at the time of his death, describes Mike Jeffrey's control tactics, his attempts to isolate and manipulate Hendrix, with observations of his evolving awareness that Jeffrey was a covert operator bent on dominating his life and mind:

Jimi felt more and more unsafe in New York, the city where he used to feel so much at home. It had begun to serve as a prison to him, and a place where he had to watch his back all the time.

In May 1969 Jimi was arrested at Toronto for possession of drugs. He later told me he believed Jeffrey had used a third person to plant the drugs on him—as a warning, to teach him a lesson.

Jeffrey had realized not only that Jimi was looking for ways of breaking out of their contract, but also that Jimi might have calculated that the Toronto arrest would be an easy way to silence Jimi.... Jeffrey did not like Jimi to have friends who would put ideas in his dead and give him strength. He preferred Jimi to be more isolated, or to mix with certain people whom Jeffrey could use to influence and try to manipulate him.

So in New York, Jimi felt at times that he was under surveillance, and others around him noticed the same. He tried desperately to get out of his management contract, and asked several people for advice on the best way to do it. Jimi started to understand the people around him could not be trusted, as things he had told them in confidence now filtered through to Jeffrey. Obviously some people informed his manager of Jimi's plans, possibly having been bought or promised advantages by Jeffrey. Jimi had always been a trusting and open person, but now he had reason to become suspicious of people he didn't know well, becoming quite secretive and keeping very much to himself.(12)

Five years after the death of the virtuoso, Crawdaddy reported that friends of Hendrix felt "he was very unhappy and confused before his death. Buddy Miles recalled 'numerous times he complained about his managers." His chief roadie, Gerry Stickells, told Welch, "he became frustrated...by a lot of people around him."(13)

Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:17 AM
Part 2


Hendrix was obsessed with the troubles that Jeffrey and company brought to his life and career. The band's finances were entirely controlled by management and were depleted by a tax haven in the Bahamas founded in 1965 by Michael Jeffrey called Yameta Co., a subsidiary of the Bank of New Providence, with accounts at the Naussau branch of the Bank of Nova Scotia and the Chemical Bank in New York.(14) A substantial share of the band's earnings had been quietly drained by Yameta. The banks where Jeffrey opened accounts have been officially charged with the laundering of drug proceeds, a universal theme of CIA/Mafia activity. (The Chemical Bank was forced to plead guilty to 445 misdemeanors in 1980 when a federal investigation found that bank officials had failed to report transactions they knew to derive from drug trafficking.(15) The Bank of Nova Scotia was a key investor in the Bank of Commerce and Credit International, BCCI, once described by Time magazine as "the most pervasive money-laundering operation and financial supermarket ever create," with ties to the upper echelons of several governments, the CIA, the Pentagon and the Vatican.(16)

BCCI maintained warm relationships with international terrorists, and investigators turned up accounts for Libya, Syria and the PLO at BCCI's London branch, recalling Mike Jeffrey's military intelligence interest in the Middle East. And then there were bank records from Panama City relating to General Noriega. These "disappeared'' en route to the District of Columbia under heavy DEA guard. An internal investigation later, DEA officials admitted they were at a loss to explain the theft.(17)

Friends of Hendrix, according to Electric Gypsy, confiscated financial documents from his New York office and turned them over to Jimi: "One showed that what was supposed to be a $10,000 gig was in fact grossing $50,000."

"Jimi Hendrix was upset that large amounts of his money were missing," reports rock historian R. Gary Patterson. Hendrix had discovered the financial diversions and took legal action to recover them.(18)

But there was another factor also involving funds.

Some of Hendrix's friends have concluded that "Jeffrey stood to make a greater sum of money from a dead Jimi Hendrix than a living one. There was also mention of a one million dollar insurance policy covering Hendrix's life made out with Jeffrey as the beneficiary." The manager of the Experience constructed "a financial empire based on the posthumous releases of Hendrix's previously unreleased recordings."(19) Crushing musical voices of dissent was proving to be an immensely profitable enterprise because a dead rocker leaves behind a fortune in publishing rights and royalties.

Roadies couldn't help but notice that Mike Jeffrey, a seasoned military intelligence officer, was capable of "subtle acts of sabotage against them," reports Shapiro. Jeffrey booked the Experience for a concert tour with the Monkees and Hendrix was forced to cancel when the agony of playing to hordes of 12-year-old children, and fear of a parental backlash, convinced him to bail out.

As for the arrest in Toronto, Hendrix confidantes blame Jeffrey for the planted heroin. The charges were dropped after Hendrix argued that the unopened container of dope had been dropped into his travel bag upon departure by a girl who claimed that it was cold medicine.(20)

In July, 1970, one month before his death, at precisely the time Hendrix stopped all communications with Jeffrey, he told Chuck Wein, a film director at Andy Warhol's Factory: "The next time I go to Seattle will be in a pine box."(21)

And he knew who would drop him in it. Producer Alan Douglas recalls that Hendrix "had a hang-up about the word
'manager.'" The guitarist had pled with Douglas, the proprietor of his own jazz label, to handle the band's business affairs. One of the most popular musicians in the world was desperate. He appealed to a dozen business contacts to handle his bookings and finances, to no avail.(22)

Meanwhile, the sabotage continued in every possible form. Douglas: "Regardless of whatever else Jimi wanted to do, Mike would keep pulling him back or pushing him back....And the way the gigs were routed! I mean, one nighters—he would do Ontario one night, Miami the next night, California the next night. He used to waste [Hendrix] on a tour—and never make too much money because the expenses were ridiculous."(23)

The obits were a jumbled lot of skewed, contradictory eulogies: "DRUGS KILL JIMI HENDRIX AT 24," "ROCK STAR IS DEAD IN LONDON AT 27," "OVERDOSE." Many of the obituaries dwelt on the "wild man of rock" image, but there were also many personal commentaries from reporters who followed his career closely, and they dismissed as hype reports of chronic drug abuse. Mike Ledgerwood, a writer for Disc and Music Echo, offered a portrait that the closest friends of Jimi Hendrix confirm: "Despite his fame and fortune—plus the inevitable hang-ups and hustles which beset his incredible career—he remained a quiet and almost timid individual. He was naturally helpful and honest." Sounds magazine "found a man of quite remarkable charm, an almost old-world courtesy."

Hendrix biographer Tony Brown has, since the mid-'70s, collected all the testimony he could find relating to Hendrix's death, and finds it "tragic" but "predictable":

"The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by inhaling his own vomit, but in the days and weeks leading up to the tragedy anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that Hendrix was heading for a terrible fall. Unfortunately, no one close to him managed to steer him clear of the maelstrom that was closing in. Brown sent a report based on his own investigation to the Attorney General's office in February, 1992, "in the hope that they would reopen the inquest into Jimi's death. The evidence was so strong that they ordered Scotland Yard detectives to conduct their own investigation." Months later, detectives at the Yard responded to Sir Nicholas Lyle at the Attorney General's office, rejecting the proposal to revive the inquest.(24)

The pathologist's report left the cause of death "open." Monika Dannemann had long insisted that Hendrix was murdered. At the time of her death, she had brought media attention to the case in a bitter and highly-publicized court battle with former Hendrix girlfriend Kathy Etchningham. On April 5, 1996, her body was discovered in a fume-filled car near her home in Seaford, Sussex, south England. Police dismissed the death as a "suicide" and the corporate press took dictation. But the Eastern Daily Press, a newspaper that circulates in the East Anglian region of the UK, raised another possibility: "Musician Uli Jon Roth, speaking at the thatched cottage where Miss Dannemann lived, said last night: 'The thing looks suspicious. She had a lot of death threats against her over the years....I always felt that she was really being crucified in front of everybody, and there was nothing anyone could do about it.' Mr Roth, formerly with the group The Scorpions, said Miss Danneman 'is not a person to do something to herself.'" Roth threw one more inconsistency on the lot: "She didn't believe in the concept of suicide."

Devon Wilson, another Hendrix paramour, in Experience drummer Mitch Mitchell's view, "died under mysterious circumstances herself a few years later."(25)

Red, Red Wine

Was Hendrix murdered while under the influence? Stanton Steele, an authority on addiction, offers a seemingly plausible explanation: "Extremely intoxicated people while asleep often lose the reflexive tendency to clear one's throat of mucus, or they may strangle in their vomit. This appeared to have happened to Jimi Hendrix, who had taken both alcohol and prescription barbiturates the night of his death."(26)

Evidence has recently come to light clarifying the cause of death—extreme alcohol consumption aggravated by the barbiturates in Hendrix's bloodstream—drowning. Hendrix is said to have choked to death after swallowing nine Vesperax sleeping tablets. This is not the lethal dose he'd have taken if suicide was the intent—he surely would have swallowed the remaining 40 or so pills in the packets Dannemann gave him if this was the idea—as Eric Burdon, the Animals' vocalist and a friend of Hendrix, has suggested over the years.

Hendrix was not felled by a drug overdose, as many news reports claimed. The pills were a sleeping aid, and not a very effective one at that. The two Vesperax that Dannemann saw him take before she fell asleep at 3 am failed to put him under. He had taken a Durophet 20 amphetamine capsule at a dinner party the evening before. And then Hendrix, a chronic insomniac with an escalated tolerance level for barbiturates, had tried the Vesperax before and they proved ineffective. He apparently believed nine tablets would do him no harm.

Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:18 AM
Part 3


At 10 am, Dannemann awoke and went out for a pack of cigarettes, according to her inquest testimony. When she returned, he was sick. She phoned Eric Bridges, a friend, and informed him that Hendrix wasn't well. "Half asleep," Bridges reported in his autobiography, "I suggested she give him hot coffee and slap his face. If she needed any more help to call me back." Dannemann called the ambulance at 18 minutes past eleven. The ambulance arrived nine minutes later. Hendrix was not, she claimed, in critical condition. She said the paramedics checked his pulse and breathing, and stated there was "nothing to worry about."

But a direct contradiction came in an interview with Reg Jones, one of the attendants, who insisted that Dannemann wasn't at the flat when they arrived, and that Hendrix was already dead. "It was horrific," Jones said. "We arrived at the flat and the door was flung wide open...."I knew he was dead as soon as I walked into the room." Ambulance attendant John Suau confirmed, "we knew it was hopeless. There was no pulse, no respiration."(27)

The testimonies of Dannemann and medical personnel at the 1970 inquest are disturbingly contradictory. Hendrix, the medical personnel stated, had been dead for at least seven hours by the time the ambulance arrived. Dr. Rufus Compson at the Department of Forensic Medicine at St. George's Medical School undertook his own investigation. He referred to the original medical examiner's report and discovered that there were rice remains in Hendrix's stomach. It takes three-four hours for the stomach to empty, he reasoned, and the deceased ate Chinese food at a dinner party hosted by Pete Cameron between the hours of 11 pm and midnight, placing the time of death no later than 4 am.(28) This is consistent with the report of Dr. Bannister, the surgical registrar, that "the inside of his mouth and mucous membranes were black because he had been dead for some time." Dr. Bannister told the London Times, "Hendrix had been dead for hours rather than minutes when he was admitted to the hospital."(29)

The inquest itself was "unusual," Tony Brown notes, because "none of the other witnesses involved were called to give their evidence, nor was any attempt made to ascertain the exact time of death," as if the subject was to be avoided. The result was that the public record on this basic fact in the case may have been incorrectly cited by scores of reporters and biographers. Tony Brown: "Even [medical examiner] Professor Teare made no attempt to ascertain the exact time of death. The inquest appeared to be conducted merely as a formality and had not been treated by the coroner as a serious investigation."(30)

In 'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky (1996), Bill Henderson describes the inquest and its aftermath: "Those who followed his death....noticed many inconsistencies in the official inquest. It has been an open and shut affair that managed to hide its racist intent behind the public perceptual hoax of Hendrix as a substance abuser....As a result, millions of people all over the world thought that Hendrix had died that typical rock star's death: drug OD amid fame, opulence, decadence. But it seems that Hendrix could very well have been the victim not of decadence, but of foul play."(31)

Forensic tests submitted at the inquest have been supplemented over the years by new evidence that makes a reconstruction of the murder possible. In October, 1991, Steve Roby, publisher of Straight Ahead, a Hendrix fanzine, asked, "What Really Happened?": "Kathy Etchingham, a close friend/lover of Jimi's, and Dee Mitchell, Mitch Mitchell's wife, spent many months tracking down former friends and associates of Hendrix, and are convinced they have solved the mystery of the final hours." Central to reconstructing Hendrix's death is red wine. Dr. Bannister reports that after the esophagus had been cleared, "masses" of red wine were "coming out of his nose and out of his mouth." The wine gushing up in great volume from Hendrix's lungs "is very vivid because you don't often see people who have drowned in their own red wine. He had something around him—whether it was a towel or a jumper—around his neck and that was saturated with red wine. His hair was matted. He was completely cold. I personally think he probably died a long time before....He was cold and he was blue."(32)

Henderson writes:

The abstract morbidity of Hendrix's body upon discovery may indicate a more complex scenario than has been commonly held. Hendrix was not a red wine guzzler, especially in the amounts found in and around his body. He was known to be moderate in his consumption. If he was 'sleeping normally,' then why was he fully clothed? And how could the ambulance attendants have missed seeing someone who was supposed to be there? The garment, or towel, around his neck is totally mysterious given the scenario so widely distributed. But it is consistent with the doctor's statement that he drowned. Was he drowned by force? In a radio interview broadcast out of Holland in the early '70s, an unnamed girlfriend answered 'yes' to the question, 'Was Hendrix killed by the Mafia?'"(33)

Tony Brown, in Hendrix: The Final Days (1997), correlates the consumption of the wine to the approximate time of death: "It's unlikely that he drank the quantity of red wine found by Dr. Bannister.... Therefore, Jimi must have drunk a large quantity of red wine just prior to his death," suggesting that the quantity of alcohol in his lungs was the direct cause.(34)

The revised time of death, 3-4 am, contradicts the gap in the official record, and so does the revelation that Jimi Hendrix drowned in red wine. While it is common knowledge that Hendrix choked to death, it has only recently come to light that the wine—not the Verparex—was the primary catalyst of death. Hendrix was, the evidence suggests, forced to drink a quantity of wine. The barbiturates, as Brown notes, "seriously inhibited Jimi's normal cough reflex." Unable to cough the wine back up, "it went straight down into his lungs....It is quite possible that he thrashed about for some time, fighting unsuccessfully to gain his breath."(35) It is doubtful that Hendrix would have continued to swallow the wine in "massive" volumes had it begun to fill his lungs.

One explanation that explains the forensic evidence is that Jimi Hendrix was restrained, wine forced down his throat until his thrashings ceased. All of this must have taken place quickly, before the alcohol had time to enter his bloodstream. The post mortem report states that the blood alcohol level was not excessive, about 20mg over the legal drinking limit. He died before his stomach absorbed much of the wine. Jimi Hendrix choked to death. That much of the general understanding of his demise is correct, and little else.

The kidnapping, embezzling and numerous shady deceptions would make Jeffrey the leading suspect in any proper police investigation. And his reaction at the news of Hendrix's death did little to dispel any suspicions that associates may have harbored. Jim Marron, a nightclub owner from Manhattan, was vacationing with Jeffrey in Spain when word of the musician's death reached him. "We were supposed to have dinner that night in Majorca," Marron recalls.

Jeffrey "called me from his club in Palma saying that we would have to cancel....I've just got word from London. Jimi's dead." The manager of the Hendrix Experience took the news completely in stride. "I always knew that son of a bitch would pull a quickie," Jeffrey told Marron. "Basically, he had lost a major property. You had the feeling that he had just lost a couple of million dollars—and was the first to realize it. My first reaction was, Oh my God, my friend is dead."(36) But Jeffrey reacted coldly, comparing the fatality to a fleeting sexual romp in the afternoon.

His odd behavior continued in the days following the death of Hendrix. He appeared to be consumed by guilt, and on one occasion "confessed." On September 20, recording engineer Alan Douglas received a call from Jeffrey, who wanted to see him. Douglas drove to the hotel where Jeffrey was staying. "He was bent over, in misery from a recent back injury. We started talking and he let it all out. It was like a confession."

"In my opinion," Douglas observed, "Jeffrey hated Hendrix."

Bob Levine, the band's merchandising manager, was perplexed by Jeffrey's response to the tragedy. First, Hendrix's manager dropped completely out of sight. "We tried calling all of Jeffrey's contacts....trying to reach him. We were getting frustrated because Hendrix's body was going to be held up in London for two weeks and we wanted Jeffrey's input on the funeral service.

A full week after Hendrix's death, he finally called. Hearing his voice, I immediately asked what his plans were and would he be going to Seattle. 'What plans?' he asked. I said, 'the funeral.' 'What funeral?' he replied.

I was exasperated: 'Jimi's!' The phone went quiet for a while and then he hung up. The whole office was staring at me, unable to believe that with all the coverage on radio, print and television, Jeffrey didn't know that Jimi had died." As noted, Jeffrey had been notified and almost grieved, in his fashion. "He called back in five minutes and we talked quietly. He said, 'Bob, I didn't know,' and was asking about what had happened. While I didn't confront him, I knew he was lying."(37)

Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:19 AM
Part 4


It was reported that Michael Jeffrey "paid his respects" sitting in a limousine parked outside Dunlap Baptist Church in Seattle. He refused to go inside for the eulogy.(38) Hendrix was buried at the family plot at Greenwood Cemetary in Renton.

Screenwriter Alan Greenberg was hired to write a screenplay for a film on the life of Jimi Hendrix. He traveled to England and taped an interview with Dannemann shortly before her death in April, 1996. In that interview, Dannemann sketched in more details of Jeffrey's skullduggery, which continued after Hendrix's death and has long been concealed behind a wall of misconceptions. On the Greenberg tapes, Dannemann denied allegations of heroin use, as do others close to Hendrix: "You should put that into the right perspective since all of the youngsters still think he was a drug addict.

The problem was, when he died, I was told by the coroner not to talk until after the inquest, so that's why all these wild stories came out that he overdosed from heroin." The coroner found no injection tracks on Hendrix's body. That he snorted the opiate, a charge advanced by biographer Chris Welch in Hendrix, is disputed by Jimi's closest friends. He indulged primarily in marijuana and LSD. The popular misconception that Hendrix was a heroin addict lingers on but should have been buried with him. One of rock's greatest talents was maliciously smeared by the press on this count.

At times, he public has been deliberately misled about Hendrix's drug habits. Kathy Etchingham, a former girlfriend, was deceived into giving an article about Jimi to a friend in the corporate media, and it was snatched up by a newspaper, rewritten, and the story that emerged depicted the guitarist as a violent and drug-infested lunatic. The editor later apologized in writing to Kathy for falsifying the record, but failed to retract in print.(39) Media swipes at Hendrix to this day are often unreasonably vicious, as in this transparent attempt to shape public opinion from London's Times on December 14, 1993:

Not only did [Hendrix] leave several memorable compositions behind him; he left a good-looking corpse. Kathy Etchnigham, a middle-class mother of two, who used to be one of Hendrix's lovers, still mourns his passing and is seeking to persuade the police that there is something suspicious about the circumstances in which he died. Quite why she should bother is hard to say. Perhaps she is bored.

Hendrix, we are advised, "lived an absurdly self-indulgent life and died, in essence, of stupidity."

Close friends of Jimi Hendrix suggest that Jeffrey was the front man for a surreptitious sponsor, the FBI, CIA or Mafia. In 1975, Crawdaddy magazine launched its own investigation and concluded that a death squad of some kind had targeted him: "Hendrix is not the only artist to have had his career sabotaged by unscrupulous sharks and leeches." The recent memory of the death of Average White Band drummer Robby McIntosh from strychnine-laced heroin circulating at a party in L.A. "only serves to update this fact of rock-and-roll life. But an industry that accepts these tragedies in cold blood demonstrates its true nature—and the Jimi Hendrix music machine cranks out, unencumbered by the absence of Hendrix himself. One wonders who'll be the next in line?"(40)

On March 5, as if in reply, Michael Jeffrey, every musician's nightmare, was blown out of the sky in an airplane collision over France, enroute to a court appearance in London related to Hendrix. Jeffrey was returning from Palma aboard an Iberia DC-9 in the midst of a French civil air traffic control strike. Military controllers were called in as a contingency replacements for the controllers. Hendrix biographer Bill Henderson considers the midair collision fuel for "paranoia."

The nature of military airline control "necessitated rigorous planning, limited traffic on each sector and strict compliance with regulations. The DC-9 however was assigned to the same flight over Nantes as a Spantax Coronado, which 'created a source of conflict.' And because of imprecise navigation, lack of complete radar coverage and imperfect radio communications, the two planes collided. The Coronado was damaged but remained airworthy; no one was injured. The DC-9 crashed, killing all 61 passengers and seven crew . . . ." There are [theories] that Jeffrey was merely a tool, a mouthpiece for the real villains lurking in the wings, that he was "the target of assassination."(41)

A quarter-century after Hendrix died, his father finally won control of the musical legacy. Under a settlement signed in 1995, the rights to his son's music were granted to 76-year-old Al Hendrix, the sole heir to the estate. The agreement, settled in court, forced Hendrix to drop a fraud suit filed two years earlier against Leo Branton Jr., the L.A. civil rights attorney who represented Angela Davis and Nat King Cole. Hendrix accused his lawyer of selling the rights to the late rock star's publishing catalogue without consent.

Hendrix, Sr. filed the suit on April 19, 1993, after learning that MCA Music Entertainment—a company rife with Mafia connections—was readying to snatch up his son's recording and publishing rights from two international companies that claimed to own them. The MCA deal, estimated to be worth $40 million, was put on hold after objections were raised in a letter to the Hollywood firm from Hendrix. By this time, Experience albums generated more than $3-million per a Ênnum in royalties, and $1-million worth of garments, posters and paraphernalia bearing his name and likeness are sold each year. All told, Al Hendrix received $2-million over the next 20 years.(42)

Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:20 AM
Part 5

NOTES

1. John Holstrom, "Who Killed Jimi?" Lions Gate Media Works, http://lionsgate.com/Music/hendrix/I_ Dont_Live_Today.html.

2. John Raymond and Marv Glass, "The FBI Investigated Jimi Hendrix," Common Ground, University of Santa Barbara, CA student newspaper, vol. iv, no. 9, June 7, 1979, P. 1.

3. "Jimi Hendrix, Black Power and Money," Teenset, January, 1969.

4. Tony Brown, Hendrix: The Final Days, London: Rogan House, 1997, p. 43.

5. On Mike Jeffrey's undefined politics, see: John McDermott with Eddie Kramer, Hendrix: Setting the Record Straight, New York: Warner, 1992, p. 180.

6. Harry Shapiro and Ceasar Glebbeek, Jimi Hendrix, Electric Gypsy, New York: St. Martin's, 1990, p. 120.

7. Bill Henderson, "IT'S LIKE TRYING TO GET OUT OF A ROOM FULL OF MIRRORS," Jimi Hendrix web page, http://www.rockmine. music.co.uk/jimih. html.

8. Fredric Dannen, Hit Men: Power Brokers and Fast Money Inside the Music Industry, New York: Times Books, 1990, p. 164-5.

9. Shapiro and Glebbeek, Jimi Hendrix, Electric Gypsy, New York: St. Martin's, 1990, p. 294. The Fudge once booked a tour with Jimi Hendrixs, per arrangement between the band's mobbed-up management and Michael Jeffrey, Hendrix's manager.

10. Dannen, p. 165.

11. Shapiro and Glebbeek, p. 295.

12. Monika Dannemann, The Inner World of Jimi Hendrix, New York: St. Martin's Press, 1995, pp. 76-8.

13, John Swenson, "The Last Days of Jimi Hendrix," Crawdaddy, January, 1975, p. 43.

14. Ibid., p. 488 ff.

15. "Banks and Narcotics Money Flow in Suth Florida," U.S. Senate Banking Committee report, 96th Congress, June 5-6, 1980, p. 201.

16. Jonathon Kwitny, The Crimes of Patriots: A True Tale of Dope, Dirty Money, and the CIA, New York: Touchstone, 1987, p. 153.

17. Josh Rodin, "BANK OF CROOKS AND CRIMINALS?" Topic 105, Christic News, Aug 6, 1991.

18. R. Gary Patterson, Hellhounds on Their Trail: Tales from the Rock-n'-Roll Graveyard, Nashville, Tennessee: Dowling Press, 1998, p. 208.

19. Ibid.

20. Shapiro and Glebbeek, p. 473.

21. Shapiro and Glebbeek, p. 477.

22. Swenson. In Crosstown Traffic (1989), Charles Murray reports that Hendrix "began consulting independent lawyers and accountants with a view of sorting out his tangled finances and freeing himself from Mike Jeffrey" (p. 55).

23. Henderson Web site.

24. Brown, p. 7.

25. Mitch Mitchell with John Platt, Jimi Hendrix—Inside the Experience, New York: St. Martin's, 1990, p. 160.

26. Stanton Steele, "The Human Side Of Addiction: What caused John Belushi's death?" U.S. Journal of Drug and Alcohol Dependence, April 1982, p. 7.

27. David Henderson, 'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky, New York: Bantam, 1996, pp. 389-90.

28. Brown, p. 164.

29. Henderson, p. 392.

30. Brown, p. 163.

31. Henderson, p. 388.

32. Ibid., p. 392.

33. Henderson, 'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky, p. 393. If the Mafia did indeed participate, Hendrix wasn't the first African-American musician to have a contract on his head. In May 1955, jazz saxman Wardell Gray was murdered, probably by Mafia hitmen. Gray had toured with Benny Goodman and Count Basie in 1948. His remarkable recording sessions of the late 1940s, especially with Dexter Gordon, brought him fame. Bill Moody, a jazz drummer and disk jockey, published a novel in 1996, Death of a Tenor Man, based on the life and death of Grey. "It's strange," a publisher's press release comments, "that 1950s Las Vegas, a town in which the Mob and corrupt police worked hand in glove, became the home of the first integrated nightclub in the country. The Moulin Rouge was owned by blacks and had the honor of being the only casino hotel in Vegas that allowed African-Americans to mingle with white customers. On opening night, Nat 'King' Cole and Frank Sinatra sat in with Benny Carter's band. The second night, Wardell Gray, a black sax player in the Carter band with a growing reputation, was beaten to death. The police said he overdosed and 'fell out of bed,' dying later 'of complications.' Some suspected Gray's death was the Mob's way of telling the African-American businessmen who backed the Moulin Rouge that 'this town isn't big enough for the both of us.' Gray's murder has never been investigated. It "hung over the Moulin Rouge like a storm cloud" and remains unsolved. The casino went out of business a few months later.

And the 1961 attempt on the life of soul singer Jackie Wilson has never been rationally explained. Wilson was shot in the stomach by a fan supposedly trying to "prevent a fan from killing herself." He recovered from the assault and went on to release "No Pity (In the Naked City)," and "Higher and Higher."

The Halloween, 1975 murder of Al Jackson, percussionist for Booker T. and the MGs, at the age of 39, also appeared to be a premeditated hit. Barbara Jackson, his wife, was the sole eyewitness. She told police, according to Rolling Stone, that she "arrived home on the night of the shooting and was met by a gun-wielding burglar who tied her hands behind her back with an ironing cord." Al Jackson, who'd been taking in a closed circuit telecast of the Muhammad Ali-Joe Frazier fight, arrived an hour later. Any burglar would have collected valuables in the house and fled by this time, but he waited a full hour for Jackson to return home. Babara Jackson was freed from the ropes and the "burglar" ordered her at gunpoint to open the door for him. "After confronting Jackson and asking him for money, the intruder forced him to lie on the floor. He then shot Jackson five times in the back and left." (Rolling Stone, November 1975)

34. Brown, p. 165.

35. Brown, pp. 165-66.

36. McDermott and Kramer, pp. 286-87.

37. Ibid.

38. Ibid.

39. Shapiro and Glebeek, p. 474.

40. Swenson, p. 45.

41. Henderson Web site.

42. Chuck Philips, "Father to Get Hendrix Song, Image Rights," Los Angeles Times (home edition), July 26, 1995, p. 1. Also named as defendants were producer Alan Douglas and several firms that have profited from the Hendrix catalogue since 1974 under contracts negotiated by Branton: New York-based Bella Godiva Music Inc; Presentaciones Musicales SA (PMSA), a Panamanian corporation; Bureau Voor Muzeikrechten Elber B. V. in the Netherlands; and Interlit, based in the Virgin Islands.

Branton negotiated two contracts in early 1974—signed by Al Hendrix—that relinquished all rights to his son's "unmastered" tapes for $50,000 to PMSA and all his stock in Bella Godiva, his son's music publishing company, for $50,000."PMSA and the other overseas companies were later discovered to be part of a tax shelter system created by Harry Margolis," reported the L.A. Times, "a Saratoga attorney whom federal prosecutors charged but never convicted of tax fraud. The tax shelter plan collapsed after Margolis' death in 1987, and also [prompted] complaints from the estates of other entertainment clients, including singer Nat King Cole, screenwriter Larry Hauben as well as from followers of New Age philosopher Werner Erhard, who allegedly stashed revenues from his EST enterprise in the foreign account."

Emilovious
10-08-08, 02:23 AM
This is chapter seven from the book:
"The Covert War Against Rock"
published by Feral House, 2000.

You can also read it here:
http://www.dailyscare.com/2486/i-dont-live-today-the-jimi-hendrix-political-harassment-kidnap-and-murder-experience


and here:
http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2007/11/who-killed-jimi-hendrix-rock-culture.html

copifunk
10-08-08, 04:36 AM
Thanks for this..
I have read it all before..
I just wish they would get the facts already so that we all can know the TRUTH about what happened to Jimi..
THE TRUTH !
Its more than CRAZY?!?!?! at this point that we still don't have the FACTs
about his unfortunate death..
I have a feeling we will never know (even though somebody out there obviously does)
;-(

MourningStar
10-08-08, 10:22 AM
I have a feeling we will never know (even though somebody out there obviously does)
Exactly! Your 'feeling' is more than justified. Forget about 'feeling'. The fact is we will never know. These articles have been around for years. And this subject has been beat-to-death (pun intended). People need to move on.

Grapost
10-08-08, 01:41 PM
This is my theory.

Jeffrey was OWNED and controlled by the MOB. Electric Lady Studios was built in Mob territory. Jimi was force to play at a newly opened MOB owned club by Jeffrey. He sent all of Jimi's money to the Bahamas to an account controlled by the MOB.

When Jeffrey tried to break free of the MOB control, they kidnapped Jimi to show him that if he didn't follow instructions and send the MOB their money, they would could "do away with" his "cash cow."

Apparently, Jeffrey stiffed the MOB out of their money again, and to retaliate they killed Jimi.

The MOB thinking, well if we can't make any money from him, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO EITHER! We'll kill YOUR GOLDEN GOOSE!

I've heard that Jeffrey was at Jimi's funeral but never got out of the car. I guess he was afraid somebody would beat the shit out of him.

Remember at that time, the MOB was just trying to infiltrate the Rock N Roll structure, seeing the gobs of money it was starting to make with arena and stadium tours which was new at that time. The group Vanilla Fudge was the first MOB owned and sponsored band.

The reason Monika made up her story is because she knows he was murdered and was warned that she would be killed too if she said anything. That is why she wasn't there when the ambulance arrived. She ran for her life. Being young and scared to death, she fabricated the story to protect herself. Warnings like this by killers in other murders, have kept many people silent for the rest of their lives.

The autopsy explains it all. How can a man have all that much red wine in his stomach and lungs, but none is his blood stream? Obviously, he didn't live long enough for it to be absorbed.

Yes he took sleeping pills, but the body was FULLY CLOTHED! Does anybody take sleeping pills and then go to bed with clothes on? And the Doctor said the amount wasn't enough to kill him.

Well that's my 2 cents

MourningStar
10-08-08, 03:05 PM
This is my theory.
Your theory???

Well, if you have not read the multitude of articles/literature floating around for decades, it just has to be one of the most fantastic coincidences I have encountered! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/thumbs-up.gif

Emilovious
10-08-08, 04:24 PM
Your theory???

Well, if you have not read the multitude of articles/literature floating around for decades, it just has to be one of the most fantastic coincidences I have encountered! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/thumbs-up.gif


Where did you read this theory before?

MourningStar
10-08-08, 05:06 PM
Where did you read this theory before?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/rolleyes.gifSo, this theory is 'original' to you? :eek2:

Emilovious
10-08-08, 05:19 PM
Well, not all the peaces, but can't remember
reading about it anywhere in particular.
Yes, some people say "Jimi was killed" we also had a documentary few years ago called "Last 24 hours" that also spoke about conspiracy
but not about mafia version as far as I remember (maybe I'm wrong).
Again, where did you read about it, seriously?

MourningStar
10-08-08, 11:27 PM
Well, not all the peaces, ...Well, you simply take all the pieces and ...

Emilovious
10-09-08, 11:48 AM
Well, you don't need to have all original pieces to
have an original theory.
I'll take it as you never read such theory anywhere.

Herman Cherusken
10-09-08, 12:22 PM
A lot has been speculated about the final days of Jimi Hendrix's tumultuous life. Between Tony Brown's excellent book and the details in Sharon Lawrence's recently-published memoir, the following sordid chain of events seem to be implied:

1. The extremely-sensitive Hendrix was unravelling under an unprecedented amount of personal and professional stress and was particularly vulnerable to negative elements during these two weeks in London. Hendrix spoke of suicide and death frequently during this period. He was essentially surrounded by sharks and sycophants and had no real support network to help him through this rough time in his life.

2. On the night of his death, he had a bad argument with his German girlfriend, Monika Dannemann, that was recounted by several witnesses interviewed by Brown.

3. Sometime after retiring, Hendrix apparently took a deliberate overdose of extremely-powerful sleeping tablets.

4. Dannemann, for whatever reason (anger/vengeance is implied) - seems to have poured wine down his throat as he lay choking on his vomit (this is hinted at by Brown, and claimed openly by Lawrence who claims she confronted Dannemann with this evidence and Dannemann did not deny it).

5. The coroner recorded an "open verdict," since a verdict of suicide would have invalidated the million-dollar insurance policies held on Hendrix by his manager and record company (evidently standard practice in the music business). Thus, Hendrix's suicide has gone down in history as an "accidental overdose."

6. (Fast forward to 1996) Dannemann committed suicide when her version of events was blown apart in a court case brought by another of Hendrix's ex-girlfriends, Kathy Etchingham.

Brown (who passed away a few years ago himself) deserves praise for doing all the research and detective work it took to pull this book together. It is horrible to ponder that one of music's greatest visionaries was driven to this end by the vultures surrounding him, as well as his own lack of discipline. Is it possible to end on a high note? At least the incredible music is still here to inspire the generations who have followed him.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1G07EZF6W618X/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

MourningStar
10-09-08, 12:25 PM
Well, you don't need to have all original pieces to
have an original theory.Oh Emil - of course you don't. However, if you understood what you posted, that theory is staring you in the face. Obviously, your fine command of the English language does have it's limitations, ey?

Emilovious
10-09-08, 03:51 PM
A lot has been speculated about the final days of Jimi Hendrix's tumultuous life. Between Tony Brown's excellent book and the details in Sharon Lawrence's recently-published memoir, the following sordid chain of events seem to be implied:

1. The extremely-sensitive Hendrix was unravelling under an unprecedented amount of personal and professional stress and was particularly vulnerable to negative elements during these two weeks in London. Hendrix spoke of suicide and death frequently during this period. He was essentially surrounded by sharks and sycophants and had no real support network to help him through this rough time in his life.

2. On the night of his death, he had a bad argument with his German girlfriend, Monika Dannemann, that was recounted by several witnesses interviewed by Brown.

3. Sometime after retiring, Hendrix apparently took a deliberate overdose of extremely-powerful sleeping tablets.

4. Dannemann, for whatever reason (anger/vengeance is implied) - seems to have poured wine down his throat as he lay choking on his vomit (this is hinted at by Brown, and claimed openly by Lawrence who claims she confronted Dannemann with this evidence and Dannemann did not deny it).

5. The coroner recorded an "open verdict," since a verdict of suicide would have invalidated the million-dollar insurance policies held on Hendrix by his manager and record company (evidently standard practice in the music business). Thus, Hendrix's suicide has gone down in history as an "accidental overdose."

6. (Fast forward to 1996) Dannemann committed suicide when her version of events was blown apart in a court case brought by another of Hendrix's ex-girlfriends, Kathy Etchingham.

Brown (who passed away a few years ago himself) deserves praise for doing all the research and detective work it took to pull this book together. It is horrible to ponder that one of music's greatest visionaries was driven to this end by the vultures surrounding him, as well as his own lack of discipline. Is it possible to end on a high note? At least the incredible music is still here to inspire the generations who have followed him.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1G07EZF6W618X/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Yes, i can't agree with you more, Tony Brown's book "Final Days" is
remarkable work. Unfortunately not appreciated enough by many Jimi's fans.

Emilovious
10-09-08, 03:55 PM
Oh Emil - you are such a silly-willy - of course you don't.

However, if you understood what you posted, that theory is staring you in the face. Obviously, your fine command of the English language does have it's limitations, ey?


In short, you say I do not understand what I wrote myself.
But I asked you very simple question.
Where exactly did you read about the mafia theory Grapost
posted? You seem unable to reply.
If you're insinuating the above article, I suggest that YOU
read it one more time (with the English dictionary).
Yes, my English does have many limitations, but believe me,
you haven't posted anything yet I couldn't understand very well.
If you can not constructively participate in a thread, please don't.

MourningStar
10-09-08, 04:43 PM
In short, you say I do not understand what I wrote myself.Incorrect (as usual). You wrote nothing - you posted (copy and paste, I assume) an article.


But I asked you very simple question. ... You seem unable to reply.The reply is there. You still seem unable to 'see' it. Just like the saying "... they have eyes, yet cannot see."


Yes, my English does have many limitations, ...No problem, it will improve.


... but believe me, you haven't posted anything yet I couldn't understand very well.See? It's already improving!


If you can not constructively participate in a thread, please don't.Oh my ... now thread participation has to meet your standards. You silly-willy - (_x_)

MourningStar
10-09-08, 04:48 PM
... Unfortunately not appreciated enough by many Jimi's fans.And now Emil decides what Jimi's fans should appreciate. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/rolleyes.gif

Emilovious
10-09-08, 11:47 PM
I write this:

Yes, i can't agree with you more, Tony Brown's book "Final Days" is
remarkable work. Unfortunately not appreciated enough by many Jimi's fans.

Your comment, Mourninstar is this:
And now Emil decides what Jimi's fans should appreciate.


And you think that I have problems with understanding English language (!).

MourningStar
10-09-08, 11:53 PM
^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/whoosh7zr.gif

Emilovious
10-09-08, 11:54 PM
I repeat, if you can not constructively participate in a thread,
please don't. If you have a comment about the "pasted" article above,
or your theory about Jimi's death, please post it.
But don't make comments like:

So, this theory is 'original' to you? Etc , in such style.
You have your own theory?
Or you can say exactly where from the above theory was stolen?
Please, do it. And stop arguments about things that has nothing
to do with this thred.

MourningStar
10-10-08, 12:10 AM
^
Jawohl Mein Fuhrer!

Herman Cherusken
10-22-08, 08:13 PM
Hendrix might not have been really clear to what he was doing when he took those 9 Vesparax, a dosage strong enough to incapacitate an entire herd of elephants (not really, but close). No wonder then why he was found in a sorry ass state flat on his back in bed, covered in a pool of puke and all over the place, in his nose, down his lungs, with his tongue down the throat blocking his airways, without any visible attempts of having tried to fight himself out of the precarious situation he was in - because even if he had woken up when he started to regurgitate, he couldn't move physically, not a limb, nor control his bodily functions (which happened to someone I know, who was stoned and slightly drunk and took one (1) Vesparax, ending up on the kitchen floor, unable to move for hours, pissing and shitting himself), totally paralyzed by this very strong relaxant of the nervous system. So if Jimi did wake up, he was unable to do anything as he asphyxiated on his own vomit.

By the gut feeling you get after long service, the paramedics knew Jimi was way gone when they came to the scene. Some of the puke had already dried up in his throat giving them a hell of a time clearing his air passages, indicating he had been dead for quite some time. They couldn’t even recognize who he was because of the state he was in, also indicating that he had not been attended or cared for while struggeling for his life. Regardless, the paramedics followed the prescribed medical protocol trying everything within their powers to revive him, but was subsequently pronounced dead shortly upon arrival at the hospital.

As the chronic insomniac he was, it might have been Jimi's intention to get some sleep before he had to meet some people the next day, and with his enormous capacity to take drugs, he perhaps didn’t think much of it when he took the sleeping pills and thought he could take a whole bunch, while it turned out to be his nemesis - or so I have hoped it was, a mistake on his part plus not by any foul play.

But Monika Dannemann was very jealous and seems to have done Jimi in, or at least clearly contributed to his death by her actions. On the same night they had a bad argument that was recounted by several witnesses, and Jimi had told her he would go to the states the next day - or within the next few days. Dannemann did not just pour a little wine down his throat when he lay choking on his vomit in a flimsy attempt by a stupid woman to clear his throat, she poured down large amounts within a relatively short time period before his death, as not much of the alcohol had been taken up in his blood stream. Sharon Lawrence claims in her memoirs that she confronted Dannemann with this evidence and Dannemann did not deny it (p. 265-266). And Dannemann conveniently committed suicide when her version of the events was blown apart in a court case in 1996 brought by another of Hendrix's ex-girlfriends, Kathy Etchingham.

So whatever the reasons were that made Jimi take those 9 Vesparax - a suicide attempt or by accident - the cunt could have saved him by first helping him over on the side so he could breathe properly, and then call the ambulance. Instead she called Eric Burdon early in the morning because she was scared saying Jimi was in a bad shape, and he told her to call the ambulance immediately. She called back later and Eric asked if she had called the ambulance, but she had not, and instead gone out buying smokes. So yeah, the cunt had Jimi killed.

There are ominous discrepancies (lies) in her story of that morning, after new information has been provided by Kathy Etchingham and Dee Mitchell (Mitch's wife) in their investigations surrounding Jimi's death. Dannemann lied big time about the entire time frame scenario and about what really had transpired. Just for one, why was there a 5-6 hours lapse between the time it has been established that Jimi actually died (based on the autopsy report and other medical observations) and the time the emergency call came in at 11:18 AM, with the swift emergence of the ambulance team to the scene at 11:27 AM? A number of people was evidently called early that morning, notified that something was seriously wrong with Jimi, but no call for an ambulance. What was the cunt doing in the meantime?! The pathologist concluded later that Jimi must have been dead by 5:30 AM at the latest.

I can't go to "Jimi's Ladies Gallery" and see the cunt hailed as one of Jimi's chicks. I literarily hold up my arms in a cross whenever I see the worthless fuck who let Jimi lie there to die such a shitty death.

MourningStar
10-22-08, 08:38 PM
^
The ambulance attendants stated Jimi was dead when they arrived but, according to what is reported that they said, protocol required them to attempt resucitation and the summoning of law-enforcement. In the U.S., circumstances such as these (especially the part about the apartment being empty) require law-enforcement to treat this as a crime-scene. Why did British authorities not do this?

Herman Cherusken
10-22-08, 08:46 PM
Protocol required them summoning the police if the owner or someone else was not in the appartment, that's why they know Monica was not around, as she claim she was. If she had been there, they could have gone in right away and brought Jimi to the hospital immediately.

As far as not treating the situation as a crime scene, perhaps it was a different approach between uk and us law enforcement, at least at the time. But as I dont know, others can tell...

MourningStar
10-22-08, 08:49 PM
I can't go to "Jimi's Ladies Gallery" and see the cunt hailed as one of Jimi's chicks. I literarily hold up my arms in a cross whenever I see the worthless fuck who let Jimi lie there to die such a shitty death.If I'm going to buy into any of these decades-after post-death accounts then I have to go with a murder scenario that includes murder victims appearing before Jimi's death, as well as afterwards, with Monika being murdered as well.

MourningStar
10-22-08, 08:54 PM
Protocol required them summoning the police if the owner or someone else was not in the appartment, that's why they know Monica was not around, as she claim she was. If she had been there, they could have gone in right away and brought Jimi to the hospital immediately.Yes- I understand this and thought I stated as much but ...


As far as not treating the situation as a crime scene, perhaps it was a different approach between uk and us law enforcement, at least at the time. But as I dont know, others can tell...I always thought U.S. law-enforcement was modeled after the British (being that they've been at it far longer, not to mention the fame attributed to 'Scotland Yard').

Herman Cherusken
10-22-08, 09:01 PM
If I'm going to buy into any of these decades-after post-death accounts then I have to go with a murder scenario that includes murder victims appearing before Jimi's death, as well as afterwards, with Monika being murdered as well.

That sounds too far fetched to me, but that's me, as there's no indication of it. I would need more to buy into any of the conspiracy theories...

Not that I know, but perhaps there was some sort of investigation, but with Monika's statement and and the authopsy report they ruled out any foul play. But I would need to read in on it to have a layman's opinion...

MourningStar
10-22-08, 09:22 PM
That sounds too far fetched to me, but that's me, as there's no indication of it.To me, the simple fact that the police did not treat this as a crime scene is the main indicator.


Not that I know, but perhaps there was some sort of investigation, ...Nothing as far as I know either, other than what's already been written about.

... but with Monika's statement and and the authopsy report they ruled out any foul play. But I would need to read in on it to have a layman's opinion...Well, that would certainly be what I would expect to happen for a murder conspiracy, especially if law-enforcement were involved, and for me to buy into a murder theory, this would be an integral requirement of said theory.

Herman Cherusken
10-22-08, 09:51 PM
If the police sees no indication of it being other than a suicide or an accident, with no questionable circumstances, they dont go any further with it. We have seen this time and again throughout criminal history. And they need something substantial to go on for opening the case again, or a curmudgeon for a police either having a gut feeling or seeing something others dont.

From what I know - or dont know - at present time, I think it can be ruled out as neglience as far as how the Police dealt with it. They took Monika's statement and (parts) of the authopsy report at verbatim and went no further it - sloppy, yes, conspiracy, no...

If there was just one shred of a sign of a cover-up, as like with the President Kennedy murder (or any other questionable case), it would be another ball of wax...

MourningStar
10-22-08, 10:02 PM
At least we can agree to disagree - I just know that for a murder to be 100% succesful it must not have any indication/evidence of a murder and there are but a very few 'powers' around that can achieve this, but achieve it they can (and do).

Herman Cherusken
10-22-08, 10:06 PM
lol, yeah I totally agree with you on that one, conspiracies do clearly excist with powers/national leaders/organisations/individuals who have successfully carried them through. History is a testament to that...

Herman Cherusken
11-03-08, 01:59 PM
This is an interesting read: http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=515076&tab=1&agid=2

If accurate, it adds a lot of things I was unaware of previously and opens up the entire subject.

I would hope Etchingham would publish her findings...

Voodoo Kush
11-03-08, 07:30 PM
damn what a mess... It sounds like jimi took the pills, was paralyzed for the most part when he began throwing up, and the excess wine consumption? Monika was fucked up and wasn't thinking clearly or serouisly about Jimi's health when she should have, left him unattended but when she did make an attempt to help him, she was too late and applied wine instead of water to wake him up. WHOOPS. Hendrix's body was not in good health in general and this was the icing on the cake. It sounds like he Died in his sleep, Alone when he needed help the most. RIP

Herman Cherusken
11-16-08, 03:12 AM
While some pour their gall bladder on those who discuss the circumstances surrounding Hendrix's death and also for targetting Monika and her lies in particular, others find the subject intriguing and wanna get to the bottom of it. This curiosity is not by a mile comparable to the morbid "gawkers" (http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/GAWKER) at the scen of, lets say, a messy traffic accident, but because Jimi's death is clouded in mystery with a lot of unanswered questions, and because it deals with an individual larger than life and that his untimely death killed off what might have been a very productive flow of additional beautiful and captivating music. So since he is someone who means a lot to us, we simply wanna know what happened.

We sure wont get Jimi back by this interest to know, but that's not an argument for not to be curious about what really transpired. So for the sake of clarity and simply because we care, we continue to look for serious authors who can shed light on the issue and perhaps bring new angles to the fore.

Neither is it true that nothing new is unearthed every now and then, and even if there are those who think they know everything concerning the issue (or that there is nothing to know, because it's claimed that the available info is all conflicting and nothing can be determined), there are others who need some reading to catch up on what is known and also have valid questions - and where to bring up those if not at a forum dedicated to the person in question?

For the longest I believed that every possibility to know what happened got lost entirely following the skater from hell in her grave, when she very conveniently comitted suicide in 1996. But after I recently found a reference on the net to a prologue to the latest edition of David Henderson's book 'Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky - Jimi Hendrix: A Voodoo Child (2008), I realized there were some truth to rumors I had read on various highly speculative pages on the net, but was not substantiated by references backing it up. It deals with Eric Burdon and others being on the scene in the aftermath of Jimi's death, and through Henderson's prologue I realized there were a lot more to this, information that at least I had not read anywhere else before.

Im too tired to account for all the subject matters Henderson bring up in his prologue, so for those who are interested can read here. (http://www.simonsays.com/content/book.cfm?pid=515076&tab=1&agid=2)

And as far as Jimi's death, here are some quotes:

"n 1986, Burdon published his memoir, [I]I Used to Be an Animal but I'm All Right Now, and made some pretty serious admissions. He stated that he had answered Monika's telephone call as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window." He called her back to make sure she had called the ambulance. "She said, 'I can't have people around here now, there's all kinds of stuff [drugs] in the house.'" He states that he caught a minicab to the hotel shortly afterward. This is an admission that he had met Dannemann at the Samarkand rather than at the hospital. Dannemann maintained that Burdon's recollection was unreliable because he was still under the influence of drugs. But from his account and other interviews with him, this event sobered him up and woke him up completely. He quickly became aware of how bad it could be."

[...]

"Five years later, in 1991, in a conversation with Kathy Etchingham, he seemed to have thrown all previous caution to the wind. Burdon stated, 'It was early morning when I got the call, in fact, I thought it was earlier than early morning. I thought it was like in the early hours.' He reiterated that he yelled and screamed for Dannemann to get an ambulance and those screams happened 'on more than one occasion.' He thought she was stalling because of being frozen with fear of being implicated and even prosecuted for drugs (the police report noted how 'smartly clean' the premises were). Burdon, thinking that she would not call for help until the place was clean, went over there to take care of that business. 'When I arrived there [at the Samarkand], I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me'."

"Terry Slater, a former Animal employee, was also there. He told Earth magazine in December of 1970, 'I had been at the flat [the Samarkand Hotel suite] on Thursday night, and although he [ Jimi] wasn't happy, it was impossible to envisage what was going to happen.' He would make a statement to Scotland Yard in 1992 to the effect that he had been at the Samarkand that morning and had helped clean up 'the mess.' For some reason he stated that 'there was no food whatsoever in the flat and no evidence any had been cooked.' But Slater may have solved the mystery of a call Jimi made that morning in which he said, 'I need help bad, man.' Slater: 'When he called Eric that morning he called a friend, not his manager or any of his hangers-on -- he went straight to a friend'."

This is interesting, why did Jimi call Eric in the early hours on Friday. Had Monika somehow tricked Jimi to take the 9 Vesparax and after awhile he knew he was in trouble, and before the drug took effect and he still could communicate he called Eric, and then when being incapacitated on the bed Monika poured wine down his throat?

"Slater was the one who had phoned Gerry Stickells between 8:00 A.M. and 9:00 A.M. in the first place to tell him there was a problem with Jimi at the hotel. Stickells had been delayed because he went at first to the Cumberland Hotel suite where Jimi was registered.


"Eric Burdon went to the Samarkand Hotel and helped Monika clean up before the ambulance was called. They would clean the place of drugs and paraphernalia. Other sources said that some stuff was buried in the garden. Keith Altham, the journalist, has mentioned in a documentary that "Eric Burdon supposedly hoovered the place and got rid of drugs and things, in which case the ambulance was delayed before it got there."

"Author Tony Brown adds to Burdon's and Slater's statements. In one of the many interviews he conducted with Monika Dannemann, before and after Etchingham's conversation with Eric Burdon, she mentioned that Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett -- both road managers of Hendrix in Jeffery's employ -- were also in the flat that morning, possibly before the ambulance was called. "Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett, they took some of Jimi's stuff. Mainly, like messages, that kind of stuff. That was funny, that was so strange. They were only interested in all messages Jimi had received. Clotheswise they didn't bother at all. And the guitar, that was one of the things they wanted to take. I explained to them that in 1969 Jimi said to me, if ever he would not come back I could have his guitar. And I told them this, and Gerry Stickells still wanted to take it away from me, and I was completely in tears, naturally, not because of the guitar but because of the whole, you know, what happened. And it was Eric Barrett who sort of said to Gerry Stickells, let her have it."


"It's possible they knew he was dead before the ambulance was called. If he was still alive they would have understood that their delay could have been a factor in his death. The doctors in the hospital emergency room (who ought to know) noted that Jimi Hendrix had been dead a long time. Although no one claimed to have checked Hendrix's life signs before the ambulance arrived, there is an implication that he was dead. That means that Dannemann, Slater, Bridges, Burdon, and possibly others may have had some idea of how Hendrix died, or at least more than is commonly known."

The prologue disclose much more but I leave it at that, and it sure has added a number of things I previously didnt know about.

Henderson's book is clearly my next purchase...

dino77
11-16-08, 03:51 AM
Well, enjoy...:confused:

siamesecat
11-16-08, 11:10 AM
I`m sorry, i cant leave it for herman.

Another bunch of letters. Which adds nothing new to the picture.

"That means that Dannemann, Slater, Bridges, Burdon, and possibly others [who?] may have had some idea [?] of how Hendrix died, or at least more than is commonly known" So what idea is?

Cherusken surely knew! - "Monika somehow [!] tricked [?] him to take the 9 Vesparax and he knew [despite trick!] he was in trouble, and while [what time it was? we still dont know exact time-point of his death] he could communicate he called Eric, and then when [WHEN when?] being incapacitated on the bed Monika poured wine down his throat?" Just imagine the scene! I cant, really. And for what reason she "poured" wine, if she knew, he had gone from "her" Vesperax early? Its far from "cleaning the place" of crime, isnt?

Then, next "sensation". Eric Burdon killed Jimi with Monika Danneman assistance! Then he clear the place and, cold-blooded, call for ambulance. Such a monster!

As for last Hendrix writing. While it open for whatever delusions of visioners, it doesnt sound for me as ciphered verdict for Monika, written by victim. People dont write verses while trying to wake up and breath properly.

Different version: Hendrix was killed by jealous girlfriends, Jeannette Jacobs, "his old nemesis, Angie Burdon", Devon Wilson and, of course, Monika Danneman. The most thrilling detail - except for Jacobs, they all finished badly.
"Devon Wilson died a mysterious death at the Chelsea Hotel in New York City early in 1971. Some say she leaped or was pushed from a hotel window or the roof. Others say she was found at the Chelsea badly beaten, perhaps to death, with a needle sticking from her arm.
Angelina "Angie" Burdon divorced from Eric Burdon. She moved to Australia, where she was murdered by a boyfriend in 1992.

Monika Dannemann was found dead in April of 1996 in a small seaside town in England. A hose attached to the exhaust pipe of her Mercedes and routed through a window [strange and complicated way to commit suicide!] was said to have been responsible for her death, which was officially termed a suicide."

Shakespeare, isnt?

"I have to go with a murder scenario that includes murder victims appearing before Jimi's death, as well as afterwards, with Monika being murdered as well." Finally, someone figured out this possibility!

Other statements of David Henderson cannot satisfy me as well.

"groups and individuals within the responsible [?] Negro community, and the Negro radicals [responsible too?] and also the white liberals [?] who have sympathy for militant [responsible] black nationalists."
"Richard Nixon [!] sought to include Hendrix [!] in a countercultural conference the White House [!] was sponsoring for its own edification [?]" Ouch!
"Other accounts of Hendrix's mysterious death had him overdosing on superpowerful heroin at a friend's house on the outskirts of London and then taken to Monika Dannemann's place. [i heard of this version and, while i dont believe it, nobody prove its falsity] Yet another account had him flown to Hollywood in a private jet, where he was murdered, and then flown back to London. [Jeffery?] Another account had him dying at a well-known rock star's apartment with Devon Wilson by his side. "

So choose account you like... And where is the new facts?

More than David Henderson try-outs i like the Bill Henderson [??? who is it? brother? double?] research. You can browse it here http://www.rockmine.com/Hendrix/StLife2.html

It cites unknown (for me at least) quote from Noel Redding and contain many others facts of interest. It isnt last truth, surely, but it is more wide-scoped view.

And last thing: i dont believe a moment, that Kathy Etchingham would been a saviour of Jimi, if she (not Monika) had roamed the place in the morning of 18 september. They worth one another. So, Danneman-haters, relax!

P.S.
"for the sake of clarity and simply because we care, we continue to look for serious authors who can shed light on the issue and perhaps bring new angels [!] to the fore"
"I can't go to "Jimi's Ladies Gallery" and see the cunt [thats after angels!] hailed as one of Jimi's chicks. I literarily [NB!] hold up my arms in a cross [!] whenever I see the worthless fuck [angels is flying!] who let Jimi lie there to die such a shitty death"

Are you preacher, Cheruker? Bad preacher, i need to say.

"following the skater from hell [again?!] in her grave, when she very [NB!]conveniently [NB!!!] comitted [if she?!] suicide in 1996"

Gawker? Bastard? Idiot? NO.

herman cheruksker = half-completed, finger-made TADPOLE. Period.

Herman Cherusken
11-16-08, 05:16 PM
Well fuck me, siamesecat (the scat man) sure knows how to deliberately distort and confuse things plus being a highly offensive asshole...

hawkfan369
11-16-08, 07:10 PM
ok..if you guys don't stop flaming, everyone will enjoy a vacation.

keep it civil, or be gone..that goes for everybody.

I really have better things to do than moderate this pissing contest.

MourningStar
11-16-08, 08:10 PM
ok..if you guys don't stop flaming, everyone will enjoy a vacation.

keep it civil, or be gone..that goes for everybody.

I really have better things to do than moderate this pissing contest.Oh man! Well, there goes this evening's entertainment!

ilovejimi
11-16-08, 08:34 PM
http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq351/jimi-tribe/JiMiPeaceLuv.gif

MourningStar
11-16-08, 09:07 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/PHOTO/hendrix_tits.jpg

ilovejimi
11-16-08, 09:16 PM
shit- if I could be Jimi for a day-- just not that last day (lol)

hawkfan369
11-16-08, 09:21 PM
shouldn't those be in the ladies gallery? ;)

MourningStar
11-16-08, 09:43 PM
shouldn't those be in the ladies gallery? ;)It's not off-topic. It was reported that Nixon provided those babes, as some weird gesture to get Jimi to play the SSB at his inaugeration. So, it might just qualify as 'political harassment'. -

siamesecat
11-17-08, 07:33 AM
"keep it civil, or be gone"

Another civilian...

MourningStar
11-17-08, 11:34 AM
^
Take care there Herman & S-Cat - this is the one bridge you do not want to burn. - ;)

siamesecat
11-17-08, 09:28 PM
Interesting book review: http://www99.epinions.com/review/Jimi_Hendrix_Starchild_by_Curtis_Knight/content_426744057476

For Kathy fans: http://www.thehendrixcollection.gobot.com/contact.html

What alienate me from her is such words - "I knew Jimi was a genius guitar-player, but I didn't really like his music. And I told him so. "

"Jimi was a really nice bloke but he was not a prophet." from
(http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19960501/ai_n14043251/pg_2?tag=artBody;col1)

And while, as i said above, i`m not a "fan" neither of Kathy or Monika, just compare the titles of their "confessions" - The Inner World of Jimi Hendrix by his fiancee (whatever wrong and pretentious it is) and My [!] Life, The Sixties and [third only!] Jimi Hendrix, and you can see, what i mean.

At the very end, he maybe still in Linda then! "Send my love to Linda" etc.

Curious enough, i cant find any photos of those Mike Jeffery. Just wanna see the creature. Anybody have it? As far we have "Jimi ladies" gallery here, maybe "Jimi enemies-villains" will be useful topic too? First lot will be Jeffrey, second - Vesperax, third, ...hmm, probably, cheruker? (joke)

Serious: there was no photos from the death location by 18 september, isnt it? Or it exist? The most precious witness is an image. I`m not even say about Jimi`s posthumous photos. We have such morbid, but important for truth views of killed JFK and "suicided" Marilyn Monroe. Whats in our case?

Sherlock Holmes at Lansdowne Crescent 22 at the morning of 18 sep 1970 would been the right man in the right place. But he was absent...

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Jimi%20Hendrix/Hendrix%2022.JPG

ilovejimi
11-17-08, 10:50 PM
Just curious
1. Sept 18th 1970- Did anyone ever get the phone records from Monica's room that day. I know they determined the time of calls from the payphone across the street from the hotel.

2. Why was Jimi fully dressed if he was so damn tired- wonder if his shoes were on.

3 How did he know where the pills were- since they were kept in the Kitchen cupboard

I think Jimi went to her hotel to get his guitar and may have just wanted to go back to his own hotel without her-- did monica poisoned him cos she was possessive. what about the late afternnoon early evening encounter on the 17th (young people in the Mustang)-- who was the girl he went into another room with leaving monica out in the living room and what happened (sex) does that begin the moment of motive for Monica's jealousy.

The party he went to that evening- why didnt JImi invite Monica in-- all those people were his friends (Stella Alan Douglas etc). In the HC article, Monica is giving Jimi a hard time (calling him from outside of Cumberland hotel)- to the point where some people from the party yell out the window telling her to "fuck off" Im sure shes really pissed and her mind is going wild . The crap Ive read in many books that he went to this location whereas he really didnt like the people and he wanted to show them he could cope" WHHAAAATTTTTTT-- How is that even rational HES A ROCK STAR GOD--

4. From an Article HC sent me, there is mentioned that the call from Monica to Eric B was at 7am (not all that 10:30am crap) and that Gerry S and Eric B arrived to help clean the apartment.

5 Anyone ever note where Monica supposedly bought the cigarettes. There is no way Monica is telling the truth-- she got out of bed saying Jimi looked fine (come on! Jimi's head was glued to the sheets with the dryed vomit/wine). When she came back she checked his pulse and it was the same as hers-- are you kidding me.

the talk that Jimi was exhausted because of the business-- wait a minute he hadnt toured since Sept 6th (thats a long break for him). When he sat in with Eric B on the 16th going into Sept 17 he did that because he wanted to (nothing contracting him to do so) hang with War

Why did he not show up to play with Sly Stone on the evening17th?

I say shame on Scotland yard for not opening this case up again in the early '90's--in my mind after all ive read over the years and I HATE CONSPIRICIYS-- Im thinking Monkica did him in-- panicked and tried to induce vomit by pouring red wine down his throat after she came to her sences--- only to wind up drowning JImi.

Eric Burdon-- still has something to hide (i dont believe his actions came in to view after Jimi died). Did he help Monica make up all that bullshit-- how come hes never came out to at least say Monicas statements are lies at best or dont make since at the least. That scean was staged- body laying face up-- long ways. and that scarf around his neck--IMHO she was tring to keep the wine from comming up on its own

I also believe that he proposed to her (just a bunch of shit Jimi ran on almost all of his women). Maybe she took it seriously and figured if she couldnt have him then nobody would.

I think Kathy was finally turning the screws on Monkia (court in the '90's)- to the point where Monica couldnt take the strain and guilt of knowing she killed Jimi-- hence she takes her own life.

Sometime before Monicas death- Janie visits Monica and comes away believing her. Perhaps the politics that exist today: Janie leaving Kathy off the latest Electric Ladyland Dvd. Steven Peasent of EH commented "it has to do with politics"

Eric Burdon is the last of the remaing folks that might figure one day on putting forth more information.

Im now thinking Jimi was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, caught in a web a nut crazed chick.

He wanted to live-- he even wrote a song on the afternoon of the 16th-- folks state that it appears Jimis handwritting apeared hurried--- well come on again-- if you got great ideas you want to get them down as fast as there comming into your head. Not like he had a word processer.

The business may have strained his life-- but are you sure? If I project my life into his I would be stressed at times-- but none of us were him-- I submit that he was very strong and could handle it- he handled the touring, managment, built a studio-- if he didnt want to do it- HE WOULDNT HAVE-- life after Sept 6 was not the most stressful time in his life. I say lets give him A LOT of credit for what he did. One event killed Jimi in the early morning of Sept 18th-- Monica and Jimi were the only two there (NOT THE BUSINESS).

How is Eric, Monica never kept their stories the same or complete-- if youre telling the truth at one point in time-- its not going to change latter in life.

Terrible work done by the Medical Examiner not pinning down the exact hour of death. Shame on the police at the time for doing a stupid job of investigating.

The media as then as now seem to find some reason to pin this man in a drug induced haze and died of an overdose-- that is just as bad an INJUSTICE AS THE DEATH OF JIMI

LOTS OF ROCK STARS have and continue to have stresses-- Well not all of them are killing themselves (the majority that is)

Come on
this guy wrote anti drug songs:
Purple Haze (Jesus Saves)
Stone Free
The stars that play with laughing sams dice (STOP LSD)
Dolly Dagger (Devon with the needle)
Freedom (slap it out of my hand)

MourningStar
11-17-08, 11:19 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/PHOTO/monika_1.jpg

siamesecat
11-18-08, 08:40 AM
"Jimi was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, caught in a web a nut crazed chick." Yeah, TOO simply! As he was in the wrong time\place many times before with many crazed chicks.

What, in my opinion, rarely figured out is purely musical troubles.

"After a concert in Denmark on September 2, 1970, he told a Danish reporter, Anne Bjorndal, that he didn't think he would live to see twenty-eight : " The moment that I feel that I don't have anything more to give musically [NB], that's when I won't be found on this planet unless I have a wife and children, because if I don't have anything [NB] to communicate through my music, then there is nothing [!] for me to live for ". Bjorndal added that, " Jimi said he had been dead for a long time and been resurrected in a new musical body [!], and he'd been on this death trip for quite a while ".

Olvator
11-18-08, 09:02 AM
Come on
this guy wrote anti drug songs:
Purple Haze (Jesus Saves)
Stone Free
The stars that play with laughing sams dice (STOP LSD)
Dolly Dagger (Devon with the needle)
Freedom (slap it out of my hand)

purple haze...anti drug song?

stone free....now what does that song have to do with drugs at all?

STPWLSD ----(Stop LSD????) well if there is a word game going on in this title, then it would rather be STP with LSD. both are drugs.

ilovejimi
11-18-08, 09:17 AM
Purple Haze - Jesus Saves

Posted by ESC on February 19, 2005
PURPLE HAZE - JESUS SAVES - The working title of the Jimi Hendrix guitar classic" Purple Haze" was "Purple Haze - Jesus Saves" and was based on a long manuscript, according to the late Monika Dannemann ("The Inner Life of Jimi Hendrix"), "Hendrix's lover at the time of his death." In the manuscript Hendrix stated that the entire meaning of the song came from a dream he had. Ms. Dannemann said, ".he looked down on earth and saw an unborn fetus waiting for its birth.At the same time he saw spirits of the dead leaving earth. Later in the dream he went on a journey though the dimensions, and was walking under the sea. Part of the song was about the purple haze which surrounded him, engulfed him, and in which he got lost. He told me later what a traumatic experience this had been, but that in the dream his faith in Jesus had saved him.'" Other sources indicate that "Purple Haze" was inspired by science fiction. But Hendrix corroborated Dannemann's claim in a January 1967 interview with John King for "Music Express." "If 6 was 9" was inspired by Hendrix's interest in numerology. From "Take a Walk on the Dark Side: Rock and Roll Myths, Legends, and Curses" by R. Gary Patterson (Fireside Book, Simon & Schuster, New York, 2004) Page 192-200.

ilovejimi
11-18-08, 09:20 AM
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo279/detroitlionssuck/284402001.jpg

Olvator
11-18-08, 09:48 AM
yes, that is all right and nice...but where is the ANTI-drug reference in Purple Haze? I am not saying it is pro drug, but it certainly was not meant to be an anti drug song.

ilovejimi
11-18-08, 10:34 AM
Good point

The song has nothing to do with drugs- whereas the pot heads and media perpetuat the myth that it is about drugs:bananasmile:

Olvator
11-18-08, 10:45 AM
Good point

The song has nothing to do with drugs- whereas the pot heads and media perpetuat the myth that it is about drugs:bananasmile:
well, i do think that it might very well have aimed at describing an LSD trip. but still, it is not saying that that was good or bad in any way, that´s what I meant. I am not one of those who say that Jimi was a junkie, or a completely freaked out acid head, but undoubtly he did take certain drugs, and not just on the weekend if you know what i mean. So I could not say that drugs were not important in Jimi´s development, that would just not be correct.

MourningStar
11-18-08, 12:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/PHOTO/monika_bild_2.jpg

Ayler
05-31-09, 04:31 AM
Jimi Hendrix was murdered by his manager as part of an insurance scam, according to a new book by one of his former roadies.
By Ben Leach

Hendrix choked to death on his own vomit in a west London hotel when he was 27.

Although the exact circumstances of Hendrix's death have always been a mystery, James "Tappy" Wright, one of the rock star's roadies, claims Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffery, confessed to killing him.

He claims Jeffery made a drunken confession a year after the star's death in September 1970.

Wright claims Jeffery was worried that Hendrix was preparing to find a new manager when their deal was due to end so he went to his hotel room and stuffed him full of pills and wine.

The book, called Rock Roadie, out next month, recalls Wright's life with various rock stars during the Sixties, including Tina Turner and Elvis Presley.

In it, Wright claims Jeffery, who was married to actress Gillian French, made the confession at his apartment in 1971, two years before he died in a plane crash.

He writes: "I can still hear that conversation, see the man I'd known for so much of my life, his face pale, hand clutching at his glass in sudden rage."

He says Jeffery told him: "I had to do it, Tappy. You understand, don't you? I had to do it. You know damn well what I'm talking about."

He quotes Jeffery as saying: "I was in London the night of Jimi's death and together with some old friends ...we went round to Monika's hotel room, got a handful of pills and stuffed them into his mouth ...then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe.

"I had to do it. Jimi was worth much more to me dead than alive. That son of a bitch was going to leave me. If I lost him, I'd lose everything."

Wright also claims Jeffery told him he had taken out a life insurance policy on Hendrix worth £1.2million, with Jeffery as beneficiary.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/5414507/Jimi-Hendrix-murdered-by-manager-claims-former-roadie.html

A good way to sell a lotta books, isn't it?

stplsd
05-31-09, 05:24 AM
Thanks for the article. But it's not really worth a discussion. I think you've said all there is to say. And Tappy also vouched for the authenticity of the dodgy "Astoria" guitar as well.

Ayler
05-31-09, 06:36 AM
But it's not really worth a discussion.
Maybe about the media are working? Sure not about Jimi!

stplsd
05-31-09, 07:00 AM
Maybe about the media are working? Sure not about Jimi!

I only mean the "confession" story you printed above. And of course we should also remember those "psychedelic pictures by Hendrix" that Tappy "found" not too long ago, ha-ha-ha.

RobbieRadio
05-31-09, 08:53 AM
"New Claims" like this usually turn up when somebody is trying to sell something and needs publicity to help sell it. I'm waiting to see what product this story is attached to.

I mean it only took 39 years for him to say something about this!

It's all about selling a book. It's is a well known practice in the book industry that to sell a book, a shocking claim has to be made in it that the newspapers and media can seize upon and run with. This media frenzy over the "shocking claim" is a way a getting "free publicity" that helps to sell the book.

How many times can you remember where a celebrity dies and then a book comes out shortly thereafter with "shocking claims" that he was gay, she had a torrid affair with a married man, they were sexually abused by their father, she had an abortion at 15, was involved in regular sex orgies with other celebrities, slept with many other celebrites, etc. and on and on.

It's just part of the book business. It's a well proven way of selling their product. Tappy White's book is no different.

I remember reading an interview with a celebrity who was trying to get their biography published. It was turned down by all the book publishers. When she asked why they all turned it down, she was told it didn't have anything "scandulous" (No Dirt) in it. They can't sell a book about somebody who lived good and happy life. It's boring. The story has to have something in it to "spice it up" to create interest with readers.

Marketing 101
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vahurka
05-31-09, 09:13 AM
I saw a documentary TV broadcast at some day, that said the same, they even said that Hendrix was killed by FBI and CIA ..... . I thought immediately that is all crap.
That all must be just bad and fake stories so somebody want to earn money with that fake stories.

deek57
05-31-09, 11:19 AM
This is just another angle on an ANCIENT story........ I read it in another (British) Sunday paper............Yet more speculative cash in crap. The only person who could confirm whether or not MJ was present to stuff Hendrixs' gob with pills, 'Monika Daneman' is also deceased.............No matter what, Hendrix is still dead regardless...... So it's a bit late in the day. Yawwwwn.

BURTCOBAIN
05-31-09, 11:33 AM
i think Jimi has been obviously reincarnated mind body spirit and soul in Lenny Kravitz . .i mean he even talks like him . .all that "blah blah woof woof" stuff is so convincing aint it ?? . .so come on Lenny why dontchya release that double album you've always wanted to do . .i think its called Elected Flakeyman . .or something like that . .Jimi lives . .Lenny is dead . .just nippin off to have a chat with His Holyness The Dallai Lama to sort all this karma stuff out . .i'll get back to you in due course . .(sarky huh . .lol )

purple jim
05-31-09, 01:32 PM
We're going to see alot of bull on the web and in the media because of this.

stplsd
05-31-09, 01:52 PM
I'm waiting to see what product this story is attached to.

This is clearly expained in Ayler's original post: "The book, called Rock Roadie, out next month, recalls Wright's life with various rock stars during the Sixties, including Tina Turner and Elvis Presley."

Think I'll manage to hold off for a month or so until it's in the bargain bins for a £1

cleanuponaisle76
06-08-09, 10:20 PM
this doesn't do too much good for the case of Jimi's death. I mean it makes the movement of truth for Jimi's death look foolish when it is not, it just presents itself very unprofessionally.....I mean why wait so long....the greed of this situation doesn't help.

purple jim
06-18-09, 01:48 AM
The Daily Mail, with an updated article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1193752/Was-Jimi-Hendrix-murdered-manager.html

dino77
06-18-09, 03:29 AM
The Daily Mail, with an updated article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1193752/Was-Jimi-Hendrix-murdered-manager.html

WTF? This piece of shit article repeats lies and bullhsit that were discredited 20 years ago. And that's Kathy in that picture, not Monica. Daily Mail should be sued.

Pali Gap
07-13-09, 05:34 AM
Hi people

I scan read this book in a shop over the weekend its already been reduced in price. Tappy seems pretty hazy to me on some of his memories- the MJ "confession" seems very ambigous in its meaning and interpretation even if it occured. Interestingly he claims -the oh-so-virginal and innocent as the driven snow-Monica Danneman- had a really bad coke habit which Hendrix was paying for- which I thought was hilarous. But mainly he is highly flattering to Cathy Etchingham saying she was the best thing that happened to Hendrix no doubt because he doesnt want her to contest anything.

stplsd
07-16-09, 01:04 PM
see:http://www.gemmzine.com/j/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:buzzy-linhart-a-joe-viglione-on-jimi-hendrix&catid=31:artist-reviews&Itemid=28

purple jim
07-16-09, 03:34 PM
Fascinating stuff, not only about the death of Jimi but also the report of the live Little Richard tape.

manfree
07-16-09, 04:16 PM
Having trouble with the Link is it me?

purple jim
07-16-09, 04:32 PM
http://www.gemmzine.com
Go to Reviews > Artists reviews then the second page

RobbieRadio
07-16-09, 04:32 PM
Here is a corrected link:

http://www.gemmzine.com/j/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=136:buzzy-linhart-a-joe-viglione-on-jimi-hendrix&catid=31:artist-reviews&Itemid=28

The Earth Blues
07-16-09, 09:18 PM
It pains me to read this kinda stuff...

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-16-09, 09:35 PM
I don't really think he was killed.. He took to many sleeping pills, not knowing their strength, and was completely knocked out so when he started to vomit, he started to choke on the vomit.. Monika Dannelman in a panic poured red wine into him to trying to stop him from choking and when it didn't work she ran, Hence the door being open. This is the only thing I believe to be true... And it's only my opinion by all means.

RobbieRadio
07-17-09, 09:27 AM
I would agree that is most likely what happened. The simplest explanation is usually the least believed. We are so enamored with conspiracy theories that a common sense explanation is never accepted.

Pali Gap
07-17-09, 09:44 AM
I second that. Also think going to back M's was spur of moment thing just to get his guitar as he was meeting Mitch & Sly stone to jam.

Cool pic btw JU.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-17-09, 11:49 AM
I second that. Also think going to back M's was spur of moment thing just to get his guitar as he was meeting Mitch & Sly stone to jam.

Cool pic btw JU.Thanks. :wave: Eric Clapton had said that he had just bought Jimi a Lefty Stratocaster and was going to give it to him when he met him the next day. Maybe he was going to that same jam w/ Jimi. :)

purple jim
07-17-09, 12:50 PM
I don't really think he was killed.. He took to many sleeping pills, not knowing their strength, and was completely knocked out so when he started to vomit, he started to choke on the vomit.. Monika Dannelman in a panic poured red wine into him to trying and stop him from choking and when it did'nt work she ran, Hence the door being open. This is the only thing I believe to be true... And it's only my opinion by all means.

If it wasn't a murder by Jeffrey's heavies (or the CIA or aliens) then it all points to Danneman. However, if she tried to help Jimi by giving him red wine (already a bizarre thing to consider) this would not explain the quantity:

"Dr. Bannister reports that after the esophagus had been cleared, "masses" of red wine were "coming out of his nose and out of his mouth." The wine gushing up in great volume from Hendrix's lungs "is very vivid because you don't often see people who have drowned in their own red wine. He had something around him—whether it was a towel or a jumper—around his neck and that was saturated with red wine. His hair was matted."

So, if we stay with the Danneman theory, it would look more like she thrust the bottle into his mouth in a fit of rage, revenge and sheer cruelty with perhaps a deliberate intent to finish him off (the result of the evenings arguments). Then she came to her "senses", freaked out and fled after the clean-up of the flat.

The report about the guy on the sofa at Electric Lady Studios over hearing Jeffrey asking Danneman to kill Jimi seems pretty wild and there is nothing whatsoever to back it up. Do we know anything about any previous links between her and Jeffrey ?

63strat
07-17-09, 01:41 PM
Agreed as well on the simple explanation. A friend of mine from Germany told me he took three of those tablets of the same type sleeping pill "Vesperax" and he slept for days. Must be strong shit. So if he took supposedly nine.....
Accidental Suicide for sure. Clearly he had his head about him with music and work and all. Once again he needed a break from the biz and we'd probably still have him around to see in a vegas bar.

purple jim
07-17-09, 04:11 PM
The Vesperex is one thing but what about the wine ? Jimi drank it all earlier ? There wasn't much in his blood. It points to Danneman; at the flat.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-17-09, 05:42 PM
The Vesperex is one thing but what about the wine ? Jimi drank it all earlier ? There wasn't much in his blood. It points to Danneman; at the flat.I'm pretty sure Jimi hated red wine, so he did'nt drink it.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-17-09, 10:34 PM
Agreed as well on the simple explanation. A friend of mine from Germany told me he took three of those tablets of the same type sleeping pill "Vesperax" and he slept for days. Must be strong shit. So if he took supposedly nine.....
Accidental Suicide for sure. Clearly he had his head about him with music and work and all. Once again he needed a break from the biz and we'd probably still have him around to see in a vegas bar.Supposedly Nine vesperex is enough to intoxicate a herd of elephants. (H3man123 said that in a Youtube post)

63strat
07-17-09, 10:42 PM
Yea true that. umm not sure about the Red Wine thing myself cause all I know is from the very books talked about. He went to a party the night before right? It was a party that he didn't want Monica to go to because of the type of folks there? Or was it a real party. One thing I read one time was that the son of a Conservative Parliament member was at the party as well. Which was not well known until that member died some years ago. Only saying this cause maybe it'd been some bad press for that guy in Office. Can't remember his name. Read it in one of the guitar rags years ago. Anyone know about this? He certainly had his enemies like most controversial Rock Stars.But friends too in all walks of life.

But then Motley Crue can do a whole room full of coke and walk away. Life's just not fair.........Why couldn't someone cram red wine down their throats.hehehe JK

Herman Cherusken
07-17-09, 11:40 PM
Supposedly Nine vesperex is enough to intoxicate a herd of elephants. (H3man123 said that in a Youtube post)

The analogy that the amount would have incapacitated a herd of elephants was said as a "slight" exaggeration, to make it obvious how damn strong those Vesparax are. I have a buddy who was slightly stoned and a bit drunk who took one Vesparax while being alone at home in the 70s (and oblivious about what it was he took, more than it was some sort of sleeping pill), and he ended up on the kitchen floor, unable to move for hours, pissing and shitting himself. So if Jimi took 9 of those suckers by a mistake, believing they had the same strenght as the US version of the medication, as Buzzy Linhart points out in the link above, he was in for some serious problems:

"... he had called [Devon] the day or so before and told her that he had been up for days. He had talked to his doctor in New York City and the doctor said "You've got to get some sleep" - the doctor said "Do you want me to call in some sleeping pills for you to a doctor I know in London?" Jimi said" No, that's OK, there's Tuinols in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom here." They agreed that Jimi- having a great tolerance to this type of drug -would need to take 3 capsules. But this turned out to be the German Tuinols which were the EQUIVALENT of three a piece, so they turned out to have the potency of 9 capsules."

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So yeah, a mistake and not a suicide turned out to be fatal, aided with a little help by the Skater From Hell...

purple jim
07-18-09, 04:19 AM
In her book, Kathy Etchingham reports that Monika told her that when a first dose of Vesperex didin't seem to help Jimi to sleep, SHE gave him some more. She claimed that the three or four that Jimi took initially didn't work, which is obviously rubbish, seeing how powerful they really were. So she obviously invented all that.

Coming back to the wine, during the afternoon and evening, Jimi visited two partys or gatherings with aquaintancies. It is said that he left the first with two opened bottles of red wine. Presumably he had taken them to the second gathering, for everyone to share. Then there is the report that he and Monika bought a bottle of red and white wine for dinner at her flat. Just to say that there was a lot of wine passing through his hands that night. If Monika was really bugging him, this might have driven him to drink a certain volume, shortly before the lethal Vesperex dose.

Herman Cherusken
07-18-09, 08:04 AM
In her book, Kathy Etchingham reports that Monika told her that when a first dose of Vesperex didin't seem to help Jimi to sleep, SHE gave him some more. She claimed that the three or four that Jimi took initially didn't work, which is obviously rubbish, seeing how powerful they really were. So she obviously invented all that.

Dannemann conveniently committed suicide when her version(s) of the event was blown apart in a court case 1996 by Etchingham. 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mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> Dannemann published a book in 1995, The Inner World of Jimi Hendrix, in which she describes fantastic plans she and Hendrix had allegedly made to marry, to have a child, to live in Europe. He encouraged her painting, he telephoned her mother, he was concerned about her father, who she maintained had recently had a heart attack. She understood that they could not officially announce their wedding yet, since the press would surely challenge her father's recovery. On the cover and title page of her book she prefaced her name as author with: "by his fiancée."<o></o>

Most of Hendrix's close friends doubted that he would even consider marriage to Dannemann. Jimi proposed marriage on many a one-night stand, but it was understood to be essentially an amusing extension of/variation on a pickup line.
<o></o>
Dannemann's variances in her stories of Jimi's last days are now legend, and many of them have been completely discounted. Her statements at the inquest perhaps began these fictions. Researchers have pretty well established that Hendrix was not living with her at the Samarkand Hotel. He had no clothes there other than a headband, but his most important possession was there: his Fender Stratocaster. It has been established that he was changing clothes and taking meals at the Cumberland Hotel. He didn't often sleep there, but neither did he often stay at Monika's. <o>

</o> Another little-known piece of the puzzle that took years to surface concerned three people who encountered Jimi and Dannemann as they drove in traffic on the afternoon of September 17, hours before Hendrix would die under extremely mysterious circumstances. <o>

</o> Phillip Harvey was tooling along in his 1968 Mustang with two young and attractive teenagers in the front seat with him. The girls saw Jimi and waved, and Jimi waved back. They came up next to each other and got to chatting. Harvey invited Jimi to his home for a drink, and Jimi accepted, but first they followed him to the Cumberland Hotel, where Jimi got his messages, and then Jimi, with Monika driving, followed Harvey to his nearby home. <o>

</o> Monika parked her sports car in front of Harvey's fashionable town home. It was clear he was a wealthy young man of status. One of the young women was Anne Day, a redheaded Canadian folksinger of nineteen who was staying there with Phillip; the other one was Penny Ravenhill, who was sixteen. They were, according to Harvey, "very attractive in a natural kind of way, they were both wearing tight blue jeans without any makeup or adornment at all." Harvey contrasted their appearance by commenting that Dannemann appeared to be about thirty years of age, "an overly made-up lady with dyed blonde hair." <o>

</o> Harvey waited for more than twenty years before coming forward to recount Hendrix and Dannemann's visit to his home. The good scene turned ugly at the end with Monika becoming violently angry with Hendrix when he retired to a small room with one of the girls. Dannemann stormed out of the house, shouting loudly on the respectable street that Hendrix was a "fucking pig." Embarrassed, Jimi followed her out. She refused to return and Jimi came back inside to apologize profusely. He left and Harvey watched them drive off noting that the time of their departure was about 10:30 P.M. <o>

</o> Phillip Harvey, the son of the prominent politician Lord Harvey of Prestbury, a Conservative member of parliament, is nowadays known as the Honorable Phillip Harvey. He had remained silent about the encounter because of his family's prominence in public service. But after his father's death, in 1994, he felt it was all right to reveal this significant prelude to Hendrix's death. <o></o>

Dannemann maintained at the inquest and in statements to the public and to writers and others that after the encounter with Harvey, Anne, and Penny, she and Hendrix went to her hotel suite at the Samarkand. But others maintain that he went on to a party at the home of Peter Cameron very soon after the visit to Harvey's. He did not take Monika in with him. Devon was there; Stella and Alan Douglas; his old nemesis, Angie Burdon; and several others. Dannemann maintains that Jimi asked her to pick him up after a short time, but those at the party indicate that Jimi came, ate Chinese food, hung out, and was cool until sometime later when Dannemann began ringing him on the intercom. He put her off but she persisted by coming back in half an hour. This became a heated thing. Stella got on the intercom and was extremely rude to Monika. This did not put her off. Pretty soon, Angie recalled, guests were hanging out the window yelling at Monika. They cried, "Fuck off" and "Leave him alone," yet Dannemann persisted. Then finally he went to the intercom, mumbled something, and then without saying anything, just got into the elevator and split. "That was around three in the morning by then," according to Angie Burdon. This may have angered Dannemann all the more since Jimi had stayed so long at a party where she was not welcome, and in fact had been ridiculed, insulted, and cursed. <o></o>

Monika Dannemann turns out to be quite the mystery woman. There is little if any biographical information on her in England, the United States, or in Germany. She may or may not have been who she said she was. Suppressed information that has come to the fore provides a surprising turnaround from Dannemann's long-disputed versions of her story of Hendrix's last days. Also to consider are the various monumental motivations of the characters interacting with Hendrix during his last days. <o>

</o> Monika Dannemann is at the top of that monumental motivation list. Although maniacally opposed to any notion that she may have indeed been just another "groupie," Dannemann's suppressions tended to reinforce that notion of her own groupiedom. Other black musicians, such as Ram John Holder, Al <o></o>Anderson (lead guitarist with Bob Marley and the Wailers), and Jerome Rimson (the itinerant African-American bass player), all spoke of a close relationship with her before Hendrix came along. Her unrealistic fantasies of married life with Hendrix, and her great anger with him and the girls they encountered with Phillip Harvey, reveal an irrational, volatile, dangerous side to her carefully constructed image. Her struggle to express herself creatively and be validated seems to lie behind many of her public statements and actions. In fact, no one ever heard of her until Hendrix died in her bed." <o></o>

purple jim
07-18-09, 08:47 AM
"This may have angered Dannemann all the more since Jimi had stayed so long at a party where she was not welcome, and in fact had been ridiculed, insulted, and cursed."

These reports seem to paint a picture of a very possessive and jealous woman who had uncontrollably fallen for Jimi during their brief encounter (had they met before September 1970 ?).
Would this crazed jealousy drive her to punish Jimi by leaving him to ingest the Vesperex when she must have been aware of their potency. Did the jealous rage push her futher, to ram a wine bottle into his throat as he lay, completely numbed by the Vesperex overdose ?
As said above, we now little about her. She might have had a severe mental disordrer.
Kathy Etchingham and friends found her to be pretty whacky (as detailed in Kathy's book).

Herman Cherusken
07-18-09, 10:09 AM
If Im not mistaken, Jimi met Monika after the Frankfurt show 1969-01-17 for the first time, and I think it was in Shapiro's Electric Gypsy it was stated that Jimi frequently used temporary girlfriends and their flats as hideouts as means to get away from reporters and hangers-on for some privacy, and my impression is that that was the role Monika played. And as a tactical move - or for whatever other reason - he'd promised to marry at least 3 different woman in the months prior to his death...

johanincr
07-18-09, 10:50 AM
(had they met before September 1970 ?).


afaik they first met in Dusseldorf, Germany on 12 jan 1969

http://i443.photobucket.com/albums/qq160/johanincr/mj.jpg

purple jim
07-18-09, 12:31 PM
Thanks.
(Creepy photo !).

MourningStar
07-18-09, 03:06 PM
Supposedly Nine vesperex is enough to intoxicate a herd of elephants.If true then suicide is most reasonable - choking on vomit only brought death sooner. Did toxicology analysis confirm 9 vesperax in his system?

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-18-09, 03:19 PM
http://www.jimmccluskey.com/hendrix.html

^ tells her story and etc.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-18-09, 03:20 PM
"A normal dose of the downers would have been just half a pill. The girlfriend claimed she took one pill; after Hendrix’s death an autopsy showed he had swallowed nine, 18 times more than recommended. The autopsy also revealed “massive” quantities of red wine not only in his stomach, but in his lungs. The quantity and combination likely would have proved fatal had he not first suffocated on the wine and his own vomit." From the article. So the autopsy did confirm it.

MourningStar
07-18-09, 05:03 PM
Well, it amazes me that suicide was not eventually confirmed. Knowing what 9 vesperax are capable of seals it, no? I can't believe British medical officials were this incompetent NOT to have determined so fundamental a conclusion. The only way it seems it could NOT be suicide is if the drugs were physically forced into his system.

scoutship
07-18-09, 05:07 PM
"A normal dose of the downers would have been just half a pill. The girlfriend claimed she took one pill; after Hendrix’s death an autopsy showed he had swallowed nine, 18 times more than recommended. The autopsy also revealed “massive” quantities of red wine not only in his stomach, but in his lungs. The quantity and combination likely would have proved fatal had he not first suffocated on the wine and his own vomit." From the article. So the autopsy did confirm it.


Yeah there is no doubt about the amount in his system, also someone a couple few years ago did a detailed report on the potency of the stuff based on interviews with some medicos.

So I'll play along. How easy would it have been to dissolve 7 or 8 of them in a drink? A glass of red wine, say?

Also it's always seemed kind of peculiar to me that he kept with her for the subsequent meets after her screwball tantrum at the first one.

None of which proves a darned thing, of course, except that she might have done something very very stupid.

She was somewhat well known, though, at least earlier on, in the European skating world. I have the pic from Life magazine of her at age 16 with three other up & coming skaters.

And though likely coaxed---hmmm---Jimi did add a note to that postcard postmarked Sept 17 (but written the same day? hmmm) and there is that---faked, most likely, according to Kathy E---piece of paper in Jimi's handwriting (a composite?) that says, with the arrow drawn, Monica my wife (paraphrasing from recall, haven't looked at it in awhile).

So many odd-shaped puzzle pieces.

scoutship
07-18-09, 05:10 PM
p.s. oh and as for that "scarf or something" thing around his neck mentioned by the ambulance drivers, look at the pics taken in the garden 9/17---he's probably wearing it right there.

In fact those may be most of the clothes he would die in a just a few hours later, by his routine the "evening" of that "afternoon/morning".

Speculation, but even so...Strange stuff.

scoutship
07-18-09, 05:15 PM
The only way it seems it could NOT be suicide is if the drugs were physically forced into his system.


Many other possibilities. He could've just been that buzzed and forgotten he'd already taken some when he swallowed a couple more, eg.

There's fuel for almost any scenario or "conspiracy theory" anyone wants to believe. But according to the totality of the evidence, and not just from that day, suicide seems by far the least likely prospect.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-18-09, 05:16 PM
So I'll play along. How easy would it have been to dissolve 7 or 8 of them in a drink? A glass of red wine, say?Well I don't think Jimi would have rejected a glass of wine that was handed to him being his polite nature

MourningStar
07-18-09, 05:35 PM
He could've just been that buzzed and forgotten he'd already taken some when he swallowed a couple more, eg. This scenario leads me to believe the vesper-whatevers were not as potent as earlier claimed ("herd of elephants"), in Jimi's case, so, yeah, many never-to-be settled, possibilities.

scoutship
07-18-09, 05:41 PM
This scenario leads me to believe the vesper-whatevers were not as potent as earlier claimed ("herd of elephants"), in Jimi's case, so, yeah, many never-to-be settled, possibilities.

Yeah, hard to say, maybe the first ones simply hadn't kicked in yet, I've done exactly that kind of thing with aspirin and vitamins, though, very tired and a lot on my mind and trying to dot all the i's before heading out again or just going to bed, going for the same dose again mere minutes after having already done so.

If she had, hypothetically, wanted to nail his butt down for the night with a spiked drink, say, good chance she may have heard about his legendary resistance to normal person's tolerances and was trying to make sure.

We just don't have enough facts. Frustrating as that is.

MourningStar
07-18-09, 06:23 PM
The potency/dosage content is critical, even with a tolerance build up. In 1969 I first did LSD. First time, nice! Weeks later did another one, same kind. The trip was so intense I could neither walk or talk. End of LSD for me. I was in Germany in 1972 and was introduced to a substance known as mandrax. Was told it was the happening thing. I took one and got a real nice, tho heavy buzz. Some weeks later I did another one and passed out within minutes and slept for about 16 hours. Never again, end of mandrax but not end of lesson. Years later it happened again with Angel Dust. First time was cool, next time I was on the floor. Lessoned learned, end of drugs for me. One never knows what's in those things and is the only reason I quit drugs. I was fortunate and lived to tell about it.

purple jim
07-19-09, 03:03 AM
Hang on dont forget these important details from the Linhart interveiw:

I picked up the telephone on the receptionist's desk and it was Dolly Dagger (Devon Wilson) telling me I had to believe her. What she told me was that Jimi had called her the day or so before and told her that he had been up for days. He had talked to his doctor in New York City and the doctor said "You've got to get some sleep" - the doctor said "Do you want me to call in some sleeping pills for you to a doctor I know in London?" Jimi said" No, that's OK, there's Tuinols in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom here." They agreed that Jimi- having a great tolerance to this type of drug -would need to take 3 capsules. But this turned out to be the German Tuinols which were the EQUIVALENT of three a piece, so they turned out to have the potency of 9 capsules." (It's been reported by Sharon Lawrence that Jimi took 9 capsules, but what he took was the German equivalent of nine capsules - and Monika must have known this. If she wasn't sure she should have said something.)

From Wikipedia:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3426/tuinaldoj.jpg (http://img6.imageshack.us/i/tuinaldoj.jpg/)
"Tuinal is the brand name of a combination drug composed of two barbiturate salts (secobarbital sodium and amobarbital sodium) in equal proportions."

"Vesparax is a combination tablet containing 50 mg brallobarbital, 150 mg secobarbital and 50 mg hydroxyzine. This drug has been withdrawn from the market in most countries."


There is also the report that he mistakenly took "sleepers" when he had asked for "leapers" at the noisy party earlier in the evening.

purple jim
07-19-09, 08:54 AM
If we are to take Devon's account as being factual, Jimi's doctor (no idea who that was) gave Jimi the go ahead to take three Tuinals.
So if the doctor said it was OK to take three, the normal dose was probably one or two ! I can't beleive that it was the equivalent of 9 Vesparex which is rockoned to be a near lethal dose.
There is confusion here. So did Jimi in fact take 9 Tuinals in the end ?

The medical report found barbiturates in his blood which was from the Tuinals (3 or 9 ?) plus perhaps the "sleepers" that some musician claimed someone had told him Jimi had taken.

The world is talking "9 pills" and this comes only from Danneaman's statement that she had four boxes of 10 pills and that 9 were taken from one box. Are we supposed to take Danneman's word for this ?

There is simply not enough reliable evidence to come to a conclusion.

cleanuponaisle76
07-19-09, 02:45 PM
^finally somebody who uses critical thinking.

I don't really think he was killed.. He took to many sleeping pills, not knowing their strength, and was completely knocked out so when he started to vomit, he started to choke on the vomit.. Monika Dannelman in a panic poured red wine into him to trying to stop him from choking and when it didn't work she ran, Hence the door being open. This is the only thing I believe to be true... And it's only my opinion by all means.
I don't really follow, because you say you don't subscribe to the "Jimi was killed" notion, but then you say your personal belief is Monika was responsible for the death and drowned his airways.

....isn't that the same thing? whether Mike hired mob men to hold and pour wine down Jimi's lungs, or Monika simply panicked, killing is killing.

Jimi was killed in either scenario.....motivations and presence of malicious intent is a different story, but either way, Jimi died at the fault of somebody else and seems to have been "killed".

that being said, Hendrix evidently had only 46mgs of blood-alc. content, therefore the "vomiting wine" theory is bunk....because to vomit wine, you must first ingest it.

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
07-19-09, 02:54 PM
....isn't that the same thing? whether Mike hired mob men to hold and pour wine down Jimi's lungs, or Monika simply panicked, killing is killing.
The intent is the difference. Monika didn't want him dead she was trying stop him from choking. And how could jeffery get in Monika's apartment with Monika there and have Monika just watch Jimi die. And what could you have really done at that point anyway, Jimi (if even wake) could'nt move and the paramedics couldn't have done much being as by the time they got there he would have most likely been dead. We'll never really know, btw purplejim nice info. :)

purple jim
07-19-09, 03:42 PM
Coming back again the call from Devon to Linhart, Jimi said "Tuinals" but he might have had Vesparex in his hand, recognised the ingredients and just called them Tuinals because that was the brand he was familiar with. This would have rendered "the doctor's" advice rather innacurate. Did Jimi take a few more tablets afterwards ? There is nothing to confirm that.

Herman Cherusken
07-19-09, 03:42 PM
"Vesperax is unusually strong; one pill is a barbiturate equivalent of 200 milligrams -- with 150 milligrams of quinalbarbitone, a quick inducer of sleep, and 50 milligrams of brallobarbitone, which as an intermediate induces a longer sleep. It also contains an antihistamine of 39 milligrams of hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate.

Author Tony Brown points out, "The normal recommended dose of half a tablet of Vesperax would induce an eight-hour sleep for a normal man weighing one hundred sixty pounds. If Monika had taken one of these sleeping tablets, as she had stated -- which would be twice the stated dose -- on top of drinking so much red wine earlier in the evening, it would be nigh on impossible for her to wake up early and refreshed after only having three hours of sleep."

Does the content of Jimi's blood as determined from the autopsy indicate his having taken nine pills? And does the alcohol content of his liver and urine indicate the vast amounts of wine exuding from his orifices? His blood "Ethanol was at not more than 5 mgs percent. Extractions revealed a mixture of barbiturates consistent with those from Vesperax. The amount calculated as quinalbarbitone is 0.7 mgs percent." There was also 1.3 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his blood and 3.9 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his liver. His liver extractions also revealed properties consistent with those of brallobarbitone. Quinalbarbitone in the blood was at 3.9 mgs percent. The search for toxic drugs failed to reveal any hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate. A mysterious compound was isolated, which they said "might be a metabolite," and was found not only in the liver but in the urine as well, where there was a 46 mgs level of alcohol. It was thought "the blood-alcohol level was probably at 100 mgs at the time when he took the Vesperax." There was also brallobarbitone and amphetamine "easily detectable" in the urine."

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cleanuponaisle76
07-19-09, 05:17 PM
The intent is the difference. Monika didn't want him dead she was trying stop him from choking. And how could jeffery get in Monika's apartment with Monika there and have Monika just watch Jimi die. And what could you have really done at that point anyway, Jimi (if even wake) could'nt move and the paramedics couldn't have done much being as by the time they got there he would have most likely been dead. We'll never really know, btw purplejim nice info. :)
I understand that much, but I was just saying that it appears that Jimi was killed. Dolphins have hurt humans trying to play with them, doesn't mean that the proof isn't in the pudding.
I was just discussing things from a semantics point of view. for me though, the evidence shows that Jimi was killed and would not have died if he was left alone.

I thought he died in the basement of a London hotel? (which is another point....why was perhaps the worlds biggest music star cooped in the basement of a decent hotel?) I don't believe Danneman owned it or was renting it.

the feelings that the circumstances of the happenings of Jimi's death give me are really negative and I just get a vibe of malintent....

maybe you're right. we'll find out soon, if not in this dimension a different one.

63strat
07-20-09, 12:47 AM
So there you go.. all makes sense to me now. Been in similar relationships with women and had to deal with that. Don't doubt that Monica was a Psycho Circus of some degree. The Psycho Circus I dated was at least a nurse (which coulda been worse I guess couldn't it). Jealousy is a deadly thing. Dealt with it in other parts of Life as well (My Brother) That's why I'm so married to my 63 Strat. hehehe Folks egging her on at the Party didn't help none But Jimi woulda obviously been suited better to stay at the party.Or go jam at a studio. Even ol' Ed Chalpin woulda been better company. He loved Kathy and it broke his heart when she Married another.Monica was fill dirt.hehe

In the end it's just to say that we all miss him so and his creative soul. May he RIP

63strat
07-20-09, 01:06 AM
I can buy the Jealousy thing for me. Although it was also irresponsibility on Monica's part. She was a dumb skater from hell apparently with a subscription,not just issue's.

Accidental death due to peoples own selfishness and irresponsibility. Doctor needed to give Jimi a visit and prescribe him exactly what he needed. Simple rest and the basic needs woulda gone a long way. Not a tiring tour of Europe and the Isle of Wight. If you're hung up on the murder theory that much then you're not listening to the folks who knew him and knew the situations first hand.They had a fight about Jimi coming home to be with "ONLY HER" and she obviously had a prob with him being himself. But Jimi was an insomniac probably cause he was up all nights working in studios so much. Playing late gigs,jet lag,you name it. He'd eventually got some sleep but didn't need a nag. Nobody needs that regardless who they are.

Ayler
07-20-09, 06:18 AM
Doctor who tried to save Jimi Hendrix says murder claim plausible

The doctor who attempted to revive Jimi Hendrix on the night that the guitarist died believes that it is “plausible” that he was murdered.

John Bannister said that medical evidence was consistent with claims in a book that Hendrix was killed on the orders of his manager, Mike Jeffery.

James “Tappy” Wright, a former road manager who worked for Jeffery, writes in his new memoir, Rock Roadie, that in the early hours of September 18, 1970, a gang hired by Jeffery broke into the London hotel room where Hendrix was staying with his girlfriend, Monika Dannemann, and forced sleeping pills and wine down his throat until he drowned.

Mr Bannister was the on-call registrar at the now defunct St Mary Abbots Hospital in Kensington on the morning that Hendrix was brought in. He had no idea who the famous patient was but remembers that he was “very long”. Mr Bannister, 67, speaking at his home in Sydney, said: “He was hanging over the table we had him on by about ten inches.”

It was apparent from the start that Hendrix had probably arrived too late for the medical staff to save him. “When you are in casualty, one always tries very hard to resuscitate people. There’s always a hope. We worked very hard for about half an hour but there was no response at all. It really was an exercise in futility,” said Mr Bannister. “Somebody said to me ‘You know who that was?. That was Jimi Hendrix’ and, of course, I said, ‘Who’s Jimi Hendrix?’.”

Mr Wright’s descrïption of what had happened to Hendrix “sounded plausible because of the volume of wine”, Mr Bannister said. What struck him most about the unusually tall patient was that he was drenched in alcohol. “The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary. Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine. I have never seen so much wine. We had a sucker that you put down into his trachea, the entrance to his lungs and to the whole of the back of his throat.

“We kept sucking him out and it kept surging and surging. He had already vomited up masses of red wine and I would have thought there was half a bottle of wine in his hair. He had really drowned in a massive amount of red wine.” According to the conventional account, Hendrix — one of the most charismatic guitarists in the history of rock — died at the age of 27 from choking on vomit after a drugs overdose. Wright, now 65, has stirred conspiracy theorists and Hendrix obsessives around the world with his alternative account of the guitarist’s demise. He claims that Jeffery confessed the murder to him a month before he died in an aircraft collision.

Dannemann, an ice-skating instructor-turned-drug addict, who many people suspected knew more about Hendrix’s death than she let on, committed suicide in 1996.

Wright contends that Jeffery, his old boss, was “a dangerous man” who had been in the Secret Service and flaunted his connections with organised crime. By 1970 he was heavily in debt and had fallen out with his star act who may have been looking to change management and whose behaviour had become increasingly erratic as his drug taking reached uncontrolled levels.

In response Jeffery allegedly took out a $2 million life insurance policy on the guitarist. According to Wright, Jeffery told him that Hendrix was “worth more to him dead than alive”.

Mr Bannister returned to Australia in 1972 and practised as an orthopaedic surgeon until 1992, when he was deregistered in New South Wales for fraudulent conduct.

Source: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6719597.ece

purple jim
07-20-09, 06:43 AM
So, obviously a murder. Certainly NOT comitted by a Jeffrey hit team I'd say, it was such a messy unprofessional job ! Drowning someone in red wine leaves it blatantly obvious that it was murder. It does look more like a fit of insanity from the deranged Danneman, who fled the scene before the ambulance arrived and later invented the "9 Vesparex" story.

Herman Cherusken
07-20-09, 06:51 AM
John Bannister: “The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary. Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine. I have never seen so much wine... He had already vomited up masses of red wine and I would have thought there was half a bottle of wine in his hair."

Half a bottle in his hair alone, and lungs and stomach full of it! Seems to have been a lot, lot more wine than I thought, and the large amounts sounds really suspicious. Could Dannemann have done this on her own out of jealousy (or due to whatever reason), or was there actually other outside foul play involved, hmm...

Burdon and Stickels are still alive and are believed to have been in the apartment (Burdon on his own admission) before the ambulance finally was called for and Jimi was taken to hospital, about 5-6 hours too late. I'd say, bring them in and muscle them a bit...

stplsd
07-20-09, 07:06 AM
John Bannister: “The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary. Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine. I have never seen so much wine... He had already vomited up masses of red wine and I would have thought there was half a bottle of wine in his hair."

...

This most recent estimate by Bannister appears to be a significant exaggeration of his original statement a number of years ago. Also intersting to find out from the above that he was struck off for fraud! This does bring into question his original statement, especially as the ambulance men or other at the scene said his throat was blocked with dried vomit. As the brain rapidly & irreparably dies from lack of oxgen, attempting to revive someone after this length of time would appear to be not only futile but extremely un-ethical. This statement just appears to be far too convenient for certain people?

Herman Cherusken
07-20-09, 07:12 AM
Same publication as in Aylers post: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article6719597.ece

stplsd
07-20-09, 07:22 AM
^
thanks, I just realised that and changed my post accordingly

Ayler
07-20-09, 07:28 AM
This most recent estimate by Bannister appears to be a significant exaggeration of his original statement a number of years ago. Also intersting to find out from the above that he was struck off for fraud! This does bring into question his original statement, especially as the ambulance men or other at the scene said his throat was blocked with dried vomit. As the brain rapidly & irreparably dies from lack of oxgen, attempting to revive someone after this length of time would appear to be not only futile but extremely un-ethical. This statement just appears to be far too convenient for certain people?
Try to resuscitate someone that's obviously dead, for half an hour, seemed very strange indeed.

Ayler
07-20-09, 07:31 AM
Burdon and Stickels are still alive and are believed to have been in the apartment (Burdon on his own admission) before the ambulance finally was called for and Jimi was taken to hospital, about 5-6 hours too late. I'd say, bring them in and muscle them a bit...
Stickels says that when he got to the hospital, he was not sure he'll find Jimi until he recognize his body.

RobbieRadio
07-20-09, 09:28 AM
Try to resuscitate someone that's obviously dead, for half an hour, seemed very strange indeed.

As the ambulance drivers have stated: At the time only a Doctor could declare a patient dead. Even it is obvious the person is dead, emergency personnel were still required to provide resuscitated treatment until the Doctor made the offcial determination of death at the hospital.

purple jim
07-20-09, 09:42 AM
Burdon and Stickels are still alive and are believed to have been in the apartment (Burdon on his own admission) before the ambulance finally was called for and Jimi was taken to hospital

Can you clarify this. What is the source of this crucial information ?

Herman Cherusken
07-20-09, 10:41 AM
Can you clarify this. What is the source of this crucial information ?

"Years later, in 1986, Burdon published his memoir, I Used to Be an Animal but I'm All Right Now, and made some pretty serious admissions. He stated that he had answered Monika's telephone call as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window." He called her back to make sure she had called the ambulance. "She said, 'I can't have people around here now, there's all kinds of stuff [drugs] in the house.'" He states that he caught a minicab to the hotel shortly afterward. This is an admission that he had met Dannemann at the Samarkand rather than at the hospital. Dannemann maintained that Burdon's recollection was unreliable because he was still under the influence of drugs. But from his account and other interviews with him, this event sobered him up and woke him up completely. He quickly became aware of how bad it could be.

Dannemann's story is dependent on a time line that does not implicate her in Hendrix's death (she had been accused of waiting too long to call the ambulance). Burdon's statement that the time was at "first light," or around dawn, 7:00 A.M., when he first talked to Dannemann about Jimi's being in danger, makes the time consistent with the doctor's statement that Jimi had been dead for hours by the time he arrived at the hospital just before 11:30 A.M.

Five years later, in 1991, in a conversation with Kathy Etchingham, he seemed to have thrown all previous caution to the wind. Burdon stated, "It was early morning when I got the call, in fact, I thought it was earlier than early morning. I thought it was like in the early hours." He reiterated that he yelled and screamed for Dannemann to get an ambulance and those screams happened "on more than one occasion." He thought she was stalling because of being frozen with fear of being implicated and even prosecuted for drugs (the police report noted how "smartly clean" the premises were). Burdon, thinking that she would not call for help until the place was clean, went over there to take care of that business. "When I arrived there [at the Samarkand], I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me."


Terry Slater, a former Animal employee, was also there. He told Earth magazine in December of 1970, "I had been at the flat [the Samarkand Hotel suite] on Thursday night, and although he [Jimi] wasn't happy, it was impossible to envisage what was going to happen." He would make a statement to Scotland Yard in 1992 to the effect that he had been at the Samarkand that morning and had helped clean up "the mess." For some reason he stated that "there was no food whatsoever in the flat and no evidence any had been cooked."


Slater was the one who had phoned Gerry Stickells between 8:00 A.M. and 9:00 A.M. in the first place to tell him there was a problem with Jimi at the hotel. Stickells had been delayed because he went at first to the Cumberland Hotel suite where Jimi was registered.


Eric Burdon went to the Samarkand Hotel and helped Monika clean up before the ambulance was called. They would clean the place of drugs and paraphernalia. Other sources said that some stuff was buried in the garden. Keith Altham, the journalist, has mentioned in a documentary that "Eric Burdon supposedly hoovered the place and got rid of drugs and things, in which case the ambulance was delayed before it got there."


Author Tony Brown adds to Burdon's and Slater's statements. In one of the many interviews he conducted with Monika Dannemann, before and after Etchingham's conversation with Eric Burdon, she mentioned that Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett -- both road managers of Hendrix in Jeffery's employ -- were also in the flat that morning, possibly before the ambulance was called. "Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett, they took some of Jimi's stuff. Mainly, like messages, that kind of stuff. That was funny, that was so strange. They were only interested in all messages Jimi had received. Clotheswise they didn't bother at all. And the guitar, that was one of the things they wanted to take. I explained to them that in 1969 Jimi said to me, if ever he would not come back I could have his guitar. And I told them this, and Gerry Stickells still wanted to take it away from me, and I was completely in tears, naturally, not because of the guitar but because of the whole, you know, what happened. And it was Eric Barrett who sort of said to Gerry Stickells, let her have it."


It's possible they knew he was dead before the ambulance was called. If he was still alive they would have understood that their delay could have been a factor in his death. The doctors in the hospital emergency room (who ought to know) noted that Jimi Hendrix had been dead a long time. Although no one claimed to have checked Hendrix's life signs before the ambulance arrived, there is an implication that he was dead. That means that Dannemann, Slater, Bridges, Burdon, and possibly others may have had some idea of how Hendrix died, or at least more than is commonly known."

The quote taken from the Prologue to David Henderson's revised book 'Scuse Me While I Kiss The Sky (2008). You really should take the time to read through it all, as it contains many intricate and startling details: http://www.simonandschuster.net/content/book.cfm?pid=515076&tab=1&agid=2

Burdon states: "When I arrived there [at the Samarkand], I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me." This means that he had a loook at Hendrix although he didnt want to, and logically speaking he was clearly there before the ambulance arrived, as when the paramedics arrived they had the police called to the place and all their statements boils down to the fact that no one was around but them when they got there and had Jimi taken to the hospital. So the cleaning of the place, where a number of people took part, was done before the telephone call for an ambulace and them arriving to the scene.

scoutship
07-20-09, 10:50 AM
It's so tempting to conjecture but so very easy to read things into it that just aren't really there.

Bannister never witnessed the actual scene, for example. And in spite of the horrific mess, neither the ambulance men nor the policeman who did noted any reason to suspect foul play. Which leads back into that endless loop as we wonder what the "clean up team" did, or who may have been there (note what Kathy has said eg) while Jimi was still alive and presumably (?) fine.

More than once over the decades, as new tidbits of evidence or info trickled in, a few friends and I have given it a serious go, to the point of asking a couple detectives & etc.

There are at least 40-50 possible plausible scenarios, depending which facts or hearsay one wants to emphasize, how one wants to frame Monika's role (stupid innocent who stormed out while Jimi was still alive, panicked 25-yr-old who heard him choking and...what? And etc & so on) let alone how one attempts to fill in the gaps with as-real-life-plausible-as-possible speculation.

It's even interesting to look at all we know through the hypothetical backwards lens of Jimi having barely survived, whether having made a miraculous recovery or potentially even suffering brain damage. How much would even he have been able to remember about that night/morning?

Clearly there is some key fact, facts, or information missing that would make it possible to account for all the "evidence" et al we think we know about. But nothing Kathy was told by the people who claimed to've been there seems to be that key. And Monika is still dead.

Unless something smoking-gun-like turns up in Burdon's, or someone's, private papers or whatever at some point, the fact is that we will likey never have the necessary key facts to knowing what really happened. I mean, think of the shock of discovering someone among those present or involved had actually snapped a photo of the death scene for some reason; stranger things have happened, as vanishingly unrealistic as this possibility is.

And make no mistake, it very well could have been simply a terrible terrible accident and nothing more.

Personally, my last two cents on the subject. But have at it, lol.

scoutship
07-20-09, 10:56 AM
p.s.


Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett -- both road managers of Hendrix in Jeffery's employ -- were also in the flat that morning, possibly before the ambulance was called.Well but how early? There are several photos of Eric escorting a bundled-up & wearing dark sunglasses Monika from the hotel and getting into the car (most of which I've never seen published or posted elsewhere, collector's got 'em, maybe someone here too?), some were published in one of the less-usually-referenced books, haven't scoped them in some time maybe it's Moriarty's?


edit: Nope, Moriarty only prints one.

purple jim
07-20-09, 11:15 AM
All that wine didn't accidentally get into Jimi's lungs and it didn't come from his stomach. He didn't vomit food and then start vomitting wine that he had very recently downed.
It must have been obvious to all those present that Jimi was plainly "dead" (no pulse, no breathing), so they carried on cleaning without trying to give mouth to mouth (or maybe someone had tried ?). Speculation.
If Monika is to be cleared, then the murder happened while she supposedly went out for cigarettes. But again, a professional hit team would have made it look like a rock star heroin overdose rather than the clumsy, messy drowning in wine.

scoutship
07-20-09, 11:32 AM
If Monika is to be cleared, then the murder happened while she supposedly went out for cigarettes. But again, a professional hit team would have made it look like a rock star heroin overdose rather than the clumsy, messy drowning in wine.


Yeah, no bias there. ;)

Ayler
07-20-09, 11:45 AM
Yazid Manou posted Caesar Glebbeek's answer about Times article (Was Jimi Hendrix murdered?) on my french forum. Here it is:


The Times
July 4, 2009


"Was Jimi Hendrix murdered?"
By Michael Jeffery Nope. Show me any EVIDENCE.
Checked Jeffery's passport to see in which country he was on 18-09-70?

Explain: how did the "murderer(s)" knew where Jimi was staying?
Jimi's management did not even know that Jimi was at the Samarkand Hotel that day as he was officially booked into the Cumberland Hotel. Hence when Gerry Stickells heard about ³some trouble with Jimi² on 18-09-70, he went straight to the Cumberland...

"James "Tappy" Wright, a former road manager..."
Fact: Wright acted as a roadie (during the JH period); thus jumping gear, driving people around, and acting as teaboy for Jeffery's management firm.

"Hendrix, according to Wright, did not die accidentally in the early hours of September 18, 1970, from choking on his own vomit after a drugs overdose. Instead he was murdered by a ruthless gang who burst into the London hotel room of his girlfriend, Monika Dannemann, and forced sleeping pills and wine down his throat until he drowned."
Explain: where was Monika Dannemann when all that took place?
Explain: how did the "murderer(s)" get into the hotel?
Explain: where are the signs of a struggle in the flat?

"Levine has sent Wright a letter. I'm so glad you honoured the truth," he wrote, instead of all that regurgitated s*** that comes out."
Fact: Levine has an agenda; he is a close buddy (and business partner) of Wright.
Fact: Levine does not remember a single bit of detail from the Hendrix period * his memory is totally gone.

"Chandler, reveals Wright for the first time, was livid with Hendrix for bedding his wife)."
Such claims are very easy to make when all people concerned are dead.
Even if true, it takes two to tango!
Fact: Chandler saw Jimi several times after he stopped being his co-manager.
Fact: Jimi talked business with Chandler in September 1970.
Explain: why would Chandler still meet up and talk to Jimi after "bedding his wife"?

[Monika Dannemann] 'turned drug-taker...'
False.

"And he put us on to a vital witness."
"A vital witness" to what?

"Alan Douglas was Hendrix's friend and producer during the Electric Lady sessions."
False. Fact: Douglas did produce a few studio jams with Jimi sitting in as guest in late 1969 but did produce nothing for Jimi during his EL sessions in the summer of 1970.

"The medical evidence is at least consistent with Hendrix having been murdered."
Eh? Read the autopsy report.
Explain: where are the "two bottles" of wine in Jimi's body?
Explain: where are signs of a struggle on Jimi¹s body? (Jimi was a lean, healthy, and strong man.)
Explain: why would Jimi allow pills and wine forced down his your throat without putting up some sort of a fight (big or small)?

"Either way, what Hendrix's death amply demonstrates, as Michael Jackson's death will continue to do for the next 40 years, is the public's boundless fascination with their too-mortal gods...'
Your The Times article did exactly that, too: throwing fuel on the conspiracy-fire when there isn't a single bit of EVIDENCE to support that Michael Jeffery had anything to do with the death of Jimi Hendrix.

(...)

If people want to find out who was likely "responsible" for Jimi's death (not that it matters much after nearly 40 years imo), your article pointed them in the wrong direction altogether.

Caesar Glebbeek

purple jim
07-20-09, 12:53 PM
I don't really buy the hired killers theory but staying with that for a moment, they could have followed Jimi or even picked up his trace at Peter Cameron's party where Devon and Alan Douglas were waiting for him. They could have then followed Jimi to the Samarkand then moved in when Monika nipped out for cigarettes.
Her panicked reactions as related by Burdon sounds pretty genuine (if what he recounted is indeed the truth). Then again she could have been in panic with the relisation of what she had done to Jimi.

scoutship
07-20-09, 01:41 PM
All that wine didn't accidentally get into Jimi's lungs


You're just hellbent on not considering ALL the possibilities. So, whatever.

Any credible "theory" must account for the totality of evidence, not just cherry-pick from it.

RobbieRadio
07-20-09, 02:06 PM
Informantion on Alcohol Absorption rate.

http://www.forcon.ca/learning/alcohol.html

purple jim
07-20-09, 04:22 PM
You're just hellbent on not considering ALL the possibilities. So, whatever.
Any credible "theory" must account for the totality of evidence, not just cherry-pick from it.

I don't agree, the wine in his lungs has to be singled out, as it is crucial in trying to assertain what went on.
Is this a credible "theory" :

Danneman had been extremely aggressive to Jimi during the evening and had been coldly rejected by Jimi and insulted by his friends. Jimi had told her that he wished to marry her but he had done this before with other women, in his complex games of seduction and jealousy. Jimi perhaps told her that the marriage was off, driving Monika into even further rage back at the Samarkand. Jimi perhaps only went back there to retreive his favourite guitar in the early hours of the morning and ended up slumping down, fully clothed, after taking three Vesparex pills (the normal dose being half a tablet). As he lay, heavily sedated, the deranged (schitzophrenic ?) Danneman lost control of herself and forced a wine bottle into Jimi's throat. She was a sportswoman and perhaps strong enough to restrain the unconscious Jimi's weakened attempts to resist (thanks to all the drug taking and drinking).
She came to her senses, realised what she had done and then fled in a panic. She soon returned and phoned Eric Burdon with the pre-prepared story that Jimi had taken 9 Vesparex tablets (she later changed her story saying that she had given them to him !).

stplsd
07-20-09, 04:46 PM
As the ambulance drivers have stated: At the time only a Doctor could declare a patient dead. Even it is obvious the person is dead, emergency personnel were still required to provide resuscitated treatment until the Doctor made the offcial determination of death at the hospital.

I was reffering to Dr Bannister. The emergency personnel would include - I would hope - at least one doctor. The doctor in charge would determine whether or not to stop treatment, at whatever time he/she felt fit. the ambulance men stated that it was impossible to shift the dried mess in his airway.

stplsd
07-20-09, 04:48 PM
There is nothing odd about someone who is intoxicated, by whatever means, in inhaling liquid they have regurgitated to the point of suffocation, in fact it is quite common. According to the doctors consulted, or quoted by Tony Brown the amount of barbs in Jimi's system was consistent with the amount quoted by Danemann, nowhere does it say exactly, this amount would be ample to stop the gag/cough reflex, if not actually kill him on it's own. the amount of alcohol in his system has been quoted as being over the limit for a drunk driving charge. No one has actually bothered to explain in clear terms what the autopsy figures for the drugs and alcohol quoted in Tony Brown's book mean, as it's not clear if they are US or UK measurements, they appear to be a misleading mix of both. The wine in Jimi's hair and "scarf" can easily be explained by him spilling the bottle as he crashed. He could have lain with his head in a puddle of wine, never mind the vomit. it doesn't take very much liquid to drown. Liquid doesn't immediately leave the stomach upon drinking, it takes a while, especially, I would assume, if the system is already slowed with tiredness, smoking dope and drinking red wine etc since at least the early evening. Police methods were very different in those days. No obvious signs of a crime scene, just another celeb/drug taking hippie/black musician OD'd on downers. Well, there wouldn't be any signs of anything anyway, as by several testemonies there had been a number of people cleaning up "the mess" and removing anything of Jimi's, although there doesn't appear to have been much to remove apart from 'The Story of Life' lyrics/poem which she took, and his guitar, which Danemann reportedly persuaded Eric Barrett & Gerry to let her keep. Vesparax are not 'European Tuinal' they were prescribed in the UK at the same time as Vesperax were. Tuinal contains (secobarbital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secobarbital) sodium and amobarbital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amobarbital) sodium) in equal proportions. Vesparax contains 150 mg secobarbital (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secobarbital), 50 mg brallobarbital and 50 mg hydroxyzine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyzine). So quite different really, but both have been the cause of many deaths.

scoutship
07-20-09, 05:54 PM
Is this a credible "theory" : et al



Again, it's just one possible scenario. There are many others. Including re: the wine.

We will probably never know.

stplsd
07-20-09, 06:13 PM
Yazid Manou posted Caesar Glebbeek's answer about Times article (Was Jimi Hendrix murdered?) on my french forum. Here it is:

Many thanks for this. Any idea if it has been published elsewhere?

stplsd
07-20-09, 06:56 PM
. He loved Kathy and it broke his heart when she Married another.

Yeah, he loved her so much that he shagged loads of women while "living" with her, Devon became his main 'woman' after he abandoned her to work in the US in 1968 for the best part of a year. Then on his return in 69 he moved in with her for a few weeks (while seeing Danemann behind her back) and then finished with her, before he returned to the US and Devon/Carmen/ Collette again.

stplsd
07-20-09, 07:09 PM
Accidental death due to peoples own selfishness and irresponsibility. Doctor needed to give Jimi a visit and prescribe him exactly what he needed. Simple rest and the basic needs woulda gone a long way. Not a tiring tour of Europe and the Isle of Wight. If you're hung up on the murder theory that much then you're not listening to the folks who knew him and knew the situations first hand.They had a fight about Jimi coming home to be with "ONLY HER" and she obviously had a prob with him being himself. But Jimi was an insomniac probably cause he was up all nights working in studios so much. Playing late gigs,jet lag,you name it. He'd eventually got some sleep but didn't need a nag. Nobody needs that regardless who they are.

Who are these "selfish" and "irresponsible"? Jimi had been "resting" for the best part of ten months prior to the 'Cry of Love' tour. He was only doing a handfull of concerts in Europe. He was obviously off his face on downers etc. for most of the tour. Danemann was just another woman, he hardly saw her at all when he was in London etc. He probably saw as much of Kirstin Nefer as he did Danneman, and her 'engagement' to Jimi actually made the press! - before he died.

Herman Cherusken
07-20-09, 07:19 PM
This most recent estimate by Bannister appears to be a significant exaggeration of his original statement a number of years ago. Also intersting to find out from the above that he was struck off for fraud! This does bring into question his original statement, especially as the ambulance men or other at the scene said his throat was blocked with dried vomit. As the brain rapidly & irreparably dies from lack of oxgen, attempting to revive someone after this length of time would appear to be not only futile but extremely un-ethical. This statement just appears to be far too convenient for certain people?

As has been said, the paramedics knew Jimi was way gone when they came to the scene. Regardless, they followed the prescribed medical protocol trying everything within their powers to revive Jimi.

That might also be the case upon admittance at the emergency ward, where a protocol required the emergency team to work on an individual regardless if the visuals gave the indication that the person is beyond any help. The procedure might be enforced to rule out any uncertainties that an individual has a chance to be revived. So even if Jimi gave all the signs of being dead upon admittance, a protocol might have required them to treat him as being open case within a certain time frame.

I found this site where emergency ward procedures (http://www.geocities.com/nyerrn/er/procedures.htm) are listed, which doesnt have to correspond with the procedures at St Mary's Abbot Hospital in 1970, but can perhaps give an estimation of the time they give on resuscitation an individual that appears to be dead on arrival.

As far as Bannister goes, just because the article states that he was "deregistered in New South Wales for fraudulent conduct", it doesnt necessarily have to discredit him as far as his observations in regard to Jimi. And his first statements might just have been cautious, conservatively expressed for whatever reason. And does it correspond or contradict with Dr. Seifert's observations, who also was one of the casualty doctors who received Jimi's body at St. Mary's Abbot Hospital?

A big question is why the police didnt treat the site of Jimi's death as a crime scene? Was it negligence, or because of rasist undertones because Jimi was a black man banging white chicks and took himself liberties in a basically white society? Perhaps they didn't go ahead with a murder investigation not because of implications in a conspiracy to murder him, but out of rasist motives.

I don't have all the answers, and there are some conflicting informations (not the least in regard to the Tuinol/Vesperax issue) and uncertainties, but there are some key elements in whatever transpired during the last 24 hours in Jimi's life. And although I don't rule out any of the scenarios and/or a combination of them (except the flat out wilder one's), I hold some of them to be more likely, especially where Dannemann has been debunked as a lier while Burdon gradually has changed his involvement in the story over the years...

It might as well just have been an accident, but where Dannemann played a leathal part...

stplsd
07-20-09, 07:58 PM
As far as Bannister goes, just because the article states that he was "deregistered in New South Wales for fraudulent conduct", it doesnt necessarily have to discredit him as far as his observations in regard to Jimi. And his first statements might just have been cautious, conservatively expressed for whatever reason.


A big question is why the police didnt treat the site of Jimi's death as a crime scene?

I would think that a known fraudster's testimony should be taken with a large dose of salt. Funny how his newly exaggerated testimony coincides with this very dodgy publication, don't you think???

I don't see anything unusual in the police action. Overdoses from barbs etc. were fairly common then, they obviously felt there was nothing suspicious. Police procedures were not the same then. The autopsy found nothing suspicious.

The only mention of Tuinal appears to be the very dodgy recent recollection's of Linhart who doesn't appear to be too clued up on his facts.

stplsd
07-20-09, 08:23 PM
I don't have all the answers, ...

No one does, that's why the coroner gave an open verdict.


and there are some conflicting informations (not the least in regard to the Tuinol/Vesperax issue) and uncertainties, ...

The only mention of Tuinal appears to be the very dodgy recent recollection's of Linhart who doesn't seem to be too clued up on his facts.

Ayler
07-20-09, 08:28 PM
Many thanks for this. Any idea if it has been published elsewhere?
It's a letter he wrote to the writer. Yazid was secondary recipient of the letter, so he paste it on my site.

stplsd
07-20-09, 08:29 PM
For some reason he [Terry Slater] stated that "there was no food whatsoever in the flat and no evidence any had been cooked."



.

The reason is because Dannemann stated that she had cooked meal, and also that she made Jimi a sandwich.

scoutship
07-21-09, 12:07 AM
Yeah, he loved her so much that he shagged loads of women while "living" with her, Devon became his main 'woman' after he abandoned her to work in the US in 1968 for the best part of a year. Then on his return in 69 he moved in with her for a few weeks (while seeing Danemann behind her back) and then finished with her, before he returned to the US and Devon/Carmen/ Collette again


http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m245/axisinladyland/page1.jpg

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Herman Cherusken
07-21-09, 12:35 AM
Lmao, Jimi the player. A bunch of reasons for a number of chicks being pissed...

purple jim
07-21-09, 01:02 AM
Coming back to the Linhart page:

Says Buzzy, "I'll personally never forget Jimi looking at me from the antique barber's chair in the Electric Lady lobby - spinning around - slowing down exactly on the third spin, holding up a Marlboro saying "Now if I could just quit this I'll have beat everything." It was really cool - it happened that way - I believed him when he told me that, and to hear just a day and a half later people claiming that" once a junkie always a junkie" etc. really rank led me."

In her book Kathy says she found Jimi in a London hotel room in bed with the fire full on (in August) and cold turkey-like symptoms. Looks like he hadn't quite got everything out of his system or was just playing with Buzzy back in NY.

Herman Cherusken
07-21-09, 01:11 AM
Coming back to the Linhart page:

Says Buzzy, "I'll personally never forget Jimi looking at me from the antique barber's chair in the Electric Lady lobby - spinning around - slowing down exactly on the third spin, holding up a Marlboro saying "Now if I could just quit this I'll have beat everything." It was really cool - it happened that way - I believed him when he told me that, and to hear just a day and a half later people claiming that" once a junkie always a junkie" etc. really rank led me."

In her book Kathy says she found Jimi in a London hotel room in bed with the fire full on (in August) and cold turkey-like symptoms. Looks like he hadn't quite got everything out of his system or was just playing with Buzzy back in NY.

I've been thinking about that Kathy quote or episode myself a number of times, where Jimi exibited withdrawal symptoms. And when he was handed acid tabs (I think it was) just before going on stage at Isle of Wight, and asking for coke in Copenhagen a few days later. And the autopsy report revealing amphetamine in his system...

purple jim
07-21-09, 01:51 AM
Yes, then there was Aarhus collapse.
The Samarkand had to be cleaned of all drugs and associated "paraphenalia" also.
"Now if I could just quit this I'll have beat everything." Doesn't sound at all convincing.

The Earth Blues
07-21-09, 05:32 AM
Lmao, Jimi the player. A bunch of reasons for a number of chicks being pissed...
Is Jimi referring to Uschi Obermaier in that letter?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dCVZ3U_lipU/SAy8e-U5JGI/AAAAAAAAAkE/0MTGC3-VJac/s400/03xp7.jpg

scoutship
07-21-09, 08:39 AM
Is Jimi referring to Uschi Obermaier in that letter?


Yup.

stplsd
07-21-09, 10:17 AM
Yup.

Interesting letter chaps, [who might Uschi be then? I'll change this to]: what was Uschi's relationship with Jimi? Sounds like she was more of an attraction than Danemann

purple jim
07-21-09, 10:53 AM
Do a Google, there is masses about her.
"Uschi Obermaier (September 24, 1946 in Munich, a.k.a. Chrissi Malberg) is a former fashion model, actress and one of the protagonists of the 1968 left-wing movement in Germany. In the latter she is considered an iconic sex symbol of the so-called "1968 generation"

stplsd
07-21-09, 11:34 AM
^
Just googled it. Was really wanting some inside info regarding her and Jimi. When was the letter written?

Looks like her kissing Jimi goodbye in The last Experience film before he drives away from the hotel to the airport?

scoutship
07-21-09, 12:39 PM
When was the letter written?


??

You don't believe the date on the letter then? lol, Oh well.

RobbieRadio
07-21-09, 12:47 PM
From Kathy Etchingham's Book: Through Gypsy Eyes

In July 1970 Ray (her new husband) and I moved into a nice little terraced house in Chiswick. I learnt to drive and got myself a job which I really enjoyed. I was happy in my new role of young wife and normal citizen when, a month or so later, I had a call from Angie Burdon (Eric's Wife). 'I'm at the Londonderry Hotel,' she said, her voice sounding panicky, 'with Jimi.'

'Jimi's in London?' I was surprised, no longer having any idea of his movements, as we hadn't spoken to each other for six months.
'He's here to do the Isle of Wight Festival. He's gone mad, Kathy, we need your help. He's thrown us out of the bedroom and he won't let us back in, and all our clothes are in there. He's shouting at us to get out but we're trapped in the suite. We were all getting on fine and then he just turned on us. You're the only person we can think of who can deal with him when he's like this.'

I took a taxi to Park Lane and went up to the suite. Angie and another girl, wrapped in blankets, were waiting in the wrecked sitting room. Broken lamps, smashed glasses and upturned tables bore witness to the rage that Jimi must have been in. I went through to the bedroom. The first thing that hit me was the heat. It was a blazing hot day outside but all the windows were shut and a blow heater was going full blast, making the air feel dry and uncomfortable. Jimi was lying in bed under a pile of blankets, shivering uncontrollably. There was an empty bottle of Jack Daniel's and some glasses on the bedside table.

'What's happening, Jimi?' I asked. 'What's happening, Kathy?' He sounded as casual as if I had just come back from popping out to the shops. 'Angie and that girl need their clothes, man,' I said. 'They're scared to come in here.' 'Give them the clothes, get rid of them.' he said.

I scooped up their clothes and took them out to the sitting room. The girls dressed hurriedly. Watching them, I felt so glad to be a married woman. I felt detached. Once they had gone I went back into the bedroom to see if I could do anything to help Jimi. I sat on the edge of the bed and put a cool flannel on his forehead to try to bring his temperature down. He seemed to be dangerously feverish and kept sniffing and complaining that he had a cold. He was thin and grey and looked really ill. I assumed he had a bad dose of flu. In retrospect it is obvious that he was suffering some kind of withdrawal symptoms, although I'm not quite sure what from.

I made him as comfortable as I could and, once he was sleeping, I went back home, feeling a great sense of relief that I was no longer a part of this scene, pleased to help but even more pleased to walk away. The distressed superstar in the hotel suite was not the Jimi I had met and fallen in love with four years before. All the sweetness and gentleness had disappeared: the drugs and the stress had changed him beyond recognition.

Herman Cherusken
07-21-09, 12:57 PM
"Jimi was at the center of a number of dilemmas at the time of his death, and most of those dilemmas were chronic situations that had been going on consistently for a good while in his life as a star.


One of the most serious of his dilemmas had to do with women, and that may have proved fatal one way or the other. Hendrix often brought out the best and the worst in women, depending on what degree of moral analysis they brought to the picture or what level of Jimi's rock star libidinal behavior an individual thought justifiable. However it was cut, Jimi had a woman problem. Women lined up at his door or knocked at his door at all hours of the night and early morning. The Plaster Casters and others raved about his superior physical endowment. His erotic stage act made grown women scream like teenage girls (long before male strippers came on the scene). Jimi's act was notorious, although it seemed that he had toned it down at the beginning of the 1970s, perhaps more sensitive to the enormous effect he had on people.


This woman problem also extended, logically, to his friends, acquaintances, fellow musicians, performers, and business associates: employees and partners. Although not as obviously enchanted as the screaming fans, many of the wives, girlfriends, secretaries, and personal assistants of his associates were known to pounce when the time and proximity were right. Jimi, a king of Flower Power and the resultant sexual freedom, operated consistently as an uncommitted, sexually open individual. But many of his male associates were threatened by the possibility that their significant others would be drawn to Jimi.


One of the massive complicating factors was that Jimi Hendrix generated so much money that most of the people around him made their living directly or indirectly from him.


It was in the realm of marriage that Hendrix faced his greatest danger. Although musicians and performers were not known for successful marriages, Jimi's business associates often prided themselves on their normal, traditional lives and committed personal relationships.


Hendrix's sexual conquests were so vast that they often ceased to have any real significance for him. Many women around him acted as if they, too, were sexually liberated, open in their sexual relationships, but few really were.


Hendrix's involvement with Angie Burdon, estranged wife of Eric Burdon, was a very public affair. In at least two incidents they got into actual physical violence. The first was witnessed by the roadie "H" (Howard Parker), a local music-scene insider in whose London flat they had fought. The second time was in the Londonderry Hotel on Jimi's return to London for what would turn out to be his last tour. The aftermath of the violence of that early morning in his hotel suite -- where he, Angie, and another woman had spent the night in bed together -- was witnessed by his former girlfriend, Kathy Etchingham. Angie had summoned her to the hotel so she would intervene and allow the girls to retrieve their clothes, which were inside the bedroom with an angry Hendrix. Angie and Eric Burdon shared (separately) a good portion of Jimi's final moments on earth.


Jimi's return to London as a headliner at the Isle of Wight festival had a big effect on the small, tight London scene. He had had a big impact in the recent past and his presence in town was keenly felt. Alfreda Benge -- the girlfriend and later, wife, of Robert Wyatt (Soft Machine) -- was candid about her attraction to Hendrix's flamboyant sexuality. Benge told Charles Shaar Murray, "For my generation of white females, he was the first person who transcended the sexual barrier between black and white.... It had never occurred to me to fancy someone black. He was a big breakthrough for antiracism. From then on, black people became fanciable."


Pete Townshend of the Who had found Hendrix's early London performances very sexual, not in an "appealing way," but rather, more "threatening." When he asked his girlfriend Karen Astley (who he married in 1968) if she thought Hendrix's act was sexual, and she replied, "Are you fucking kidding?," Townshend had been unaware of how "aroused" his girlfriend had become seeing those shows.


Eric Clapton could have been speaking for many men on the set when he revealed a frustration with Hendrix's sex appeal in remarks made to Rolling Stone in 1968: "You know, English people have a very big thing towards a spade. They really love that magic thing. They all fall for that kind of thing. Everybody and his brother in England still sort of think that spades have big dicks. And Jimi came over and exploited that to the limit...and everybody fell for it." Robert Wyatt doubted Clapton would have said such things to Hendrix's face.


Just over two weeks after Hendrix's return to London and the night before his death, Daniel Secunda, who was hosting Alan and Stella Douglas in his London flat, took his guests, Jimi, and Devon to dinner at a Moroccan Restaurant on Fulham Road. It was clear to Secunda that Alan Douglas was "hustling to take over as Jimi's manager." Michael Jeffery, who was thought to have solid underworld and intelligence-agency connections, had Jimi "by now, very worried." It was a strange night. "Jimi and the girls were so smacked out that, through the meal, they barely ate anything or even said a word. When we got back to my place," Secunda said, "Jimi went off to bed with Stella and Devon. He loved a ménage à trois."


Alan Douglas, who is described by Sharon Lawrence as a "white man who affected the look of a black man, complete with Afro hairstyle, goatee and, often, deep tan," had many times been in contention with Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffery, for influence and a working relationship with Jimi. He had a meeting with Jeffery just after Hendrix's death. Said Douglas, "When I arrived he was bent over, in misery from a recent back injury. We started talking and he let it all hang out. It was like a confession. The one thing he said that I'll never forget was, 'Every time I had a woman I cared for, at some point I would realize that she was with me only to get to him.'" Douglas added, "In my opinion Jeffery hated Hendrix because Jimi had slept with Lynne Bailey [ Jeffery's girlfriend]. Being so open, Hendrix couldn't have understood why Jeffery might be upset."

But Hendrix's potential conflicts were not limited to jealous husbands, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends...."

http://www.simonandschuster.net/content/book.cfm?pid=515076&tab=1&agid=2

stplsd
07-22-09, 05:13 AM
??

You don't believe the date on the letter then? lol, Oh well.

Sorry didn't notice it for some reason. Do you think it's her in 'the Last Experience' A Hall film?

stplsd
07-22-09, 05:34 AM
"Jimi was at the center of a number of dilemmas ...

http://www.simonandschuster.net/content/book.cfm?pid=515076&tab=1&agid=2

Basically most of this book is "blah, blah, blah - I know what Jimi was really thinking," psychobabble nonsense. It is useful for a few interviews and articles quoted, but that's all. Of course one has to read between the lines to get at the actual interviews as they are not always quoted verbatim, and are frequently buried in twaddle - as is the way with most music "writers"



So Jimi went out with a lot of women and sometimes got off his face and fought with them.

A Douglarsehole Jimi's manager? I don't think so! where's the evidence? He only sat in on a couple of sessions, paid for two or something like that. He kept these but the stuff released is mostly sub-standard jamming. This is all just AD puffing himself up and some half baked gossip.

Herman Cherusken
07-22-09, 07:28 AM
Basically most of this book is "blah, blah, blah - I know what Jimi was really thinking," psychobabble nonsense.

Have you read the "book"? The quoted excerpts are from the "prologue" to the "book", so before expressing a definitive opinion it would perhaps be a good idea to read it in its entirety and checking whatever sources he uses...

stplsd
07-22-09, 08:57 AM
Have you read the "book"? The quoted excerpts are from the "prologue" to the "book", so before expressing a definitive opinion it would perhaps be a good idea to read it in its entirety and checking whatever sources he uses...

I have indeed read this update on his earlier work. As I said the interview sources are frequently hard to separate from Henderson's own blah, blah, often rendering them virtually useless. In common with other books on JH it is often very difficult or impossible to determine whether the interviews are by him for this book or from other publications by other authors, and at what date.
This upgrade is quite useful though as it at least has a quite thorough reference section at the back.

Herman Cherusken
07-22-09, 10:01 AM
I have indeed read this update on his earlier work. As I said the interview sources are frequently hard to separate from Henderson's own blah, blah, often rendering them virtually useless. In common with other books on JH it is often very difficult or impossible to determine whether the interviews are by him for this book or from other publications by other authors, and at what date.
This upgrade is quite useful though as it at least has a quite thorough reference section at the back.

Okay, you have read the book, that put things in a different light, although it's your perception and opinion about it. But I have also heard others object to Henderson's book, that he's not using enough note references along with his text, and in some instances for not crediting other authors for their findings while he uses material/info from their books.

As you didn't mention anything specifically, my objection was for you quoting "Jimi was at the center of a number of dilemmas..." and refering to that as "blah blah psychobabble nonsense", as Henderson is not alone with that contention. But okay, you most likely refer to a number of other things...

From what I gather from reviews of Tony Brown's book Jimi Hendrix: The Final Days (1997), Jimi certainly had a number of issues or dilemmas, not the least when it comes to the legal/contractual and managerial side, or his womans for that matter. I have not read neither of the books (yet), but found Hendrson's prologue to be intriguing. Also, my perception of Tony Brown is that most view him as solid and reputable and his findings spot on, with perhaps a few exceptions to the latter...

But as I said, I have yet to read their books myself...

Ayler
07-22-09, 01:41 PM
I've just read Tony Brown's book Jimi Hendrix: The Final Days last week. Very good work IMHO. A lots of facts and clever conclusion.

stplsd
07-23-09, 05:15 AM
^
Tony Brown's final days is very good, but unfortunately as with all Tony's work sloppy and lacking a decent reference section, notes etc. The toxicology reports are also unexplained and therefore unclear. Can't remember what the conclusion is though?

stplsd
07-23-09, 06:43 AM
As you didn't mention anything specifically, my objection was for you quoting "Jimi was at the center of a number of dilemmas..." and refering to that as "blah blah psychobabble nonsense", as Henderson is not alone with that contention. But okay, you most likely refer to a number of other things...
...

The psychobabble is Henderson's ludicrous attempt to portray Jimi's inner thoughts as if he new what he was thinking and feeling. Jerry Hopkins is another that uses this ridiculous 'pulp romance' type ploy: "all her worries melted away as he held her in his strong arms...etc";-), also using imagined conversations as if they were genuine

Jimi's only apparent "deep" relationship with a woman was Devon, all the others seem to have been either short or long term casual. Where's the dilemma?

All this stuff about managers just sounds like so much puff by 'jilted lovers' ;-), storm in a tea cup to fill out yet more trashy books. AD had already been tried and found wanting in 1969. Chas? maybe as a friendly second opinion on some of his recent work? But Jimi produced his masterwork himself and was well on the way to creating at least an excellent new work (whatever the title might have been, or what songs would be on it) His alleged lack of confidence in his new work, if true, I would lay with AD and his "jazz" cronies, Bill Graham and other smarty pants critics who harped on at Jimi to play "real" music and stand still on stage like a boring stookie.

Jimi's main dilemma and the main reason for his lack of productivity in 1969 would appear to be the crushing deal that Warners agreed with Chalpin in late 68: Giving him a huge amount of back royalties from all Jimi's previous work and from all his future recordings up till 1973, and also the entire proceeds from his next LP (BOG's) Why would you want to create something just to give it away to that creep.
I don't see any other dilemma, just problems, Not to forget the possibility of spending the next 7 years in a Canadian jail. or like him being very probably bi-polar, surrounded by damaged, self indulgent, shallow, me-me people with a very slight grip on reality (who, when feeling 'jilted' resorted to backbiting scheming gossip, mostly pure fantasy), getting off his face too much, and being apparently abandoned/(sold out?) by Warners to be hounded by Ed Chalpin. Jerry Morrison (a caricature of a shamelessly lurid self publicist?) real name Gerald Breitman ex PR for mass murdering terror dictator of Haiti Papa Doc! (according to C Glebeek) "interviews" seem to consist of him being Jimi's best friend & basically running his life and saving it in daring singled handed rescue from gangsters. He's almost never mentioned by the main players though? The kidnap story appears to be the one that started out as a bored chauffeur popping caps at a tree in the garden at Boiceville while he waited for Mike, (worth noting that they were in the country, on an estate, there is a photo of Devon? aiming a rifle of some type in the grounds, and Billy also mentions them firing BB guns for fun, as well as bow & arrows) this then graduated to a "shoot out" and then to a kidnapping rescue! What are these interviewers? they don't seem to question anything they are told, no facts, no dates, just a load of conflicting waffle. It sounds as if half the people interviewed don't even know anything about it, but just go along with it adding their tuppence worth to make it look as if they knew, not wanting to be left out.

And what about the Billy Rich story in the latest J McD book. The bizarre "audition" suposedly held at the Salvation, you would think with a scoop like that McD might have checked it out with the survivors: Cox, Sultan, Velez (almost unbelievably, everyone else is dead). People in Jeffery's office/ELady ("Jerry Morrison", Kramer, Bob Levine [Caesar says his memory's gone though] Kathy Eberth, Trixie) would surely know of something this weird. No, we're just supposed to lap it up uncritically.
Cox's absence for two weeks from the useless Douglas sessions is glossed over (apart from noting it, and mentioning that Cox hated both esp. Bright and thought they were a waste of space, but then G Stickells thought they were useless spongers too, no wonder Mike J (reportedly) thought they were detrimental) The engineers on these sessions all seemed baffled as to their presence too.

stplsd
07-23-09, 06:53 AM
although it's your perception and opinion about it. ...

I presume it taken for granted that everything here is taken as this unless it is a quote or something claimed as a "fact".

Aidan
07-23-09, 09:29 AM
Classic Rock magazine[UK] has an article on this subject by Harry Shapiro in the latest issue .

Pali Gap
07-23-09, 12:19 PM
I firmly believe it was an accidental o/d. But
I always wondered if Hendrix only stayed at the Samarkand a couple of nights at the most, why were there so many drugs in the place it took hours to clear up? And woudnt the ambulance men be more bothered about the person they were saving than noticing a couple of funny smarties and getting the place busted? Always thought it was MD's selective memory at play here...apparently he only left his guitar and headband and maybe some lyrics he was writing...

purple jim
07-23-09, 01:03 PM
I firmly believe it was an accidental o/d.

I'm coming round to thinking that myself. I don't buy the hit man thing and just because Danneman was furious with him, could she have lost control and decided to drug and/or drown him. Perhaps she was genuinely disturbed.
It's just the quantity of wine which is a little difficult to explain (unless Monika and his troubles did drive Jimi to drink a lot more than usual). Danneman's behaviour on the phone to Eric Burdon sounds more like genuine panic (unless she had come to her senses after pushing Jimi over the edge).

manfree
07-23-09, 01:46 PM
Does it really matter? Our god is dead, just enjoy [Love] the music, Be thankful he recorded so much. I`ve got hundreds of hours of music, for that I`m eternally Greatful, I wish there was more but Hey, aint you glad we`ve got wot we got?!!

dino77
07-23-09, 02:40 PM
Yeah, after all this time it's unlikely that any hard evidence of foul play will surface. It's all speculation. It's easy to point the finger to destructive forces in Hendrix' life at that time - but harder to prove they were involved in murder. And most of the main participants are dead by now.

purple jim
07-23-09, 03:34 PM
Does it really matter? Our god is dead, just enjoy [Love] the music, Be thankful he recorded so much. I`ve got hundreds of hours of music, for that I`m eternally Greatful, I wish there was more but Hey, aint you glad we`ve got wot we got?!!

Totally over the moon with wot we got, but the subject here is the assassination theory which is intriguing…and painful.

stplsd
07-23-09, 03:38 PM
^
Any chance of upping it here?

scoutship
07-23-09, 05:59 PM
Current Issue (http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/the-new-issue-of-classic-rock-is-on-sale-now/)


Newsstand just up the street, think I'll mosey over and see if it's there yet.


EDIT: Called over, it's not in yet, still displaying a couple July editions.

Ayler
07-24-09, 06:52 AM
http://bob-brown.greensmps.org.au/content/greencast/bob-talks-about-jimi-hendrixs-death

Aidan
07-24-09, 07:07 AM
I don't have a functioning scanner at the moment,if I can get it fixed I will post the article here,sorry for the inconvenience.

stplsd
07-24-09, 07:25 AM
^
looking forward to it

Aidan
07-24-09, 08:41 AM
better scans added

scoutship
07-24-09, 12:05 PM
Many thanks for that.

purple jim
07-24-09, 01:22 PM
Interesting article (even if a few scans have unreadable parts !).
At one point, it says that no empty wine bottles were found at the Samarkand but I remember reading somewhere that Monika had kept an empty red wine bottle (her murder weapon ? Ho, ho !)

RobbieRadio
07-24-09, 02:58 PM
Alot of the info in this book as in many others can be found in Tony Brown's The Final Days" book 1997. He unearthed alot of new info at the time. Books that have come afterward have just repeated the new info that Tony Brown uncovered and called it "new information" in THEIR books. Buy Tony Brown's book and you'll won't have to buy all these new books with their so-called "new information."

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Days-Jimi-Hendrix/dp/0711952388

MourningStar
07-24-09, 04:40 PM
Buy Tony Brown's book and you'll won't have to buy all these new books with their so-called "new information."
sounds like an xlnt suggestion. anyone else agree/disagree?

Ayler
07-24-09, 07:23 PM
Didn't Michael Fairchild was one of the first to really contradict Dannemann's lies?

stplsd
07-26-09, 03:15 PM
Hi ,I have now fixed my scanner and scanned said Classic Rock article

Thanks for this very interesting article, but unfortunately parts of it are unreadable, could you possibly re-scan those parts?

Aidan
07-26-09, 04:44 PM
I can try,any pages in particular or the whole thing?

MourningStar
07-26-09, 05:59 PM
I can try,any pages in particular or the whole thing?Just the ones that are unreadable.

Olvator
07-26-09, 08:00 PM
Interesting article (even if a few scans have unreadable parts !).
At one point, it says that no empty wine bottles were found at the Samarkand but I remember reading somewhere that Monika had kept an empty red wine bottle (her murder weapon ? Ho, ho !)


she did indeed. the bottle is now in possession of Uli John Roth.

Aidan
07-27-09, 05:46 AM
Just the ones that are unreadable.
improved scans uploaded,I hope they are acceptable.[see my original post above]

Pali Gap
07-27-09, 07:05 AM
I'm coming round to thinking that myself. I don't buy the hit man thing and just because Danneman was furious with him, could she have lost control and decided to drug and/or drown him. Perhaps she was genuinely disturbed.
It's just the quantity of wine which is a little difficult to explain (unless Monika and his troubles did drive Jimi to drink a lot more than usual). Danneman's behaviour on the phone to Eric Burdon sounds more like genuine panic (unless she had come to her senses after pushing Jimi over the edge).

Definately panic on Monica's part, even if she was capable of being a fantasist about the relationship and/ or wanted to capitalise on Hendrix's fame v. doesnt mean someone is capable of murder particularly the murder of someone they thought they loved-basicaly. MD may well have been a neurotic type, but unlikely that she had a serious mental illness either that would put someone at risk.

Thanks for link Ayler really excellent. Btw Harry Shapiro has written a massive feature in this months classic rock, and has interviewed Tappy Wright.

Pali Gap
07-27-09, 08:04 AM
Do a Google, there is masses about her.
"Uschi Obermaier (September 24, 1946 in Munich, a.k.a. Chrissi Malberg) is a former fashion model, actress and one of the protagonists of the 1968 left-wing movement in Germany. In the latter she is considered an iconic sex symbol of the so-called "1968 generation"

Don't know about Jimi-but she had a long relationship with Keith Richards in the 70's when it was hitting the rocks with Anita Pallenberg.

Cute letter though- at least he was charming and nice-in the rather 'red neck' northern british town I grew up in the guys don't speak to you like your even human.

well I reckon Eva Sunkvist knew Jimi better than Monica did.

stplsd
07-27-09, 08:57 AM
^
The girl kissing Jimi goodbye outside the hotel before he get's in the limo to drive to the airport in the Albert hall movie 'Last Experience' looks very like she is Uschi?

stplsd
07-27-09, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the re-scan, but this sounds like just more sesationalist puff for Tappy's dodgy book. Interesting how Caesar's old writing partner appears to hold a completely opposite view about the murder theory?

RobbieRadio
07-30-09, 09:17 PM
DOCTOR: 'HENDRIX MURDER IS PLAUSIBLE'

The doctor who tried to revive JIMI HENDRIX on the night he died has said it is "plausible" the rocker could have been murdered.
Hendrix was 27 when he choked to death on his own vomit in a London hotel, but the exact circumstances of the tragedy have remained a mystery.
Roadie James 'Tappy' Wright has come forward alleging Hendrix's manager Michael Jeffery admitted feeding the rocker drugs and alcohol after he learned he was about to be fired by the star.
In a new tell-all book, titled Rock Roadie, Wright claims Jeffery went to Hendrix's hotel room and "stuffed" him with illegal substances in revenge.
Now Hendrix's doctor at the time of his death, John Bannister, has claimed that medical evidence is consistent with the allegations Wright makes in the tome.
Bannister was working at the now defunct St Mary Abbots Hospital in London when Hendrix was taken in to receive medical help.
He says Wright's account of what happened to the star "sounded plausible because of the volume of wine. The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary. Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine."
In the book, Wright recalls Jeffery saying, "I had to do it, Tappy. You understand, don't you?"
Jeffrey allegedly made the drunken confession in 1971 - two years before he was killed in a plane crash.
Wright also claims Jeffery had taken out a life insurance policy on Hendrix, worth $1.8 million (£1.2 million), prior to his death - with the manager as beneficiary.

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20 July 2009 08:15

stplsd
07-31-09, 04:18 AM
There appears o be a fundamental difference between Bannister and everyone else at the hospital. he says they worked on Jimi for half an hour whereas everyone else says it was obvious he was DOA and only worked on him very briefly [to verify he was dead it would seem], so briefly indeed, that there is no record of admission. Bannister it should be noted was struck off for fraud. For several reasons it would be unethical to try to revive someone whose heart has stopped beating for that length of time, you can add on the time it took to get him there, and the ambulance drivers statements that said he dead when they arrived and appeared to have been for some time. So Bannister's statement has doctors bizarrely trying to revive someone who was obviously dead for half an hour - I don't think so! When your heart stops beating, brain damage starts after only a few minutes of oxygen starvation.

Experiencereunited
07-31-09, 07:23 PM
We will never know for sure and regardless he is dead. But everyone has there own theories based on all the accounts.

My personal opinion is it was an OD plain and simple.

If Kathy saw him suffering from "withdrawls" shortly after the Isle of Wight. Make no mistake those very well could have simply been from booze. I have lived with an alcoholic and have seen first hand what kind of withdrawls alcohol can produce and they are friggin' frightening. One of the hardest drugs around alcohol is. I am sure Jimi could drink a shitload if he was also dropping acid or doing coke during that same era and hardly even appear buzzed on alchohol.

Monica freaked out when she found Jimi dead not sick and unsure as she initially claimed. She then called Eric freaking out because there were drugs all around the apartment and was worried about getting in trouble herself. After all this was 1970 remember and this was Jimi Hendrix. Jointly after Eric arrived they decided to clean up the apartment so she would not get into any trouble herself because of all the drugs etc. because it was already obvious Jimi was dead. For God's sake they discussed who would take his personal belongings including his guitar? They all knew he was already dead, cleaned up the apartment and then called the ambulance.

Ask yourself what you might have done in Monica's situation. Some amount of self preservation might kick in if you were with a friend or lover who also happend to be one of the most famous people in the world, had obviously OD'd and some of things he had been doing you may have as well and had beem laying around the apartment.

My opinion based on all of the accounts I have read.

Now that I got that out time to focus on the music.

stplsd
07-31-09, 09:49 PM
Yes, it would be very hard to tell the difference between booze and smack etc. withdrawal, unless you were well aquainted with it. Jimi had quite obviously been of his face on downers with some alcohol involved on occasion throughout his mini tour of north Europe, sounds very much like he got his hands on some coke or wiz before Copenhagen, and managed to straighten out enough before Fehmarn to give a good show. Mandrax was quoted by an early & close eye-witness before Arhus and definitely fits the bill for his staggering about dropping stuff, most accounts appear to show that these drugs were given to him rather than him carrying a supply around. Question? how much "drugs" would a casual, very occasional visitor (Jimi) to Monika's flat have had? mostly the "drugs" appear to have been wine and (Monika's) barbs as far as I can see. There's been no mention of any other drugs by name. Jimi wasn't, as far as we know, a drug dealer, so any dope he might have had would be a small amount and could have just been chucked out the window, flushed down the toilet or whatever. The only drugs in his system according to the autopsy were wine, barbs and a little whiz. This getting "all" the "drugs" out the flat is just more bollocks, he was hardly there at all.

Monika's position? go straight to the press (ooh she would have been so upset to be found with a dead black man, and her dad might have a heart attack if he found out) and sell your shit story about how you were engaged to be marrried and that you were the "keeper" entrusted with Jimi's spiritual world vision, blah, blah etc.

purple jim
08-01-09, 03:43 AM
Good arguments but how to explain all the red wine in his lungs ? Was Bannister's memory mixed up with another he had encountered that night (or the night before) ?

stplsd
08-01-09, 07:10 AM
Red wine would have been in his lungs as that's what killed him - inhaling his vomit, a quite common occurence in a deep sleep after drinking too much alcohol and especially when combined with barbs. AC/DC's Bon Scott springs to mind. There have been hundreds of deaths due to this. The untrustworthy Bannister does love to wallow in gore (see my earlier note about Bannister above).

RobbieRadio
08-09-09, 10:40 PM
More From Dr. Bannister

Doctor on duty the night Jimi Hendrix died adds weight to murder theory

By Simon Cable

Last updated at 10:32 PM on 20th July 2009

A doctor who battled to save Jimi Hendrix's life on the night he died has added weight to allegations that the rock legend was murdered.
Australian John Bannister said it was 'plausible' that Hendrix was killed 39 years ago by having red wine and sleeping pills forced down his throat.
A new book by James 'Tappy' Wright, a former road manager for Hendrix, suggests he was killed on the orders of his penniless manager Mike Jeffrey, who wanted to cash in his £1.2million life insurance.

Wright claims a gang broke into the London hotel room where the 27-year-old singer and guitarist was staying with his German girlfriend Monika Dannemann on the night of September 18, 1970, and fed him wine until he drowned.

Mr Bannister, 67, who was on duty at St Mary Abbots hospital in Kensington when Hendrix was brought in, said Wright's account was possible because of the large volume of wine involved.
'The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary,' he said at his home in Sydney. 'Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine. I have never seen so much wine.

We had a sucker that you put down into his trachea, the entrance to his lungs and to the whole of the back of his throat.
'We kept sucking and it kept surging and surging. He had already vomited up masses of red wine and I would have thought there was half a bottle of wine in his hair. He had really drowned in a massive amount of red wine.
'When you are in casualty, one always tries very hard to resuscitate people. There's always a hope. We worked very hard for about half an hour but there was no response at all. It really was an exercise in futility.
'Somebody said to me, "You know who that was? That was Jimi Hendrix" and of course I said, "Who's Jimi Hendrix?"'

The widely-held belief is that Hendrix choked on his own vomit after a drugs overdose.

Mr Bannister left London in 1972 and practised as an orthopaedic surgeon in Australia until 1992, when he was struck off in New South Wales for fraudulent conduct.

Monika Dannemann, an ice-skating instructor, who was with Hendrix on the night he died, committed suicide in 1996.

She always maintained he was alive when the ambulance arrived, but this has been vehemently denied by authorities.

Wright claims in his book, Rock Roadie, which was published last month, that Mike Jeffrey admitted murdering Hendrix a month before he was killed in a plane crash in 1973.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1201016/Doctor-duty-night-Jimi-Hendrix-died-adds-weight-murder-theory.html

stplsd
08-15-09, 05:47 PM
I he started to choke on the vomit.. Monika Dannelman in a panic poured red wine into him to trying to stop him from choking

How TF would you be able to pour wine "into" someone that was choking to death? Never mind that, it would be - if not completely mental & un-natural - a totally criminal response to someone that was choking. "oh, look there's someone choking, let's add severely to their problem by firing even more shit down their throat! Whaat?

Oh. and by the way, to the other theory, not yours, how are you going to make a fit young man swallow downers and wine to the obvious point of death without a violent struggle, and his woman is just going to go aong with it, and cover up for the rest of her life, without any apparent reward? How would they even know where he was? he appears to have never stayed the same place for any one night, only ending up at Monika's in the mid hours of the morning after Ronnies. And why would Mike an apparently cold-fish, extremely secretive man, confide in the lowest peg in his organisation, not even a roady for Jimi, a man, who has flogged dodgy paintings, a dodgy guitar, and now a dodgy story, that have all mysteriously turned up in rapid succession 29 years later?

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
08-15-09, 05:51 PM
[QUOTE=Jimi_Uchihaeyez;20783]I he started to choke on the vomit.. Monika Dannelman in a panic poured red wine into him to trying to stop him from choking QUOTE]

How TF would you be able to pour wine "into" someone that was choking to death? Never mind that, it would be - if not completely mental & un-natural - a totally criminal response to someone that was choking. "oh, look there's someone choking, let's add severely to their problem by firing even more shit down their throat! Whaat?To try and clear his throat, Monika not being Einstein by any means.

stplsd
08-15-09, 06:05 PM
[QUOTE=stplsd;21823]To try and clear his throat, Monika not being Einstein by any means.

Duh? she was a sentient being, a chimp wouldn't try that never mind a human, come on, get a grip for f'sake!

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
08-15-09, 06:16 PM
Duh? she was a sentient being, a chimp wouldn't try that never mind a human, come on, get a grip for f'sake!Ok Ok, what do you think happened?

stplsd
08-15-09, 06:30 PM
^
Nobody else at the scene says he was anything other than DOA, and that he wasn't even formally admitted, there is/was no record of any admission, and any attention he was given was for a very short time, before his dead body was taken to the morgue. In the assessment of the ambulance crew he had been dead a while before they picked up his body and far from there being all this liquid wine, his throat (and hair etc.) was clogged with dried matter and they couldn't clear it (one wonders how hard they tried, since they would have checked his pulse, as a matter of course, and by his condition they thought he had obviously been dead for a while)
As mentioned before this man was struck off for fraud. This is a strong indicator, I would have thought, as to his reliability, no?

stplsd
08-15-09, 06:58 PM
He died through taking too many barbs which, when he vomited up the wine, dulled his gag reflex causing him to drown in it, a far too common occurence, especially at this time - Brian Epstein - '67, Judy Garland - '69 (both in London & same coroner: Gavin Thurston) & Alan Wilson of Canned Heat (only a week before Jimi - also invoving alcohol) died due to barb intox. It often happens just with drinking too much as in the case of AC-DC's Bon Scott, who sitting upright in a deep sleep vomited and choked, it happens all the time, check it out. Jimi was obviously wrecked on downers &/or booze [witnesses: "qualudes/mandrax" at Aarhus] during most of his European "tour" - only a handfull of gigs - and in the taped interview when he was back in London. He was also, so the people involved say, told he couldn't jam at Ronnie's the night before he did, because he was too wrecked - and we ain't talkin' dope or acid!. Qualudes/mandies, barbs etc became very popular in the seventies, even with pop stars who could afford more exotic drugs - don't forget. There is also sworn testimony from some Lord type bloke (Tony's book) that Jimi was drinking red wine most of the evening at his house the night he died. It's just shit that Jimi didn't drink much, and that he didn't like red wine, just because you normally prefer something else doesn't mean that you don't like the other. There is ample testimony and photographic evidence that Jimi drank alcohol on a regular basis, and to excess often. By her own [unquestioned] testimony she would have been crashed for at least eight hours, having taken a whole tab. But if she'd been taking these for a while her dosage would likely have increased, as barbs are very addictive [Jimi?] so her testimony is dodgy on several levels never having been questioned thoroughly [eg amount of pills that were actually taken by herself & Jimi]

Jimi_Uchihaeyez
08-15-09, 07:11 PM
He died through taking too many barbs which caused him to vomit up wine which he drowned in, a far too common occurence, especially at this time - Brian Epstein - '67, Judy Garland - '69 (both in London & same coroner: Gavin Thurston) & Brian Wilson of Canned Heat (only a week before Jimi - also invoving alcohol) died due to barb intox. It often happens just with drinking too much as in the case of AC-DC's Bon Scott, who sitting upright in a deep sleep vomited and choked, it happens all the time, check it out. Jimi was obviously wrecked on downers &/or booze [witnesses: "qualudes/mandrax" at Aarhus] during most of his European "tour" - only a handfull of gigs - and in the taped interview when he was back in London. He was also, so the people involved say, told he couldn't jam at Ronnie's the night before he did, because he was too wrecked - and we ain't talkin' dope or acid!. Qualudes/mandies, barbs etc became very popular in the seventies, even with pop stars who could afford more exotic drugs - don't forget.I must say that does sound more probably then what I said previously.

stplsd
08-15-09, 07:32 PM
JH:

Drown in wine
Am I drowning in love?
I see that word fly by
Written in the clouds above
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Drown in wine
Can’t be late for the show
I see love fly by
Written in the clouds below

Maui:

"I’m laying there playin’ the part and a grape chokes me, almost, but I can’t let the choke come out, because, you know, I have to be together, right? so, I say: “Oh, phtt, gr-groovy grape wine there Cleo, ah, Hell, I mean, let’s get it on, forget about all that stuff back there and forget about you and your scene. Let’s just go out in the hills and relax and live.”

RobbieRadio
08-15-09, 08:03 PM
I remember reading somewhere, that Eric Burdon said that Jimi showed up at his place "completely wasted" a couple days for before he died. Burdon said that because of his condition, he didn't invite him in, but instead turned him away and told him needed to go home and get some sleep.

stplsd
08-16-09, 04:51 AM
^
It would be much appreciated, I'm sure, if you could find the source of this quote. Maybe his two biographies: "I used to be an animal , but I'm all right now" and "Don't let me be misunderstood"?

cleanuponaisle76
08-16-09, 11:44 AM
Burdon is full of shit.

personally, I doubt somebody poured wine into Jimi while he was choking....I mean, even if the intent is to kill somebody, you have to be pretty sick to "over do" it.

even though I feel that Mike had Jimi killed, it wasn't anything personal other than the assumed relationship between the two; in motive was financial

stplsd
08-16-09, 03:43 PM
^
Yes, Burdon does talk a lot of shit - sometimes, though, he does let the cat out the bag.

But if Mike did have him killed, as you "feel", and "they" didn't pour wine down his throat, how do you think it was done?

cleanuponaisle76
08-17-09, 12:06 PM
^
Yes, Burdon does talk a lot of shit - sometimes, though, he does let the cat out the bag.

But if Mike did have him killed, as you "feel", and "they" didn't pour wine down his throat, how do you think it was done?
I didn't say that man.

the way that Jimi was killed was drowning of the airways imo.
but, if you re-read my statement, I say that I don't think somebody would pour wine down his throat when he was already choking/dying.

and it was not a "they" I stated; it was a somebody, in particular Monika Danneman.
unless, it was a very personal thing... but like I said, I feel that Mike saw it as a "do what I gotta do" thing.

I read somewhere that Jimi slept with a girl Mike cared for called Lynn Bailey, and thought that this may be one of those motives which would make Mike having Jimi killed possible.

although it is petty motive in comparison to over a million dollars, girl problems can get heavy, and perhaps it even played a role in conjunction with the Warner Bros. death insurance policy.

for the record, I don't think that he choked at any point and the entire death was an arbitrary act of greed on mankind's behalf.

Ezy Rider
10-28-09, 01:59 AM
Well, Jimi would not be the first musician who was killed by a jealous woman. Robert Johnson comes to mind. Also, if Monika mixed the Vesperax in Jimi's wine, she might want to obfuscate the evidence by trying to water it down with more wine (in her opinion), wouldn't she? This could explain why so much wine was administred later. An investigation into her history and psychology should be able to reveal any such behavioural patterns.

stplsd
10-29-09, 04:51 PM
All the stories about Johnson I've heard involve a jealous husband not a woman, these have been investigated but there is no clear evidence apart from conflicting tales by different people the poison if named is always strychnine which supposedly has a very powerfull, disgusting smell and taste that cannot be disguised. Sometimes stabbing replaces poison in the story. But then pneumonia, brought on by syphilis is another, with the possibility that the poison story was thought a more suitable end for a famous, itinerant bluesman.

http://thedeltablues.wordpress.com/2008/09/16/robert-johnson-poison-didnt-kill-him/

http://thedeltablues.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/robert-johnson-poison-didnt-kill-him-part-2/

http://www.soul-patrol.com/soul/johnson.htm


There was and is no evidence of Monika being involved and no-one was suspicious at the time, only many years later when the 'hate monika' campaign had become entrenched did this theory appear. There is no clear motive as to why she would do this anyway. The police, the coroner and Jimi's friends and aquaintances at the time never thought she had anything to do with it. Many people can become tolerant with downers to the amount Jimi had supposedy taken that night, and don't forget that he had taken amphetamine earlier. The amount of wine in his stomach and lungs is entirely down to one man's evidence, a sensationalist gore fest, by a doctor who was struck off for fraud. Choking to death after taking downers and drinking, or just downers, or just drink was/and is fairly common, read the above several posts.

backfromthestorm
10-29-09, 05:11 PM
JH:

Drown in wine
Am I drowning in love?
I see that word fly by
Written in the clouds above
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Drown in wine
Can’t be late for the show
I see love fly by
Written in the clouds below



Hi SPLSD!

Where is this quote from? Did it only come to light after his death? Or was it in a song? I`ve never heard it.

stplsd
10-29-09, 05:30 PM
I didn't say that man.

the way that Jimi was killed was drowning of the airways imo.
but, if you re-read my statement, I say that I don't think somebody would pour wine down his throat when he was already choking/dying.

so how did they get the wine in there?


for the record, I don't think that he choked at any point .

Evidently the coroner, a highly trained medical specialist, disagrees with you. What's the difference between choking and drowning, when does choking become drowning?

stplsd
10-29-09, 05:35 PM
Hi SPLSD!

Where is this quote from? Did it only come to light after his death? Or was it in a song? I`ve never heard it.

It's from one of his unrecorded (as far as we know) hand written pieces, of which there are many, which nearly all came to light after his death, as they were mostly his personal papers, but long before Bannister's 'wine stories'.

backfromthestorm
10-29-09, 06:01 PM
It's from one of his unrecorded (as far as we know) hand written pieces, of which there are many, which nearly all came to light after his death, as they were mostly his personal papers, but long before Bannister's 'wine stories'.


Too freaky.. there seems to be alot about Jimi thats a bit freaky.. like the number 9 or 27 for instance.. i.e...

Born on the 27th, died on the 18th of the 9th (18+9 = 27) aged 27 after taking 9 pills, his numerology number was 9, oh and his birth year 1942, is 16 if you add it all up... hmm but add his birth month (11) and yes we have 27 again! Oh not forgettin if 6 was 9 lol

Anyone else noticed this unusual prevalance of 27? a multiple of 9.. Or am i being daft... hmmm maybe i smoked toooo much.

johanincr
10-29-09, 07:17 PM
Michael Fairchild wrote an article about the 'Multiples of 3' that was published in one of the early Univibes magazines issue 8, coincidentally the oldest UV that is still available for backorder. http://www.univibes.com/UV_details.html So, you're not the only one.

It's an interesting article, or at least entertaining, take your pick :-) Lets go with entertaining....

I dont have it handy, but there are a few coincidences, or maybe just a chance of 1 in 3 that its right....

Born on the 27th, died on the 18th, first 'big' show for the JHE on the 18th in Paris, Monterey on the 18th, Woodstock on the 18th, Copenhagen 3-9, Fehmarn 6-9.
Fairchild (obviously) had a lot more astrological stuff in the article, which i dont remember.

backfromthestorm
10-29-09, 07:28 PM
Michael Fairchild wrote an article about the 'Multiples of 3' that was published in one of the early Univibes magazines issue 8, coincidentally the oldest UV that is still available for backorder. http://www.univibes.com/UV_details.html So, you're not the only one.

It's an interesting article, or at least entertaining, take your pick :-) Lets go with entertaining....

I dont have it handy, but there are a few coincidences, or maybe just a chance of 1 in 3 that its right....

Born on the 27th, died on the 18th, first 'big' show for the JHE on the 18th in Paris, Monterey on the 18th, Woodstock on the 18th, Copenhagen 3-9, Fehmarn 6-9.
Fairchild (obviously) had a lot more astrological stuff in the article, which i dont remember.



No way!... I`m soo glad about that... thought you`d all say I was stupid. I bet he didnt get the 1942 + 11 one though.. took me a while to see that one lol. It all boils down to the number 9 for me, I find it intriguing. Though I hadnt even started on Gig dates, now it seems the possibillities are endless!

Thanks Johanincr :wave:

cleanuponaisle76
10-29-09, 09:28 PM
so how did they get the wine in there?

they got it in there by pouring it. this is where the sleeping pills come in as Jimi had no gag reflex. you can't be conscious and have no gag reflex.


Evidently the coroner, a highly trained medical specialist, disagrees with you. What's the difference between choking and drowning, when does choking become drowning?

well, choking is the obstruction of the flow of air. so choking doesn't become drowning, rather drowning becomes choking because it is a type of choking.
there's a difference between saying somebody "choked" and "was choked". when dealing with liquids, the latter constitutes "drowning" and intervention, as it isn't possible for a man to drown himself. we know this because of the amount of liquid present and inside Hendrix. had it been self induced not much liquid would make it inside, especially when your gag reflex isn't present.

stplsd
10-31-09, 07:52 PM
personally, I doubt somebody poured wine into Jimi while he was choking....I mean, even if the intent is to kill somebody, you have to be pretty sick to "over do" it.


they got it in there by pouring it. this is where the sleeping pills come in as Jimi had no gag reflex. you can't be conscious and have no gag reflex.

So they poured it in before he was choking? what would he have to choke on before "they" poured it in?


well, choking is the obstruction of the flow of air. so choking doesn't become drowning, rather drowning becomes choking because it is a type of choking.
there's a difference between saying somebody "choked" and "was choked". when dealing with liquids, the latter constitutes "drowning" and intervention, as it isn't possible for a man to drown himself. we know this because of the amount of liquid present and inside Hendrix. had it been self induced not much liquid would make it inside, especially when your gag reflex isn't present.

Semantics. Stomach contents that are regurgitated and then inhaled causing death are officially/normally/usually referred to as "choking" although often totally liquid, usually mostly liquid (ie liquid with small soft particles), to qualify as "drowning" one is looking at fluid arriving from immersion (drowned in mud? [may contain particles]). Check out AC/DC Bon Scott, etc etc ad infinitum. As to the amount? - read the stuff about extremely dodgy Doc Bannister (the only one)

stplsd
10-31-09, 08:01 PM
No way!... I`m soo glad about that... thought you`d all say I was stupid. I bet he didnt get the 1942 + 11 one though.. took me a while to see that one lol. It all boils down to the number 9 for me, I find it intriguing. Though I hadnt even started on Gig dates, now it seems the possibillities are endless!

Thanks Johanincr :wave:

Michael Fairchild, come on?! somebody's having a laugh here, mate;-)
Da vinci code hehe-heh.

cleanuponaisle76
11-01-09, 04:02 AM
I thought I made it clear liquid initiated the choking. "drowning" is a misquote; drowned is a more accurate term. drowned in wine. you are getting upset over nothing.

purple jim
11-01-09, 04:15 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/4f885_numbe.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

stplsd
11-01-09, 06:11 AM
I thought I made it clear liquid initiated the choking. "drowning" is a misquote; drowned is a more accurate term. drowned in wine. you are getting upset over nothing.

Who's upset? are you upset? I'm certainly not;-) I'm merely trying to find out what you are on about, as you seem to think "they" poured wine down Jimi's throat, but then again no, but then again yes?
"Drowning is a misquote" by who?
Who were "they" anyway?

manfree
11-01-09, 07:22 AM
Hey PurpleJim, That Photo, WTF? is a real person?

backfromthestorm
11-01-09, 11:47 AM
Hey PurpleJim, That Photo, WTF? is a real person?


It seems Purple Jim senses a likeness between my observations and the film 23.....

I`m not that insane PJ.... er..... yet. Give it time though... I`m reading up on this Numerology/(coincidence)thingy.. I`ll be writing equations on my walls next..

purple jim
11-01-09, 02:04 PM
Just a little joke backfromthestorm. As you point out for manfree, it is a film starring Jim Carrey about a guy who gets completely obsessed and paranoid about the number 23. I have not seen it unfortunately, maybe it's at the video shop.
Hey, 2012 = 20 & 12 = 20 & 2+1 = 23 ! Oh shit.

cleanuponaisle76
11-01-09, 05:30 PM
Who's upset? are you upset? I'm certainly not;-) I'm merely trying to find out what you are on about, as you seem to think "they" poured wine down Jimi's throat, but then again no, but then again yes?
"Drowning is a misquote" by who?
Who were "they" anyway?
upset as in, you're on about nothing.
as in, anything I'm about to tell you is something you could observe by reading my previous posts, with patience.
so there's really no need for your post if you're only "merely" trying to find out what I already stated.

again no, again yes? that's all in your head, as is so much of the unnecessary ego gymnastics you often post.

drowning is simply an incorrect and misleading term, drowned is more appropriate. yes, I do believe it was poured down his throat. by who? criminals who were associated with MJ.

I know you aren't daft. let's just keep the riff raff at a minimum, shall we?

cleanuponaisle76
11-01-09, 06:17 PM
I looked at the Buzzy Lindhart thread and thought I should post this. this man claims he met Jimi and was ready to form a band with him, got him off Heroin, but that's the beginning of it.

he says he witnessed his murder on the phone, I've even talked to the guy on myspace and he is very bold about all of this.
at first I was hesitant about posting such a left field article, but this is a Hendrix site.
I'm sure some of you will get at least a kick out of this. read it with a huge grain of salt... I look forward to the comments.

http://cafebeat.org/ronrussell/The_Truth_Word.asp

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mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1034"/> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1"/> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> The Truth Behind The Death Of Jimi Hendrix

By Armond Blackwater as told by Ron Russell

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Ron’s father took him to a Gene Krupa concert when Ron was only six years old. Gene Krupa was the great drummer of the big band era. Krupa was a contemporary of Glenn Miller, Bennie Goodman, Tommy Dorsey, etc. -- The Swing Era players. Krupa inspired many drummers, like Buddy Rich, or potential drummers. I would say that Gene Krupa was the Carl Palmer of his day. Understand, of course, that I judge Carl Palmer as the best percussionist of our time and I tend to measure all drummers against him. If you don’t agree just insert your candidates name and that is how good Gene Krupa was. Not just the best, there was no one else in Krupa’s class at the time. Seeing Gene Krupa perform set off a raging fire in young Ron Russell.
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“That’s what I want to do,” Ron stated emphatically, “That’s what I want to be.”
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So, for his next birthday Ron’s father bought him a set of drums, <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Kent</st1:place></st1:country-region> drums as Ron remembers them. His father also arranged for Ron to take lessons from a local jazz legend whose name Ron no longer remembers. Ron studied with the man for a year, but death claimed his professor ending the lessons. The professor died of cirrhosis of the liver, a very common ailment among musicians of the time.
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Shortly thereafter, Ron’s family moved to <st1:city w:st="on">Xenia</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">Ohio</st1:state> where Ron studied under the professor of percussion at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Ohio</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">State</st1:placetype> <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype></st1:place>. Ron proved to be a natural drummer. He absorbed the lessons and tapped into the rhythm of the universe. He became one with his drumming.
<o:p> </o:p>
In 1960, Ron’s father, who was an electrical engineer, was selected for a position as a scientist at <st1:place w:st="on">Cape Canaveral</st1:place>. The Russell family left <st1:city w:st="on">Xenia</st1:city> and moved to <st1:placename w:st="on">Satellite</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Beach</st1:placetype> on the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Florida</st1:placename> <st1:placename w:st="on">Space</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Coast</st1:placetype></st1:place>. Ron continued his percussion practice relentlessly. He continued to study and expand his prowess of the beat.
<o:p> </o:p>
In 7<sup>th</sup> grade Ron formed a band with a few local musicians. The group played local teen dances, parties, and eventually wound up in the club scene. 7<sup>th</sup>, 8<sup>th</sup>, and 9<sup>th</sup> grades are particularly rough times in the development process for teenagers in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">United States</st1:country-region></st1:place>. It is an awkward time when bodies are changing, hormones are raging, and passing through various social gauntlets can be excruciating. Being in a band granted identity to the players as well as exposure as one of the cool cats. Plus, chicks dig musicians for some reason. I never ask why, but it is true and I am thankful for it.
<o:p> </o:p>
Ultimately, the band that came out of high school and burst upon the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place> music scene was named Raindriver. The band included Ron on drums and Wally Dance on bass. Subsequently, Waldemeer “Wally” Dance joined the Belamy Brothers in 1980 and has been playing with them ever since.
<o:p> </o:p>
Not long after the bands move from <st1:placename w:st="on">Satellite</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Beach</st1:placetype>, Raindriver became the premier act in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place>. They performed as the openers for many of the big name groups of the day, such as Blue Oyster Cult, REO Speedwagon and others.
<o:p> </o:p>
The band also played the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place> club scene. Among the gigs they played was a classy venue called The Men’s Garden Club where they would host a weekly jam session. Raindriver would set up their amplifiers, drums, and PA (Public Address) equipment and invite musicians to “sit in” with the band. It gave local musicians a chance to showcase their talents, meet other musicians, find a gig, or earn a free drink or two.
<o:p> </o:p>
The turbulent 1960’s were coming to a close. The <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Viet Nam</st1:country-region></st1:place> conflict was at its height of savagery, butchery, and insanity. Hippies were preaching a message of love, peace, and expanding your mind. Drugs became a favourite method of mind expansion. “Tune in, turn on and drop out” was the often repeated doctrine of acid-guru Timothy Leary. Marijuana, LSD, and cocaine were the expanders that the hippie generation chose, plus two deadly old favourites: alcohol and heroin. The word on the street was that all of those treats could be found at The Men’s Garden Club – where the hippies were.
<o:p> </o:p>
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<o:p> </o:p>
Meanwhile, Ron Russell sat under a tree enjoying the calm. Ron wasn’t a Hendrix fan. Ron’s musical tastes ran more towards jazz than rock and roll. He had heard of Hendrix, but wasn’t very familiar with his work. “I wasn’t really into Hendrix,” Ron explains, “at the time,” he adds with a chuckle. Ron felt a warm rushing wind surround him. Ron could smell a scent that was wonderful, but hard to describe. Ron knew from past experience that his “best friend” was about to speak to him.
<o:p> </o:p>
“Go talk to Jimi. You have something in common,” the voice said. Ron rose and started walking toward Jimi Hendrix.
<o:p> </o:p>
“What do we have in common?” Ron asked the voice.
<o:p> </o:p>
The voice merely repeated, “Talk to Jimi. You have something in common.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix watched Ron curiously as he approached. Jimi asked Ron, “Man, are you crazy?”
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron replied, “No, I’m a rather intelligent person. Why?”
<o:p> </o:p>
“Then, are you a ventriloquist or something?” Jimi probed further.
<o:p> </o:p>
A large smile broke on Ron’s face, “You heard the voice, didn’t you?”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi responded, “Yeah, man. I heard you talking to someone and I heard him, but there wasn’t anyone there.”
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“Congratulations,” Ron beamed, “you are one of the few who has heard the audible voice of God.” Jimi looked puzzled. “Are you familiar with the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Have you accepted Jesus?”
<o:p> </o:p>
“Oh, that religion shit. I don’t believe in that crap,” Hendrix replied.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi didn’t believe in organized religion. He felt that the spiritual message had been lost to power struggles and greed.
<o:p> </o:p>
As Monika Dannemann recounted in her book [I]the inner world of Jimi Hendrix, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[1]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn1)“Jimi explained that he felt the Church had knowledge and wisdom, but that this had to be given in the right way to the people. Much of what is said is right, but seems false. He thought that the Church concealed too much, had distanced itself from the people it wanted to reach, and was not effective in putting across the message of God to the people.”

Ron Russell had come to a similar conclusion years before.
<o:p> </o:p>
“The voice told me that we have something in common,” Ron continued. “Did you ever know Dr. Martin Luther King?”
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix replied, “No, I didn’t. I always wanted to meet him. He was one of my heroes.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Monika Dannemann confirmed Jimi’s love of the civil rights leader, <!---->[2]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn2)“Jimi had great admiration for Martin Luther King and the way he had made important advances for the black cause by peaceful methods. I remember that he spoke of King as someone very special. He rated him as a leading figure of world importance and closely followed his activities on behalf of human rights. Jimi himself stood up for the civil rights movement. His father told me about an incident that occurred when Jimi was still a backing musician. He and the group he played with at that time went into a cinema and sat in seats reserved for whites, to protest for equal rights for black and white. They were all arrested and put in jail until the owner of the club they played at came and bailed them out.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron stated, “Well, I used to be his best friend so that’s not it.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi offered, “I have a favourite aunt who told me about a thing that happened in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Chicago Heights</st1:city></st1:place> a long time ago. Her name was Martha Brown.”
<o:p> </o:p>
“That’s it,” Ron exclaimed. “That’s what we have in common. Let me tell you the story and you tell me if it’s the story you heard.” Ron related the story of the 4-yearold child who had been visited by the Holy Spirit, spoke in tongues, began an association with the Pentecostal Church of God and a lifelong friendship with Martha Brown, the aunt of Jimi Hendrix. “I am [I]the child.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Martha Brown played a pivotal role in the lives of both Ron Russell and Jimi Hendrix. It was Martha who explained to Ron the meaning of what happened to him at age 4. Martha had had a similar trip through the Revival Fires, speaking in tongues and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
<o:p> </o:p>
The two musicians felt an immediate and deep bond. Their spirits spoke to each other exchanging a lifetime of experiences and emotions in a minute. The two began talking about music and influences. Jimi described the concept for his new band that would fuse the elements of Jazz, Classical, Gospel, and Rock together.
<o:p> </o:p>
<!---->[3]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn3)“Jimi wanted to develop, expand, and move on in many fields. In 1969 he intended to change and develop his music, but unfortunately faced strong opposition from his manager, who tried to make Jimi repeat the style of music which initially had made him famous: for example, “Hey Joe” and “Purple Haze”. Mike Jeffery tried to persuade Jimi to stay in line and do what he was told to do. Persuasion meant any means necessary, including strong threats.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron described his early history, from the time he had first seen Gene Krupa and knew that he wanted to be a drummer, through the years of jazz lessons and countless hours of practice, to the jam he was playing that day.
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Jimi invited Ron to join him in the limousine where they could continue their talk in private.<!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_s1029" type="#_x0000_t75" style='position:absolute;margin-left:0;margin-top:-.1pt; width:162pt;height:154.5pt;z-index:251657216;mso-wrap-edited:f; mso-position-horizontal-relative:text;mso-position-vertical-relative:text' wrapcoords="-100 0 -100 21495 21600 21495 21600 0 -100 0"> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\OWNER~1.YOU\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1 \01\clip_image008.png" o:title="photo14"/> <w:wrap type="tight"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><!--[endif]--> Once in the limousine, Jimi pulled out his “works” (drug world slang for equipment used with heroin.) Ron looked on in horror as he watched his new friend “shoot up” to ease his tension.
<o:p> </o:p>
“Man, that stuff is no good, Jimi,” Ron advised. “Where’d you get that?”
<o:p> </o:p>
“I got it from that skinny guy out there,” Jimi pointed out Albert Ronald “Ron” Wells standing in the crowd.
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron Russell quickly exited the limousine and took after Ron Wells. “He was faster than I was then. He’s lucky, ‘cause I would’ve done bodily harm to Ron if I’d have caught him,” Ron Russell recalls now. Years later, in 1994, Ron Russell met up with Ron Wells. Upon hearing Ron Russell speak of his days with Hendrix, Ron Wells interrupted to say, “Hey, you were the guy who was going to kill me because I gave heroin to Hendrix.” It turned out to be the last heroin that Jimi Hendrix ever did.
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix knew well enough what the heroin was doing to him. The previous evening, Jimi had left the stage at Curtis Hixon Hall after playing only three songs. He was strung out. He needed his heroin fix. He couldn’t play without it.
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron Russell returned to the limousine and coaxed Jimi to the stage for a jam with Raindriver. The music that resulted was incredible. The hippies received a preview of the future of Hendrix’ music. As Ron remembers the moment, “It was of God. It was incredible.” The feeling transcended the local scene propelling all who attended to a new plane where music combined with spirituality.
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix felt it too. Memories of the previous evenings debacle disappeared as Jimi began playing with a greater joy and purpose than he had in his recent memory. The dream that he had of combining Jazz, Classical, and Gospel together was flowing from his guitar and was complimented perfectly by the musicians on the stage.
<o:p> </o:p>
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<o:p> </o:p>
<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[4]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn4)“… Jimi was looking for new musicians to work and play with. His dream was to find good players who would also be his friends, which was the reason he chose Billy Cox as a new bass player when Noel Redding left the band.”
<o:p> </o:p>
After the jam session, Ron spoke to Jimi in earnest about the heroin. “Man,” Ron spoke, “if we’re going to be together I want it to really fly. Man, we’ve got to get you off the stuff.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix listened to this new friend intently. Though they had just met they felt as if they had known each other forever. Jimi knew inherently that he could trust Ron, unlike the plethora of parasites that sought him out for his fame and fortune. Ron invited Jimi to stay with him at his humble abode in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place> while Hendrix kicked the ugly habit that was ruining his life and his talent.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi moved in with Ron. The first days were the worst. Jimi was wracked by tremors as the physically addicting drug grudgingly loosed its hold on him. Ron recalls cradling a shuddering Jimi in his arms on the floor.
<o:p> </o:p>
Ron soon learned that Jimi’s problem was due as much to exhaustion as to heroin addiction. Jimi described how his manager, Mike Jeffery, continually pressured him to produce more, tour more, record more… Everything was more, more, more.
<o:p> </o:p>
As Monika recalled, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[5]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn5)“He also told me about the stress and exhaustion he felt after two and a half years of constant touring all over Europe and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></st1:place>, plus recording on top of this. He said that he needed a holiday for a long time, but that his manager, Mike Jeffery, kept on booking new tours, often without first informing him.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi and Ron talked at length about life, death, spirituality, and, particularly, music. They jammed together for hours on end. They also wrote several gospel songs together.
<o:p> </o:p>
“You see, Jimi was a funny guy. When he was alone he didn’t listen to rock and roll. He’d listen to Classical, Jazz, and Gospel. He really loved Gospel music,” Ron recalls. “When Hendrix wrote music he’d hear the whole thing. He couldn’t read a lick of music, but he’d play each instrument in the orchestra’s part. He’d play something and say, ‘I want the violins to play this,’ and so on. He was really remarkable in that way.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi described his love for Monika Dannemann who he called his soul mate. He confided to Ron that he worried about his love for Monika being discovered and exploited by his manager, Mike Jeffery.
<o:p> </o:p>
<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[6]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn6)“Jimi didn’t feel safe anymore, and he also felt unable to protect me from anything that might happen. He told me to wait for him, and that he would come as soon as he had sorted out everything with his manager. He wanted to break free from his management first and then join me in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">England</st1:country-region></st1:place>,” wrote Monika Dannemann.
<o:p> </o:p>
Monika Dannemann further described Jimi’s paranoia, “In the last eighteen months of his life, several threatening events made Jimi cautious. In May 1969 he was arrested at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Toronto</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Airport</st1:placetype></st1:place> for carrying drugs, which he believed Jeffery had got someone else to plant on him. Death threats and other attempts to intimidate Jimi followed. He was even kidnapped by people who told him they were Mafiosi, then miraculously ‘rescued’ on Jeffery’s orders. These events made Jimi ask me not to join him in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place> after his tour, as he feared that Jeffery might try to use me as a way of blackmailing Jimi. When I protested, saying that I could look after myself and that I wanted to help him, Jimi told me about a dream he had had some months before. He had made this into a song called ‘Look Over Yonder’. In this dream he saw an evil force taking his love away after discovering her.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi believed the dream to be a premonition – a warning about what could happen if his love was discovered – and he wanted to be able to protect me from its becoming reality.”
<o:p> </o:p>
It was clear to Ron that Jimi desperately wanted to change his management situation. But his manager had neatly tied up Jimi in legal entanglements.
<o:p> </o:p>
Monika echoed Ron’s thoughts, “<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[7]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn7)Jimi told me that he was thinking of leaving his manager for good. He felt it was high time to take control over his music and his life, especially as he wanted to change his image and his music drastically, to convey more spiritual messages with solutions for the people and the problems in life. However, he feared that Jeffery would do everything in his power to prevent this.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi listened intently as Ron Russell told of his friendship with Dr. Martin Luther King from their first meeting in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Melbourne</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">Florida</st1:state></st1:place> in 1962 until Dr. King’s murder in 1968. Ron confided to Jimi the incredible sense of loss that he felt following Martin’s assassination.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi confided to Ron that some “heavy shit” had been happening around him; that he feared for his own safety. A sentiment that Monika reflected, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[8]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn8)“Jimi felt more and more unsafe in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place>, the city where he used to feel so much at home. It had begun to seem like a prison to him, and a place where he had to watch his back all the time.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Hendrix told Ron that Mike Jeffery was constantly making deals behind his back attempting to control the superstar’s every movement.
<o:p> </o:p>
Monika relates the circumstances of the previous tour, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[9]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn9)“When Jimi arrived in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place> his manager told him that Mitch and Noel were on their way to join him. He had booked studio time for the group to do some recording before starting their <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region></st1:place> tour. Jimi was very upset, as he had planned to fly back to <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place> to meet my family, and he had a row with Jeffrey. He also found out that his manager had added new dates to the tour, which would now last until the end of June. As had happened many times before, Mike Jeffrey had ruined Jimi’s plans for a badly needed holiday, to which we had both been looking forward.
<o:p> </o:p>
When Jimi asked Jeffery to shorten the tour, he was told that the money was needed and also that if he broke the tour contract Jeffery had signed in his name, it would cost Jimi dearly. Once again, his manager had arranged things over Jimi’s head, only informing him when it was too late to change the arrangements.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi knew that Jeffery was exerting every effort to maintain control of him. As Monika observed, “I know from Jimi himself that there were people around him, including his manager, who were vitally interested in keeping him supplied with drugs and who offered them to him all the time. They obviously believed that it would make it easier to handle and control him this way, especially if they could get him addicted (a common method of dealing with rock musicians.)”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi related an incident that occurred at Woodstock intended to show him who was in control, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[10]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn10)“While Jimi was in a house near Woodstock, practicing for the Festival, Jeffery and some Italian Mafia types dropped by and told him that he had to play at the opening night of the Salvation, a New York club with strong Mafia connections. Jimi had refused before, but while Jeffery went into the house to persuade Jimi, the other men stayed outside and started some target practice with a gun. Jimi understood the message and did the gig.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jeffery went so far as to orchestrate a kidnapping of Hendrix to strengthen his control, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[11]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn11)“There were several more incidents intended to intimidate Jimi, and his band were also threatened that they should play certain clubs – or else.
However, the most menacing incident took place in the autumn of 1969, when Jimi was visited by two men. They said they had been sent by Jeffery to pick up Jimi, and he believed them. The next thing Jimi knew, he had been kidnapped, and the men told him they belonged to the Mafia.
Jimi was hidden in a warehouse somewhere in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place>. At first Jimi believed that they would kill him, but as time passed and nothing happened he realized something else was going on. While he was a prisoner they threatened him, but did not hurt him, so Jimi could not figure out what they wanted. The next day he was told to call Jeffery and let him know that Jimi was dead unless the manager handed over the contract he had with Jimi. Then, all of a sudden, and seemingly out of nowhere, Jeffery’s people turned up and rescued Jimi.”
<o:p> </o:p>
The light in Jimi’s brain finally illuminated as to the lengths that his manager would go to maintain his income, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[12]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn12)“When he had recovered from the shock, Jimi came to the conclusion that Jeffery, unbeknownst to the people who rescued him, had been behind the kidnapping from the start, and that the whole thing had been staged to bring Jimi into line and make him realize just how much he was in Jeffery’s power. The simple message seemed to be that if Jeffery wanted, he could do anything to Jimi.”
<o:p> </o:p>
But Jimi was defiant, determined to free himself of what amounted to modern day slavery, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[13]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn13)“But this didn’t stop Jimi trying even harder to get out of his contract with Jeffery. The biggest problem was that if Jimi just walked out of the contract, Jeffery would still keep the rights to a considerable amount of unpublished material. Jimi feared that if he lost control of this Jeffery would be able to manipulate the tapes according to his own commercial taste, by having the music and message changed, rearranged and effectively destroyed.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi Hendrix found himself in a position familiar to musicians like “Little Richard”, Chuck Berry, Billie Holiday and a host of other talented folks who had a genius for music, but were ignorant of business machinations. The underhanded tactics of managers like Mike Jeffery were beyond the imagination of creators like Hendrix. Until, it was too late, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[14]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn14)“business deal and financial power-play gave Jeffery a legal stranglehold on Jimi as well. The Jimi Hendrix Experience was Jeffery’s main source of income and he was determined to squeeze as much as he could out of this successful formula. In 1970 problems and pressures on Jimi accumulated, as several lawsuits were tying up his money and he was in debt as a result of the building of a recording studio in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place>.”
<o:p> </o:p>
Greed, one of the oldest motivators in history, possessed Mike Jeffery. He would literally stop at nothing to protect his prize revenue machine. For that is how he perceived Jimi, not as a human, a creator, a sensitive being, but as a piece of meat with value in the marketplace. Mike Jeffery considered Jimi Hendrix as his property not unlike the slave owners of the Antebellum South.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jeffery wanted Jimi to crank out more hits like an assembly line drone committed to a quota of toaster production.

<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[15]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn15)“In the meantime Jeffery tried to push Jimi into reforming the Experience, but with no success. Through the last months of 1969 and the beginning of 1970, Jimi tried to bring out some new material, but was stopped by his management, who thought the songs to be too spiritual and not commercial enough. In between, he kept trying to find the missing money and a way out of his management contract. As Jeffery would tell me later, at a meeting after Jimi’s death, Jimi had made seven attempts in all to free himself.”
<o:p> </o:p>
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Jimi had been trying to recruit a keyboard player that he had met in his early days of club gigs in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1:place>. Keith Emerson was the enigmatic keyboard player for the band Nice. Emerson was fascinated with Jimi’s concept of fusing disparate musical elements together. However, Jimi was unable to extricate himself in time and Keith joined forces with former King Crimson bassist and lead singer, Greg Lake, and the drummer from The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, Carl Palmer, to form the infamous classical rock group Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
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The players for the Jimi Hendrix Fusion band were set: Jimi Hendrix on guitar and lead vocals, jazz legend Bobby Lyle on keyboards, multitalented bass player Wally Dance on bass, and Ron Russell on drums.
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At the end of his stay, Jimi Hendrix was clean. He had wrestled the monkey from his back. He hadn’t felt that good since his days as guitar man with the Isley Brothers. He looked forward to a future that would see him moving in new musical directions.
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But first, he had to make some money. Electric Lady Studios was an enormous drain on his cash resources. Jimi agreed to play a short tour of <st1:place w:st="on">Europe</st1:place> to raise the much-needed cash.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi invited Ron to drum for him on the tour. Unfortunately, Ron didn’t have a passport and there wasn’t sufficient time for him to secure one before the tour began. Ron had to pass on the offer, a fact that haunts him to this day. Had he accompanied Jimi on tour perhaps Jimi would not have died.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi was left with but one alternative: to do the tour with his old drummer Mitch Mitchell. Mitchell was limited in his abilities as a drummer and was also a highly excitable individual, prone to violent outbursts if crossed. Ron Russell had several confrontations with Mitch and, “they weren’t pretty,” Ron reports.
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Mike Jeffery feared people like Ron Russell because they threatened his hold on Jimi, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[16]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn16)“Jeffery did not like Jimi to have friends who would put ideas in his head and give him strength. He preferred Jimi to be more isolated, or to mix with certain people whom Jeffery could use to influence and try to manipulate him.” It was Jeffery’s intent to keep Jimi isolated. Perhaps it was he who promoted the conflicts between Mitch Mitchell and Ron Russell.
<o:p> </o:p>
Jimi Hendrix left for the European tour. He called frequently to talk to Ron Russell about song ideas for the album that they would record when he returned to the States. Jimi sounded very happy. Ron’s heart could feel the change that had come over his friend. Jimi wrote a dozen or more new tunes during the tour. His playing took on a new purpose as well. As if he was already playing with the new band.
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On <st1:date month="9" day="18" year="1970" w:st="on">September 18<sup>th</sup>, 1970</st1:date>, Ron was teaching a Head Start class at <st1:placename w:st="on">Manhattan</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Middle School</st1:placetype> in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place>. Ron’s best friend, Martin Luther King, had started the Head Start program and Ron felt compelled to help forward his friends vision. “I had thirty little black kids there and they were all precious,” Ron recalls.
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Early that morning, the principle of the school came down to get Ron. “Jimi Hendrix is on the phone for you,” the principle said. His voice belied his initial disbelief that the [I]real Jimi Hendrix was actually calling the school. Ron smiled and said, “Cool. It’s ok, he’s a friend of mine.”
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Jimi sounded very good to Ron’s ears. Hendrix was in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1:place> at the flat of his girlfriend and soul mate, Monika Dannemann. Jimi was in good health and spirits. Jimi and Ron talked for a few moments about the upcoming sessions at Electric Lady in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place>. Jimi would be returning to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state></st1:place> in a few days and was eager to get his new band into the studio.
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Then, Ron heard a familiar voice enter the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1:place> flat.
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The mood quickly turned ugly. “Is that that fucking drummer from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city></st1:place>,” Ron recognized the voice. “You tell him that he’s never gonna record with you. He’s never gonna play with you. He’s never gonna get any money out of you.”
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All of the hair on Ron’s body stood on end in alarm. Ron felt a terrible wave of dread wash over him.
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“Jimi, get out of there, man. I’m getting’ a bad feeling about this.”
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Hendrix laughed off Ron’s warning, “Ah, don’t worry about him, he’s just crazy. I’ve handled him before.”
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Ron cried out, “Jimi?”
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Ron heard the telephone receiver fall to the floor and his friend with it. He could hear Jimi Hendrix choking and vomiting. Ron was horrified. He was helpless. He was an ocean away and couldn’t help his friend with whatever was happening to him. Ron came to the sickening realization: he was listening to his friend die a horrible, agonizing death.
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Then, Ron heard the voice that he had immediately recognized moments before. It was the voice of former Hendrix Experience drummer Mitch Mitchell. The voice said to an accomplice, “Get those pills and jam ‘em down his throat.” As a person regurgitates they naturally inhale and influx anything in their throat. Mitchell was setting up the cover story: Rock Star Dies Of Overdose.
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And then, silence.
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There was no longer any sound from Jimi Hendrix. For a time there was no sound form the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1:place> flat save for some shuffling and dragging sounds.
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At the other end of the wire Ron was pleading, “What is going on? Jimi? Jimi? Are you there?”
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Jimi didn’t reply.
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Eventually, the receiver was picked up. Ron recognized the voice of Mitch Mitchell who coldly, flatly stated, “The nigger is dead! And I’m coming for you next.”
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In shock, Ron responded, “Come on. I live in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Tampa</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">Florida</st1:state></st1:place>. I’m waiting for you.” Then, the line went dead.
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Ron was confused, dazed, shocked. What had just happened? Could it be true? Did he just hear his good friends’ murder? What should he do? What could he do?
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Ron called Martha Brown, Jimi’s aunt. He described to her what happened. Martha was shocked by the news. She excused herself to call Jimi’s father, Al Hendrix, with the tragic news. Ron expected that authorities would contact him for his statement about the murder. He was never contacted.
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“I can’t say for sure who the other person in the room was, but I strongly suspect that it was Michael Jeffery,” Ron states. “I can’t prove that Jeffery was there,” Ron pauses, “But I can prove that Mitch Mitchell murdered Jimi Hendrix!”
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If Mike Jeffery could exert the kind of control that Monika and others have described over a mega-star like Jimi Hendrix how could a semi-talented drummer like Mitch Mitchell refuse to do his bidding? Mitchell’s income source would dry up as well if Jimi made the change in musical direction that he intended. Even with Jimi dead they had enough material recorded to release Hendrix albums for decades.
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That is in fact what happened. Jimi Hendrix holds the dubious distinction of having released the most posthumous albums of any artist ever.
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To normal folks this would seem a shortsighted approach at best. To literally kill the goose that was laying the golden eggs. Jimi Hendrix had already revolutionized the world of rock and roll as well as the art of guitar playing. Had he just been allowed to follow his own inspired course he surely would have continued to lead rock in new directions. After all, isn’t that what really made him the star that he was?
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But, Mike Jeffery was far from typical. He bragged that he had served in the British Secret Service. He fancied himself as a James Bond and frequently promoted stories that supported that persona. Jeffrey told all who would listen that he was, <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[17]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn17)“A specialist in all sorts of things, he knew all the tricks of the trade and early on in his career had had connections with the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Newcastle</st1:city></st1:place> crime scene. Now he had got involved with the New York Mafia, and was also into the occult. He developed close links with one person in particular who had connections with a brutal dictatorship, mercenaries and the Mafia”
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The picture painted by all who knew Mike Jeffery is not flattering. <!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[18]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn18)“Jeffrey was not a guy to mess around with. He said that he had been a British secret agent in M126 and kept circulating stories of having done undercover work, including killing people.”
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Jeffery claimed to have killed before. Following Jimi’s death the manager commenced with the cover up. “A press conference at which I would explain the true circumstances of Jimi’s death was scheduled for the day of the inquest, but cancelled by Jeffery, again, in retrospect, for obvious reasons. He was simply not interested in clearing up the public misconception that Jimi had died of a drug overdose.”
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Just another rock star that got too high; a black man who sang of voodoo. Jeffery could depend on the fact that officials wouldn’t look to closely for foul play in this matter. He didn’t underestimate the indifference with which authorities treated Jimi’s demise despite the fact that the physical evidence did not support this conclusion.
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<!--[if !supportFootnotes]-->[19]<!--[endif]--> (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#_ftn19)“Likewise untrue is the allegation that Jimi died of an overdose. When he died in September 1970 he had no drugs in his system apart from some sleeping pills and traces of amphetamine. There was absolutely no trace of hard drugs.”
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The autopsy reports the discovery of an “unknown substance” in Jimi’s blood. Ron Russell states that, “they injected Jimi in the temple, behind the hairline.” A normal autopsy would not have discovered the tiny puncture mark obscured by Jimi’s thick hair. “I believe that whatever that unknown substance was that it is what killed him,” Ron declares. <!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shape id="_x0000_i1026" type="#_x0000_t75" style='width:342pt;height:428.25pt'> <v:imagedata src="file:///C:\DOCUME~1\OWNER~1.YOU\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtmlclip1 \01\clip_image015.png" o:title="death"/> </v:shape><![endif]--><!--[if !vml]--><!--[endif]-->
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Ron Russell fell into a deep funk of nearly overwhelming depression. Another close friend had been murdered. A little over two years before on April 4<sup>th</sup>, 1968, Ron’s best friend, civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, had been murdered. Ron had been devastated by Dr. King’s death. And now, he had lost his dear friend Jimi Hendrix.
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Ron drew within himself fearing to get close to anyone lest they be murdered too.
<o:p> </o:p>
The natural question is: Why didn’t Ron speak out about this murder sooner?
<o:p> </o:p>
The answer is quite simple: The pain of remembering was too great. Ron buried the memories deep within his mind.
Ron suppressed his memories for over 25 years.
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Why now?
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Why Ron has decided to tell his story after so many years is perhaps the hardest question to answer. Ron has a very successful career going as percussionist for singer Bertie Higgins’ Band of Pirates. The band is about to start a lucrative long-term gig at the Paradise Hotel in Las Vegas; a fat payday, living in the lavish lap of luxury – all expenses paid. Going public with his murder allegations leaves Ron with nothing to gain and literally everything to lose. Perhaps, even his life.
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I first published an article on this story in December of 2001 after about two years of interviews and research. Researching this story is extremely difficult.
Some of the complications are:


It has been 30 years since Jimi Hendrix died.
The Hendrix family didn’t respond to my queries. It seems that they don’t want to disturb Jimi’s memory.
Eric Burden refused to meet with me for a private viewing of our interview with Ron Russell – even though Mr. Burden was playing a gig a mere 30 miles away from me.
Michael Jeffries died mysteriously in a plane crash a few years after Jimi and is thus unavailable for comment.
Monika Dannemann died mysteriously of monoxide poisoning in her garage shortly after publishing her book of paintings and remembrances of her life with Jimi.
The London Police have been totally uncooperative. The attitude I get from them is that they barely have time to investigate recent murders.
Mitch Mitchell hasn’t responded to my queries. While I don’t expect a confession, I do expect a denial. A quick explanation of alibi. But all I’ve gotten is silence.
Many of the contacts that I interviewed were cooperative at first but then mysteriously stopped responding to me. Did someone get to them?
Several of my interviewees expressed concern about their own safety and would only speak anonymously. One informant from The Hendrix Experience days stated directly, “He has killed before. He wouldn’t think twice about dropping me.”
A research trip to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Seattle</st1:city></st1:place> proved fruitless. The Seattle Times refused to talk with me. As did everyone else that I attempted to contact.

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I decided to publish the story in order to garner a response and hopefully flush out folks with information that would either confirm or contradict Ron Russell’s allegations.
<o:p> </o:p>
The Café Be At received many responses most of which condemned us for publishing the story. However, none of the messages contained any information that contradicted Ron Russell’s account. Rather than offer intellectual arguments against our story, the writers attempted to shout us down.
<o:p> </o:p>
"Y_O_U A_R_E N_U_T_S," wrote Marco Granetto, an avid Hendrix fan.
<o:p> </o:p>
In an exclusive interview with Wanda Boudreaux, Marco failed to produce any relevant evidence, just more intimations of our collective insanity.

Wanda reports that, "Marco is really a sweet guy. He's a very passionate Hendrix fan who has read books and listened to hours of interviews of Jimi. That is the basis of his objections."
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The Cafe' Be At wholeheartedly stands by Ron Russell and his account of the heinous and, as yet, un-prosecuted murder of the greatest guitar player of all time, James Marshall Hendrix.

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This article is a faithful report of the remembrances of Ron Russell. Every person that we have talked to who knows Ron responds similarly: “If it were anyone other than Ron telling this story I wouldn’t believe it.”
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Responses from those who do not know Ron Russell personally are generally poorly worded attacks that tell us that the story is large steaming pile of crap. (If only they were that eloquent.) However, to this day we have not received one shred of credible evidence that refutes this story.
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If you have comments or information concerning this story we invite you to write to us at:
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Armond@cafebeat.org
PrincessJ@cafebeat.org
RonRussell@cafebeat.org
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And please visit the site http://cafebeat.org (http://cafebeat.org/) for updates to this developing story.
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MourningStar
11-01-09, 08:57 PM
That link attempts a download on my system. Can someone post the article here?




thnx,

cleanuponaisle76
11-01-09, 09:18 PM
That link attempts a download on my system. Can someone post the article here?




thnx,

I edited the article into the original post MS.

ilovejimi
11-01-09, 09:41 PM
Phone call by Jimi (phone records?) Needle to the head (nothing Ive read in the autopsy) Mitch calling his friend "Nigger", being in town that day etc. Personally this story is beyond maddness. After reading the post, I have to reconcile the fact I will never get back those 8 minutes. :bartmoon::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1: :thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::t hban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thban1::thb an1: People like Ron.... ah forget it! To be fair- I wasnt there so I dont have any real hard facts- But I say Rons accounts DO NOT make any sence to me- Lets face it, Im an expert on my own opinion, :wave:

MourningStar
11-01-09, 10:19 PM
Another contribution to the many accounts. - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/smilie-2.gif

For me, whatever turns out to be the truth, so what?!!! Jimi is dead and dead is dead. Period.



... but the music lives!

voodoo
11-01-09, 10:55 PM
Mitch killing jimi? I think NOT! Mitch loved jimi and was very devastated over his death. Mitch wouldn't have hurt Hendrix in any way. What a bunch of lies.

cleanuponaisle76
11-01-09, 11:49 PM
I do not see it happening either. I thought that the article was entertaining and deserved at least a view.

MourningStar
11-02-09, 12:52 AM
I do not see it happening either. I thought that the article was entertaining and deserved at least a view.WTF?!! Entertaining? As in slowing down to see what gore can be scoped at a massive auto wreck? OK - I'll bite. For me, these 'conspiracy/murder' scenarios are a 'fun' excersize in filling in the blanks. Here is one : Mitch (as much as he 'loved' Jimi) would be quite accomodating to murdering Hendrix were the 'other person' pointing a gun at his head.



next?

purple jim
11-02-09, 01:48 AM
Sounds like a cheap movie script. Absolutely stupid.

buffalorattle
11-02-09, 04:17 AM
This is the biggest crock of BS I have read in over 40 years of following The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Im all for the freedom of speech,But Ron Russell abuses that right,It almost made me vomit,Nothing personal Cleanuponaisle76,Anybody who was in the vicinity of the Samarkand Hotel on 18th Sept 70,Could have done the deed according to this theory,Jimi is dead, I have stuggled to accept that fact,But accept it I have,Claims like this just open old festering wounds

backfromthestorm
11-02-09, 05:38 AM
Mitch was limited in his ability's and prone to violent outbursts? Hmmm. Never heard that one before.

stplsd
11-02-09, 08:20 AM
^
I think it's neccessary to say what you mean clearly.
"Keeping riff-raff to a minimum" is what I'm about

cleanuponaisle76
11-02-09, 10:45 AM
then you and I shall get along just fine.

cleanuponaisle76
11-02-09, 10:48 AM
hey, I would never believe this shit for a second. but I thought it was interesting and something a few of you might want to see.

ilovejimi
11-02-09, 09:57 PM
hey, I would never believe this shit for a second. but I thought it was interesting and something a few of you might want to see.
Thank you for the article- certainly not upset with you, not shooting the messenger here. I wish folks like Ron would not put this stuff out there without substantuated evidence. Problem is that crap gets passed around as fact and after long periods of time, new generations are fed untruths- its a dis-service to the legacy of Jimi. Even today people go around claiming Jimi died of a heroin overdose etc. Just myths, imagination and lies masquarding as truth. :wave:. Reminds me of the 100 million or so people that all claimed to of killed JFK or Hoffa (yes im exagerating)- so much noncence, so many people that need to get a life. :bananasmile:

purple jim
11-03-09, 10:30 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/0e06a_19670.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

dino77
11-03-09, 10:39 AM
http://www.noob.fr/upload/0e06a_19670.jpg (http://www.noob.fr)

Proof of Mitch's..."murderous urges"? :wave:. RIP Mitch, master of drums.

RobbieRadio
11-03-09, 12:02 PM
Yada, Yada, Yada, another guy who took 39 years to open his mouth. YAWN! He must have gotten the idea after reading Tappy White's book!

purple jim
11-03-09, 12:36 PM
I always knew it was Mitch. The way he twirled those drumsticks and snarled all the time. A dead giveaway.

E-Dubb
11-03-09, 01:40 PM
Yada, Yada, Yada, another guy who took 39 years to open his mouth. YAWN! He must have gotten the idea after reading Tappy White's book!
actually you have to give this guy points for originality,robbie...i came across this story at least 5 years ago and emailed the link to the story to ceasar glebbeck who replied to me he was already aware of this guys outlandish claims but not to worry about anyone taking him to serious because his timlines just didnt add up...although,now it looks as if he did a little homework and changed his tune to a degree because when i came across this story years ago,his claim was jimi stayed at his home for 2 months to get clean(wich is something anybody on this site would know was an impossibility in late 68)...also,i dont remember the mitch mitchell murdering jimi angle but maybe the idea of that just slipped my mind because the story is so damned ridiculous...if i remember correctly mr. russell said he was aware of who killed jimi but only hinted at jeffrey's involvment and didnt give a name on who actually did the hit,though he did say he recognized the voice in the background that suddenly picked the phone up off the floor soon after jimi's demise to say "the nigger is dead" than proceed to make threats to mr. russell...i guess now that mitch has passed its safe for russell to name drop because he has no worry about that partime mafioso hitman part time rock n' roll drummer mitch snuffing him out now;)russell did however leave intact the part where after jimi was shot up by force in the head than stays on the phone long enough to say's"ouch,i just got jammed in the temple with a needle"before he and the phone reciever both collapse to the floor,rather than putting the phone down and struggling with his potential attackers...man,i didnt think i would hear about ron russell again...i thought this story was long buried but i guess with the murder claims that have come out against jeffrey and the book by "tappy" wright this opens the door for a wack job like russel to have some sort of substantiation to his claims of jimi being murdered...mr. russell might just get a book deal and his 15 min. afterall:(

lsdmofro
05-30-10, 12:08 AM
HA!!! Let's push the new conspiracy theory here! And for those of you who can't get enough of the regurgitation...as i'm quite sure this one has been spread around before. Does any one have that book with Monika's D's paintings...it's pretty god awful...I think in one too she painted him playing right handed. She killed herself after she published this book...probably the guilt of being a fuck up and not paying attention in CPR class did her in after all those years...or just maybe, the MANAGER Killed her too as she was gonna spill the beans! This is a case for Matlock with presiding judge judy!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/273557 source

WE also beat to death this from another angle:
http://www.crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=1744


New book claims Jimi Hendrix murdered by manager

By Michael Cosgrove.

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</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> The book, ‘Rock Roadie’, was written by an ex-Hendrix roadie, James Wright. He claims in the book that Hendrix’s Manager at the time of his death, Michael Jeffrey, killed him in order to cash in on an insurance policy taken out by Hendrix.
Jimi Hendrix’s death is still being discussed 40 years after he died in a London hotel room on September 18 1970. He was 27. The official cause of death was recorded as being “Barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit.” The coroner’s verdict was an ‘Open Verdict.’ An open verdict in English law means that a death is suspicious but that a coroner is unable to reach any other verdict option. But Wright claims in his book, to be issued at the end of June by JR Books, that Jeffrey told him back in 1971 that he killed Hendrix because he was worried that Hendrix was going to fire him and that the life insurance taken out by Hendrix would entitle him to two million dollars in the event of the guitarist’s death. Wright is quoted (http://www.nme.com/news/jimi-hendrix/45021) by several music business papers as saying “I can still hear that conversation, see the man I'd known for so much of my life, his face pale, hand clutching at his glass in sudden rage." Jeffrey is said to have declared "I was London the night of Jimi’s death and together with some old friends... we went round to Monika’s hotel room, got a handful of pills and stuffed them into his mouth...then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe." He apparently goes on to say that “I had to do it. Jimi was worth much more to me dead than alive. "That son of a bitch was going to leave me. If I lost him, I'd lose everything." “Monika” is Minika Dannemann, one of Hendrix’s girlfriends, who spent Hendrix’s last night alive with him in the hotel room, at the Samarkand Hotel. It seems certain that Wright is going to get a lot of media attention when the book is officially released because, unfortunately, Jeffery won’t be able to comment his allegations. He died in a plane collision near Nantes, France, in March of 1973. Wright is sure to be grilled on why he kept the information to himself for so long, only revealing it now that he has written his book. There is other testimony implicating Jeffery however. Alex Constantine, in a book published by Feral House in 2000 called ‘The Covert War Against Rock,’ wrote that, two days after Hendrix’s death, Jeffrey confided to Producer Alan Douglas that he was “Implicated” in the affair. The book was about the violent deaths of several famous rock musicians. Another element that helps keep alive the doubt surrounding the manner of Hendrix’s death is Dannemann’s testimony at the time and subsequently, which does not appear to be consistent. But she cannot be questioned on Wright’s assertions either. She committed suicide in 1996. More grounds for doubt and rumour are to be found in the testimony of John Bannister, one of the medical team that attended to Hendrix upon his arrival at the hospital. He has said several times that although Hendrix’s lungs were full of wine, his blood alcohol level was low. If one adds to all that the very singular personality of Michael Jeffrey, a man variously said to have been a Mafia member, close to the FBI, and fraudster, the whole affair becomes very complicated. His relations with Hendrix were often conflictual and his contract was set to end at the end of 1970. Mix all that together, throw in Wright’s book for seasoning, and you get an explosive cocktail that will surely stoke the fires of contention that surround Jimi Hendrix’s death for a while to come.

MourningStar
05-30-10, 02:08 AM
resurrecting this topic is definitely beating a dead horse and the community here doesn't need further bollockspeak from our resident Michael Jeffrey fan club.

stplsd
05-30-10, 09:16 PM
bollocks

Sharpstat
05-31-10, 12:30 PM
bollocks

+1 "bollocks"

Poor horse must be ready for canned food by now it's been beaten so much?

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 12:55 PM
+1 "bollocks"

Poor horse must be ready for canned food by now it's been beaten so much?

+2 bollucks-- the only way to advance this story is for real evidence to come forward, and that is not likely since so many of the key players are now dead. I'm still waiting for Eric Burdon to come clean- death bed confesion?? who knows!

Even if we did know the truth- the bottom line is that it will still remain a tragic event with our hero Mr James Marshal Hendrix- still Resting in Peace (hopefully- remember Jefferies has past over too).:smittayllama:

Fenders Fingers
05-31-10, 01:01 PM
+3 BOLLOCKS.
Thing is if we did get the truth now would we recognise it as such? In short would we believe it or dismiss it as BOLLOX ?
As for Burdon and a confession. Not a chance as it'd leave him in such a poor light and he fuckin' knows it !

Sharpstat
05-31-10, 01:12 PM
+3 BOLLOCKS.
Thing is if we did get the truth now would we recognise it as such? In short would we believe it or dismiss it as BOLLOX ?
As for Burdon and a confession. Not a chance as it'd leave him in such a poor light and he fuckin' knows it !


I still think that it was not a planned event,duh! The time gap is the only damaging evidence. My own personal opinion and this is just the fact that I am in the profession of responding to emergencies such as our late hero's demise. They found him dead already and tried to cover it up. Only Burdon can answer this and he won''t ever do that!

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 01:15 PM
+3 BOLLOCKS.
As for Burdon and a confession. Not a chance as it'd leave him in such a poor light and he fuckin' knows it !

thats true+ it would really do in his legacy. on the other hand I believe his involvement (if any) was in helping to cover up the mess. If that would be the case, just come out with the truth, afterall he would never go down in history as the murderer. Come on Eric, be the friend you claim you were to Jimi, and put Jimi's legacy back on the right track with regard to knowledge you have of the death.

In the end-- maybe there just isnt any more info to be had (even by Eric): hence our poor dead horse :wheelchair1:.

hmm Just ate some dead horse.... taste like chicken :wave:

lsdmofro
05-31-10, 01:22 PM
I was just trying to strike some laughs in good fun. Jimi could care less...our hero's dead. Man, Eric just played around my neighborhood at the local casino...if I would have known he might have personally been involved, I would have marched down there and heckled him...maybe even beat his fat ass!

johanincr
05-31-10, 01:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilty_%281971_album%29

Guilty! Burdon's first album after Jimi passed away...

http://www.horseracegame.com/community/files/public_gallery/beatingA_DeadHorse.gif

MourningStar
05-31-10, 01:36 PM
this site has about a million moderators. one would think at least one of them would find this previously discussed topic, post the link and close this thread. never have I run across a site with so many moderators and little to no moderating -

:D

Fenders Fingers
05-31-10, 01:37 PM
I still think that it was not a planned event,duh! The time gap is the only damaging evidence. My own personal opinion and this is just the fact that I am in the profession of responding to emergencies such as our late hero's demise. They found him dead already and tried to cover it up. Only Burdon can answer this and he won''t ever do that!

Never suggested he did "do the deadly deed", but he was deeply involved with events. Yes, his involvement was after the event. But I'm unclear of a lot of things here, are you? Was Jimi dead when Monica made the call to him, was Jimi dead when he turned up. Was he ( Burdon) more interested in protecting someone / something at the expence of Jimi's life !
Never came close to even suggesting a "planned event", Duh !
I have no idea what really occured on this day and Burdon is not going to enlighten us, ever.

Fenders Fingers
05-31-10, 01:38 PM
this site has about a million moderators. one would think at least one of them would find this previously discussed topic, post the link and close this thread. never have I run across a site with so many moderators and little to no moderating -

:D

Makes for the best site ever :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

MourningStar
05-31-10, 01:45 PM
Makes for the best site ever :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::puke:

johanincr
05-31-10, 01:46 PM
http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=2262 (Ron Russells murder claims)

http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=1744 ('murdered by his manager')

http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=864 ( another murder thread )

It does come up now and then, but merging all those topics would be even more confusing with all the different fantasies about how what happened.

MourningStar
05-31-10, 01:52 PM
... It does come up now and then, but merging all those topics would be even more confusing with all the different fantasies about how what happened.So what? who would give a freekin' rat's ass? it's a fucked up subject to begin with. merge them.

johanincr
05-31-10, 01:59 PM
So what? who would give a freekin' rat's ass? it's a fucked up subject to begin with. merge them.

Done!

All merged into the The Jimi Hendrix Political Harassment, Kidnap and Murder Experience (http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=864)

:rimshot:

univibs
05-31-10, 02:20 PM
and Burdon is not going to enlighten us, ever.

maybe if someone brave enough will tell that to the Scotland Yard, they will invite him for an investigation of some kind.

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 02:27 PM
^ I dont think Scotland Yard gives crap:

In 1991, Hendrix's ex-girlfriend, Kathy Etchingham, along with Mitch Mitchell and his wife Dee, began prodding Scotland Yard to reopen an investigation into their friend's death. England's attorney general finally agreed to the request in 1993; in early 1994 Scotland Yard announced it had found no evidence to bother pursuing the case any further.

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 02:29 PM
Done!

All merged into the The Jimi Hendrix Political Harassment, Kidnap and Murder Experience (http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=864)

:rimshot:

thank you Johan-- ill get the next one :rimshot:

lsdmofro
05-31-10, 03:25 PM
I had no idea I would ignite the small fire cracker that would start the avalance of bullshit, AGAIN! Sorry guys...I just thought it was kinda of a joke...didn't know that dead horse would be hooked up to the wagon, yet again...MY APOLOGIES!!!!

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 03:34 PM
I had no idea I would ignite the small fire cracker that would start the avalance of bullshit, AGAIN! Sorry guys...I just thought it was kinda of a joke...didn't know that dead horse would be hooked up to the wagon, yet again...MY APOLOGIES!!!!
haw haw-- no apology needed-- we call this havin fun. dont worry, that dead horse is here to stay :chrisfarley:

Fenders Fingers
05-31-10, 03:39 PM
^
Yep, this dead horse has a few good furlongs in it yet !! :D

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 03:56 PM
. Man, Eric just played around my neighborhood at the local casino...if I would have known he might have personally been involved, I would have marched down there and heckled him...maybe even beat his fat ass!

Someone should beat his fat ass for his lackluster performances-- he needs to hang it up, his singing is junk (dont get me wrong I love a lot of his songs ie Sky Pilot"). I saw him a few years ago in Detroit- he made a lot of childish drug references ie "Wonder what I could score from Henry Ford Hospital". Just too pathetic-- I dont know, maybe hes just misunderstood :fnd2022:.
:scarface7mn:

MourningStar
05-31-10, 04:08 PM
"Jeeezuzzzz, Come on now peoples, move along now, ... move on, nothing to see."


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/AVATAR/bradsbrain.gif

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 04:14 PM
"Jeeezuzzzz, Come on now peoples, move along now, ... move on, nothing to see."


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/AVATAR/bradsbrain.gif haw haw, no way!-- this is by far the most important thread in all of cyberland. We are going to get to the bottom of what happen to Jimi or my name isnt Al.

Fenders Fingers
05-31-10, 04:26 PM
Your name ain't Al ................................... !!

ilovejimi
05-31-10, 05:17 PM
Your name ain't Al ................................... !!
haw haw your right (its still Scott) :rimshot:

Fenders Fingers
06-01-10, 12:27 PM
haw haw your right (its still Scott) :rimshot:

I know :-):banana2::banana2:

Fenders Fingers
06-01-10, 12:30 PM
:puke:

Indeed :cheese::cheese::cheese:

Herman Cherusken
06-01-10, 03:14 PM
The cunt killed him...

:D

Lets start this from the beginning, what do we know, and not...?

lsdmofro
06-01-10, 06:51 PM
SWEET! WE are starting from the beginning... and how about a betting pool?

If we are gonna start fresh, I wanna see charts, suspect lineage, real PI stuff here guys! And, of course, the betting pool squares! Or we need an odds maker...someone out here has gotta be qualified enough with numbers or at least knows a bookie to put that all together...

I've got 2 dollars to WIN on the fat ass beat to death horse and hippie carriage: Eric and Monika Show! Spill the Beans, Rat that Girl! 1971 GUILTY!!!!

Herman Cherusken
06-01-10, 07:08 PM
SWEET! WE are starting from the beginning... and how about a betting pool?

If we are gonna start fresh, I wanna see charts, suspect lineage, real PI stuff here guys! And, of course, the betting pool squares! Or we need an odds maker...someone out here has gotta be qualified enough with numbers or at least knows a bookie to put that all together...

I've got 2 dollars to WIN on the fat ass beat to death horse and hippie carriage: Eric and Monika Show! Spill the Beans, Rat that Girl! 1971 GUILTY!!!!

LMAO, well put. But I'm hesitant to put up Burdon as a suspect, while the guy clearly know more of what happened....

ilovejimi
06-01-10, 07:17 PM
The cunt killed him...

:D

Lets start this from the beginning, what do we know, and not...?

haw haw dont do that- Marcos will have a heart attack :p

Herman Cherusken
06-01-10, 07:32 PM
haw haw dont do that- Marcos will have a heart attack :p

Should maybe mute him or hide the thread so he can't see it, so we can dissect the topic in a calm and collect fashion without him going bonkers. Just because his highness doesn't approve or like the subject matter, it's no reason for us to not have the chance to do so....

univibs
06-02-10, 03:13 PM
Eric Burdon

Fenders Fingers
06-02-10, 03:45 PM
Your all talking like Jimi was murdered!
Maybe not so. Maybe it was an accident BUT all those previously mentioned are implicted by there actions or in some cases lack of action.
In the Burdon / Dannerman cases what had they to loose here. How would they be implicted if Jimi was to die "by accident" ?
If your looking at this then FACTS and only FACTS can be presented here.

pederpropell
06-02-10, 06:39 PM
Jimi was in the wrong place (no care when needed), with the wrong girl (no understanding of Jimis critical need of ABC) - and after facing the result of his own Cry of love... no less!


bp

ilovejimi
06-02-10, 06:48 PM
Fact: Hendrix, had taken nine of Monika's prescribed Vesperax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secobarbital) sleeping pills. The normal medical dose was half a tablet. Is my math correct - isnt that seventeen and 1/2 additional timesmore than the normal amount? thats serious shit. Did he usually take a lot of other sleeping pills on other occassions-- if he did maybe he really didnt know the strength of the pills-which would mean it was a simple accident. BUT if it were that simple why didnt Monica just call an amubulance? Maybe cos she tried reviving him and ultimatly accidently killed him by forcing wine down his throat.

What if Jimi didnt take the pills by choice and that maybe they were added to a drink (glass of wine) and Jimi unknowingly drank it. Maybe Monica gave him the coctail in order to keep him from breaking up or leaving her- he may have thought it was just a glass of wine.

Maybe he passed out right away and Monika freeked and tried reviving him with more wine by forcing it down his throat and spilling it everywhre- maybe she further panicked and left the body lying on the floor scared out off her mind. Maybe she spent hours with the dead body tring to get her lies straight not to mention staging the scean- i think someone helped her move the body into the bed-. Fact: She never got into that Ambulance as she said. Fact she lied and at the very least constantly changed her versions. Fact: she commited sucide after the libel trial in 1996 brought about by Kathy.

Unfort there will never be enough facts to come to a real conclusion and "maybe's are like opinion which are like assholes".

Do we know how much of the Vesperax actually got into his system-- after all he did throw up a lot-- perhaps most of the pills were thrown up. Withall that wine in his system drowning him- the wine alone could make somebody pass out into a sleep state. Jimi couldnt have drank all that wine while being asleep.

Fact: Not a suicide

ilovejimi
06-02-10, 06:52 PM
Eric Burdon initially claimed that Hendrix's death was a suicide, but the facts also contradict this notion. Despite Hendrix's increasingly erratic behavior and the dark circumstances present in his life, close friends claim that he was relatively happy at the time. Hendrix was found with nine Vesperax sleeping pills in his system which are said to contribute to his death. He was a chronic insomniac who was resistant to the effects of barbiturates and would not have felt such disastrous effects from nine pills. He was also found with a pack of 42 Vesperax in his pocket which would rule out suicide. If Hendrix was intent on self-termination, it is assumed that he would have taken all of the Vesperax.

He was also found with a pack of 42 Vesperax in his pocket which would rule out suicide (FIRST ive read of this claim) http://www.woodstockstory.com/jimi-hendrix-murdered-conspiracy.html

ilovejimi
06-02-10, 06:53 PM
The low blood alcohol content in comparison with the amount of wine found in Hendrix's body meant that the ingestion of the wine was so quick that it didn't even have time to enter his blood stream. This inconsistency suggests that excessive drinking was not the cause of death. The physical evidence suggests that the excessive amounts of wine in his stomach as well as lungs are more consistent with being water boarded.

ilovejimi
06-02-10, 07:04 PM
Is it possible someone with a high tolerace could have handled taking 9 vesberex-- how do we know they were taken all at once-- I thought i read somwhere that few pill hadnt completely disolved in the stomach. How do we know he hadnt taken them in the past-- articles make it sound like he didnt really know how much he was taking - how would they know.

lsdmofro
06-02-10, 10:35 PM
Fact: Hendrix, had taken nine of Monika's prescribed Vesperax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secobarbital) sleeping pills. The normal medical dose was half a tablet. Is my math correct - isnt that seventeen and 1/2 additional timesmore than the normal amount? thats serious shit. Did he usually take a lot of other sleeping pills on other occassions-- if he did maybe he really didnt know the strength of the pills-which would mean it was a simple accident. BUT if it were that simple why didnt Monica just call an amubulance? Maybe cos she tried reviving him and ultimatly accidently killed him by forcing wine down his throat.

What if Jimi didnt take the pills by choice and that maybe they were added to a drink (glass of wine) and Jimi unknowingly drank it. Maybe Monica gave him the coctail in order to keep him from breaking up or leaving her- he may have thought it was just a glass of wine.

Maybe he passed out right away and Monika freeked and tried reviving him with more wine by forcing it down his throat and spilling it everywhre- maybe she further panicked and left the body lying on the floor scared out off her mind. Maybe she spent hours with the dead body tring to get her lies straight not to mention staging the scean- i think someone helped her move the body into the bed-. Fact: She never got into that Ambulance as she said. Fact she lied and at the very least constantly changed her versions. Fact: she commited sucide after the libel trial in 1996 brought about by Kathy.

Unfort there will never be enough facts to come to a real conclusion and "maybe's are like opinion which are like assholes".

Do we know how much of the Vesperax actually got into his system-- after all he did throw up a lot-- perhaps most of the pills were thrown up. Withall that wine in his system drowning him- the wine alone could make somebody pass out into a sleep state. Jimi couldnt have drank all that wine while being asleep.

Fact: Not a suicide

I think you have it EXACTLY right here! And these two scenarios hit the button. I think you're first scenario is more plausible as well as based upon facts that lead towards countless truths in human behavior (i.e, McNabb) And there appears to be some hints that this Miss Dannemann may have had borderline personality disorder (lying is a pretty decent tell-tale sign of borderline personality disorder which she was convicted of (^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monika_Dannemann#cite_ref-0) Braid, Mary (May 1, 1996). "A rock legend unto herself" (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/a-rock-legend-unto-herself-1345098.html). The Independent. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/a-rock-legend-unto-herself-1345098.html). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder (and she did kill herself!)
As a side chuckle--also note that Uli Jon Roth's career pretty much turned to shit when he started dating her and he was, at the time, my opinion, really one of the most promising Hendrix disciples. I think he certainly had a jump on Trower. Some of that Scorpions stuff that he wrote is pretty powerful, rocking, and amazing and trippy...



2nd point you made...Hypnotic drugs are extremely powerful psychotropic medications. Jeez John Lee! How many people have dosed up on your current hypnotic, Ambien, for a good night's rest, then got up and scrambled eggs at 3am; shells and all,then take a spin around the block in their Ford Ranger--plowing into the mailboxes from here to Nantucket, do Drive Thru Taco Bell, and then slip back into the garage, take off their bedroom slippers, and slip comfortably into that cozy Temperpedic feeling great and well rested! (Herman, this excludes you...we know how that Swedish Peach Schnapps effects you!)...

But for Jimi...this is highly NOT possible...Who carries sleeping pills in their pockets and are completely clothed...NO ONE! It's a plant! so, I go with the first scenerio and man o man...any EXPERIENCED person that takes drugs certainly know that 9 sleeping pills can seriously f&^$ you up! Uh, yeah, I'm gonna take 9...cause I mean, 7...or 8, that just doesn't do it any more! And I would call Jimi A Man of Experience! Come on EXPERIENCED, speak up and out!

Herman...I might point out that your post, "the C killed him" is exactly correct, ilovejimi just provides the copia! Well done, you are both now officially deemed and dubbed THE OFFICIAL PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS FOR CROSSTOWN TRAFFIC TORRENTS NOT FOR PROFIT...If I have that kind of authority and power here to grant you both this honor! Let the field work begin?! Moderator?

MourningStar
06-02-10, 11:13 PM
what happened to herman's freak brothers cartoon post?

MourningStar
06-02-10, 11:52 PM
I believe the thread was deleted for being too off topic for these forums, perhaps ILJ can tell...whoever deleted your topic should have extended you the courtesy of letting you know the reason. I'm going to guess it was because it was not Jimi-related (as the Forum sub-title declares).

dino77
06-03-10, 03:21 AM
The low blood alcohol content in comparison with the amount of wine found in Hendrix's body meant that the ingestion of the wine was so quick that it didn't even have time to enter his blood stream. This inconsistency suggests that excessive drinking was not the cause of death. The physical evidence suggests that the excessive amounts of wine in his stomach as well as lungs are more consistent with being water boarded.

Compare with New York Dolls' original drummer Billy Murcia (Wiki):

"While on a brief tour of England in 1972 <sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Murcia#cite_note-2)</sup>, Murcia was invited to a party, where he passed out from an accidental overdose. He was put in a bathtub and force-fed coffee, in an attempt to revive him, which resulted in asphyxiation and death"

Coffee seems like a better idea than wine, but still a pretty bad idea...

Fenders Fingers
06-03-10, 03:22 AM
What no Freak Brothers on CTT, YEAH LIGHEN UP BROTHERS. After reading thru' this thread I need a little lite entertainment.
You can get away with the Jimi FB's strip at least.
Back to topic, No suicide does not point to murder.
Interseting points being raised so I'll say I disagree with all the comments as\I see it it was accidental. That makes it as was called or manslaughter.
Opinion on please.

Fenders Fingers
06-03-10, 07:29 AM
Could we have a cartoon thread ? Jimi and none Jimi as long as it's in the right "spirit". Counter culture, music, sex :-) drugs :-) and rock 'n' roll :-) type thing.

manfree
06-03-10, 08:04 AM
I`ve always thought there was room for a slightly wider remit than just Jimi on CTT. I`m not saying it should suddenly have Pink Floyd or, heaven forbid, led zepplin, but music inspired by Jimi. Trower,Marino, or examples of exceptional WahWah Solos, In other words, turning us on to music that any "Jimi" fan ought to listen to. Not "These are my favorite bands" type of thing (This is the best Jimi forum, after all) there should be some kind of Jimi influence. Or am I typing a lot of crap?

hawkfan369
06-03-10, 08:27 AM
Could we have a cartoon thread ? Jimi and none Jimi as long as it's in the right "spirit". Counter culture, music, sex :-) drugs :-) and rock 'n' roll :-) type thing.

absolutely..

lsdmofro
06-05-10, 12:11 AM
Herman, post dedicated to you, but I know you can't look...so CLOSE YOUR EYES, my brother!!!! Everybody else!!! Gander at these "MAN" hands! These are the hands of a murderer! Hands of a handyman-woman murderer! ...Hands of someone with a borderline personality disorder...upset all they're life that they couldn't keep a man without playing new age witch! These are the calloused, working witches brew hands--been in the pot many times, fellas!! Our grandmothers always told us this: you can always tell someone by their hands...they tell a story; these are worried man-like hands confused by their own identity! These hands never were held at the high school dance because they were freaky! Never mind these hands had a great blowing-your-load on-the-eye-lid-face! They might have even been jealous over Jimi's hands--being long, slender, agile, just as strong, but more elegant?! These are fumbling worrywart hands...worried that you might look at them and see and discover these lobster claws guilty as charged! Bottom feeder hands! Hands that could easily Jack the Ripper squeeze your scrotum; lock, stock, and barrel tight, with crushing force, while in the midst of a deep, dark slumber-- envious because you dozed off--slipped off to sleep hours before them...And they're the hands of insomnia! They are resentful hands! They're restless, worried about what they will or won't be able to grasp tomorrow...or that gloves will actually fit them, for they need to hide their fucking hideousness, and they know it...an eyesore, the Hunchback of Notre Dame Hands...persecuted, every finger, they need to hide, run from their only ugly truth! Rings can't fit these hands, they discolor their bulbous larvae’s fingers...and jewlery bursts off them when they're in a finger food feeding frenzy! Swelling with blood...fearfully insecure, ready to wrap around your neck when you attempt to break from their grip. These hands, ladies and gentleman, are than hands of a murderer!!!ffice:office" /><O:p></O:p>
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ilovejimi
06-05-10, 11:08 AM
^ the hands of Monica-ca

stplsd
06-05-10, 07:44 PM
The low blood alcohol content in comparison with the amount of wine found in Hendrix's body meant that ....

...he spewed and choked before it was absorbed. His blood/alcohol count was not insignificant, it was high enough do be prosecuted for drunk driving. Anyone know how/even considered long it takes for blood/alcohol content to deplete in a dead male's body of his age and body mass index?

It wasn't thought to be unusual by anyone until many years later, after most pertinant facts & stories about Jimi were pretty well done to death, that a hightened degree of sensationalism was seen as being neccessary for some people (eg Bannister who had been sacked from his profession as a Dr. for fraud) to sell their "memories" to some subsequent poorly written books & articles that had nothing much else to add, this would appear to be the case of the "kidnap" well.


This inconsistency suggests that excessive drinking was not the cause of death. .

There was no sugestion by the coroner that alcohol, although contributary, was the main cause of death, it was the volume of liquid inhaled, it could just as well have been water.


The physical evidence suggests that the excessive amounts of wine in his stomach as well as lungs are more consistent with being water boarded

Any amount of wine in your lungs is "excessive". Amount of wine in your stomach being seen as excessive is very much up to the individual, a "fundamentalist" moslem would think that any was "excessive".

Actual quantity found in his stomach is?

stplsd
06-05-10, 07:50 PM
Fact: "Open verdict" (ie open on whether he died accidentally or by suicide)

None of the well trained, experienced experts involved at the time, or his friends and roadies who went to the scene saw any reason or forensic evidence to suspect foul play.

stplsd
06-05-10, 07:54 PM
These are the hands of a murderer! Hands of a handyman-woman murderer! ...Hands of someone with a borderline personality disorder... [etc]

This is you making a "wise crack" again, right?

stplsd
06-05-10, 08:04 PM
Compare with New York Dolls' original drummer Billy Murcia (Wiki):

"While on a brief tour of England in 1972 <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-2>[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Murcia#cite_note-2)</SUP>, Murcia was invited to a party, where he passed out from an accidental overdose. He was put in a bathtub and force-fed coffee, in an attempt to revive him, which resulted in asphyxiation and death"



If this is true the culprits should have been tracked down and jailed

Sharpstat
06-05-10, 08:23 PM
...he spewed and choked before he digested it. His blood/alcohol count was not insignificant, it was high enough do be prosecuted for drunk driving. Anyone know how/even considered long it takes for blood/alcohol content to deplete in a dead male's body of his age and body mass index?

It wasn't thought to be significant by anyone until many years later, after most pertinant facts & stories about Jimi were pretty well done to death, that a hightened degree of sensationalism was seen as being neccessary for some people to sell their "memories" to some subsequent poorly written books & articles that had nothing much else to add, this would appear to be the case of the "kidnap" well.



If he "spewed and choked before he digested it" that would be indicative of an intact gag reflex? Just curious as to what his BA content was? Did they run DUI checkpoints in England in 1970?:D It would have taken an estimated 10-15 to be absorbed thru the small intestine although the temperature of the wine also would have a faster effect on absorbtion. Colder liquids absorb faster. I am so glad that the medics statements were taken for the record to disprove Monica's lies. I have read it over and over and come to the same conclusion that we never got the complete story. Just for the record I've responded on several calls where the person has aspirated vomitus and "choked to death". It doesn't take a lot for it to happen.Your trachea (windpipe) is about the diameter of your little finger. Been on many suicides and they are sometimes very elaborate and thought out, sometimes they aren't. I took a photgraph in front of 22 Landsdown cresent( I think they changed the name since 2004) and it's so strange to be in that spot looking at the flat were he died. Jimi's long gone but his music remains.

stplsd
06-05-10, 08:49 PM
Thanks interesting.


If he "spewed and choked before he digested it" that would be indicative of an intact gag reflex?

No it's indicative that he spewed and choked to death because his gag & cough reflex wasn't working due to the effects of the large dose of barbs, compounded by enough digested alcohol to be prosecuted for drunk driving.

Off the top of my head:
Alcohol in it's early stages in small amounts acts as a stimulant, therefore barbs would be digested quicker, later it becomes a downer.
Some people can build up quite a high tolerance to barbs. Barbs and other downers with alcohol have always been quite popular.
Carmen Borrero says she had to resucitate Jimi on one or more occasions due to him taking too many downers.
It's quite a common accidental death, as it is with just alcohol on it's own, downers on their own.

Monika takes wine then a barb/barbs before crashing , Jimi takes a few barbs with a little wine? (Monika crashes), too short while later he does it again, but takes too many? barbs start working, he takes some more, Jimi is stoned and drinks quite a lot of wine, conks out, (spills rest of wine on bed over his head - or not) and spews... Monika surfaces several hours later the, worse for wear, finds Jimi dead ...



Just curious as to what his BA content was? I have read it over and over and come to the same conclusion that we never got the complete story.

You have read what? "over & over"
If you have read the most investigated, fact based (although badly put together/concluded) account so far by Tony Brown you would know what the blood/alcohol was, although what it means prescisely in the quoted examples is insufficiently discussed as the measurements used are not explained, this can vary beween UK, Europe & US calibration, laws etc.

Sharpstat
06-05-10, 10:25 PM
Thanks interesting.



No it's indicative that he spewed and choked to death because his gag reflex wasn't working due to the effects of the large dose of barbs, compounded by enough digested alcohol to be prosecuted for drunk driving.

Off the top of my head:
Alcohol in it's early stages in small amounts acts as a stimulant, therefore barbs would be digested quicker, later it becomes a downer.
Some people can build up quite a high tolerance to barbs. Barbs and other downers with alcohol have always been quite popular.
Carmen Borrero says she had to resucitate Jimi on one or more occasions due to him taking too many downers.
It's quite a common accidental death, as it is with just alcohol on it's own, downers on their own.

Monika takes wine then a barb/barbs before crashing , Jimi takes a few barbs with a little wine? (Monika crashes), too short while later he does it again, but takes too many? barbs start working, he takes some more, Jimi is stoned and drinks quite a lot of wine, conks out, (spills rest of wine on bed over his head - or not) and spews... Monika surfaces several hours later the, worse for wear, finds Jimi dead ...




You have read what? "over & over"
If you have read the most investigated, fact based (although badly put together/concluded) account so far by Tony Brown you would know what the blood/alcohol was, although what it means prescisely in the quoted examples is insufficiently discussed as the measurements used are not explained, this can vary beween UK, Europe & US calibration, laws etc.


I was referring to the various articles written post death. I've read Tony Brown's synopsis. The point I do remember reading was the amount of wine in his bloodstream didn't match the amount all over him at the time of the incident. I've seen quite a few people in the same scenario our beloved guitar hero was in that evening. I have been Firefighter/Paramedic for 28 years. The sad thing is if the authorities had been called earlier this would have been prevented. OD's are relatively easy to manage. You intubate them to keep an airway open after suctioning out all of the crap they've inhaled.Squeeze the bag and they are breathing with your assisitance. Depending on the time down they either recover or are in a vegative state due to brain damage caused by the apnea. I think I understand what you're saying is that Jimi had no gag reflex so the wine went down easily? In order to spew up any product you have to have a gag reflex! Otherwise you could ingest anything and not "gag"! I once knew this girl....? Carmen Borrero knows the difference between slow shallow respirations and apnea? The drugs in question can and will cause respiratory depression, and eventually apnea. Of course i'm typing this at work!;)

Herman Cherusken
06-05-10, 10:47 PM
I was referring to the various articles written post death. I've read Tony Brown's synopsis. The point I do remember reading was the amount of wine in his bloodstream didn't match the amount all over him at the time of the incident. I've seen quite a few people in the same scenario our beloved guitar hero was in that evening. I have been Firefighter/Paramedic for 28 years. The sad thing is if the authorities had been called earlier this would have been prevented. OD's are relatively easy to manage. You intubate them to keep an airway open after suctioning out all of the crap they've inhaled.Squeeze the bag and they are breathing with your assisitance. Depending on the time down they either recover or are in a vegative state due to brain damage caused by the apnea. I think I understand what you're saying is that Jimi had no gag reflex so the wine went down easily? In order to spew up any product you have to have a gag reflex! Otherwise you could ingest anything and not "gag"! I once knew this girl....? Carmen Borrero knows the difference between slow shallow respirations and apnea? The drugs in question can and will cause respiratory depression, and eventually apnea. Of course i'm typing this at work!;)

That's right, there was a 5-6 hours lapse between the time it has been established that Jimi actually died (based on the autopsy report and other medical observations) and the time the emergency call came in at 11:18 AM, with the swift emergence of the ambulance team to the scene at 11:27 AM.

The skater from hell could have saved him, but by the lack of initiative and proper actions the worthless cunt had him killed...

Sharpstat
06-05-10, 11:35 PM
And just for the record to determine TOD time of death, a rather large thermometer is inserted into the liver to determine how long they have been down.

dino77
06-05-10, 11:56 PM
The skater was probably sleeping on a few tablets herself, woke up and found a dead Jimi. That's what she tried to cover up. Not too exciting.

Herman Cherusken
06-06-10, 12:18 AM
The skater was probably sleeping on a few tablets herself, woke up and found a dead Jimi. That's what she tried to cover up. Not too exciting.

Lies, lies, lies, all lies by her, lol. She said she took one whole tablet of Vesparax, one half more than she was prescribed, and if she did she would not have woken up before 7 AM, if not a lot later. But she called Eric Burdon a first time in the early hours, between 1-3 AM and said Jimi was in a bad shape, so the question is if she slept at all...

David Henderson:

"[i]n 1986, Burdon published his memoir, I Used to Be an Animal but I'm All Right Now, and made some pretty serious admissions. He stated that he had answered Monika's telephone call as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window." He called her back to make sure she had called the ambulance. "She said, 'I can't have people around here now, there's all kinds of stuff [drugs] in the house.'" He states that he caught a minicab to the hotel shortly afterward. This is an admission that he had met Dannemann at the Samarkand rather than at the hospital. Dannemann maintained that Burdon's recollection was unreliable because he was still under the influence of drugs. But from his account and other interviews with him, this event sobered him up and woke him up completely. He quickly became aware of how bad it could be."

[...]

"Five years later, in 1991, in a conversation with Kathy Etchingham, he seemed to have thrown all previous caution to the wind. Burdon stated, 'It was early morning when I got the call, in fact, I thought it was earlier than early morning. I thought it was like in the early hours.' He reiterated that he yelled and screamed for Dannemann to get an ambulance and those screams happened 'on more than one occasion.' He thought she was stalling because of being frozen with fear of being implicated and even prosecuted for drugs (the police report noted how 'smartly clean' the premises were). Burdon, thinking that she would not call for help until the place was clean, went over there to take care of that business. 'When I arrived there [at the Samarkand], I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me'."

She screwd up big time that morning, procrastinating the call for an ambulance until it was way too late...

dino77
06-06-10, 02:37 AM
Aha, thanks for the info. Though if Burdon was on drugs, 7 AM may have felt like "earlier than early morning" to him.

This seems pretty believable though.

He thought she was stalling because of being frozen with fear of being implicated and even prosecuted for drugs (the police report noted how 'smartly clean' the premises were). Burdon, thinking that she would not call for help until the place was clean, went over there to take care of that business.

Weird that she called Eric of all people. Perhaps he was the only friend of Jimi's she had met, at Ronnie Scotts?

manfree
06-06-10, 04:00 AM
P`raps he`d screwed her?

stplsd
06-06-10, 04:45 AM
In order to spew up any product you have to have a gag reflex!

Duh! We're talking the action of the gag reflex which would result in coughing as in:

The pharyngeal reflex or gag reflex is a reflex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex) contraction of the back of the throat,<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-urlMedical_Neurosciences_0-0>[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharyngeal_reflex#cite_note-urlMedical_Neurosciences-0)</SUP> evoked by touching the soft palate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_palate).<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-1>[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharyngeal_reflex#cite_note-1)</SUP> It prevents something from entering the throat except as part of normal swallowing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swallowing) and helps prevent choking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choking). Different people have different sensitivities to the gag reflex.

Vomiting can be dangerous if the gastric content gets into the respiratory tract. Under normal circumstances the gag reflex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_reflex) and coughing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coughing) will prevent this from occurring, however these protective reflexes are compromised in persons under the influences of certain substances such as alcohol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol) or anesthesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anesthesia). The individual may choke and asphyxiate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphyxiation) or suffer an aspiration pneumonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspiration_pneumonia).

Normally, when someone spews if they are lying/sitting in a position where the spew will go back down their throat again, the gag reflex and subsequent coughing stops it from being inhaled, if it's impaired inhalation of the liquid/food will cause suffocation. Maybe Jimi also had an insensitive gag reflex, making it even easier for him to choke.


Otherwise you could ingest anything and not "gag"!
You're not making sense here. See above



Carmen Borrero knows the difference between slow shallow respirations and apnea?

Why would she have to?
She said he was choking on vomit, ie struggling to breathe, not just temporarily, quietly 'not breathing' ie apnea.
'resuscitate' I used loosley as a short way of saying "stop him from choking"

The drugs in question can and will cause respiratory depression, and eventually apnea.

That's not in question. Spewing up your stomach contents and then choking on them is what we are talking about and was seen as the prime cause of death by the coroner, a man who was experienced in this particular cause of death . Note: not inhalation of wine only, inhalation of vomit which appears to have been mostly, but not entirely wine.

stplsd
06-06-10, 05:42 AM
The point I do remember reading was the amount of wine in his bloodstream didn't match the amount all over him at the time of the incident.

Well, it wouldn't would it, the wine "all over him" was wine that hadn't been digested. Some of it may never have been swallowed, not unknown for people who conk out to spill wine over themselves.
APNEA usually means "temporary sessation of breathing" as in a particular sleep disorder, not suffocation by an obstruction, which is not temporary, unless relieved promptly.


The sad thing is if the authorities had been called earlier this would have been prevented.

There wasn't anyone to call them. Dannemann was unconcious. By expert judgement he was dead for hours before they were called, and most probably well before a more than likely groggy (wine and barbs) Dannemann eventually surfaced. Her story about going out for cigarrettes etc etc has been well demolished. She & Burdon quickly concocted all sorts of nonesense (she holed up with Burdon immediately after) which they obviously felt at the time would put paint her in the best light, and put them (ie mainly Burdon) in a good position to exploit their connection with Jimi, you just have to read their statements, especially Burdon's


OD's are relatively easy to manage.

Sometimes, depends what they've taken and how long ago, and if they are discovered while their heart's still beating. Not if they've been dead for several hours. And not if they're heart's stopped beating for more than a few minutes, when the brain will rapidly start to become irreparably damaged.

stplsd
06-06-10, 06:29 AM
Weird that she called Eric of all people. Perhaps he was the only friend of Jimi's she had met, at Ronnie Scotts?

What's weird about it? (apart from it wasn't a hospital) She was "friends with" Burdon's girlfriend Alvinia Bridges, that's who she says she phoned, Burdon just happened to be there. She phoned Judy Wong first to get Bridges phone number.

purple jim
06-06-10, 06:54 AM
Lies, lies, lies, all lies by her, lol. She said she took one whole tablet of Vesparax, one half more than she was prescribed, and if she did she would not have woken up before 7 AM, if not a lot later.

She also told Kathy (at their first meeting at Kathy's house in the early 80s) that she had given the tablets to Jimi and then more when they didn't seem to work!

karsten
06-06-10, 06:54 AM
I think it's weird that by the 16th Gerry Stickells were making calls trying to locate Jimi as he didn't have a clue were he was after he left Cumberland Hotel.

Apparently not a lot of people (who he was supposed to stay in conctact with) knew where Jimi was the last couple days..

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:29 AM
The skater from hell could have saved him, but by the lack of initiative and proper actions

No she was most likely asleep herself well after Jimi died. According to her testimony she crashed before he did, she'd been drinking wine and had taken barbs too. Her lack of haste in calling an ambulance after she awoke and saw Jimi's state is of course disgraceful.

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:41 AM
I think it's weird that by the 16th Gerry Stickells were making calls trying to locate Jimi as he didn't have a clue were he was after he left Cumberland Hotel.

I don't know what you mean by this?
Jimi died in the early hours of the 18th, Gerry didn't know where Monika stayed, why should he. Jimi only went back to her's after Ronnie's it's not as if he was living with her, he had been to Ronnie's on the 16th and he visited the Cumberland on the 17th.


Apparently not a lot of people (who he was supposed to stay in conctact with) knew where Jimi was the last couple days..

Who were these people he was "supposed to stay in contact with" (up to him really who, & when he contacted anyone. He wasn't out on license or on probation, didn't have any gig the next day) I don't recall any of his associates making out it was a big deal that he sometimes spent time with "friends" without reporting in.

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:46 AM
She also told Kathy (at their first meeting at Kathy's house in the early 80s) that she had given the tablets to Jimi and then more when they didn't seem to work!

According to Kathy who hated her guts;-)

stplsd
06-06-10, 08:05 AM
But she called Eric Burdon a first time in the early hours, between 1-3 AM

No he didn't state any time, he just said as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window." he also mentions there was early morning condensation on a car window in another piece/interview or something. Whether he was being totally accurate or was just being "poetic" is debateable, he finds it very difficult to not turn everything into a picture of whatever takes his fancy at the time, and it was just a small part of an autobiography, he wasn't being questioned. Jimi wouldn't even have got back from the party at 1 o'clock


She screwed up big time that morning, procrastinating the call for an ambulance until it was way too late...

It looks as though was dead before she woke up, she had taken barbs and been drinking wine before crashing. Though that's not an excuse for not immediately calling an ambulance, when she should have. Of course you can always "believe" that she killed him deliberately or by stupidity, but there's no actual evidence pointing to that.

karsten
06-06-10, 08:49 AM
Sunrise in London on September 18 is ca 6:38 am..

stplsd
06-06-10, 08:50 AM
Sunrise in London on September 18 is ca 6:38 am..

Thanks very much for this.

karsten
06-06-10, 09:03 AM
I don't know what you mean by this?
Jimi died in the early hours of the 18th, Gerry didn't know where Monika stayed, why should he. Jimi only went back to her's after Ronnie's it's not as if he was living with her, he had been to Ronnie's on the 16th and he visited the Cumberland on the 17th.



I believe people were trying unsuccesfully to get in touch with him from around the 14th (yes, highly undocumented I know).
What I mean is there must have been a change in his activities/doings.





Who were these people he was "supposed to stay in contact with" (up to him really who, & when he contacted anyone. He wasn't out on license or on probation, didn't have any gig the next day) I don't recall any of his associates making out it was a big deal that he sometimes spent time with "friends" without reporting in.

I believe he was in London on business. Surely with the rest of the tour cancelled there was time to hang around, but apart from that it there must have been decisions to be made concerning returning to the states, the format of the group etc..

To bad we don't have documentation on what was communicated between the management/tour personal and Jimi.

stplsd
06-06-10, 09:14 AM
I believe people were trying unsuccesfully to get in touch with him from around the 14th (yes, highly undocumented I know).
What I mean is there must have been a change in his activities/doings.

Right, understand. London is a big place, and if Jimi was wanting to avoid certain people it wouldn't be too difficult most of the time, maybe they weren't trying too hard?



I believe he was in London on business. Surely with the rest of the tour cancelled there was time to hang around, but apart from that it there must have been decisions to be made concerning returning to the states, the format of the group etc..

Yeah, but not attending to business for a couple of days is surely no biggie, really.

The press of course finding that someone or other hadn't been able to get hold of him made up a load of sensationalist twaddle at the time "WHAT JIMI DID IN HIS MISSING TWO DAYS!" (or whatever). He wasn't even "missing".

I see Fairchild is now using some of the same arguments about Jeffery, the wine being spilt over by Jimi himself etc. as I put up on CTT quite a while ago;-) heh-heh

Check out his "The last 24 minutes" spoof conspiracy - hilarious.

Would be nice to know some details about this:

Jimi filmed with someone else (ie not Monika), Cologne 13 Jan 1969 (according to Kathy)

dino77
06-06-10, 09:52 AM
What's weird about it? (apart from it wasn't a hospital) She was "friends with" Burdon's girlfriend Alvinia Bridges, that's who she says she phoned, Burdon just happened to be there. She phoned Judy Wong first to get Bridges phone number.


Didn't know she was "friends" with Bridges (her name is spelled "Alvenia").

ilovejimi
06-06-10, 10:22 AM
my conclusion: Monica-ca is to blame (either indirectly and/or directly)-- she at minimum should have called the ambulance FIRST. She was so concerned with protecting her own ass (ie cleaning up the apartment) that she let our hero slip into the next world.

ilovejimi
06-06-10, 10:26 AM
If Monica was sleeping with Jimi at the time and woke up-- wouldnt she be covered in all this wine and vomit as well? Did she take the time to shower and change cloths and then walk to the store to get fags, in an attempt to set up an alibi.

The time of death-- I presume that is London time?

ilovejimi
06-06-10, 10:29 AM
I wish we could know the whole truth once and for all-- WHY? because as it stands, I think the lack of conclusive truth tarnishes Jimi's legacy in an unfair manner (he wasnt a junkie and IMHO his death was not a suicide).

stplsd
06-06-10, 10:49 AM
If Monica was sleeping with Jimi at the time and woke up-- wouldnt she be covered in all this wine and vomit as well?

Interesting point I've not seen before, maybe it was a big bed and he was on one side?


Did she take the time to shower and change cloths and then walk to the store to get fags, in an attempt to set up an alibi.

How would this be an alibi?
Why would she need an alibi?

stplsd
06-06-10, 10:55 AM
Didn't know she was "friends" with Bridges (her name is spelled "Alvenia").

So "they" say. Spelling is either, depends which one you chose, unless you got some....

dino77
06-06-10, 11:20 AM
So "they" say. Spelling is either, depends which one you chose, unless you got some....

No really, Alvenia is the correct spelling. :D

Herman Cherusken
06-06-10, 11:21 AM
No he didn't state any time, he just said as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window."

I was a bit quick there on the time frame as far as the early morning goes, but from the top of my head from the reading I have done in the past, I have the assumption it was well before the time it has been established Jimi died, i.e. around 5.00-5.30 AM.


If Monica was sleeping with Jimi at the time and woke up-- wouldnt she be covered in all this wine and vomit as well? Did she take the time to shower...

Good point, pictures from the appartment shows a fairly small bed, and coupled with the ambulance men's description of the horrendous scene, with puke all over the place, she must have gotten some of it on her if she had slept and woken up when Jimi was already dead. If not, she was dotting around more concerned about herself than getting Jimi some real help and making stupid phose calls to people not in a position doing any good. Call the ambulance, bitch...

The amount of wine is still a main question. Regardless of the ambulance men's hard work clearing his airways etc, his lungs and stomach was still oozing wine while in the emergency ward. This is what gives the impression that his system was flooded, beside the wine he had consumed on his own...

And if it was an accidental death and M woke up with Jimi already being dead, why the need to concoct several lie-versions about the time frame scenario and about what had transpired, about Jimi still being alive and blaming the ambulance people for putting Jimi in a faulty position in the ambulance causing his death? If they wanted to clean out the drugs, fine, that doesn't take 5-6 hours...

There are too many discrepencies and obvious lies to rule out foul play. And the cunt plays a central role in it. And remember, Lawrence confronted M about the wine and she broke down admitting that she had giving him wine while choking...

purple jim
06-06-10, 12:53 PM
The amount of wine is still a main question. Regardless of the ambulance men's hard work clearing his airways etc, his lungs and stomach was still oozing wine while in the emergency ward. This is what gives the impression that his system was flooded, beside the wine he had consumed on his own...

Exactly. This is one of the most puzzling aspects of the case. The wine in his hair and clothes could be explained by a bottle tipping over him as he slept but all that wine in his stomach and lungs is difficult to understand without foul play (by Danneman, not hit-men or hired thugs).

ilovejimi
06-06-10, 01:02 PM
I
pictures from the appartment shows a fairly small bed,

And remember, Lawrence confronted M about the wine and she broke down admitting that she had giving him wine while choking...

Herman-- Ive not seen any photos from the apartment (do we have any on CTT?

I belive S Lawrence and agree that Monica-ca was forcing the wine down his throat which I belive ultimatly drowned Jimi (real cause of death IMHO). This explains wine in his lungs. Once she caused his death-- she now had to figure out how to cover her ass (alibi) due to her guilt.

Even still- why not say- I noticed Jimi took to many Vesperex and I (Monica-ca) tried to revive him accidently killing him-- At least that would make plausable sence and it would be ruled an accidental death (not withstanding manslaughter). Pehaps her guilt started before trying to revive him with wine- one can only speculate, did she give him these pill in a glass of wine with some premeditated sheme in mind and when it went south she paniced trying to revive him only to wind up killing Jimi.

I belive IMHO that in 1996 Monica-ca basically took her own life as she could no longer take the mental guilt and the never ending pressure for her to come clean about the death of Jimi Hendrix.

Eric Burdon whom I belive did not have anything to do with the death- knows an awful lot more than he is letting on. If that is so, i wonder why he would choose to back Monica-ca and not back his so-called friend (Jimi) and tell what he knows (hiding the drugs, not comming forth to say that Monica lied about her claims of riding in the ambulance and trying to put the blame on the Ambulance men for killing Jimi (setting him in a chair with his head back as he tried to vomit). Did Eric help carry Jimi's body onto the bed and maybe help dress him (scarf tied way to tight). Where did Eric and Monica really go since they didnt go to the hospital

What would Eric have to loose by just comming forth?

Herman Cherusken
06-06-10, 01:36 PM
Scuse Me While I Kiss the Sky: Jimi Hendrix: Voodoo Child

Prologue

At 12:45 P.M. on Friday, September 18, 1970, Jimi Hendrix was pronounced dead at St. Mary's Abbot Hospital in the Kensington/Chelsea section of London. Immediately the London offices of the major wire services reported that Hendrix had died of a drug overdose.

Monika Dannemann, the woman in whose hotel suite he was found, spoke to reporters, associates, and friends about Hendrix's whereabouts and states of mind that Thursday night and Friday morning.

Eric Burdon, lead singer of War (and formerly of the defunct group the Animals), had discovered a poem she said Hendrix had written shortly before his death. It was in Dannemann's sketchbook. "The Story of Jesus," titled after its first line, is also known as "The Story of Life," a title Dannemann may have chosen. It was a poem conceived as a possible song lyric.

The poem could be interpreted as the last words of a man about to die. But suicide was unlikely for a wealthy man who was in the prime of life and held in open adoration by so many. Those knowing Jimi's writing were familiar with his constant referral to hearing his train coming, or in other words, having or expecting to have some premonition about his death. Perhaps it was a farewell message written under duress. Comparisons of samples of his handwriting reveal a haste not often found in his even most casual notes or song lyrics, or even in simple messages to friends or employees. The poem begins with Jesus and ends with Jimi in the first person: "The story of Jesus / so easy to explain / after they crucified him / a woman, she claimed his name."

The message is rather amazing, especially as a last word. Jesus's life story is dominated by his crucifixion, even though he is considered by many to be the savior of humanity. The last line in the first stanza refers to a mysterious woman who "claimed" his name. Jimi then goes to a Jesus roaming the desert where he found a rose. Then in the next stanza he refers to a popular premise where Jesus was "married ever / happily after / for all the Tears we cry."

Then Jimi explains that there is "no use in arguing"; there are moans "when each man falls in Battle, His / soul it has to roam."

Jimi revisits the themes recurrent in his notebooks of angels and flying saucers, but then concludes a stanza referring to Easter Sunday, the resurrection, as "the name of the rising sun."

Here Jimi brings himself directly into this story: "We will gild the light / this time with a woman / in our arms." Instead of death being symbolized by the cross, the mysterious woman prevails: "the woman's always mentioned / at the moment that we die." As he ends the poem Jimi writes that Jesus's story "is the story of you and me." He makes it clear he is referring to himself. He cautions not to feel lonely, "I am you searching to be free." Life can end "quicker than the wink of an eye." But love is the real story, in greeting or farewell, "until we meet again."

Dannemann and Burdon agreed to keep the poem from public knowledge. They felt that it might indicate a "suicidal" state. She said that she had called her brother in Germany and indicated that Hendrix had been exhausted and wanted to sleep for several days; and that was why, apparently, he took so many sleeping pills.

Several other versions of Hendrix's death were to quickly surface, some preposterous, some perhaps not. One account has Hendrix being the victim of a contract on his life, where the regular delivery of an array of drugs was sabotaged and the regular deliveryman substituted. Whether this "delivery" also included the strong-armed drowning of the subject could not be established as being a part of that version. One had to do with COINTELPRO, the counterintelligence program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which sought to neutralize, by any means necessary, an array of black leaders and potential black leaders who were considered to be potential messiahs. Agents were to act to discredit groups and individuals within the responsible Negro community, and the Negro radicals and also the white liberals who have sympathy for militant black nationalists. It has been said that the FBI sought to encourage Martin Luther King Jr. to commit suicide up until his untimely and mysterious assassination.

Hendrix had publicly acknowledged support for the Black Panthers in high profile concerts and in national magazines. He had agreed to play a benefit for the Panthers at the Oakland Coliseum. He had been the biggest name in popular music to play an anti-Vietnam War benefit concert.

There are FBI documents that verify the agency's activity around Hendrix and his participation in benefits for white and black radical leftist causes. A clipping from an underground press paper that announced Hendrix playing in support of the infamous Chicago Seven (disrupters of the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1968) was annotated by the Bureau. These seven defendants included representatives of an array of radical organizations: Black Panther Bobby Seale, Yippie Jerry Rubin, and Students for a Democratic Society's Tom Hayden, among others. There is a striking juxtaposition between the date of that annotation and Hendrix's suspicious bust at the border in Toronto, Canada, a few days later. Another FBI-annotated clipping announced Hendrix's appearance for the antiwar Vietnam Moratorium Committee at Madison Square Garden at the beginning of 1970. His strange, suspicious poisoning at that event prevented him from performing and had many observers suspecting sabotage. A special feature of COINTELPRO was often called "dirty tricks," but serious prison sentences, blackmail, and death have been associated with these government-sanctioned "black-bag" activities.

Author Alex Constantine links the FBI, the CIA, and other intelligence agencies. "...As regards the presumed paucity of FBI files on Hendrix. Students in Santa Barbara [University of California] sued and laid hands on some of them. The FBI held most back....There is a common misperception concerning COINTELPRO. It was a PART of Operation CHAOS, an immense interagency attempt to counter the anti-war movement. CHAOS was international, so it was THIS operation that interfered with the Panther concert. The FBI and police hit squads killed 28 Black Panthers." Constantine considers Tupac Shakur as the twenty-ninth. Several significant members of Tupac's extended family were Black Panthers. His first recorded song was entitled "Panther Power." Hendrix had donated money to the unfairly imprisoned New York City Panther 21, which included Tupac Shakur's mother, Afeni.

Other accounts of Hendrix's mysterious death had him overdosing on superpowerful heroin at a friend's house on the outskirts of London and then taken to Monika Dannemann's place. Yet another account had him flown to Hollywood in a private jet, where he was murdered, and then flown back to London. Another account had him dying at a well-known rock star's apartment with Devon Wilson by his side.

Yet another account had Hendrix mistakenly receiving a lethal dose of heroin that had been given to Alan Douglas by Michael Jeffery in order to eliminate his successor as manager.

The following are Monika Dannemann's responses at the inquest on September 28, 1970, with commentary in brackets.

I am an artist and I live at the Garden Flat, 22 Lansdowne Crescent, London, W11. I have known Jimi Hendrix for about two years; we met in Germany. I had been in touch with him by telephone and letter while he was in the States. I met him when he came to this country in August. I have not known him to consult a doctor while in this country. I would say that all the time I knew him he was exhausted. As far as I know he always fulfilled his engagements. He took sleeping tablets from his doctor because he was nervous, but they were not that strong. I have not known him to take hard drugs, he tried them out just for experience. I do not know whether he took amphetamines. I have not known him to have a vomiting attack.

He had been staying with me since Tuesday, 15th September. Nobody else was staying at the flat. He slept well on the Tuesday and Wednesday night. [It is well documented that Hendrix spent Wednesday night at Danny Secunda's home in Knightsbridge.] I do not know about Thursday night. We did not spend a tiring day on Thursday and arrived home about 8:30 P.M. [That time is disputed by several persons.]

I cooked a meal and had a bottle of white wine about 11:00 P.M. He drank more of the bottle than I did. He had nothing to drink other than the wine. I had a bath and washed my hair and then we talked. At this time there was no arguments or stress, it was a happy atmosphere.

When we came back [from picking him up from Peter Cameron's party] we were talking. I took a sleeping tablet at about 7:00 A.M. [One researcher opines that a whole tablet would put someone of her size out for many more hours than the two or three she had testified to sleeping.] I made him two fish sandwiches. [Terry Slater was certain there was no food in the house when he arrived that fateful morning to help "clean up."] We were in bed talking. [He was taken to the hospital fully clothed, rather "flamboyantly" at that, according to one doctor. Hardly pajamas, or sleepwear of any kind.] I woke around 10:20 A.M. He was sleeping normally. [According to the ambulance attendants, "He was covered in wine and vomit." There was "tons" of it all over the bed and the pillows.] I went around the corner to get cigarettes, when I came back he had been sick, he was breathing and his pulse was normal [the ambulance attendants say he was dead when they arrived], but I could not wake him. I saw that he had taken sleeping tablets, there were nine of mine missing. I phoned for an ambulance and he was taken to hospital, where he lived for a short time. [Doctors at the hospital that day said Hendrix was dead on arrival. And that he had been dead for a long time.]

I had forty Vesperax sleeping pills at the flat. There were nine missing, I think he knew exactly what he could take in the way of sleeping tablets. When I last saw him before he went to sleep he was quite happy. [Since she says she fell asleep while Hendrix was still awake she would not know if he slept at all.] The tablets were in a cupboard, he would have to get out of bed to get the tablets.

He said he had had cannabis. There was no question of exhaustion on this particular evening. He was not a man to have moods. He was not tensed up. I have never heard him say he wished he were dead or that life was not worth living. He had business stresses but this did not worry him.

Later, the inquest returned an "open verdict," as it was called.


The death certificate listed as cause of death:
Inhalation of vomit.
Barbiturate intoxication (quinalbarbitone).
Insufficient evidence of circumstances.
Open verdict.

The "open verdict" was greatly dependent on the testimony of Monika Dannemann and Hendrix's road manager, Gerry Stickells.

The "open verdict," according to The New York Times, "meant that the court was unable to decide the exact reason for Mr. Hendrix's death..."

The admitting doctor at St. Mary's Abbot Hospital stated on the record that Jimi Hendrix's death was by drowning.

Although Gavin L. B. Thurston, coroner for Inner West London, is listed as informant, he did not sign the death certificate. A time of death was never officially determined.

Later, to the press and to friends, Dannemann was to reveal more about the evening. After the inquest and the "open verdict," Dannemann publicly revealed the untitled "The Story of Jesus" poem.

Further analysis of the pathology report indicated that Hendrix had a very low level of alcohol in his blood, much lower than the amount of wine that had been suffusing his organs and coming out of his nose and mouth when he arrived at the hospital. It would seem, according to the state of his body, that he had had an impossible amount of red wine after the party at Peter Cameron's and early the morning of September 18, yet the alcohol level in his blood remained unusually low. Hendrix did not drink like that, in crazy, sloppy overindulgence that would produce wine all over his clothing and even cake in his hair.

The cursory nature of the original inquest was a clear message to the youth culture and the black consciousness movement that the British authorities would not do what was needed to rule out any crimes that may have been done to Jimi Hendrix's person. There would be no investigation.

Those who followed the death and the aftermath noticed many inconsistencies in the official inquest. It was an open-and-shut affair that managed to hide its racist intent behind the public perceptual hoax of Hendrix as a substance abuser.

The initial reports in London newspapers, radio, and television misstated the facts of his death in accordance with the misinformation that was afloat. These reports took wing, and the initial contentions of death by drug overdose would seldom be altered by subsequent news media. The fabled British press would do no investigative stories.

As a result, millions of people all over the world thought that Hendrix had died the typical rock star death: drug overdose amid fame, blondes, opulence, sex. Decadence is usually associated with drug deaths. But it seems that Hendrix could very well have been the victim of foul play, foul play with extreme prejudice.

Jimi Hendrix did not die of a drug overdose.

As the immediacy of Hendrix's death faded, Monika Dannemann and Eric Burdon began to alter and expand their stories and reveal more of their involvement with and around Hendrix's last hours alive. At the same time, other stories began to surface. What may have seemed like a cut-and-dried accidental death began to acquire serious complications.

On September 21, very soon after Hendrix's death, Eric Burdon went on the BBC-TV program 24 Hours, hosted by Kenneth Alsop, and declared that he believed, from the Hendrix poem that was discovered after his death, that he had committed suicide. Burdon may have been believed had he not been so obviously stoned while making those assertions.

Warner Bros. is said to have collected one million dollars from a Lloyd's of London insurance policy as a result of Hendrix's death.

A fluke interview that Dannemann was said to have given to the Germanlanguage Enquirer-like magazine Bild the day after Hendrix's death seemed to be quite revealing. One can imagine, after reading her broken English accounts of what happened, that she must have been more at ease speaking to a fellow German in her own language. Upon checking out of the hotel she had retreated to after Hendrix's death, with Eric Burdon and others, she had had a dispute over the bill and then had trouble finding a taxi. Egan F. Freheit, the reporter from Bild, helped her out, rode in the taxi he had procured for her, and got an exclusive interview.

The article, considered a scoop, ran under the headline "I Gave Jimi the Tablets" (Bild, September 24, 1970). Dannemann is quoted as having said, "'We looked forward to getting married. We already thought about how everything should be. I would then have designed the sleeves for his records.' The blonde girl talks about the evening when Jimi Hendrix died. 'The intrigues of the people who he worked with finished him off. He could not sleep so I gave him the tablets.... He died from that. No drugs were involved.' And about the many girls who he was supposed to have had? Monika: 'All a lie. I was the only one with whom he was together until the end, the whole time before the end of his life and that for every minute.'"

Monika would later deny giving the interview in any formal way, but she admitted riding with and talking to the reporter. The accompanying photo of her and Jimi in 1969 could have, at that time, only been obtained from her, according to author and researcher Tony Brown.

Later, Dannemann made a slight change in her story. Where she once said that she saw he was sick and called the ambulance, she began saying that she had called others before she called the ambulance, that she had not acted alone, as her initial statement in circulation indicated. Her time of awakening also changed. She told a police officer named Shaw on September 18 that she woke at 11:00 A.M. But at the inquest the time changed to 10:20 A.M. Later, the time would be 9:00 A.M. To Officer Shaw she did not mention going out for cigarettes, as she did later. Nor to any of the authorities did she mention her interactions with Eric Burdon, Alvenia Bridges, Judy Wong, and Terry Slater.

Years later, in 1986, Burdon published his memoir, I Used to Be an Animal but I'm All Right Now, and made some pretty serious admissions. He stated that he had answered Monika's telephone call as "the first light of dawn was coming through the window." He called her back to make sure she had called the ambulance. "She said, 'I can't have people around here now, there's all kinds of stuff [drugs] in the house.'" He states that he caught a minicab to the hotel shortly afterward. This is an admission that he had met Dannemann at the Samarkand rather than at the hospital. Dannemann maintained that Burdon's recollection was unreliable because he was still under the influence of drugs. But from his account and other interviews with him, this event sobered him up and woke him up completely. He quickly became aware of how bad it could be.

Dannemann's story is dependent on a time line that does not implicate her in Hendrix's death (she had been accused of waiting too long to call the ambulance). Burdon's statement that the time was at "first light," or around dawn, 7:00 A.M., when he first talked to Dannemann about Jimi's being in danger, makes the time consistent with the doctor's statement that Jimi had been dead for hours by the time he arrived at the hospital just before 11:30 A.M.

Five years later, in 1991, in a conversation with Kathy Etchingham, he seemed to have thrown all previous caution to the wind. Burdon stated, "It was early morning when I got the call, in fact, I thought it was earlier than early morning. I thought it was like in the early hours." He reiterated that he yelled and screamed for Dannemann to get an ambulance and those screams happened "on more than one occasion." He thought she was stalling because of being frozen with fear of being implicated and even prosecuted for drugs (the police report noted how "smartly clean" the premises were). Burdon, thinking that she would not call for help until the place was clean, went over there to take care of that business. "When I arrived there [at the Samarkand], I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me."

Terry Slater, a former Animal employee, was also there. He told Earth magazine in December of 1970, "I had been at the flat [the Samarkand Hotel suite] on Thursday night, and although he [ Jimi] wasn't happy, it was impossible to envisage what was going to happen." He would make a statement to Scotland Yard in 1992 to the effect that he had been at the Samarkand that morning and had helped clean up "the mess." For some reason he stated that "there was no food whatsoever in the flat and no evidence any had been cooked." But Slater may have solved the mystery of a call Jimi made that morning in which he said, "I need help bad, man." Slater: "When he called Eric that morning he called a friend, not his manager or any of his hangers-on — he went straight to a friend."

Slater was the one who had phoned Gerry Stickells between 8:00 A.M. and 9:00 A.M. in the first place to tell him there was a problem with Jimi at the hotel. Stickells had been delayed because he went at first to the Cumberland Hotel suite where Jimi was registered.

Eric Burdon went to the Samarkand Hotel and helped Monika clean up before the ambulance was called. They would clean the place of drugs and paraphernalia. Other sources said that some stuff was buried in the garden. Keith Altham, the journalist, has mentioned in a documentary that "Eric Burdon supposedly hoovered the place and got rid of drugs and things, in which case the ambulance was delayed before it got there."

Author Tony Brown adds to Burdon's and Slater's statements. In one of the many interviews he conducted with Monika Dannemann, before and after Etchingham's conversation with Eric Burdon, she mentioned that Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett — both road managers of Hendrix in Jeffery's employ — were also in the flat that morning, possibly before the ambulance was called. "Gerry Stickells and Eric Barrett, they took some of Jimi's stuff. Mainly, like messages, that kind of stuff. That was funny, that was so strange. They were only interested in all messages Jimi had received. Clotheswise they didn't bother at all. And the guitar, that was one of the things they wanted to take. I explained to them that in 1969 Jimi said to me, if ever he would not come back I could have his guitar. And I told them this, and Gerry Stickells still wanted to take it away from me, and I was completely in tears, naturally, not because of the guitar but because of the whole, you know, what happened. And it was Eric Barrett who sort of said to Gerry Stickells, let her have it."

It's possible they knew he was dead before the ambulance was called. If he was still alive they would have understood that their delay could have been a factor in his death. The doctors in the hospital emergency room (who ought to know) noted that Jimi Hendrix had been dead a long time. Although no one claimed to have checked Hendrix's life signs before the ambulance arrived, there is an implication that he was dead. That means that Dannemann, Slater, Bridges, Burdon, and possibly others may have had some idea of how Hendrix died, or at least more than is commonly known.

Another source said that the investigation carried on during the attempt to reopen the inquest discovered that the ambulance had been called from the public telephone within eyeshot of the Samarkand Hotel, suggesting that those who were there had left, called the ambulance, watched as the ambulance came, and then followed it to the hospital. And what does the huge amount of red wine have to do with anything? Vesperax is unusually strong; one pill is a barbiturate equivalent of 200 milligrams — with 150 milligrams of quinalbarbitone, a quick inducer of sleep, and 50 milligrams of brallobarbitone, which as an intermediate induces a longer sleep. It also contains an antihistamine of 39 milligrams of hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate.

Author Tony Brown points out, "The normal recommended dose of half a tablet of Vesperax would induce an eight-hour sleep for a normal man weighing one hundred sixty pounds. If Monika had taken one of these sleeping tablets, as she had stated — which would be twice the stated dose — on top of drinking so much red wine earlier in the evening, it would be nigh on impossible for her to wake up early and refreshed after only having three hours of sleep."

Does the content of Jimi's blood as determined from the autopsy indicate his having taken nine pills? And does the alcohol content of his liver and urine indicate the vast amounts of wine exuding from his orifices? His blood "Ethanol was at not more than 5 mgs percent. Extractions revealed a mixture of barbiturates consistent with those from Vesperax. The amount calculated as quinalbarbitone is 0.7 mgs percent." There was also 1.3 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his blood and 3.9 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his liver. His liver extractions also revealed properties consistent with those of brallobarbitone. Quinalbarbitone in the blood was at 3.9 mgs percent. The search for toxic drugs failed to reveal any hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate. A mysterious compound was isolated, which they said "might be a metabolite," and was found not only in the liver but in the urine as well, where there was a 46 mgs level of alcohol. It was thought "the blood-alcohol level was probably at 100 mgs at the time when he took the Vesperax." There was also brallobarbitone and amphetamine "easily detectable" in the urine.

In 1975, on the fifth anniversary of Hendrix's death, Dannemann told Caesar Glebbeek, a Dutch collector and Hendrix biographer, that she had awakened that fateful morning at 9:00 A.M. She said Hendrix was still asleep, but she just couldn't sleep anymore. Then she realized he had been sick. She tried to wake him but couldn't. He wouldn't wake up. So she called the ambulance, which came after ten minutes, and the ambulance attendants assured her, "He'll be okay again." She then repeated her oft-repeated theory: "While we were driving in the ambulance, they seated Jimi on a chair but with his head backwards, which I found out later was the worst position they could have put him in, because through this he couldn't breathe proper, because he has been sick." One can see the problems with her syntax. Her lack of fluency could give rise to all sorts of interpretations, but her concluding remarks are unequivocal: "I do believe that he got poisoned, that he actually got murdered. Well, there are some proof, but, well, you can't go to the police with it. There is something really behind the whole thing, and there's quite a powerful group behind all that. I think it is the Mafia."

The two ambulance drivers who on September 18, 1970, responded to the distress call from 22 Lansdowne Crescent and took Jimi Hendrix to St. Mary's Abbot Hospital were allowed by their employer, the London Ambulance Service, some years later to override their contractual restrictions and give interviews regarding that particular situation involving a celebrity.

The following is a statement issued on London Ambulance Service stationery and signed by David Smith, the press and public affairs manager:

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: 3.1.92/ J Hendrix, deceased (18th September 1970)/ In the light of our extensive enquiries it is apparent that the ambulancemen acted in a proper and professional manner./ There was no one else, except the deceased, at the flat (22 Lansdowne Crescent, LONDON W11) when they arrived; nor did anyone else accompany them in the ambulance to St. Mary Abbot Hospital./ I hope this clarifies the situation.

Reg Jones was the senior man of the two ambulance drivers. "I knew he was dead as soon as I walked in the room. You get a feel for it. I can't explain, but you do and I knew he was dead.... It was horrific...the door was flung wide open.... The room at first was dark...we had to pull the curtains. He was covered in vomit. There was tons of it all over the pillow. Black and brown it was. We felt for any pulse between his shoulders, pinched his earlobes and nose, showed a light in his eyes, but there was no response at all.... We had to get the police. We only had an empty flat.... I didn't know who he was. Jimi Hendrix? A bit out of my age group. When we got him to the hospital, full lights and sirens, we had to clean the ambulance out, it was really a mess, his bowels and bladder, all that goes when you're dead. That flat must have needed a good clean, too.... Sit him up! No, you don't sit people up when they've choked. Them steps up the flat was steep, and you had a natural incline on the way up, but no, he wasn't sat up."

The other ambulance attendant, John Saua, said, "We got down to the flat, and there was nobody but the body on the bed...he was on top of the bed, dressed, but I didn't recognize him.... We knew it was hopeless. There was no pulse, no respiration. He was flat on his back when we got there.... When we moved him the gases were gurgling. You get that when someone has died, it wasn't too pleasant. The vomit was all the way down...we had a hell of a time trying to suck him out; I mean, the vomit was dry and there was a hell of a lot of it. The aspirators in those days were all right...[but] they couldn't shift that lot.... I don't know if anybody would've recognized him. His own mother wouldn't have recognized him."

Ian Smith, one of the two police officers called to the scene, recalls that if anyone else had "been in the flat, they [the ambulance attendants] would have never called us to come in...he [ Jimi Hendrix] would have been identified....They could have just taken him off, but in the circumstances, you know — just the body, well, they radioed their control to get us in...nobody knew who he was..."

Dr. Seifert was one of the casualty doctors who received Jimi Hendrix's body at St. Mary's Abbot Hospital. Seifert was also the medical registrar. "Jimi was rushed into the resus[citation] room. He was put on a monitor, but it was flat. I pounded his heart a couple of times, but there was no point in doing anything else as he was dead.... I never spoke to or saw anyone about Jimi — no woman in admissions.... No one would have been allowed to look at him or stand over him. That would never have been done. I would have done anything to save him, but it was too late, he was dead.... No nurse went out to say we'd revived him, because we didn't — that just never happened. We didn't work on him anything like an hour, just a few minutes — he was dead."

Dr. Bannister was the surgical registrar at St. Mary's Abbot Hospital. He told the London Times, "He didn't have any pulse. The inside of his mouth and mucous membranes were black because he had been dead for some time. He had no circulation through his tissues at any time immediately prior to coming to the hospital....Masses" of red wine were "coming out of his nose and out of his mouth. It was horrific. The whole scene is very vivid because you don't often see people who have drowned in their own red wine. He had something around him — whether it was a towel or a jumper [sweater] — around his neck that was saturated with red wine. His hair was matted. He was completely cold. I personally think he probably died a long time before. He was cold and he was blue. He had all the parameters of someone who had been dead for some time. We worked on him for about half an hour without any response at all. There was a medical registrar, myself, nursing staff, and I think one other doctor.... The medical staff used an eighteen-inch sucker to try to clear Hendrix's airway but it would just fill up with red wine from his stomach. A heart monitor did not register. Hendrix had been dead for hours rather than minutes when he was admitted to the hospital."

The testimony of the ambulance drivers and the examining doctors directly contradicted Monika Dannemann's statements that she was with Hendrix the entire early morning of his death, that she could account for all but a few minutes of his last hours alive, and that they retired to bed and rested peacefully for several hours. (We assume he did not bed down with his clothes on.) According to her testimony, when she called the ambulance, Hendrix was still alive, and within the hour he was at the hospital. Yet the ambulance attendant said he was dead when they arrived, that he had no pulse. And both doctors say he had been dead a long time. A long time is much more than an hour.

Jimi was at the center of a number of dilemmas at the time of his death, and most of those dilemmas were chronic situations that had been going on consistently for a good while in his life as a star.

One of the most serious of his dilemmas had to do with women, and that may have proved fatal one way or the other. Hendrix often brought out the best and the worst in women, depending on what degree of moral analysis they brought to the picture or what level of Jimi's rock star libidinal behavior an individual thought justifiable. However it was cut, Jimi had a woman problem. Women lined up at his door or knocked at his door at all hours of the night and early morning. The Plaster Casters and others raved about his superior physical endowment. His erotic stage act made grown women scream like teenage girls (long before male strippers came on the scene). Jimi's act was notorious, although it seemed that he had toned it down at the beginning of the 1970s, perhaps more sensitive to the enormous effect he had on people.

This woman problem also extended, logically, to his friends, acquaintances, fellow musicians, performers, and business associates: employees and partners. Although not as obviously enchanted as the screaming fans, many of the wives, girlfriends, secretaries, and personal assistants of his associates were known to pounce when the time and proximity were right. Jimi, a king of Flower Power and the resultant sexual freedom, operated consistently as an uncommitted, sexually open individual. But many of his male associates were threatened by the possibility that their significant others would be drawn to Jimi.

One of the massive complicating factors was that Jimi Hendrix generated so much money that most of the people around him made their living directly or indirectly from him.

It was in the realm of marriage that Hendrix faced his greatest danger. Although musicians and performers were not known for successful marriages, Jimi's business associates often prided themselves on their normal, traditional lives and committed personal relationships.

Hendrix's sexual conquests were so vast that they often ceased to have any real significance for him. Many women around him acted as if they, too, were sexually liberated, open in their sexual relationships, but few really were.

Hendrix's involvement with Angie Burdon, estranged wife of Eric Burdon, was a very public affair. In at least two incidents they got into actual physical violence. The first was witnessed by the roadie "H" (Howard Parker), a local music-scene insider in whose London flat they had fought. The second time was in the Londonderry Hotel on Jimi's return to London for what would turn out to be his last tour. The aftermath of the violence of that early morning in his hotel suite — where he, Angie, and another woman had spent the night in bed together — was witnessed by his former girlfriend, Kathy Etchingham. Angie had summoned her to the hotel so she would intervene and allow the girls to retrieve their clothes, which were inside the bedroom with an angry Hendrix. Angie and Eric Burdon shared (separately) a good portion of Jimi's final moments on earth.

Jimi's return to London as a headliner at the Isle of Wight festival had a big effect on the small, tight London scene. He had had a big impact in the recent past and his presence in town was keenly felt. Alfreda Benge — the girlfriend and later, wife, of Robert Wyatt (Soft Machine) — was candid about her attraction to Hendrix's flamboyant sexuality. Benge told Charles Shaar Murray, "For my generation of white females, he was the first person who transcended the sexual barrier between black and white.... It had never occurred to me to fancy someone black. He was a big breakthrough for antiracism. From then on, black people became fanciable."

Pete Townshend of the Who had found Hendrix's early London performances very sexual, not in an "appealing way," but rather, more "threatening." When he asked his girlfriend Karen Astley (who he married in 1968) if she thought Hendrix's act was sexual, and she replied, "Are you fucking kidding?," Townshend had been unaware of how "aroused" his girlfriend had become seeing those shows.

Eric Clapton could have been speaking for many men on the set when he revealed a frustration with Hendrix's sex appeal in remarks made to Rolling Stone in 1968: "You know, English people have a very big thing towards a spade. They really love that magic thing. They all fall for that kind of thing. Everybody and his brother in England still sort of think that spades have big dicks. And Jimi came over and exploited that to the limit...and everybody fell for it." Robert Wyatt doubted Clapton would have said such things to Hendrix's face.

Just over two weeks after Hendrix's return to London and the night before his death, Daniel Secunda, who was hosting Alan and Stella Douglas in his London flat, took his guests, Jimi, and Devon to dinner at a Moroccan Restaurant on Fulham Road. It was clear to Secunda that Alan Douglas was "hustling to take over as Jimi's manager." Michael Jeffery, who was thought to have solid underworld and intelligence-agency connections, had Jimi "by now, very worried." It was a strange night. "Jimi and the girls were so smacked out that, through the meal, they barely ate anything or even said a word. When we got back to my place," Secunda said, "Jimi went off to bed with Stella and Devon. He loved a ménage à trois."

Alan Douglas, who is described by Sharon Lawrence as a "white man who affected the look of a black man, complete with Afro hairstyle, goatee and, often, deep tan," had many times been in contention with Hendrix's manager, Michael Jeffery, for influence and a working relationship with Jimi. He had a meeting with Jeffery just after Hendrix's death. Said Douglas, "When I arrived he was bent over, in misery from a recent back injury. We started talking and he let it all hang out. It was like a confession. The one thing he said that I'll never forget was, 'Every time I had a woman I cared for, at some point I would realize that she was with me only to get to him.'" Douglas added, "In my opinion Jeffery hated Hendrix because Jimi had slept with Lynne Bailey [ Jeffery's girlfriend]. Being so open, Hendrix couldn't have understood why Jeffery might be upset."

But Hendrix's potential conflicts were not limited to jealous husbands, wives, girlfriends, and boyfriends. He was also having a serious conflict with drug smugglers who were pressuring him to allow them to use his tour apparatus to make it possible for them to smuggle large amounts of cocaine and other substances. Some, who had made him frequent gifts of coke, hash, marijuana, methamphetamines, LSD, poppers, and other substances, felt he owed them a favor. Others had used their entree, through gifts, to increasingly pressure him to comply.

Throughout his life as a star, Hendrix had frequently been dosed with drugs by fans and friends who meant well. But since the beginning of 1970, he had to deal with some of the most severe dosing he had ever encountered. Jimi could handle most substances. Though often challenged, he could usually get through a set. But during his last European tour his behavior had been seriously affected on several occasions, and he had been unable to play.

Jimi would not be as totally disoriented as Billy Cox had become, yet they were affected in similar ways by dosing. Jimi could still function impaired, could keep on moving and eventually rebound, but Billy Cox was another story. Once Billy returned to the States, Jimi was relieved of having to care for him, but he lost connections with that survival energy. And, as it appears, Jimi was still susceptible to being dosed.

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Dannemann published a book in 1995, The Inner World of Jimi Hendrix, in which she describes fantastic plans she and Hendrix had allegedly made to marry, to have a child, to live in Europe. He encouraged her painting, he telephoned her mother, he was concerned about her father, who she maintained had recently had a heart attack. She understood that they could not officially announce their wedding yet, since the press would surely challenge her father's recovery. On the cover and title page of her book she prefaced her name as author with: "by his fiancée."

Most of Hendrix's close friends doubted that he would even consider marriage to Dannemann. Jimi proposed marriage on many a one-night stand, but it was understood to be essentially an amusing extension of/variation on a pickup line.

Dannemann's variances in her stories of Jimi's last days are now legend, and many of them have been completely discounted. Her statements at the inquest perhaps began these fictions. Researchers have pretty well established that Hendrix was not living with her at the Samarkand Hotel. He had no clothes there other than a headband, but his most important possession was there: his Fender Stratocaster. It has been established that he was changing clothes and taking meals at the Cumberland Hotel. He didn't often sleep there, but neither did he often stay at Monika's.

Another little-known piece of the puzzle that took years to surface concerned three people who encountered Jimi and Dannemann as they drove in traffic on the afternoon of September 17, hours before Hendrix would die under extremely mysterious circumstances.

Phillip Harvey was tooling along in his 1968 Mustang with two young and attractive teenagers in the front seat with him. The girls saw Jimi and waved, and Jimi waved back. They came up next to each other and got to chatting. Harvey invited Jimi to his home for a drink, and Jimi accepted, but first they followed him to the Cumberland Hotel, where Jimi got his messages, and then Jimi, with Monika driving, followed Harvey to his nearby home.

Monika parked her sports car in front of Harvey's fashionable town home. It was clear he was a wealthy young man of status. One of the young women was Anne Day, a redheaded Canadian folksinger of nineteen who was staying there with Phillip; the other one was Penny Ravenhill, who was sixteen. They were, according to Harvey, "very attractive in a natural kind of way, they were both wearing tight blue jeans without any makeup or adornment at all." Harvey contrasted their appearance by commenting that Dannemann appeared to be about thirty years of age, "an overly made-up lady with dyed blonde hair."

Harvey waited for more than twenty years before coming forward to recount Hendrix and Dannemann's visit to his home. The good scene turned ugly at the end with Monika becoming violently angry with Hendrix when he retired to a small room with one of the girls. Dannemann stormed out of the house, shouting loudly on the respectable street that Hendrix was a "fucking pig." Embarrassed, Jimi followed her out. She refused to return and Jimi came back inside to apologize profusely. He left and Harvey watched them drive off noting that the time of their departure was about 10:30 P.M.

Phillip Harvey, the son of the prominent politician Lord Harvey of Prestbury, a Conservative member of parliament, is nowadays known as the Honorable Phillip Harvey. He had remained silent about the encounter because of his family's prominence in public service. But after his father's death, in 1994, he felt it was all right to reveal this significant prelude to Hendrix's death.

Dannemann maintained at the inquest and in statements to the public and to writers and others that after the encounter with Harvey, Anne, and Penny, she and Hendrix went to her hotel suite at the Samarkand. But others maintain that he went on to a party at the home of Peter Cameron very soon after the visit to Harvey's. He did not take Monika in with him. Devon was there; Stella and Alan Douglas; his old nemesis, Angie Burdon; and several others. Dannemann maintains that Jimi asked her to pick him up after a short time, but those at the party indicate that Jimi came, ate Chinese food, hung out, and was cool until sometime later when Dannemann began ringing him on the intercom. He put her off but she persisted by coming back in half an hour. This became a heated thing. Stella got on the intercom and was extremely rude to Monika. This did not put her off. Pretty soon, Angie recalled, guests were hanging out the window yelling at Monika. They cried, "Fuck off" and "Leave him alone," yet Dannemann persisted. Then finally he went to the intercom, mumbled something, and then without saying anything, just got into the elevator and split. "That was around three in the morning by then," according to Angie Burdon. This may have angered Dannemann all the more since Jimi had stayed so long at a party where she was not welcome, and in fact had been ridiculed, insulted, and cursed.

Monika Dannemann turns out to be quite the mystery woman. There is little if any biographical information on her in England, the United States, or in Germany. She may or may not have been who she said she was. Suppressed information that has come to the fore provides a surprising turnaround from Dannemann's long-disputed versions of her story of Hendrix's last days. Also to consider are the various monumental motivations of the characters interacting with Hendrix during his last days.

Monika Dannemann is at the top of that monumental motivation list. Although maniacally opposed to any notion that she may have indeed been just another "groupie," Dannemann's suppressions tended to reinforce that notion of her own groupiedom. Other black musicians, such as Ram John Holder, Al

Anderson (lead guitarist with Bob Marley and the Wailers), and Jerome Rimson (the itinerant African-American bass player), all spoke of a close relationship with her before Hendrix came along. Her unrealistic fantasies of married life with Hendrix, and her great anger with him and the girls they encountered with Phillip Harvey, reveal an irrational, volatile, dangerous side to her carefully constructed image. Her struggle to express herself creatively and be validated seems to lie behind many of her public statements and actions. In fact, no one ever heard of her until Hendrix died in her bed.

According to several of his close friends, Devon Wilson was the closest Hendrix had been to having a real girlfriend. They had an open relationship that was unorthodox in many other ways as well. She lived with him at 59 West Twelfth Street in New York City, an apartment she had found for him to rent. Hendrix had made it clear that he did not want her in England during what turned out to be his last tour. The fact that she showed up in London did not please him. He told Judy Wong that he and Monika would marry, he knew that Wong (who was married to a member of the rock group Jethro Tull) would tell Devon. The object of this obvious intrigue was to needle Devon. She responded, threatening Monika physically. Hendrix had to know that would be her reaction. He purposefully pissed her off. They had a history of doing this kind of stuff to each other and then making up. Hendrix, a participant in innumerable one-night stands, was known to often play newlywed or at least fiancé with many he bedded. He had long played with the sanctity of marriage: lately it had been a preoccupation. He had expressed a desire to marry angelic model/actress Kristen Nefer, whom he had recently met and who had been his companion from just before the Isle of Wight gig at the end of August 1970 until his leaving for the Isle of Fehmarn, Germany, about ten days later. Nefer might have continued touring with him, but she was filming a movie. She had managed to accompany him on his Scandinavian gigs, and he had stayed with her and her family in Denmark. Somehow the local papers had reported they were to marry.

There was no doubt that at the time of his death Devon was provoked and angry with him, as, strangely enough, it appears Dannemann was also. And so were others close to him. Alan Douglas, Michael Jeffery, Eric Burdon could have been angry — although they could have never expressed anything that would alienate themselves from Hendrix, the king of the music scene, and necessary to their success in the music business.

Michael Jeffery had several things going with Hendrix. On one hand Jeffery had made Jimi's dream, Electric Lady Studios, a reality, even though Jimi provided most of the funds. Jimi had become a very wealthy man, but mainly from his live performances. He had cash. But a lot of that cash had been lost, and other funds had been documented as missing. Jeffery was not above impacting Jimi's creativity. He was against Jimi playing with black musicians. Taharqa and Tunde-Ra Aleem (the Ghetto Fighters, aka "The Twins," Jimi's personal backup singers) laughed at how Jeffery and the all-white office staff would always refer to them — Billy Cox, Buddy Miles, even Jimi — as "the boys," totally unaware of the insult.

It seemed like Jeffery was not only against Jimi getting involved with black musicians, black politics, or radical organizations, like the Black Panthers or the anti-Vietnam war movement, but he also kept mainstream politics away from his star, which Jimi learned after the fact. In 1968 Robert Kennedy tried to reach Jimi after the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination to help offset unrest that summer. Jimi was being recognized as a person of power who could help influence the course of the nation. But Kennedy himself was assassinated that summer, never having heard from Hendrix because Jeffery refused to deliver the message to Jimi. The same happened the following year when Richard Nixon sought to include Hendrix in a countercultural conference the White House was sponsoring for its own edification. Again, Jeffery failed to deliver the message. And Jeffery's employees would publicly insist that Hendrix was color blind, unaware of race.

Hendrix had made it public on several occasions that he was dissatisfied with Jeffery's management and wanted a change. Alan Douglas seemed anointed by Hendrix to succeed Jeffery. In September of 1970, Douglas, a noted producer, was doing well with his Last Poets album, which was in the Billboard Top 30 best-selling LP list. Jeffery knew that if his management deal with Hendrix ended in December 1970, less than three months away, was not extended, everything about that management history and his other partnerships with Hendrix would be up for review — and there was a lot of money missing and a lot of other inconsistencies that have been revealed in the subsequent years.

Alan Douglas was the point man, trying to help Hendrix with the transition. But it was, kind of, all in the family. His wife, Stella, was very close to Hendrix. This situation was a factor in Hendrix's trust of Douglas. Stefan Bright, Douglas's recording engineer and employee, believed Stella, Devon, and Colette, Stella's design partner, were "very intriguing women. Especially Stella and Colette, who were so sensual. The attraction was mutual. They were both beautiful but at the same time very sad people. Their relationship with Hendrix was intimate; it wasn't just, 'Let's go down to the Scene and listen to Jimi,' it went way beyond the club scene. Stella and Colette were more emotionally stable than Devon, who was in and out with Jimi so many times it was unbelievable, but in the end he always came back to the three girls."

Strangely enough, Alan Douglas would come to control Hendrix's music after his death and — with Stefan Bright as recording engineer — would make numerous serious creative decisions about Jimi's music.

Eric Burdon was strangely connected to Hendrix throughout his London days and especially in the hours leading up to the early morning of the day he died. Hendrix had sat in with his group War at Ronnie Scott's jazz club the night before in what would be his last performance. Burdon admitted (some twenty years later) that he had gone to the hotel suite where Hendrix lay dead or dying and helped "clean" the place. Burdon had been very close to Michael Jeffery, manager of the Animals, the group Burdon had been lead singer of. They were in court due to money missing from the Animals' bank account in the Bahamas, which Jeffery oversaw. Hendrix's funds had also been deposited there and then "lost." In the early morning of September 18, Hendrix had just left the party at Peter Cameron's house where Angie Burdon was with Stella and Devon. Eric and Angie had married while Hendrix was emergent in England in 1966-1967 and Hendrix may have been a factor in their eventual divorce.

Just about everyone who was with Hendrix during his last hours either worked for or was in some way financially connected to Michael Jeffery, or was part of the extended family of Alan Douglas.

Eric Burdon: "The business killed him and I just can't put it any better."

Jimi Hendrix did not die of a drug overdose. He was drowned.

Devon Wilson died a mysterious death at the Chelsea Hotel in New York City early in 1971. Some say she leaped or was pushed from a hotel window or the roof. Others say she was found at the Chelsea badly beaten, perhaps to death, with a needle sticking from her arm.

Michael Jeffery perished when his commercial flight collided with another airplane over Majorca, Spain, in March 1973.

Angelina "Angie" Burdon eventually divorced from Eric Burdon. She moved to Australia, where she was murdered by a boyfriend in 1992.

Monika Dannemann was found dead in April of 1996 in a small seaside town in England. A hose attached to the exhaust pipe of her Mercedes and routed through a window was said to have been responsible for her death, which was officially termed a suicide.

Copyright © 1978, 1981, 2008 by David Henderson

http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=HARDCOVER:USED:9780743274005:18.50&page=excerpt

Herman Cherusken
06-06-10, 01:41 PM
Herman-- Ive not seen any photos from the apartment (do we have any on CTT)?

Can't remember where I saw pictures of the room right now...

ilovejimi
06-06-10, 02:13 PM
"a woman, she claimed his name"

stplsd
06-06-10, 04:13 PM
No really, Alvenia is the correct spelling. :D

I was expecting a bit more than that, what makes you so sure it's not Alvinia? This is relatively recent:

http://www.thefactoryandfriends.com/ALVINIA_BRIDGES_as_seen_by_christopher_m._lynch.ht ml

I can find a lot more including books.

stplsd
06-06-10, 04:21 PM
pictures from the appartment shows a fairly small bed,

Anyone else seen these photos? were they of the same bed?

stplsd
06-06-10, 04:45 PM
The quite common case of vomiting while unconscious through drink [a drug], and/or other drugs...
...explains wine in his lungs.

stplsd
06-06-10, 05:14 PM
Exactly. This is one of the most puzzling aspects of the case. The wine in his hair and clothes could be explained by a bottle tipping over him as he slept but all that wine in his stomach and lungs is difficult to understand without foul play (by Danneman, not hit-men or hired thugs).

The wine (and other matter) can easily/obviously be "explained" by puking up quite a bit (and quite possibly spilling an amount of wine). The amount is entirely subjective, you can make quite a mess spewing up a mix of red wine thickened with half digested food (as described by the ambulance), [Billy Connolly on spewing over a small dog: "I don't remember eating that"] apart from him being obviously dead, they couldn't resucitate him anyway as his throat was blocked with dried "matter" ie stomach contents (vomit) which obviously included quite an amount of semi solid matter, which they couldn't shift. These experienced men didn't see anything suspicious, or sinister (apart from the flat being empty and the door being open, the reason the police were called in).

This became more exotically described by a strange man later struck off (ie disgraced and no longer able to work in the medical profession) for fraud (ie telling lies to benefit oneself), who appears to revel in gore. His later description - timed to coincide with the most dubious & sensationlist publication (while hardly containing any material actually related to Jimi, lacking any concrete info and full of gross errors) on Jimi to date - is just a gross exaggeration of his previous already self serving, dodgy, and sensationalist account.

The senior doctor in attendance Martin Siefert's testimony, refutes much of his claims.

stplsd
06-06-10, 05:55 PM
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Open verdict.The "open verdict" was greatly dependent on the testimony of Monika Dannemann and Hendrix's road manager, Gerry Stickells.<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>
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The reason an open verdict was called was due to Monika & Gerry’s testimony that he wasn’t suicidal – that’s it folks. <o:p></o:p>
The coroner properly returned an open verdict as it is still “called”. He was an expert in these cases. Inhation of vomit (mostly wine by several accounts - unsurprisingly) was the immediate cause of death, barbiturates were the cause of the inhalation. There was insufficient evidence to say whether the amount of barbs taken to cause his death was accident or suicide. If the coroner had cause to suspect foul play the police would have had to treat it as a possible murder, he obviously didn’t feel there was any reason to suspect this, nether did anyone else at the time, it was only years later when there wasn’t much else to grab the buyers attention about Jimi did the “industry” come up with the kidnap and then the murder plots.
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The "open verdict," according to The New York Times,
When?

"meant that the court was unable to decide the exact reason for Mr. Hendrix's death..."
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Many years later, and it's a matter of semantics really, no-one else involved felt that was an entirely adequate description, although the amount of liquid involved in most cases like this (eg Bon Scott) appear to a layman like me to be basically drowning .
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Although Gavin L. B. Thurston, coroner for Inner West London, is listed as informant, he did not sign the death certificate. A time of death was never officially determined.
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Later, to the press and to friends, Dannemann was to reveal more about the evening. After the inquest and the "open verdict," Dannemann publicly revealed the untitled "The Story of Jesus" poem.

No, it was almost immediately that Burdon revealed this, claiming it was a suicide note.
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Further analysis of the pathology report indicated that Hendrix had a very low level of alcohol in his blood,

No, it wasn't "very low" it was high enough to be prosecuted for drunk driving.


much lower than the amount of wine that had been suffusing his organs and coming out of his nose and mouth when he arrived at the hospital.

Wine coming out of you is by this very nature undigested and would'nt contribute to the blood/alcohol level significantly.


It would seem, according to the state of his body, that he had had an impossible amount of red wine

See above for this wild exaggeration.

stplsd
06-06-10, 06:19 PM
Dannemann and Burdon agreed to keep the poem from public knowledge. They felt that it might indicate a "suicidal" state.
Nonsense. Burdon almost immediately went on British television and told the world that Jimi had commited suicide.


Several other versions of Hendrix's death were to quickly surface [...]
One account has Hendrix being the victim of a contract on his life, where the regular delivery of an array of drugs was sabotaged and the regular deliveryman substituted. [...]One had to do with COINTELPRO, the counterintelligence program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation

These did not "quickly surface" they were years later.



suicide was unlikely for a wealthy man

Well, that's a refreshing claim, most commentators (not me) appear to think he was in almost insurmountable debt, due to being continuously robbed by Jeffery.


Those knowing Jimi's writing were familiar with his constant referral to hearing his train coming, or in other words, having or expecting to have some premonition about his death.

In this case "the train" is obviously one that is taking him to his fortune and fame, ie quite the opposite.

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:03 PM
Hendrix did not drink like that, in crazy, sloppy overindulgence that would produce wine all over his clothing and even cake in his hair.

Says who, it wasn't just wine he spewed anyway, wine on it's own wouldn't "cake". There are several accounts of Jimi getting wrecked on drink, including himself. He only appears to have got "into" downers towards the end, the late 60s early 70's was the time when downers especially barbs/mandrax(qualludes)/smack/wine became the "new" drugs of choice for a lot of rock musicians, as opposed to the 60's speed/grass/acid. If you're out of it who's to say how sloppy you might get, drinking the best part of a bottle of wine quite quickly is hardly "crazy", taking a load of barbs is crazy, but at the time, depending on your state, not very unusual.

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:09 PM
Hendrix's appearance for the antiwar Vietnam Moratorium Committee at Madison Square Garden at the beginning of 1970. His strange, suspicious poisoning at that event prevented him from performing


No, he performed two complete songs - Who Knows & Earth Blues, although delivered in a very different style from their usual, (ie furiously, but more than competantly ) and with obviously partly/mostly ad-libbed lyrics. His behaviour was strange, but who knows. Buddy's allegations are patently ridiculous and obviously a revenge attempt against Jeffery who he persisted in seeing as the "management that broke up the BOGs" when it is quite obvious from several of Buddy's statements, most of Billy's, and especially Jimi's statements and pattern of involvement that this "group" was only ever considered by him as the vehicle to record [U]two gigs only for the "Chalpin Lp". Noel, much later, pathetically, went along with Buddy's allegation but his details were all wrong. He had, of course, been snubbed by Jimi too, just a couple of months later. No one else that was there thinks he was spiked by Jeffery, or even that he was neccessarily on acid.

stplsd
06-06-10, 07:41 PM
The cursory nature of the original inquest was a clear message to the youth culture and the black consciousness movement that the British authorities would not do what was needed to rule out any crimes that may have been done to Jimi Hendrix's person. There would be no investigation.

The autopsy and coroner's report were not "cursory" they gutted him and did numerous tests etc. He was no different than any other deaths at the time that required an autopsy, high profile or not.

No one who actually cared at the time thought that anything had been "un-investigated" or anything other than he died from choking through barbs (on spewing if they went that far). Those that thought he died from a heroin overdose were those that would think that anyway, regardless. Very much a Brian Jones scenario - another "star" (Jimi was of course the pole star) pathetically (stupidly?)/disturbingly (depressingly?) dying through what you and your mates would never do (we thought. - downers/booze how pathetic tut, tut [almost betrayed

Eric Burdon went to the Samarkand Hotel and helped Monika clean up before the ambulance was called. They would clean the place of drugs and paraphernalia. Other sources said that some stuff was buried in the garden. Keith Altham, the journalist, has mentioned in a documentary that "Eric Burdon supposedly hoovered the place and got rid of drugs and things, in which case the ambulance was delayed before it got there."

What a load of guff, by several accounts there were at least two roadies there well before the ambulance arrived. There was no trace of anything in his blood apart from some prescription drugs and booze there was nothing to "get rid of" Jimi didn't live there, he wasn't a dope dealer, if he had some personal cannabis it would take two seconds to lose it. "Paraphenalia" - give me a break!
Burdon's talk of him removing "guitars", there was one, (quite probably the retrieval of which was the reason for Jimi being there that night, "in the first place";-) which Monika wheedled out of the not-that-understanding roadies (they didn't know her from Adam), but they let her have it anyway. She also kept the empty (red) wine bottle.


the police report noted how "smartly clean" the premises were.

Don't remember this, where's it from?


As a result, millions of people all over the world thought that Hendrix had died the typical rock star death: drug overdose ...

What famous rock stars had "typically" died from a drug overdose apart from Brian-J (no longer a "star"), but then he didn't really, he just drowned because of them script barbs/booze/asthma/cool/swimming pool.



He could not sleep so I gave him the tablets.... He died from that. No drugs were involved

What did she think barbs were, sweets?

stplsd
06-07-10, 05:27 AM
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Taharqa and Tunde-Ra Aleem (the Ghetto Fighters, aka "The Twins," Jimi's personal backup singers) laughed at how Jeffery and the all-white office staff would always refer to them — Billy Cox, Buddy Miles, even Jimi — as "the boys," totally unaware of the insult.<o:p></o:p>
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"Always" surely a ridiculous exaggeration. If they did, it would have been used as an endearment. People (especially Brits) commonly use this term as an endearment as well as "chaps" & "lads" and would have used it occasionally about any group of thier team including Mitch, Noel, Gerry & Eric etc as well. why would this be an insult? An insult only if it's clearly used as one, in the singular. If you feel insulted by something why wouldn't you point it out? (Did the Aleems bring this topic up with Henderson? it doesn't sound like them) <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City><st1:place>Henderson</st1:place></st1:City> has a race problem, continually vomiting on about it (unlike Jimi). Remember his disgusting slur on Mitch? He's one of those twats that sees everything in racial terms.<o:p></o:p>
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karsten
06-07-10, 06:41 AM
What a load of guff, by several accounts there were at least two roadies there well before the ambulance arrived.

From where do you have this info?

karsten
06-07-10, 06:49 AM
The reason an open verdict was called was due to Monika & Gerry’s testimony that he wasn’t suicidal – that’s it folks. <o:p></o:p>


Though it does come to mind that the court hearing was a rush job of just another selfimposed death of a rock star.

I wasn't taken into account that Monika's testimony wasn't consistant with what the ambulance drivers later recalled.
Was there a report filed by the police upon arriving to and empty apartment?

stplsd
06-07-10, 07:01 AM
From where do you have this info?

The Final Days Harry Shapiro interview of Gerry Stickells: "I recieved a telephone call from Terry Slater, fairly early. . . between 8am and 9am, Terry told me that there was a "problem" with Jimi at the Hotel." etc.

stplsd
06-07-10, 07:28 AM
Though it does come to mind that the court hearing was a rush job of just another selfimposed death of a rock star.

I repeat: What famous rock stars had "typically" died from a drug overdose at this time? None I can think of off hand.


I wasn't taken into account that Monika's testimony wasn't consistant with what the ambulance drivers later recalled.

No one found anything to warrant an investigation of foul play other than a possible suicide. We don't know what went on conversation wise between the different parties. Her official statement to the coroner wasn't significantly different from the ambulance mens later recollections. She said "I called an ambulance and he was taken to the hospital ..." (no mention of her being in it), but then later in the statement after she got to the official time of death (12:45pm) slipped in "Prior to going with him to the hospital, I checked my supply of Vesperax..." at the time this wouldn't have seemed significant, if even noticed, if it was considered at all it was probably fleeting and would have seemed just a slight semantic mix up of a foreign language speaker, one a native speaker could innocently make even, and it would be assumed that she went to the hospital around the same time.


Was there a report filed by the police upon arriving to and empty apartment?
I presume so, when Monika turned up he took a statement from her, which exists in some form.
Whether the PC's report was kept or not - ?

Interesting? Tony Brown's book quotes the autopsy, it's strange that a distinction is made between seconal and quinalbarbitone as if they were different? both appear to be just brand names of the same drug (seconal in the US & quinalbarbitone UK) ie secobarbitol?

backfromthestorm
06-07-10, 08:20 AM
"And Jeffery's employees would publicly insist that Hendrix was color blind, unaware of race."


hehe thats funny. As if! :afro::minipersonen065:

stplsd
06-07-10, 08:37 AM
^
Who are you quoting?
Yes, some of the English (US ?) ones (Jimi's employees as well, don't forget) took Jimi's line way too far. These guys are not intellectuals and it was a time of big change: "we're all one", "great big melting pot" etc. The UK is not the same as the US.
It's nowhere as f'ked up as Henderson's much later (after the events) bigoted shenanigans. Race is a useless word when applied to humans, there only is one race, the human race - it's a fact. We all come from Africa, yes, even the Chinese;-)

Chas came out with a dodgy one in 66: “He’s coloured but he doesn’t think like a coloured person." Not sure if he was thinking along Jimi's lines mind you;-)

Ezy Rider
06-07-10, 10:22 AM
Okay, this is interesting. Jimi died of taking nine sleeping pills, but can someone with knowledge tell me where these nine pills are found in the autopsy report? Do these numbers amount to nine pills or how do they know that? Because nine pills were missing (I believe reading somewhere that one pill was later found under the bed) doesn't mean he all swallowed them. My point is: Jimi may indeed have taken one or two (deliberately or not) which similarly could have caused the vomiting but which did not kill him. A subsequent rescue attempt, lavishly applied with red wine by Monika, could have. A story on nine missing pills, hints of suicide in a last poem etc, could easily deflect the attention of the screw up (deliberately or not).

His blood "Ethanol was at not more than 5 mgs percent. Extractions revealed a mixture of barbiturates consistent with those from Vesperax. The amount calculated as quinalbarbitone is 0.7 mgs percent." There was also 1.3 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his blood and 3.9 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his liver. His liver extractions also revealed properties consistent with those of brallobarbitone. Quinalbarbitone in the blood was at 3.9 mgs percent. The search for toxic drugs failed to reveal any hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate. A mysterious compound was isolated, which they said "might be a metabolite," and was found not only in the liver but in the urine as well, where there was a 46 mgs level of alcohol. It was thought "the blood-alcohol level was probably at 100 mgs at the time when he took the Vesperax." There was also brallobarbitone and amphetamine "easily detectable" in the urine.

And STPLSD, can you pleeez tell us what your idea on the matter is instead of cutting other people's arguments to pieces? You got me completely lost. I believe you argue that Jimi's dead was an accident. But how then do you explain all the inconsistencies?

karsten
06-07-10, 01:35 PM
There really isn't anything that rules out that Jimi in a state of high and drunkness take x amount of sleeping pills (maybe in several steps being unable to fall asleep), goes unconcious and chokes on his vomit.
In ever which way Monika reacts afterwards then doesn't change the fact that he is dead..

There is of course also the possibility that it was Monika's vomit he choked on which would explain Monika not getting vomit down her own clothes.. :puke:

manfree
06-07-10, 01:39 PM
I must admit STPLSD does rather confuse me as well. On the one hand a very knowledgeable contributor to this great Forum, but on the other hand someone who disses everyones viewpoint and to me thinks that Jimi was a lazy cunt that got everything he deserved. Although at no time has stplsd ever said this, it`s just the impression I get. With All Due Respect

Sharpstat
06-07-10, 03:22 PM
I must admit STPLSD does rather confuse me as well. On the one hand a very knowledgeable contributor to this great Forum, but on the other hand someone who disses everyones viewpoint and to me thinks that Jimi was a lazy cunt that got everything he deserved. Although at no time has stplsd ever said this, it`s just the impression I get. With All Due Respect




With all due respect, he just needs to learn how to work at his social skills. Just teasing STPLSD.:p I'm also confused by him sometimes. There's always one person on a web site that will have a condescending argumentative attitude amongst others and their opinions on public forums where we don't actually physically get together and sit down to discuss issues face to face in person. I had a good laugh at his reply of trying to explain to me what apnea is according to the definition he looked up and how he's handled drug OD's in his line of work? I'll ask the DHS (dept of health services) to remove Apneic from it's checkbox on the EMS run sheets next time we respond to a person not breathing. Great information and insight obtained from him regarding Jimi stuff but that's all! I hope he's not married, I'd hate to say something wrong in that household? I still love this site warts and all.

univibs
06-07-10, 03:33 PM
No she was most likely asleep herself well after Jimi died. According to her testimony she crashed before he did, she'd been drinking wine and had taken barbs too.
Monica didn't took any barbs and wine, because if she did take barbs at 01:00 - 02:00 AM she could not have waken up at the break of dawn (by Eric Burdon testimony) more likely she will sleep till 11:00 - 12:00 AM
also there was this movie, I think the name was "Hendrix" from 1973 that she said there:" I saw that he was sick,breathing normally but I couldn't get him awake" or something like that. so in other words she admitted she was awake while he was alive and needing help....
on the other hand, she gave so many versions for what have happened that night that I'm not into nothing she said..
in the morning before(the 17'th) they "wake up late"
so what was the 18'th so different from the 17'th ? why she didn't sleep late that morning too ? what have happened that she got up so early at the 18'th ?

wine it's a drink that you drink with company. it's a "romantic drink" most people won't drink wine alone, especially if you going to a hotel room with a chick.
it's like you won't smoke a joint alone if you with few more people. so, again, I don't believe Monica drank the wine,because wine make you sleep deep, what have not happened to her.. my opinion is,someone forced him to drink the wine, was it while he was alive or after he was dead it's hard to tell.



And if it was an accidental death and M woke up with Jimi already being dead,
again,there is a very tiny chance that Monica went to sleep that night:
1.if she drink wine and go to sleep she won't wake up in "early morning" hours to ring Eric
2.if she drink it with barbitors then most likely she head a deep sleep like she said (like she said once that they take it to sleep through the day)
3.if she called Eric very early in the morning then she wasn't stoned nor drunk, maybe sleepy but sharp, she knew who she was calling, she might as well ring anybody else
now, let's get the record straight, most likely she was up all night, if true, then she had few chances to notice that between 01:30AM to 11:17AM Jimi is in troubles/dead.
we know now that she probably wasn't stoned or drunk she actually was very sharp so, here comes the "why" question, why she didn't called the ambulance when it happened? few scenarios are a possibility, maybe she did that on purpose and wanted to kill him because she was very jealous about him(the people from Clark's Muse told to author Tony Brown that she had jealous attack at dinner when the girls rolled him joints)
maybe she was Micheal Jeffry's agent and was instructed by him to kill him that night, there are few possibilities, but all of them leads to one place, back in those days, English Court could accused her in Manslaughter just she waited and waited before calling the ambulance, and because Eric went to the press with the poem saying Jimi commit suicide, and because jimi drowned in a huge amount of wine with hardly any remains of alcohol in his blood and she was with him while it happened, all night!

sometime between 01:30 to 11:17 she called to one or more persons, one of them was Eric Burdon, not that they didn't call the ambulance, Eric in his stupidity went to the media only few hours after the event with Jimi's poem and declared that "Jimi commit suicide" !!! is that the smoking gun or what ?! with a good and simple investigation, English Court would easily accused them both in conspiracy.
the corner said that Jimi was probably been dead since 02:00AM to 03:00AM then Eric and the rest of the boys came not before 06:00AM, Jimi was dead for sometime and they call the ambulance in 11:18!!!! there were sufficient evidence to accused them in Conspiracy if not a Manslaughter !
where Monica "bought" the Cigarettes ?! that is a question didn't answered till this day...
Jimi was a smart man, we know she was a pain in the ass that day, it was started earlier in the Evening when they went to have dinner with fans they have met that day, she shout and scream on him that Evening. and she screamed on him in the intercom when he went to a party late that night.
my opinion was that he went over there only to pick up his beloved guitar, probably she told him that if he won't get down (from the party) she will throw his Guitar or something..
Jimi was fully dressed when found dead, no one goes to sleep with 9 tablets of strong barbs to "sleep through the day" fully dressed !
one another thing we should pay attention to, people drink wine when they are in the mood, not in the middle of an argument I don't think they were in a romantic feeling when they arrived at the hotel after she screamed at him all Evening. when they arrived to the hotel it was sometime around 01:30AM the corner said that he was dead since probably 02:30 to 03:30AM, I don't think that when they came to the hotel they were in the mood to drink wine and it seems not logical that in a period of an hour or maybe an hour and a half he would drink this huge amount of wine with barbs and died. it is more logical that someone ""helped"" him speed up the process.
the paramedics told that when they arrived on scene at 11:27 the room was completely dark. that brings me to the conclusion that the phone call for the ambulance came from somewhere else that is not the Samarkand Hotel. why you ask ? because if someone did that phone call from the hotel room he would need a light to see where is the phone and where his fingers are touching. in 11:18AM London time, where you have plenty of natural light coming from outside the windows you don't need a light bolb and close curtain.. someone left the hotel room very early. who ever was in the hotel room, after he did what he did, went out while it was still dark outside, and that someone left in a hurry..the door was left open. did the police check for fingerprints ?

I think Monica was the key figure but the English police did a terrible work by not doing any work at all. I said it once and I'll say it again, a good inspector would probably find a few criminals related to that criminal act. criminals that some of them are not longer with us today ,but few of them are still walking freely and that is terribly wrong.

Doron
06-07-10, 04:20 PM
this is very deprerssing stuff. I'm sorry I can't read throu it all, it's too much for me so I don't know if somebody mentioned it already but I read somewhere that to suffocate someone with wine, was an old and well known method of the mob.
Exacly in the way jimi was found.

Sharpstat
06-07-10, 04:23 PM
Regarding the authorites doesn't that go back to what STPLSD stated earlier. Race (this is at the time is still 1970) and the status of the person(rock star) became a factor. What better way to get the anti drug message across to young people by standing back and pointing the proverbial "plastic finger" and then saying see what happened to him! Use his death as an example, wouldn't be the first time.

stplsd
06-07-10, 04:50 PM
thinks that Jimi was a lazy cunt that got everything he deserved. Although at no time has stplsd ever said this, it`s just the impression I get. With All Due Respect

That's what you chose to read into it even though it's clearly explained that I don't and there's nothing in it to say he's lazy. Not sure where the c*** fits in?

stplsd
06-07-10, 04:54 PM
Regarding the authorites doesn't that go back to what STPLSD stated earlier. Race (this is at the time is still 1970) and the status of the person(rock star) became a factor.
.

Every official involved said they had no idea who or what he was, until after he had been treated at the hospital. Most people's attitudes and vocabulary had by then changed quite dramatically from the early 60s

MourningStar
06-07-10, 05:36 PM
this is very deprerssing stuff. I'm sorry I can't read throu it all, it's too much for me so ....hey man! don't you know this is the hottest topic on this site???

Sharpstat
06-07-10, 06:44 PM
Every official involved said they had no idea who or what he was, until after he had been treated at the hospital. Most people's attitudes and vocabulary had by then changed quite dramatically from the early 60s


It has changed quite a lot. My now ex GF is from England and her dad (86) thought the world of me even though I'm Black. He did say something considered "racist" once and we all looked at each other with that WTF did he just say look and laughed. Senility and old habits are hard to break! The old British guy being interviewed in the IOW video is a prime example of some people's mentality at that time. Me personally I love England and can't wait to go back again for a visit.

stplsd
06-07-10, 06:54 PM
Monica didn't took any barbs and wine, because if she did take barbs at 01:00 - 02:00 AM she could not have waken up at the break of dawn (by Eric Burdon testimony) more likely she will sleep till 11:00 - 12:00 AM

If you are used to barbs as she was you might not even get 4 hours kip from one.
Burdon's testimony is vague at best. As pointed out by Karsten early morning at that time of year was after 6:00 for Burdon quite possibly later. It's only in an interview with Kathy? that he said it was earlier than he thought before, and I think we all know why that might be;-) He has never come with what actually happened, his memory is very dodgy.


I'm not into nothing she said.
Yeah, she's even dodgier than Eric


wine it's a drink that you drink with company. it's a "romantic drink" most people won't drink wine alone, especially if you going to a hotel room with a chick.

You appear to be a bit of a romantic:-). She could have drunk any amount of anything, she wasn't tested, or questioned. If pissed off, many people will drink anything. Loads of people enjoy drinking wine on their own, and if you're stoned on barbs who's to say what you might do. She strangely said Jimi only drank white wine that night.


she called Eric very early in the morning then she wasn't stoned nor drunk, maybe sleepy but sharp, she knew who she was calling, she might as well ring anybody else

She didn't actually, she apparently was trying to get Alvinia, amazing how quickly a dead body lying in bed can sober you up ;-)


now, let's get the record straight, most likely she was up all night, if true, then she had few chances to notice that between 01:30AM to 11:17AM Jimi is in troubles/dead.

Everyone at the party said Jimi left at/or close to 3:00am
According to Stickells, Terry Slater phoned around 8:00 - 9:00 to say "Jimi was in trouble" at "the hotel" he immediately went to meet him there, but mistakenly went to the Cumberland first because he didn't know about Monika, it appears he got there not much later.
The ambulance was only called at 11:18


Back in those days, English Court could accused her in Manslaughter just she waited and waited before calling the ambulance, and because Eric went to the press with the poem saying Jimi commit suicide, and because Jimi drowned in a huge amount of wine with hardly any remains of alcohol in his blood and she was with him while it happened, all night!

Charged with manslaughter? I think that's just wishful thinking, that would never happen "There is no general duty to assist those in distress in UK law, and so unless the prosecution can successfully argue that Miguel had a special relationship with Angelo from which a duty might arise, or had voluntarily assumed responsibility for him, in my opinion it would be difficult to construct a prosecution based in gross negligence manslaughter."

http://www.law-essays-uk.com/coursework/angelos-manslaughter.php

The amount of wine has been progressively exaggerated in a gore fest by the strange & unreliable, publicity seeking Bannister, it doesn't tie in with Siefert and the ambulance mens recollections, there's no mention of any quantity of wine in his stomach in the autopsy.


with a good and simple investigation, English Court would easily accused them both in conspiracy.
the corner said that Jimi was probably been dead since 02:00AM to 03:00AM then Eric and the rest of the boys came not before 06:00AM, Jimi was dead for sometime and they call the ambulance in 11:18!!!! there were sufficient evidence to accused them in Conspiracy if not a Manslaughter !

Alvinia & Eric quite probably arrived 1st around 7:00 then Terry Slater about 8:00 & then Gerry & Eric Barrett etc. about 9:00. They all could just as easily have arrived an hour or two later by some estimates, it's all a bit vague (estimates appear to be getting earlier as the years go by;-) However it's still well before the ambulance was called, they all left before the ambulance got there, and then returned at some point after it left. The wine all over him could possibly have been from attempts to resucitate him?

Conspiracy? conspiracy to what?
The law didn't & still don't think so.


where Monica "bought" the Cigarettes ?! that is a question didn't answered till this day...

Portobello Rd. (lot's of small shops there still.) That is if she did buy cigs.


Jimi was a smart man,
Smarts don't equal wise behaviour/no risk taking


we know she was a pain in the ass that day, it was started earlier in the Evening when they went to have dinner with fans they have met that day, she shout and scream on him that Evening. and she screamed on him in the intercom when he went to a party late that night.
my opinion was that he went over there only to pick up his beloved guitar, probably she told him that if he won't get down (from the party) she will throw his Guitar or something..

Quite a likely scenario and has been pointed out before. Her possibly threatening his guitar with damage is a new idea, I think.


Jimi was fully dressed when found dead, no one goes to sleep with 9 tablets of strong barbs to "sleep through the day" fully dressed !

Loads of folk crash out fully dressed, especially if you don't want to get close top someone who has pissed you off. "sleep through the day" is another of Monika's quotes?


the windows you don't need a light bolb and close curtain..
curtains could have been opened by Monika as she said and then closed by "the boys" as they got up to whatever they did


did the police check for fingerprints ?
They only do that if they think they really need to. What would finger prints tell them?


I think Monica was the key figure but the English police did a terrible work by not doing any work at all. I said it once and I'll say it again, a good inspector would probably find a few criminals related to that criminal act.

Do we know what the police discussed? It unfortunately doesn't appear so [Freedom of information act - anyone?]. It appears there was nothing at the scene, or in the coroner's report to make them think anything sinister had happened.

stplsd
06-07-10, 07:06 PM
Senility and old habits are hard to break! The old British guy being interviewed in the IOW video is a prime example of some people's mentality at that time.

He's f'kin hilarious, obviously jealous "fucking in the bushes", always makes me laugh, I bet that's his wife with the headband on, getting her own back, eyeing up all the boys "All are welcome, I love them, fun..."

stplsd
06-07-10, 07:27 PM
I had a good laugh at his reply of trying to explain to me what apnea is according to the definition he looked up and how he's handled drug OD's in his line of work?

I was pointing out the common definition of apnea, we're not all up on current medical jargon;-)

Enlighten me please if you disagree significantly with my lay observation on OD's, I am interested and it is pertinent. Not handled OD's on first call, but worked in a dialysis unit with patients who have OD'd, including someone I was in company with the night prior. My mother has been a nurse (and later a specialist sister for many years) all her working life until she took "early" retirement due to Thatcher's disgusting attempt to turn the health service into a market place (like the US)

ilovejimi
06-07-10, 07:42 PM
hey man! don't you know this is the hottest topic on this site???
lol :)

MourningStar
06-07-10, 07:53 PM
hey man! don't you know this is the hottest topic on this site???lol :):(

stplsd
06-07-10, 08:35 PM
There is of course also the possibility that it was Monika's vomit he choked on which would explain Monika not getting vomit down her own clothes.. :puke:
Ha-ha-ha - Brilliant

To quote Churchill it appears to be a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

stplsd
06-08-10, 04:10 AM
What better way to get the anti drug message across to young people by standing back and pointing the proverbial "plastic finger" and then saying see what happened to him! Use his death as an example, wouldn't be the first time.

Can't think of an earlier one, not a very good message for their campaign really ie 'don't take too many sleeping pills'. What the 'war on drugs' at the time were (bizarrely) really concerned about was cannabis & lsd, while there were oceans of uppers, downers, & sideways pills prescribed willy-nilly at the time (see 'Mother's Little Helper' - Rolling Stones) and readily available for peanuts, hardly anybody in authority (apart from the Stones)at the time was that concerned

stplsd
06-08-10, 05:22 AM
Okay, this is interesting. Jimi died of taking nine sleeping pills, but can someone with knowledge tell me where these nine pills are found in the autopsy report?

the 9 pills is just from Monika's (unquestioned) testimony, the autopsy report doesn't appear to comment on the amount of pills, it seems the amount of barbs in him were about consistant with her figure.


A subsequent rescue attempt, lavishly applied with red wine by Monika, could have.

Why would anyone attempt to rescue an unconcious person who had stopped breathing by attempting to pour wine into them? that would be extremely weird. The idea that someone might try this is itself pretty weird.


His blood "Ethanol was at not more than 5 mgs percent. Extractions revealed a mixture of barbiturates consistent with those from Vesperax. The amount calculated as quinalbarbitone is 0.7 mgs percent." There was also 1.3 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his blood and 3.9 mg 100 ml of Seconal in his liver. His liver extractions also revealed properties consistent with those of brallobarbitone. Quinalbarbitone in the blood was at 3.9 mgs percent. The search for toxic drugs failed to reveal any hydroxyethyl hydroxyzine dimaleate. A mysterious compound was isolated, which they said "might be a metabolite," and was found not only in the liver but in the urine as well, where there was a 46 mgs level of alcohol. It was thought "the blood-alcohol level was probably at 100 mgs at the time when he took the Vesperax." There was also brallobarbitone and amphetamine "easily detectable" in the urine.

Strange don't you think that one drug 'secobarbitol sodium' has apparently been separated into two separate drugs under their brand names "Seconal" (US) & "Quinalbarbitone" (UK) in the report?


I believe you argue that Jimi's dead was an accident. But how then do you explain all the inconsistencies?

All we have is the authorities conclusions (anyone actually seen the documents quoted (obviously not the few ones reproduced) in The Final Days? apart from Tony Brown? The autopsy would be of particular interest as it appears to be strangely inconsistant (viz on the barbs.) and the quotes of those present to go on, no one's time estimates are exact (not surprisingly, given their lifestyle at the time, and the panic, later self promoting attempts to look like they were on the scene early?) hence the inconsistences, no one at the time thought anything suspicious occurred, apart from a possible suicide. No one will ever know any more unless those still surviving can still remember and become willing to fill in the details, , or a police report turns up, (Freedom of information act?) unlikely. Barrett has never talked at all about it, Stickells looked & sounded as if he'd suffered a stroke (possibly drunk?) prior to his last interview so it's not looking good. Monika by her lies and pathetic attempts to promote herself can look very suspicious in retrospect, but the lies really just look like desperate attempts to make her and Jimi's relationship more than it was. She could of course have been a psychopath, nobody seems to have bothered interviewing her friends in Germany - Baron von whasisname etc. or anyone else about her character.

Here's other inconsistanies: why in the autopsy was one lung filled with 400ml of fluid (unspecified, was it mostly wine? with a lot of other fluids or a mix) and the other aparently almost empty. No mention of wine in the stomach either. Terry Slater is a strange one, he's only ever mentioned in connection with Jimi in an interview with him where he says he visited Jimi & Monika the day prior, and Gerry says it was Terry that gave him the news the next morning between 8 & 9. Is he the dodgy looking London bloke in a denim cut off interviewed in The Last 24 hrs?

ranasakawa
06-08-10, 05:25 AM
There really isn't anything that rules out that Jimi in a state of high and drunkness take x amount of sleeping pills (maybe in several steps being unable to fall asleep), goes unconcious and chokes on his vomit.
In ever which way Monika reacts afterwards then doesn't change the fact that he is dead..

There is of course also the possibility that it was Monika's vomit he choked on which would explain Monika not getting vomit down her own clothes.. :puke:


It's been my opinion Monika was covering up something about Jimi's last night. She contributed to the death of Jimi from all the books etc I have read she is the missing link to the puzzle, however she's dead too now.

stplsd
06-08-10, 06:27 AM
It's been my opinion Monika was covering up something about Jimi's last night. She contributed to the death of Jimi

I don't think you'll find many contesting that observation, given the ambulance, her lies etc. They were, (according to her) after all, her pills, even. Did the police check the pills, the amount of pills, empty packet etc., whether they were hers, the brand name?



from all the books etc I have read she is the missing link to the puzzle, however she's dead too now.

There are others still alive who claim/or it has been stated were there that morning who might still shed more light on the time before the ambulance arrived: Eric Burdon, Alvinia Bridges, Terry Slater, Gerry Stickells, Eric Barrett. They all appear to be hiding something

Terry 'The Pill' Slater it seems was a Burdon roady from at least 1968

dino77
06-08-10, 11:56 AM
It's very strange that two brands names and not the substance secobarbital are mentioned in the report. Unless the two brands were different in their chemical make-up, how could they differentiate between the same substance? Is Tony Brown's source the real autopsy report?

univibs
06-08-10, 03:48 PM
The wine all over him could possibly have been from attempts to resucitate him? do you ask or make assumption ?
I don't know, can someone ask Eric, Alvinia ?.. almost forgot, they have a conspiracy not to talked about it with anyone :-) if not, how do you explain that NON of them are willing to talk about it for the last 40 years ?! I know you with me on that one but you won't admit it ;-)


Conspiracy? conspiracy to what?
The law didn't & still don't think soconspiracy to hide evidence... conspiracy to make some kind of crime if not a murder...





Loads of folk crash out fully dressed, especially if you don't want to get close top someone who has pissed you off. "sleep through the day" is another of Monika's quotes?

Jimi had his guitar, so why he didn't walked out ? he had his chance, he couldn't stand the sight of her at that period of time - fully dressed - maybe something/someone didn't let him leave..?

"sleep through the day" was one of Monica
quotes. I think from the movie "Hendrix"




does the barbs that jimi took contains Propoxyphene ?
if yes, Propoxyphene has a tremendous effect on the breathing center of the brain. Propoxyphene might cause Apnea. alcohol will push harder the Propoxyphene and the combination of the two probably would cause Apnea.
that's another assumption of what might have happened that night.
now this days, pills that contains Propoxyphene won't be allowed with Alcohol.





Monica's Husbend is still alive? maybe he knows something...

purple jim
06-08-10, 04:37 PM
We musn't overlook what Danneman said about the Sleeping tablets and the wine:

September 28, 1970
"I had forty Vesperax sleeping pills at the flat. There were nine missing, I think he knew exactly what he could take in the way of sleeping tablets."
Yes, she said that just after Jimi's death, as if Jimi had taken them of his own free will. Makes it sound like Jimi's own mistake.

Then there is this crucial account of what she said to Kathy Etchingham in the early 80s (from Kathy's book, chapter 11):
"She told us how Jimi had been having trouble sleeping…and how she gave him some of her German sleeping tablets (Vesparex). When they didn't work she gave him some more because "they were very weak". She said she thought he had taken about nine tablets in all"
We know that the tablets were extremely strong! They were her tablets.

"Sharon Lawrence confronted Danneman about the wine and she broke down admitting that she had giving him wine while choking." - from an earlier post here (could someone type that up as it appears in the book please?).

stplsd
06-08-10, 05:40 PM
We musn't overlook what Danneman said about the Sleeping tablets and the wine:

I think he knew exactly what he could take in the way of sleeping tablets."
Yes, she said that just after Jimi's death, as if Jimi had taken them of his own free will. Makes it sound like Jimi's own mistake.

It more strongly gives the impression that he knowingly took a suicidal dose and that it was not a "mistake". Not that she was neccesarily intending that;-) English not being her 1st language.



Then there is this crucial account of what she said to Kathy Etchingham in the early 80s (from Kathy's book, chapter 11):
Kathy hated her guts, it's only her word, so this is hardly reliable, nevermind crucial,


"Sharon Lawrence confronted Danneman about the wine and she broke down admitting that she had giving him wine while choking." - from an earlier post here (could someone type that up as it appears in the book please?).

She's unreliable at best.

stplsd
06-08-10, 06:08 PM
do you ask or make assumption ?
Neither, it's a proposition


how do you explain that NON of them are willing to talk about it for the last 40 years ?! I know you with me on that one but you won't admit it ;-)

Nothing to admit, it's obvious, I've not denied that something went on. Of course I think they all have something to hide, it's a question of what though. Their possibly premature assumption that Jimi was dead, when he might have been saveable? Not calling an ambulance immediately? possibly, that is if their time estimates are correct;-)


conspiracy to hide evidence... conspiracy to make some kind of crime if not a murder...

There has to be proof a crime took place, or was intended, before you can charge someone with conspiracy. The police & coroner didn't think a crime took place, neither did anyone else at the time. Nobody has ever pressed charges


Jimi had his guitar, so why he didn't walked out ?
There could be any number of mundane reasons, such as he was too tired, couldn't be bothered, the fastest way out of anywhere is to get wrecked etc


does the barbs that jimi took contains Propoxyphene ?
No


Monica's Husbend is still alive? maybe he knows something...

He's not talking either

stplsd
06-08-10, 06:12 PM
It's very strange that two brands names and not the substance secobarbital are mentioned in the report. Unless the two brands were different in their chemical make-up, how could they differentiate between the same substance? Is Tony Brown's source the real autopsy report?

If their make up was different would that not make it a different drug, ie not secobarbital?
I'm more wondering how accurate his copying is? Although a great source his work is very sloppy

Just found this, VERY interesting:

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Sticht G, Käferstein H.<o:p></o:p>
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Concentrations of brallobarbital and secobarbital in 10 cases of acute Vesparax-intoxications are listed for blood, brain, liver, kidney, and muscle. Quantitative determinations in brain give information as to the time of acute poisoning. Muscle is a suitable organ to determine the resorbed quantity of the drug. As few as 10 Vesparax-tablets are enough to produce lethal poisonings."<o:p></o:p>
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7415572

So if someone had built up a tolerance/was not one of the "few" even 10 or more were not neccessarily enough to kill you. ie nine on their own were unlikely to cause death in anyone, not such a crazy dose, and we only have Monika's word that he took that many, it could have been less. The autopsy doesn't say that the dose itself would have been fatal, and don't forget he had earlier taken some speed ("black bomber" ie durophet).

ilovejimi
06-08-10, 07:38 PM
Monika's Death:
In 1996 Dannemann was convicted of breaking a British High Court order not to repeat allegations that Kathy Etchingham was an "inveterate liar" for accusing her of playing a role in Hendrix's death. Etchingham asked the judge to jail Dannemann but she was released. Two days later Dannemann was found dead in a fume-filled Mercedes-Benz (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz) near her cottage in Seaford (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Seaford,_East_Sussex), East Sussex (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/East_Sussex), aged 50. Her death was ruled a suicide (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Suicide),<SUP id=cite_ref-0 class=reference>[1] (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#cite_note-0)</SUP> though Uli Jon Roth suggested that foul play may have been involved, as Dannemann had received numerous death threats following Hendrix's death.
It is rumoured that Hendrix's black Stratocaster is now kept in storage by Roth. But no one knows for sure where it is hidden. :mad:

stplsd
06-08-10, 09:41 PM
Monika's Death:
In 1996 Dannemann was convicted of breaking a British High Court order not to repeat allegations that Kathy Etchingham was an "inveterate liar"

Yes


for accusing her of playing a role in Hendrix's death.

No, this bit is a misleading distortion in wiki. It was just for repeating the claim that Kathy was a liar.
It is true that Kathy had basically accused Dannemann of being tardy in calling the ambulance and of lying about the details of what happened on that day, and that that was what prompted Danneman to repeat her claim that Kathy was a liar. But that was not what the case was about. Using the word "role" makes it appear she may have been accused of something more heinous.

stplsd
06-08-10, 10:46 PM
Much of the shady reputation [of flyposting] goes back to the mid-1990s when the shooting of a flyposter in Manchester and a machete attack on another in London raised the spectre of turf wars between rival gangs. It didn't help that the largest flyposting company at the time was run by a character called Terry 'The Pill' Slater, even though his nickname came from nothing more sinister than his habit of popping vitamins. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:date Month="6" Day="1" Year="2007">Friday 1st June 2007</st1:date> : New York/Philadelphia : We borrowed the crews busses to take us to Philly […] I got to find out a bit more about AFL's [Andy Lowe] amazing experiences in music. His group Amen Corner had run ins with some of the most notorius managers in the business including Andrew Loog Oldham, Don Arden and Terry 'The Pill' Slater. AFL has a great book in him if he ever wishes to write it.

<o:p>Fred [Row] was, amongst other things, Ian Drury’s minder back in the heady days of Stiff’s glory years. Indeed the opening shot of the movie that we had come to see, featured Fred and Ian walking down a Camden street. Fred also used to be partly in control of the poster cartel back in the 80’s.
This was illegal, of course. It didn’t stop record companies paying vast sums to have large bill posters of their featured artist’s plastered all over London. The operations were run by very colourful individuals. North of the river was the domain of the wonderfully named ‘Terry the Pill’. South of the river belonged to Fred. Woe betide anyone who tried to muscle in on their patch.

You’re Tubby Stan are you? You control all the posters all over the country except for London? Well I’ve got to tell you it’s all over for you!
Did he object to this?
No, he just folded up and went away. Very strange. Terry the Pill, the guy that controls London, obviously comes from the same era as Tosh. The Pill was a dead giveaway.
Did the poster wars get quite heavy?
That was all later, after I was out of it. The heaviness came in the early eighties, when Tosh really wasn’t arsed with it, let it dissipate, and Farles and another guy ended up squabbling over it.
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dino77
06-09-10, 12:27 AM
If their make up was different would that not make it a different drug, ie not secobarbital?
I'm more wondering how accurate his copying is? Although a great source his work is very sloppy



Off course. It looks like Brown has pasted two different second-hand sources (ie not the actual autopsy report) together (one American and one British?).

purple jim
06-09-10, 12:39 AM
It more strongly gives the impression that he knowingly took a suicidal dose and that it was not a "mistake".

Complicated. Did Jimi understand their potency? It's not clear. Then there is that Buzzy Linheart account about Jimi phoning his doctor from Danneman's flat for recommendations about what to take.


Kathy hated her guts, it's only her word, so this is hardly reliable, nevermind crucial,

It's not just Kathy's word, Mitch and Noel were there at time Danneaman recounted all that about how she gave Jimi two doses of tablets (pluriel).


She's unreliable at best.
Too many "unreliable" participants here: Danneaman, Burdon, Bannister,…

dino77
06-09-10, 12:42 AM
http://a-ha.com/the-band/the-story-so-far/chapters/chapter-11/

Terry Slater.

Ezy Rider
06-09-10, 01:27 AM
WHY TAKE 5 HOURS TO CALL AN AMBULANCE?
An Interview with Kathy Etchingham


by Michael Fairchild






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Kathy Etchingham was introduced to Jimi Hendrix in London's Scotch of St. James Club on the evening of Jimi's very first day in England (Sept. 24, 1966). Their mutual attraction was immediate, inspiring one of the longest and most involved love affairs of Jimi's life. "My girl friend," he said of Kathy in 1969, "my past girlfriend and probably my next girlfriend. My mother and sister and all that bit. My Yoko Ono from Chester."

Ironically, it was Kathy, along with Dee Mitchell (wife of Mitch), who spearheaded the research which has shocked us all.

More than two decades later, the tireless efforts of these Hendrix heroines have finally shed crucial light onto tthe most painful and disturbing aspect of Jimi's life - his final hours.

MF: The segment of the Albert Hall film where you and Jimi are in Handel's House sitting on the bed while he plays Hounddog on acoustic guitar, when was that filmed?


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KE: Somewhere on the tape he's talking about one of the concerts at the Albert Hall. so it was either between tthe 18th and the 24th or after the 24th. It was during the week, I think it was afterwards, yes it was after.

MF: Who was the guy sitting next to Jimi and the girl next to you?

KE: He was the guy who made the film. Gold & Goldstein. and that was Gold's wife sitting at the end of the |bed. She was either the wife of Steve Gold or Jerry Goldstein, I can't remember which.

MF: What do you remember about that night?

KE: Well, only that there was a knock on the door and I went downstairs to open the door and this bloody great big microphone just came shoving through and the spot lights came on and I thought, "What the hell's going on?" Jimi hadn't mentioned it to me at all.

MF: What were you two doing when they came?

KE: We were just hanging around, we were having a joint, oh well, you know. It wasn't very late, it was early evening that they turned up. There's much more to that film than the bit we've got. They filmed for a long, long time. But apparently a lot of it was wasted on the cutting room floor. I don't know. I can't remember the exact sequence leading up to it, but I know that Gold tried to get me to get Jimi to come down stairs because they wanted to catch him in the street, but he wouldn't go (laughs). He said, "No, what for?"

MF: Was that Jimi's acoustic guitar?

KE: Yeah. that's Jimi's guitar. I think they said, well let's play something, or she said, "Let's play" or whatever, I mean, as you can see, I had a joint in my hand.

MF: I thought it was a cigarette.

KE: No, it was a joint (laughs). English ones are much bigger. That's what I was passing around (laughs).

MF: Maybe that's why Jimi forgot the words (laughs).

KE: That's right, but that girl took it and then handed it straight back, she couldn't deal with an English one, did you notice that in the film? And then Jimi's leaning across the bed and he lights somebody's cigarette, right? That's my cigarette that he's lighting. I can hear my own voice and I remember it anyways.

MF: Around this time, late February 1969, Monika Dannamann says that she was seeing Jimi in London, which I'm sure must have come as a surprise to you. Have you gone on record yet with any details regarding your research of Jimi's last night, when he was with Monika?

KE: No, but did you see the article in Rock World? Well, that's as far as it's got, and I haven't spoken to anyone. I don't speak to anybody about it. I mean, the file is still lodged with the Attorney General, because although (Ken Voss) has written that they refused to re-open the case, we still have a nght of appeal through the Attorney General to have a re-opening of the inquest, every person has that right and that's what we're doing, so it's not a closed book by any stretch of the imagination. That's the only thine I can say on that point.

MF: Do you have any idea how long it's going to take?

KE: Well, these things move notoriously slowly, as you well know, it's the same in America too, these son of things go very, very slowly. It could take up to a year or eighteen months for them to make a decision. It's quite an ordeal, you know.

MF: Monika has raised some questions about the validity of the people claiming to be the ambulance attendants who found Jimi that morning.

KE: Well, would the London Ambulance Service make a statement (Jan. 3, 1992 letter) like that? Why would they want to protect two non-existant guys? I am sure they were telling the truth. Their stories were so similar yet they hadn't seen each other for about twenty years. The important point though is about the report we got about the stomach contents.

MF: You're talking about the original coroner's report?

KE: We had it re-analyzed.

MF: The rice grains present in Jimi's stomach indicate he died very early in the morning.

KE: It's from the Director of Forensic Medicine at one of our leading hospital, and he studied under professor Teare (forensic scientist who presented original autopsy report) and he's re-analyzed the findings, they've got new technology now, him and another guy who's the Consultant Toxicologist, and between them they came up with the scenario that he had to have died within three hours of eating that rice. So that's the clincher, isn't it? Because he ate the rice before 3 a.m.

MF: There needs to be a new inquest where all parties involved can be thoroughly cross examined against one another.

KE: Well that's what we're trying for. It's bloody hard work. You can't argue with an expert. What's she going to do, say that Dr. Rufus Crompton doesn't exist? That he's not the Director of Forensic Medicine at St. George's Hospital? I mean, after reading this (report) what would you think? It seems there was about five hours between the time of death and the ambulance being called.

MF: What was going on in that five hours?

continues...

http://www.rockprophecy.com/whytake5hrs.html





An Interview with Kathy Etchingham


by Michael Fairchild - page 2 of 2




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KE: It's very confused. We'll never find out what happened because I don't think she can tell us. Maybe she wasn't there and when she came back she found him dead. Terry Slater told me that Jimi was lying on the bed dead while they were cleaning the place up. All we know is what she told us, but the story that she told us doesn't make sense when you compare it with all the other evidence.
MF: Sometimes, in the mind's eye, people recall bad events a certain way that allows them to deal with it.

KE: There's a condition called post-truamadc shock syndrome, where people who have seen a really nasty accident, say a plane crash or something, they can see the crash, but they can't see the mangled bodies, the mind blocks it out and some gets into sort of cold storage, as it were, and only hypnosis will bring it out. She said to Tony Brown, "Well, if I find these ambulance men. I shall ask them to be hypnotized." So she knows about that too, see. Somebody might have said to her at some stage, her doctor possibly said, look, why don't you go through hypnosis and try and find out what happened that morning. Because she may not know what happened that morning. Maybe she was completely zonked out of it as well. Eric Burden said to me, "I think I called the ambulance."

Now, the other thing - apart from the forensic evidence, which you cannot argue with, because they're the experts - one of the other clinchers is, how come Gerry Stickles himself says that he was phoned early, 8 to 9 o'clock, by Terry Slater? Now, work that one out. Mitch Mitchell and Gerry Stickles say that they were called early. And Eric Burdon said that he got the phone call from Monika at the first light of dawn.

Gerry Stickles told Harry Shapiro that he went first to the Cumberland Hotel because he got a phone call from Terry Slater and Terry Slater said look, you better get over here, Jimi's in big trouble. And he went straight to the Cumberland Hotel thinking Jimi was in trouble at the Hotel and been busted. Gerry Stickles said that he thought that "the hotel" was Jimi's hotel; the Cumberland. He knew nothing of the Samarkand Hotel. Gerry Stickles said it was early - 8 to 9 o'clock - no later. Now, Terry Slater told me it was early. Eric Burdon told me it was early. Mitch Mitchell told me it was early. Gerry Stickles has said it was early. I'm sorry, I have to believe four separate people who said it was early.

MF: And the pathologist report supports what they're saying.

KE: Absolutely, completely dovetails right in there and said that he must have been dead by 5:30 a.m. at the latest. The doctors knew when he got to the hospital that he was dead, that was obvious. But the very fact that Dr. Bannister wrote that letter from Australia, quite independently, nobody interviewed him, he just saw the book ("Electric Gypsy") in a bookshop, read it, and wrote a letter of protest. And it completely dovetails with what Dr. Seifert has said, and they'd never seen each other since that day, dovetails with what the ambulancemen have said, and they'd never even met them (the doctors).

MF: What happened in all those hours?

KE: This is it, you see, we'll never find out, and that's the frustrating thing. She'll keep putting her own story forward, she'll never give up. Eric Burdon said to me, "She will never, ever give up trying to prove that she was his fiance," when in fact she wasn't. She was a one night stand in Germany, and a one night stand in London, or two nights at the most. She's not even trying to claim any more that she saw him in (February and March) 1969, not through her lawyers to my lawyers anyway. They met one night in Dusseldorf (Jan. 12,1969), and that was it (until 1970), because we've got Jimi on film the following night (Cologne Jan. 13, 1969) with somebody else.

MF: Nobody can place her in London during February and March 1969?

KE: No! Nobody can place her, and when she's been asked for her passport, which would have been stamped in those days because it was before the EEC, she said, "Well, I don't know where this is now " I've got mine So much of her story seems made up. Like the claim that she walked into the Speakeasy and that I was there' around near the bar when they went into the restaurant, which is a different pan of the nightclub. Now that could not have happened, because I had an account, which I shared with Jimi, we both could sign on the same account, and the account - the restaurant was run by different people to the club - so if I wanted to have a drink I would have to be in the restaurant to sign for it, do you understand? So I would never have been sitting around the bar. It was only groupies who sat at the bar. I would have been in the restaurant, because that's where we always went, that's where I held my account, that's where I was. I mean, it never happened, and it's bloody insulting. One of the things said in those manuscript drafts that bear her name, but which she now denies ever writing, is that Jimi told her, "I've got to go to Heathrow Airport to pick up my equipment at midnight. Heathrow Airport closes down at 11 o'clock, always has done and there's no way that you can pick up anything after 11 o'clock. Nobody ever went down to the Speakeasy before midnight, see what I rnean-^ It wouldn't have been in mid-evening or anything like that. because we never went down there till very, very late - twelve, one o'clock. See? We'd go somewhere else in the evenings, and she's related nothing about going anywhere else in the evening. See, it's little mistakes like that.

MF: It seems that either her memory is very poor, or she's fictionalizing a lot.

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KE: She must be fictionalizing, because the thing was that Jimi didn't go to restaurants, see that's another thing Look, when you live with someone, you know what they're like, and it's quite clear to me that she didn't know him very well, not like I knew him. Reading her descriptions of him. it becomes clear as a bell that this woman did not know Jimi Hendnx well at all, because he was a completely different character to the one she has portrayed. I did this interview for Q magazine (June 1992) and I said that Jimi had lots of girlfriends and it wasn't a particularly attractive part of his character. Then I turn the page and I see Monika Dannamann say "It is not true that he had many girlfriends." I mean, rubbish! Are we to ignore the photographic evidence? Her story would never stand up in a British court, nor in an American one, I don't think. I know of no pictures of her with Jimi at all, apart from when they met, and it was just like a fan pose, if you look at it. And it's been cut down and supplied it to everybody so it looks as if it's just the two of them. But the full photograph has all these other people as well.

Mind you, I don't know an awful lot of the photographic technicalities, but I certainly was there and there's enough evidence to show that I was, and there's enough people in the business that will say so. But nobody in the business knew Monika Dannemann.

MF: What about the post card that Jimi sent to her family?


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KE. Only one! And he wrote it like he would write to a fan, and that was only on the 17th, the day before he died, and the way that he wrote on that card - "Hi. remember me?" you know, it means that he hadn't seen (Monika s brother) since they met at the hotel the previous year. And it was very formal for Jimi, hardly the sort of words that you would write to somebody that you knew very well, or a member of the family. No, the whole thing comes across like a complete set-up. History has been altered and everybody's fallen for it, because nobody s spoken up before. All the people over here know that. Her story's been worked on for twenty-two years You can make up all kinds of fantasy over twenty-two years. I mean the fact is that her story now completely contradicts what has circulated in the manuscript drafts which she allegedly wrote, or which have been attributed to her since 1973! As far as I know, the only public statement she's made recently is that she's the fiance of Jimi Hendrix, and then sort of passing this letter around from Al Hendrix (In 1991 Monika visited Al and asked him to sign a statement acknowledging Monika as Jimi's intended bride.) In none of those manuscript drafts is it claimed that she was his fiance. But now she is formally engaged, and denies having written those manuscripts, see?

A letter has suddenly surfaced which she says is Jimi's declaration of committment to her and she's now showing it to people after all these years. What a crazy thing to do, when she's written something in the region of six manuscripts. Look, if she's got absolute proof of her position, wouldn't she have used that in the very first instance?

MF: Could she have just put that letter together herself? Could it be a cut and paste job?

KE: Well, you can draw your own conclusions. I think she's been buying a lot of his handwritten stuff at auction. Until I can see the original letter, and not just a photocopy, I will remain skeptical.





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Death of Hendrix: How I Sparked the Scotland Yard Probe (http://www.rockprophecy.com/hendrixdeath.html)




The Etchingham/Mitchell Files (http://www.rockprophecy.com/etchinghammitchell.html)




Christians In Rome (http://www.rockprophecy.com/christiansinrome.html)




THE LAST 24 SECONDS - 2 Hr. Movie - See How Jimi Was Rilly Killed (http://www.rockprophecy.com/24seconds.html)




2007: My Movie Says "ROADIE Killed Jimi"
2009: Moguls Flood Media with ROADIE Accusing Jimi's Manager of Murder (http://www.rockprophecy.com/hendrix_death.html)
http://www.rockprophecy.com/images/mj-jh-title.jpg (http://www.rockprophecy.com/hendrix_death.html)
The Martyrdom of Mike Jeffery -
How Moguls Seed the Web to Affect Perceptions of Rock Prophecy (http://www.rockprophecy.com/hendrix_death.html)



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[NOTE: A research thief called Mr. Rob(ber)y has appeard in a British documentary (http://www.rockprophecy.com/24seconds.html) which credits him for the work Michael Fairchild did with Kathy Etchingham and Dee Mitchell about Jimi's death.

http://www.rockprophecy.com/whytake5hrs2.html

Ezy Rider
06-09-10, 01:33 AM
[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm)

After Fehmarn Island pop festival
While in London, after the aborted European tour, Jimi had checked into the Cumberland Hotel but unknown to his management and touring party, he was also using his girlfriend Monika Danneman's rented Samarkand Hotel appartment as a place to crash, in between visiting friends around London. He had no baggage there, only the clothes he wore and guitars including his favourite "Black Beauty" Strat. Jimi in fact often used his many girlfriend's places to escape from the pressure of fans or even his own entourage and management.
Jimi had met Danneaman in January 1969 while in Dusseldorf and had renewed contact with her on his return to Europe for the 1970 tour. Various reports state that Jimi had proposed marriage to two or three girls around this time, Danneman being one of them, or so she claimed. She seemed to have become totally infatuated with him.

The visit to Phillip Harvey's appartment
Phillip Harvey, the son of the late British politician Lord Harvey of Prestbury and member of the Parliament for the Conservative party, wrote a detailed affidavit describing several hours he and two female friends spent with Hendrix and Dannemann, on September 17, 1970, the day before Hendrix died. The affidavit, which emerged in 1995 after the death of Harvey's father, stated that Phillip Harvey and two female companions, Penny Ravenhill (then 16) and Anne Day (then 19), spent about five hours, from about 5:30pm until 10:40pm with Jimi Hendrix and Monika Dannemann at Phillip Harvey's home on the evening of September 17, 1970, the night before Jimi's death. Harvey's home was at 4, Clarkes Mews, London, just behind the King Edward VI Hospital off Beaumont Street.
Phillip Harvey was driving along in his 1968 Mustang with two young and attractive teenagers in the front seat with him. The girls saw Jimi and waved, and Jimi waved back. They came up next to each other and got to chatting. Harvey invited Jimi to his home for a drink, and Jimi accepted, but first they followed him to the Cumberland Hotel, where Jimi got his messages, and then Jimi, with Monika driving, followed Harvey to his nearby home. Monika parked her sports car in front of Harvey's fashionable town home. Harvey described most of the time spent with Hendrix as "remarkably pleasant" but Dannemann was anti-social and later became violently hostile. The following is an excerpt from Phillip Harvey's affidavit:
"With the exception of Monika who, as the evening progressed, appeared to me to become more and more upset, we had been having a remarkably pleasant evening, happy and interested in each other's company. Then about 10:00pm at a particular moment when Jimi had gone to the downstairs cloakroom, Monika quite suddenly, and for no particular apparent reason, got up and stormed down the four steps leading from the reception room, through the double glass doors, past the door to the cloakroom, down the hall and out of the front door into the mews [presumably a courtyard], shouting as she left, "I'm leaving! I'm leaving now! I've had enough!" Jimi who had obviously heard something quickly came out of the cloakroom and back into the reception room. I explained to him briefly what had happened. He looked at us in a most embarrassed way and raised his eyebrows to the ceiling. He said, "I'd better go and see what's wrong with her." He then followed her out into the mews leaving the front door ajar.
In the kitchen and the hall at the front of the house, I could hear Monika out in the mews shouting at Jimi at the top of her voice, even though the individual words themselves were indistinct. There was even some noise in the reception room at the back of the house. At one point, when Monika's screaming reached a particular prolonged high peak, I went to the front door to see what was happening. I was genuinely concerned that blows might be struck, and I was also worried that the loud screaming might provoke a complaint to the police from the management of the King Edward VI hospital on the other side of the mews directly opposite the house.
Jimi was just standing quietly there in the mews while Monika verbally assaulted him in the most offensive possible way. As I approached them, I remember hearing her shout at him, "You fucking pig!" I interrupted them and suggested that they should come back into the house as I didn't want the police called. Monika simply carried on shouting at Jimi, telling me viciously to mind my own business. She didn't seem to care less that she might be disturbing the neighborhood or, indeed, making a public spectacle of herself. In fact, Clarkes Mews is very quiet, especially at night, and I saw no sign of anybody else in the vicinity. I went back inside the house, leaving the front door open ajar so that they could come back inside the house if they wanted to.
Monika's haranguing of Jimi continued in my best estimation for about half an hour. I went outside one further time to try and cool things down, and to see if anybody else's attention had been attracted to the scene, but Monika's shouting was at such a pitch that I decided not to interfere again. While I did not personally see any blows struck and Jimi, on two occasions I went outside, looked remarkably calm given the viciousness of Monika's language, the violence in her voice and posture would suggest to me that she might well have struck him during the extended scene. I was actually quite worried that Monika might resort to serious physical violence, but Jimi appeared to me to be a fit man and I thought that, on balance, he was probably quite capable of looking after himself, and I had only just met them earlier that day and didn't know any details about their relationship.
At about 10:30pm Jimi came back into the house alone, and walked into the reception room where Penny, Anne and I were still wondering what was going to happen next. He apologized profusely for Monika's behavior and said he was very embarrassed. He said he didn't really know what was wrong with her but she had obviously had too much to drink. He said that Monika refused to come back into the house and that, as he couldn't abandon her, he would have to leave with her. He said that my house at 4 Clarkes Mews was the nicest scene he had found in London and that he would definitely visit us again when he got back from the USA which he thought would be in a few weeks' time…He thanked the two girls and myself for our generous hospitality. I saw him out into the mews and he left with Monika driving the car. Monika was still screaming at Jimi as they left and she did not say a word to me. The time was about 10:40pm."
It was also said that Jimi left with two opened bottles of red wine, presumably for his next rendez-vous at Peter Cameron's appartment.

The visit to Peter Cameron's appartment
Dannemann maintained at the inquest and in statements to the public and to writers and others that after the encounter with Harvey, Anne, and Penny, she and Hendrix went to her hotel suite at the Samarkand. But others maintain that he went on to a party at the home of Peter Cameron very soon after the visit to Harvey's. Jimi did not take Monika in with him presumably because his long standing American girlfriend Devon Wilson was there. Also at the party were Stella and Alan Douglas, Angie Burdon and several others. Dannemann maintains that Jimi asked her to pick him up after a short time, but those at the party indicate that Jimi came, ate Chinese food, hung out, and was cool until sometime later when Dannemann began ringing him on the intercom. He put her off but she persisted by coming back in half an hour. This became a heated thing. Stella got on the intercom and was extremely rude to Monika. This did not put her off. Pretty soon, Angie recalled, guests were hanging out the window yelling at Monika. They cried, "Fuck off" and "Leave him alone," yet Dannemann persisted. Then finally he went to the intercom, mumbled something, and then without saying anything, just got into the elevator and split. "That was around three in the morning by then," according to Angie Burdon. This may have angered Dannemann all the more since Jimi had stayed so long at a party where she was not welcome, and in fact had been ridiculed, insulted, and cursed. After this party, Jimi and Monika went back to the Samarkand Hotel.
To add to the mystery, the Daily Mail was given a very different version of Hendrix's death by a musician who was at the party. "I heard the next day that Jimi had asked for some drugs known as leapers but had been given sleepers instead. It was an understandable mistake, the music was so loud," the source said. "He started to go and people were slapping him, trying to wake him up, but with all those pills inside him it was doing no good. People were trying everything they could think of to get him back, but Jimi was gone. As far as I am aware from people who were there, Jimi died at the party - not in bed at his girlfriend's flat.'"
- This doesn't fit with the account above that Jimi simply left promptly after talking to Monika on the intercom (unless he was out cold while the others were telling Monika to "Fuck off" and came to his senses shortly before he left). I can't really see Devon, Alan Douglas and Stella standing aside while an unconcious (or deceased) Hendrix would be carried out.


The Samarkand Hotel basement appartment
Monika Danneman's accounts of what happenned at her rented basement appartment have been totally discredited over the years (thanks to the declarations that the ambulance crew made in the 90s), so it is not at all clear what went on there.
The only clue to what happened at The Samarkand was recounted by Jimi's friend Buzzy Linhart, who was in New York when he heard of Jimi's death. He went to Electric Lady Studios to find out more and received a phone call:
"I picked up the telephone on the receptionist's desk and it was Dolly Dagger (Devon Wilson) telling me I had to believe her. What she told me was that Jimi had called her the day or so before and told her that he had been up for days. He had talked to his doctor in New York City and the doctor said "You've got to get some sleep" - the doctor said "Do you want me to call in some sleeping pills for you to a doctor I know in London?" Jimi said" No, that's OK, there's Tuinols in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom here." They agreed that Jimi- having a great tolerance to this type of drug -would need to take 3 capsules. But this turned out to be the German Tuinols which were the EQUIVALENT of three a piece, so they turned out to have the potency of 9 capsules."
- This is strange. If we are to take Devon's account as being factual, Jimi's doctor (no idea who that was) gave Jimi the go ahead to take three Tuinals. The doctor perhaps had only Jimi's word that the pills were Tuinals. There is the possibilty that Jimi in fact had German Vesparex in his hand but recognised their contents and simply called them Tuinals (which was the brand name he was familiar with). There is an assumption in the Linhart/Wilson account that 3 Tuinals was the equivalent of 9 Vesparex (which were very strong tablets, the normal dose being only half a tablet). Jimi's doctor would not have "prescribed" such a dose if it was so deadly. So did Jimi take more six more pills after the dose agreed with his doctor had little effect ?
It must be remembered that this whole "9 pills" thing comes only from Danneaman's statement that she had four boxes of 10 pills and that 9 were taken from one box. Danneman had even told Kathy Etchingham (when they first met at Kathy's house in the early 80s) that is was she who gave Jimi "some" of her Vesparex tablets and when they seemed to have no effect, she gave him some more ! She said she thought he had taken "about nine". However, Danneman has since been totally discredited and we can not take anything she said seriously. So the amount of pills and exactly what type of pills were taken, remains unclear. Did the "barbiturates" found in his blood at the hospital represent the equivalent of 3 Tuinals plus the "sleepers" rumoured to have been taken at Cameron's home or 9 Vesparex taken at Danneman's ? A confusing mystery. If Jimi took only 3 tablets, then we are far from a suicide attempt at least.



The Clean up at The Samarkand
Our next clue comes from Eric Burdon who received a call from a panic stricken Danneman early in the morning (between 6 and 6.30 am). She told him that she was unable to wake Jimi and that he had been vomitting where he lay. Burdon (who had jammed with Jimi on the night of the 16th) urged Danneman to call an ambulance. She refused saying that Jimi would be furious at all the upset and that the place was littered with drug paraphanalia. Burdon said he insisted and insisted but she refused to budge, so he decided to speed over to the Smarkand to help clean up. He was not alone in this quest. Also there in the early hours of the 18th were members of Jimi's crew (Gerry Stickels at least) aswell as Terry Slater (a former Animals crew member and then War's road manager).
We don't know if they tried to revive Jimi, simply that they coldly cleaned up the appartment while Jimi lay there. The fact that they did this seems to suggest that to them, Jimi was unquestionnably already dead.
Burdon, from a conversation with Kathy Etchingham in 1991 : "When I arrived there (at the Samarkand), I remember quite clearly the door being open, and I think maybe I got there and he was there and I didn't want to, you know, look at it, you know, I didn't want to look at the mess. We had to be there before. We got the guitars out, we got the drugs out of the place...she [Dannemann] didn't leave in the ambulance, she was with me."
So everybody deserted after finally calling for the ambulance, leaving Jimi's body alone in the appartment.

The ambulance crew
Danneman had always claimed that she was there when the ambulance crew arrived but thanks to research, her story was found to be totally false. In 1997, the renowned Hendrix researcher Tony Brown contacted the two ambulance attendants, Reginal Jones and John Saua, who responded to a call that Hendrix was unable to wake up. The ambulance reached the Samarkand Hotel at 11:27 AM. The following is Reginal Jones's description of what they found, as told to Tony Brown:
"It was horrific, we arrived at the flat, the door was flung open, nobody about, just the body on the bed. We called out for someone, loads of times, so we walked in. We went into the bedroom, it was dark because the curtains were still pulled, I mean the gas fire was on but you couldn't see anything, your eyes had to adjust. He was covered in vomit, there was tons of it all over the pillow, black and brown it was. His airway was completely blocked all the way down, his tongue had fallen back, he was flat on his back you see. The room was dark, we had to pull the curtains. Well we had to get the police, we only had him and an empty flat, so John ran up and radioed, got the aspirator too. We felt his pulse between his shoulders, pinched his earlobe and nose, showed a light in his eyes, but there was no response at all. I knew he was dead as soon as I walked in the room, you get a feel for it, I can't explain it, but you do and I knew he was dead. Once the police arrived which seemed like no time at all, we got him off to the hospital as quick as we could. See we just have to keep working on him and we did, my shirt was wringing wet. 'Cos the ambulances in them days, weren't equipped like they are now, we had them crazy Wadhams [type of ambulance] in them days, awful they was. We took him to St. Mary Abbots. That don't have a casualty ward now but in them days it did. That was our designated hospital for the day. There was a 'bed state' at St. Charles, you found out at the beginning of your shift what your designated hospital was."
The other ambulance attendant, John Saua, gave a version remarkably similar as Reginal Jones's version, although the two men had not spoken since they worked together in September 1970. Jones's regular partner was off that week and Saua filled in. Afterwards, the two men never saw each other again. The following is Saua's version of events, as told to Tony Brown:
"Well I remember we had a hell of a time trying to suck him out (with an aspirator). I mean the vomit was dry, and there was a hell of a lot of it. The aspirators in those days were all right but not like you have today, they couldn't shift that lot. I mean we knew it was hopeless, nothing would have worked. To tell the truth, I thought it was an overdose. It wasn't really my business to diagnose, I just had to keep working. There were no bed clothes on top of him. An ambulance crew by law just has to keep on working on him until we get him to the hospital. There was no pulse, no respiration. We got down to the flat, and there was nobody but the body on the bed. So we had to radio for the police from the ambulance. We couldn't touch anything in the flat. As I say, we knew he was gone, he was on top of the bed dressed, but I didn't recognize him, don't know anybody would have recognized him, his mother wouldn't have recognized him. He was in a pool of vomit, it was everywhere, but we are not doctors, it's our job to keep trying till we get him to the hospital, we can't proclaim him dead…I vaguely remember taking a sample of the vomit in a container, because we didn't know what he had taken. So as soon as the police arrived, we were off. I was in the back with Jimi, Reg drove. When we moved him, the gases were gurgling, you get when someone has died, it wasn't too pleasant. The vomit was all the way down, we couldn't have got an airway down. He was flat on his back, it's a shame he wasn't on his side because he probably would have pulled through."

St. Mary Abbots Hospital
Hendrix's body was brought here at 11.45am on September 18 1970. Dr. John Bannister was the physician (a Surgical Registrar) who worked on Hendrix initially at the St Mary Abbot's Hospital. Shortly afterwards Hendrix was seen by Dr. Martin Seifert, the Medical Registrar on duty that day. In an interview with The Times newspaper, published December 18, 1993, Dr. Bannister made the following statements about the death of Jimi Hendrix:
"Jimi Hendrix had been dead for some time, without a doubt, hours rather than minutes. He didn't have any pulse. The inside of his mouth and mucous membranes were black because he had been dead for some time. He had had no circulation through his tissues at any time immediately prior to coming to hospital…[Red wine] was coming out of his nose and out of his mouth. It was horrific. The whole scene is very vivid, because you don't often see people who have drowned in their own red wine. There was red wine all over him, I think that he was naked but he had something around him&emdash;whether it was a towel or a jumper&emdash;around his neck. That was saturated in red wine. His hair was matted…The medical staff used an 18 inch metal sucker to try to clear Hendrix's airway, but it would just fill up with red wine from the stomach…He was completely cold. I personally think he died long before. He was cold and he was blue. He had all the parameters of somebody who had been dead for some time. We worked on him for about half an hour without any response at all. There was a medical registrar, myself, nursing staff and I think one other doctor. I didn't even know who Jimi Hendrix was. It's tragic that such a bloke died in those circumstances."
Two years later, on September 10, 1995, Dr. Bannister made additional remarks on BBC Radio One's Wink of an Eye. The following is an excerpt:
"[Hendrix] did not have an obstruction of the airways. What he had, was that he had a drowning of the airways. His lungs were completely overcome by fluid. One does a tracheotomy to get better access to the trachea and to the airways. But his problems were below that. The body was cold, there were no signs of circulation and my overall impression was he'd been dead for several hours."
Tony Brown, in Hendrix: The Final Days (1997), correlates the consumption of the wine to the approximate time of death: "It's unlikely that he drank the quantity of red wine found by Dr. Bannister.... Therefore, Jimi must have drunk a large quantity of red wine just prior to his death," suggesting that the quantity of alcohol in his lungs was the direct cause.
The revised time of death, 3-4 am, contradicts the gap in the official record, and so does the revelation that Jimi Hendrix drowned in red wine. While it is common knowledge that Hendrix choked to death, it has only recently come to light that the wine, not the sedatives, was the primary catalyst of death. Hendrix was, the evidence suggests, forced to drink a quantity of wine. The barbiturates, as Brown notes, "seriously inhibited Jimi's normal cough reflex." Unable to cough the wine back up, "it went straight down into his lungs....It is quite possible that he thrashed about for some time, fighting unsuccessfully to gain his breath." It is doubtful that Hendrix would have continued to swallow the wine in "massive" volumes had it begun to fill his lungs. One explanation that explains the forensic evidence is that Jimi Hendrix was restrained, wine forced down his throat until his thrashings ceased. All of this must have taken place quickly, before the alcohol had time to enter his bloodstream. The post mortem report states that the blood alcohol level was not excessive, about 20mg over the legal drinking limit. He died before his stomach absorbed much of the wine. Jimi Hendrix choked to death.
The coroners report stated that the cause of death was inhalation of vomit due to barbiturate intoxication.
___________
In July 2009, reacting to the media buzz created by "Tappy" Wright's declarations, Dr. Bannister made further comments about his attempted ressussitation of Jimi:
"When you are in casualty, one always tries very hard to resuscitate people. There's always a hope. We worked very hard for about half an hour but there was no response at all. It really was an exercise in futility,…Somebody said to me 'You know who that was?. That was Jimi Hendrix' and, of course, I said, 'Who's Jimi Hendrix?'."
Mr Wright's descrïption of what had happened to Hendrix "sounded plausible because of the volume of wine", Mr Bannister said. What struck him most about the unusually tall patient was that he was drenched in alcohol. "The amount of wine that was over him was just extraordinary. Not only was it saturated right through his hair and shirt but his lungs and stomach were absolutely full of wine. I have never seen so much wine. We had a sucker that you put down into his trachea, the entrance to his lungs and to the whole of the back of his throat. We kept sucking him out and it kept surging and surging. He had already vomited up masses of red wine and I would have thought there was half a bottle of wine in his hair. He had really drowned in a massive amount of red wine."

DIZWALTNEY
06-09-10, 01:48 AM
absolute rubbish,
Hendrix wrote a suicide letter, "the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye,untill we meet again"
CASE CLOSED

dino77
06-09-10, 03:45 AM
absolute rubbish,
Hendrix wrote a suicide letter, "the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye,untill we meet again"
CASE CLOSED

Or just a goodbye poem to a German groupie?

stplsd
06-09-10, 04:38 AM
absolute rubbish,
Hendrix wrote a suicide letter, "the story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye,untill we meet again"
CASE CLOSED

Absolute rubbish, this is just your interpretation of the meaning from one isolated line, leaving out the rest of it. It is not a letter, it is clearly poetic written in verses and can quite easily be seen as lyrics. CASE CLOSED

stplsd
06-09-10, 05:00 AM
"It more strongly gives the impression that he knowingly took a suicidal dose and that it was not a "mistake"

I hope you quoted me out of context here by mistake. This edit makes it look as though this was my conclusion and not just my interpretation of the more likely impression her words give.

It is only valid in the complete piece.

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"I think he knew exactly what he could take in the way of sleeping tablets."
Yes, she said that just after Jimi's death, as if Jimi had taken them of his own free will. Makes it sound like Jimi's own mistake.
It more strongly gives the impression that he knowingly took a suicidal dose and that it was not a "mistake". Not that she was neccesarily intending that;-) English not being her 1st language."]]


Complicated.
What's complicated?


Did Jimi understand their potency? It's not clear.
Did you read my above post about the possibly mistaken potency of Vesparax? ie that it's not quite as lethal as is made out.


Then there is that Buzzy Linheart account about Jimi phoning his doctor from Danneman's flat for recommendations about what to take.

Strange how Buzzys stories are completely different from everyone else's don't you think? Even a different drug - Tuinol. Sounds like gossip from the US.


It's not just Kathy's word, Mitch and Noel were there at time Danneaman recounted all that about how she gave Jimi two doses of tablets (pluriel).
Was this not published post-mortem of Dannemann? I'm not disputing that she quite possibly handed him him a pack of the tablets, and that she changed her stories several times surrounding the pills. It had been widley reported that Dannemann gave an interview to a German newspaper a couple of days after Jimi's death, which quotes her as saying that she gave him the pills.
Have not Kathy's memories been clearly shown to be less reliable than she imagines on some details e.g. her going with the band on the Halliday 66 tour? Is it not possible that her memory of the meeting has been conflated with reports she was reading up on at the time? as well as her obvious strong dislike of Dannemann possibly influencing her memory as well.


Too many "unreliable" participants here: Danneaman, Burdon, Bannister,…

It's not clear what you are meaning here, several of your short statements in this post are, by their brevity, unfortunately quite ambiguous.
Are you trying to say that it's very bad that so many of the witnesses have proved unreliable?
Or, that these three are actually reliable witnesses? If so, you must surely be joking. These are just the most obvious, theres a lot more than that, the whole thing is rife with unreliable testimony, people changing times & stories, not being forthcoming with important details etc.
Tony Brown's book is itself a muddle and the autopsy report is looking a bit dodgy.

stplsd
06-09-10, 06:33 AM
[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))To add to the mystery, the Daily Mail was given a very different version of Hendrix's death by a musician who was at the party. "I heard the next day that Jimi had asked [...] As far as I am aware from people who were there, Jimi died at the party - not in bed at his girlfriend's flat.'"

Yeah, right. We were told by "a musician" who was at the party but left before the event that he "was told" the next day by "people who were there" that... woof, woof!


[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))The only clue to what happened at The Samarkand was recounted by Jimi's friend Buzzy Linhart.. Jimi said" No, that's OK, there's Tuinols in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom here." They agreed that Jimi- having a great tolerance to this type of drug -would need to take 3 capsules. But this turned out to be the German Tuinols which were the EQUIVALENT of three a piece, so they turned out to have the potency of 9 capsules."

What a load of tosh. Jimi phoning his doctor in New York to ask if should take three downers or not, geez a break


[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))
"It's unlikely that he drank the quantity of red wine found by Dr. Bannister.... Therefore, Jimi must have drunk a large quantity of red wine just prior to his death," suggesting that the quantity of alcohol in his lungs was the direct cause.

Not to foget that in Bannister's original statement: [when working on him] "...prior to suction there was red wine and gastric contents exuding from his mouth
[note: No mention of it coming out his nose. Ambulance men said his throat was clogged so thickly with dried matter they couldn't get their tube down]
[..] it was obvious that he had drowned in his own gastric contents."
[..] At the time I felt he had either [sic] been on sedative tablets to sleep or otherwise, and that he had imbibed copious amounts of red wine pror to going to sleep, I would suspect that he regurgitated the red wine and drowned.

Drown sounds more sensational than choke, it's normally strictly applied to something that's been submerged in liquid. It's semantics really.


[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))The revised time of death, 3-4 am, contradicts the gap in the official record

Contradicts what gap in the official records?


[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))
and so does the revelation that Jimi Hendrix drowned in red wine.

It's not a revelation that he choked/drowned (whatever) on fluid vomit(unspecified content of vomit) one lung had 400ml in it! The other only had "a little" fluid in it, possibly partially cleared by suction?


[from another website on Jimi's death, http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm (http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm))it has only recently come to light that the wine, not the sedatives, was the primary catalyst of death.

No it hasn't "recently come to light" it's there on the 1970 inquest report that the immediate cause was choking on vomit (ie gastric juices mixed with carrots/wine/soup/water - whatever) ie not the barbs, the barbiturates are below this ie secondary, but he wouldn't have choked if he hadn't had an "overdose" of barbs, he would have woken up, his gag refllex and subsequent coughing would have saved him. It doesn't really matter what the liquid was.

Scrum Drum
06-09-10, 11:59 AM
stplsd said nobody ever mentioned anything about Jimi being murdered at the time and it wasn't until stories changed and conspiracy theories snowballed that we reached this new version of events. But that's completely incorrect. A true rendering would admit many of Hendrix's close friends suspected immediately that Jimi was murdered and probably by Jeffery. In fact Devon Wilson was very vocal about this and was going around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix. She was found dead under suspicious circumstances 5 months after Jimi's death (this might be a disincentive to the others, wouldn't you think?). Also, Douglas had his experience with Jeffery intimating he had something to do with it at this time as well. So it is a gross historical inaccuracy to suggest otherwise. And I believe Tappy Wright. His alleged 'confession' lines up with all the credible evidence - including, I might add, Jeffery's strange demise. I'm sure Devon could easily have her character destroyed on a courtroom basis - but it wouldn't be an excercise in honest truth-seeking.


I take particular exception to Sharon Lawrence being maligned as "unreliable". As above, the truth is diametrically the opposite. Sharon Lawrence was one of the few people in close contact with Jimi who wasn't on a different plane from the practices of the day - if you know what I mean. She knew something wasn't right about Monika's story. I recently read Lawrence's book. I think it said Monika admitted "washing sick off Jimi's face with wine". My first thought was "who washes vomit off a choking dying person with wine?" Especially when the flat had warm water and a towel close by? Let's skip to Hendrix murder advanced level here. Let's agree that we've more than reasonably established that Monika's story is complete bullshit and not reliable as reference. Therefore we can say that at best her story is a cover-story for cleaning the flat of drugs and making an excuse for it. I think we should reasonably accept, then, that Jimi was laying obviously dead while they did this task. A gruesome thing that they can't admit to without tangling themselves in legal self-incrimination. The admission of "washing sick off Jimi with wine" is important because it frames Monika's intentions and actions in a critical way. Monika's doings and writings - and even background, are worthy of an entire topic and study. The fact she didn't admit to this face washing at the Inquest, or to anyone else says a lot. It's common sense that a simple cosmetic washing of the face with wine would not result in "bottles worth" of wine being witnessed by Bannister in Jimi's stomach and lungs. In my mind Monika is making a half-admission to knowledge of waterboarding in her confession to Sharon Lawrence. Look, what Lawrence witnessed Dannemann say is right in line with all the other crazy inconsistencies we already know about her. And I have a hard time thinking a grown woman would pour wine into a choking dying person trying to 'revive' them. Even a child wouldn't accept that crazy story.

It is yet another gross injustice to accuse Bannister of embellishing his story with time. The true rendering of Bannister is he was an resuscitation room physician who had the bad luck of receiving Hendrix that morning at hospital. Bannister was reading Shapiro's Hendrix biography when it dawned on him he possessed knowledge to back the speculation he was reading over Hendrix's death. He then came forward to say he had witnessed an unusual manner of death like he had never seen in his medical experiences, and that he had extracted many bottles worth of wine from Hendrix's stomach and lungs. To simply say "Bannister was discredited" without accurately describing the details is a grave injustice in my mind. Medical authorities had no problem with Bannister or his competency prior to his coming forward. If you trace Bannister's career it wasn't until he came forward in 1985 that suddenly he started to have professional problems. Coincidentally, he was struck-off within a few months of the petition to re-open the case. Furthermore, the medical judgment Bannister made had nothing to do with his being struck-off for paperwork violations. The true measure of Bannister's judgment was made by the medical school teachers who deemed him competent enough to pass medical school. But, really, witnessing a large amount of wine being suctioned out of Hendrix is not a complex medical judgment open to varying interpretation. It is a simple judgment that even you or I could make. I myself believe Bannister. But it would be a mistake to not register how the death scene and its prodigious amounts of spilled fresh wine also back the wine drowning scenario. It is this overall body of criminal forensic evidence that disputes any short-sided attempts to dismiss Bannister by saying he was "discredited". Perhaps the nurses and assistants could corroborate the suctioned wine? Bannister didn't grasp the significance of what he witnessed because he admittedly thought Hendrix was just another London drug overdose common at the time. And his being black didn't help. Also, the reason the autopsy didn't notice it is because Bannister had already suctioned it out.

If the ambulance attendants witnessed a grotesque amount of vomit covering Jimi from his shoulders up then that means Jimi's gag reflex wasn't exactly suppressed was it? If Jimi had this proclaimed tolerance to barbiturates then it makes sense that his gag reflex wouldn't be suppressed to the point of non-functioning. You can't have it both ways. Jimi either choked from not having a gag reflex or was drowned in wine. The intense vomit was from a life force involuntary bodily reaction to death. It was a death kick reflex that is common in drowning victims where the stomach's contents are expelled in reaction to the extreme bodily event of death. Evidence of being waterboarded, in other words. The wine was deeper into the body and there first. If Jimi had died from choking on vomit I'm pretty sure the dead corpse would not accept wine deeper into the lungs than the vomit. But it is a simple fact that Jimi could not have only two glasses of wine's worth of alcohol in his blood and have several bottles worth of wine in his body without being waterboarded.


There's absolutely no doubt Hendrix was murdered. If you think otherwise you just haven't done your homework. The proof is in the medical forensics...

Scrum Drum
06-09-10, 12:11 PM
To add to the mystery, the Daily Mail was given a very different version of Hendrix's death by a musician who was at the party. "I heard the next day that Jimi had asked [...] As far as I am aware from people who were there, Jimi died at the party - not in bed at his girlfriend's flat.'"



This is very easily disproven by the fact the ambulance men and witnesses saw a profuse amount of vomit covering Jimi from his shoulders up. If Jimi died elsewhere and was taken to the Samarkand and dumped they would have had to bring the vomit along with them and carefully arrange it on Jimi.

I agree with Constantine that the British newspaper coverage of Hendrix's death was probably intelligence character defamation and disinformation for psy-ops purposes. They were totally, libelously wrong - but never apologized or corrected their slanders - including big headlines about bedding two women at a time and overdosing on heroin. This is the correct backdrop to the medical evidence for murder which never stood a chance against this somewhat racist tide of libel, prejudice, and non-investigation.

Somebody said something that was very true. If Paul McCartney was found dead this way there is no way it would have been investigated the way Hendrix's death was. It's not an innocent mistake that Hendrix's death was handled so incompetently.

souldoggie
06-09-10, 12:14 PM
I would like to know who was in Monica's hotel room that morning.
Can someone please list for me all those we know who visited and entered Monica's hotel room while Jimi lay dead?

Monica Dannemann (the incompetent and delusional, at best, groupie)
Reg Jones (senior ambulance attendant)
John Saua (ambulance attendant)
Gerry Stickles (Hendrix management)
Terry Slater (War or Eric Burdon (or both) roadie)

I know my list is far from complete. There was at least one policeman, etc.
Thanks in advance.

souldoggie
06-09-10, 12:35 PM
I take particular exception to Sharon Lawrence being maligned as "unreliable".

I, for one, do not take exception with this characterization. I was very disappointed with her book. In my opinoin, so much was plagerized, so many inaccuracies.
And she didn't even go into any compelling detail regarding her entire Toronto courtroom episode....the day in court or the days leading up to her testimony.
It's my belief that she lied under oath that day. And she knows it.

By the way, for the record, if in fact I am correct, I am pleased that she lied under oath in Toronto. It's her testimony that got him off. Without her concocted fiction, he had no defense. Sharon's testimony is what enabled the court to find Jimi not guilty.

purple jim
06-09-10, 12:55 PM
Are you trying to say that it's very bad that so many of the witnesses have proved unreliable?

Yes.
We can't trust what Danneman said.
Burdon lied all along until he confessed to Kathy that he had been at The Samarkand.
It was you that suggested that Bannister might have been simply publicity seeking.

purple jim
06-09-10, 01:04 PM
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/hendrix.guide/death.htm

This page on my site was simply an attempt to present the "facts" and various theories in some sort of order. It was gathered from the various sources at the bottom of the page.
I will update the whole thing as the investigation continues.:D

Herman Cherusken
06-09-10, 01:26 PM
I vote Scrum Drum The Man of the year...

I was writing on a similar piece, but his is way better than mine....

The key pieces on the Skater From Hell in Sharon Lawrence's book should be typed up here in full, they're crucial in my view. Just an extract:


I could hear myself yelling into the telephone, and I felt shocked by my own anger. "You could have called a doctor. An ambulance. The police. The hotel manager. But you didn't. The very next morning, you told me what happened. But you didn't tell me everything! When he was choking, gasping for breath, did you pour red wine down his throat?
There was a long pause. I took a stab at something I'd discussed with Jack Meehan after his conversation with the coroner and had subsequently puzzled over for years. "I know you did," I said.
"It was all untidy. He was messy. I thought it would help," Monika haltingly explained. I could just imagine her running off to wash her hands because the dying man was "untidy."
"You made it all worse."
She let out a series of hysterical shrieks, but she didn't deny my words...
(Jimi Hendrix: The Man, The Magic, The Truth (Pan Books 2006, p. 265-266)

As Scrum Drum says, Dannemann should be subjected to a in depth investigation devoted entirely to her...

Scrum Drum
06-09-10, 01:55 PM
I take particular exception to Sharon Lawrence being maligned as "unreliable".

I, for one, do not take exception with this characterization. I was very disappointed with her book. In my opinoin, so much was plagerized, so many inaccuracies.
And she didn't even go into any compelling detail regarding her entire Toronto courtroom episode....the day in court or the days leading up to her testimony.
It's my belief that she lied under oath that day. And she knows it.




You're forgetting that Sharon Lawrence had a tape recording of the strange woman entering Jimi's Los Angeles hotel room and trying to speak to him. It was denied as evidence and not entered in the court case even though it was important evidence. Listen, I won't be shy about this, I think Jimi was being spooked by FBI and CIA through their CHAOS and COINTELPRO programs. I directly suggest the evidence of the strange woman was declined because, like many other things involving Hendrix, if it was openly and thoroughly investigated it would be found out she was a covert infiltrator hired either through Jeffery or others. The lack of common investigation around Hendrix is not an accident. What you are suggesting here is Jimi would have plopped a vile of heroin right on top of his clothes - directly seen when opening the suitcase prior to flying to international Customs. Good luck to you making your case against Sharon Lawrence.

But let's get down to the washing with wine admission by Monika. It is so particular and so arcane a detail that it is very unlikely the maligned and disparaged Sharon Lawrence invented it. And don't forget it matches everything else dealing with Monika and her stories. Saying Sharon Lawrence was unreliable and inventing a lie about Monika is what doesn't fit here. Not the other way around.

souldoggie
06-09-10, 05:06 PM
"You're forgetting that Sharon Lawrence had a tape recording of the strange woman entering Jimi's Los Angeles hotel room...."

Pretty sure that "strange woman" was just another groupie. LOL. Sort of exactly what Sharon Lawrence was, despite her "reporter" credentials.

"What you are suggesting here is Jimi would have plopped a vile of heroin right on top of his clothes..."

I never suggested that, said that, or implied that. I said she perjured herself under oath in a court of law.

By the way, it's my contention that she got her story straight, and a deal was cut, in Jimi's L.A hotel room, sometime in early June, 1969. I'm too busy and disorganized to look up the name of the hotel or the exact date. Give me a couple days. (Ok, got it - Beverly Rodeo Hyatt House and/or in Sharon's car, somewhere on (or each day) - Tuesday, June 3 through Thursday, June 5, 1969) But a dollar to a doughnut says that Jimi and his management approached Sharon and they laid out the story line right there and then.

I just have never been one to believe that the CIA ever had a thing to do with Jimi (perhaps the FBI, maybe) and I have never been one to believe that the evil and sinister Michael Jeffrey would endanger (have imprisoned, murdered, have his hand cut off, etc) his one big meal ticket. I respect those opinions and I find them fun and intriguing to read sometimes, but I'm not buying it.

Scrum Drum
06-09-10, 06:48 PM
Pretty sure that "strange woman" was just another groupie. LOL. Sort of exactly what Sharon Lawrence was, despite her "reporter" credentials.

Sharon Lawrence's credentials are unquestionable. Her professional journalistic relationship to Jimi was all spelled out in the book as well as the means by which she met Jimi. She was kind of foxy when she was young. She looks like a prim English mother now lol. Anyway, she had a personal friendship with Jimi because they liked each other and Jimi saw her as a straight person he could rely on outside the rock 'n roll circus he was submerged in. If you read the book there's no doubt Lawrence's professional relationship was real and documented. I don't see any reason to reduce or diminish that.




I never suggested that, said that, or implied that. I said she perjured herself under oath in a court of law.


Which doesn't answer the point. Would Jimi be likely to plop a small pill bottle of heroin right on top of his clothes in his suitcase prior to going through Customs? I think we all know the answer to that. Please don't bother with "I don't know what Jimi might or might not do". We are talking about Michael Jeffery. A man versed in dirty operations tactics (including Jimi's waterboarding murder). Would a man who kidnapped Hendrix with greasy mafioso be beyond slipping heroin into Hendrix's suitcase in a way that could be legally questioned and then offer Hendrix the solution? In a foreign country (Commonwealth) with sympathetic ties to both Jimi and the US? To tell you the truth, what I don't get is people who question Sharon Lawrence lying under oath but then allow the British Government to ignore serious evidence for murder with not only an original non-investigation but with a denial of any re-opening as well. The reason Sharon Lawrence can't be lying is because she offered her reporter's tape of her interview with Jimi as evidence. If the Canadian court allowed this evidence and actually found the groupie, according to what you suggest, it might end up proving Sharon was lying.





But a dollar to a doughnut says that Jimi and his management approached Sharon and they laid out the story line right there and then.

If you say this then you can't escape the obligation to explain how that bottle of heroin ended up in Jimi's suitcase? Is it plausible to suggest Jimi tossed it there in haste and then forgot about it? If Jimi actually did stupidly space out and forget heroin in his suitcase would he then use it later on as a remembered incident against Jeffery and his dirty tactics? Would Jimi, who spoke of truthfulness as being an important value, use something he was guilty of against Jeffery?





I just have never been one to believe that the CIA ever had a thing to do with Jimi (perhaps the FBI, maybe) and I have never been one to believe that the evil and sinister Michael Jeffrey would endanger (have imprisoned, murdered, have his hand cut off, etc) his one big meal ticket. I respect those opinions and I find them fun and intriguing to read sometimes, but I'm not buying it.


We are talking about the height of the COINTELPRO era under Nixon. I have no doubt that if it wasn't for the revealed FBI files on Hendrix some would say "I have doubts FBI had anything to do with Hendrix." If Jimi Hendrix was on the FBI's "Security Index" you can bet your bottom that he was also a strong blip on CIA's radar as well. For goodness' sakes Lee Harvey Oswald never made the Security Index. Once Jimi traveled overseas it was a simple matter of him passing to CIA jurisdiction. CIA, by their own admission, practiced a different level of business overseas. It admits openly its doings overseas were not guided by American law or ethics. Decapitation is a practice openly admitted by CIA. I wonder why CIA was forced to drop its assassinations programs in the 1970's? What had they done that forced even the government to this regretful revulsion? Michael Jeffery was MI-5 for God's sakes (British Intelligence).

We have one Jimi Hendrix whose career was strangely destroyed by an ex-MI-5 agent in a way that perfectly resembled the FBI and CIA's own written description of their counterintelligence operations. Plus we have Hendrix dying in a way that was a strictly covert intelligence agency method in 1970. Waterboarding was something only practiced by intelligence agencies in 1970 (as well as today). When combined with barbiturates it is intended to appear as an accidental drug overdose. There's no getting around it, this method of covert murder is the firm fingerprint of an intelligence assassination, as is a non-investigation afterwards. To me the strongest evidence of intelligence murder is the super-strong Vesparax. I'm of the opinion that they didn't get within Hendrix's reach by accident. They were suddenly swung into Hendrix's environment for the specific purpose of incapacitating him. To me this is the strongest fingerprint because it fits the very subtle pattern of intelligence tactics. All these years people have been saying "poor Jimi he didn't realize how strong the Vesparax was," without ever questioning if that wasn't a mistake. It's time to just come straight out with it.

Do you think Hendrix kidnapped himself or made all that up too? That Jeffery, who was witnessed as being directly tied to the New York/New Jersey mafia, had no connection to this even though Jimi was making all the moves that Jeffery would have reacted to at the time? In my opinion the pattern of evidence is too strong to deny.

MourningStar
06-09-10, 07:13 PM
welcome to CTT Scrum Drum - and I do mean 'welcome'!

I now anxiously await the arrival of the Michael Jeffrey fan club.


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stplsd
06-09-10, 08:18 PM
Yes.
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Just checking, wasn't sure

stplsd
06-09-10, 08:55 PM
stplsd said nobody ever mentioned anything about Jimi being murdered at the time and it wasn't until stories changed and conspiracy theories snowballed that we reached this new version of events. But that's completely incorrect
A true rendering would admit many of Hendrix's close friends suspected immediately that Jimi was murdered and probably by Jeffery. In fact Devon Wilson was very vocal about this and was going around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix.

Got any evidence of this, I'd be most grateful. Remember I did say "at the time" ie not years later.


Also, Douglas had his experience with Jeffery intimating he had something to do with it at this time as well.

All I can remember off hand is that he totally rejects the idea, although I do seem to remember in his early attempts to discredit Jefferey as part of the campaign to promote his forthcoming Crash Landing LP that he may have hinted at this at one point.


So it is a gross historical inaccuracy to suggest otherwise.

If you can put up the evidence, that is


And I believe Tappy Wright. His alleged 'confession' lines up with all the credible evidence - including, I might add, Jeffery's strange demise.

There's one born every minute;-)


I'm sure Devon could easily have her character destroyed on a courtroom basis - but it wouldn't be an excercise in honest truth-seeking.

What are you trying to say here?



But it is a simple fact that Jimi could not have only two glasses of wine's worth of alcohol in his blood

Depends on the size of glass really;-) It was estimated at the autopsy that he was 100ml%, ie 20ml% over the DDR limit.


and have several bottles worth of wine in his body without being waterboarded.

You're just talking nonsense now. Any wine on him was, by the very fact of it being wine, undigested, ie not in his blood.
"Several bottles" is an entirely subjective, imagined quantity. A little wine soaked vomit goes a long way on your new white carpet;-)


Coincidentally, he was struck-off within a few months of the petition to re-open the case.
Whats with the "coincidentally"?


Furthermore, the medical judgment Bannister made had nothing to do with his being struck-off for paperwork violations.

This - and similar others - are a ridiculous attempt to divert a legitimate point. Nobody has suggested that his medical judgement is in question. What is suggested is that someone who is found guilty of fraud (ie telling lies for personal gain) is not to be trusted, and therefore their testimony should be questioned with extreme caution. Especially someone in a position where the utmost trust is paramount. One only has to read his self promoted, progressively exaggerated gore fests, timed with various publications, for the alarm to start ringing.

"Bannister, for his part, was banned from practicing as an orthopedic surgeon in Australia for fraud in 1992."
http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2009/07/21/hendrix-doctor-calls-murder-claim-plausible/ (http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2009/07/21/hendrix-doctor-calls-murder-claim-plausible/)



The proof is in the medical forensics...

And they judged that it was "not proven", didn't find anything suspicious apart from that it may have possibly been a suicide.

stplsd
06-09-10, 09:15 PM
This is very easily disproven
It doesn't have to be, it's laughable. There's no suggestion it's anything better than gossip, if indeed the paper didn't just make up "the musician's" story anyway.


I agree with Constantine that the British newspaper coverage of Hendrix's death was probably intelligence character defamation and disinformation for psy-ops purposes.

Since when have the British gutter press needed any help or organisation from outside agencies to print defamitory gossip about the famous, this is what they thrive on. They never apologise, unless forced to. Get real


Somebody said something that was very true. If Paul McCartney was found dead this way there is no way it would have been investigated the way Hendrix's death was. It's not an innocent mistake that Hendrix's death was handled so incompetently.

In the UK Hendrix was from the start marketed as a theatening, brooding, sexually rapacious, even ugly, bad ass character with a near hobo existance before he became infamous overnight, with his seemingly drug influenced music, he only visited those shores for a short time, before turning his back and returning to America (as many saw it).

McCartney was a native and a loveable mop-top, hardly the same thing, from the press point of view.

MourningStar
06-09-10, 09:20 PM
stplsd said nobody ever mentioned anything about Jimi being murdered at the time and it wasn't until stories changed and conspiracy theories snowballed that we reached this new version of events. But that's completely incorrect.Agreed.
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A true rendering would admit many of Hendrix's close friends suspected immediately that Jimi was murdered and probably by Jeffery. In fact Devon Wilson was very vocal about this and was going around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix.... and you can also count some of the fan-base with similar suspicions. I clearly remember 'those times' and in my circle of Jimi-fans the suspicion of the murder/conspiracy issue adherents made up half, the other half split between an 'oh well another bites the dust' attitude and they that accepted the 'official' reports. I'll venture to guess other 'circle of Jimi-fans were similar in thoughts. In those days, if one was in the 'politically/culturally-conscious' crowd, the murder-conspiracy suspicions were practically 'automatic', what with a great many political and cultural 'icons' falling in such a short span of time.

stplsd
06-09-10, 09:22 PM
You're forgetting that Sharon Lawrence had a tape recording of the strange woman entering Jimi's Los Angeles hotel room and trying to speak to him. It was denied as evidence and not entered in the court case even though it was important evidence.

According to? This is patently ludicrous, "a tape of a woman entering..." would that be footsteps? "trying to speak to him" ie but not actually succeeding? "Jimi?, Jimi?" - no reply. What could possibly be admissable about this? Anyone could have made up such a tape, what would it possibly have on it that could prove anything regarding this case? "Important evidence" ha-ha-ha

stplsd
06-09-10, 09:28 PM
what with a great many political and cultural 'icons' falling in such a short span of time.

Who "fell" before Jimi? in the pop world apart from the almost undiscussed Al Wilson of Canned Heat (shortly before Jimi, due to very similar causes), Brian Epstein? he hardly fits the bill, surely? I can't think of any others offhand apart from political figures of which there are many, but I don't really see the connection to this case.

MourningStar
06-09-10, 09:52 PM
Who "fell" before Jimi? apart from the almost undiscussed Al Wilson of Canned Heat (shortly before Jimi, due to very similar causes), Brian Epstein? he hardly fits the bill, surely? I can't think of any others offhand.Now I get to say "you need to do some serious homework". (dude, r u 4 real?)

stplsd
06-09-10, 09:55 PM
Now I get to say "you need to do some serious homework". (dude, r u 4 real?)

Not really, I was still writing my post when you replied. (prematurely squeezing in your post by a few seconds. I write a bit, save it, have a drink, think about it, write a bit more, surely you've noticed. I got pissed off at writing a big ream of text and then going to save it, lost it all. It's too dull to write on word and then copy & paste and then the text all f's up and you have to fart around for ages trying to sort it).
I was obviously (you are allowed to see the obvious "meaning", you know), I would have thought, talking about people in the entertainment biz. You got any more similar deaths pre-Jimi on topic (ie popstars, ok then, famous rock musicians, even)? or were you just trying to avoid your not being able to find any others?

All of the previous debate has been about "Rock/Pop Star" deaths not politicos etc. Pop stars (they were merely the cheer leaders (if that)) are not quite up there as a direct threat to the 'military industrial complex' as the leading "opposition" political figures of the day: "the enemy within", the Kennedy's, Dr. King, the Panthers, Weathermen, Leary etc. etc.
(I am obviously 4 real, are U, that's the question)

I don't need to do any homework about the politics of the day, I was living it

ilovejimi
06-09-10, 09:55 PM
I now anxiously await the arrival of the Michael Jeffrey fan club.


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Ill set up a thread :cheese:

stplsd
06-09-10, 11:27 PM
" But a dollar to a doughnut says that Jimi and his management approached Sharon and they laid out the story line right there and then.

Exactly, it's obvious. And it's still more than possible that he was planted as well. She was still neccessary though. It wouldn't be the first or last time that that a false accusation has been countered by a false defence
;-)


I just have never been one to believe that the CIA ever had a thing to do with Jimi (perhaps the FBI, maybe) and I have never been one to believe that the evil and sinister Michael Jeffrey would endanger (have imprisoned, murdered, have his hand cut off, etc) his one big meal ticket. I respect those opinions and I find them fun and intriguing to read sometimes, but I'm not buying it.
Thanks, I'm not buying it either

stplsd
06-09-10, 11:37 PM
I now anxiously await the arrival of the Michael Jeffrey fan club.

You'll have a long wait then;-)

Scrum Drum
06-10-10, 10:32 AM
According to? This is patently ludicrous, "a tape of a woman entering..." would that be footsteps? "trying to speak to him" ie but not actually succeeding? "Jimi?, Jimi?" - no reply. What could possibly be admissable about this? Anyone could have made up such a tape, what would it possibly have on it that could prove anything regarding this case? "Important evidence" ha-ha-ha



You mock too quickly. I went back and re-read Sharon Lawrence. I couldn't find all of it but I found the part that said the hippy girl with the long love beads was unusually aggressive in trying to get to Jimi in the L.A. hotel room. Sharon said both Jimi and herself remember the yellow cap on the small bottle being in her hand. I can remember from memory the part that said she offered it to Jimi for headaches or such.

Interesting, while searching Lawrence I found a part that mentioned Jeffery offering a job to her since he thought she had an influence on Jimi (just a groupie eh, Jeffery didn't think so) Please don't ask me for 'evidence' on this.

The important evidence might be the woman's voice saying she was offering this 'medicine' for headaches. Or perhaps just her urgence and pushiness to get near Hendrix. In any case if her voice was clear they could at least try to identify her. I doubt Sharon Lawrence would urge evidence that would end up backfiring on her and proving the opposite. In my opinion your input conspicuously tries to force doubt against the obvious grain. There is a rule that the greater the knee-jerk ridicule the greater the realization of truth needing to be denied. I think if we asked Sharon Lawrence if she invented an alibi for Jimi we would find out. So far, I haven't seen any person come forward and say "tell you the truth that was Jimi's dope but we just couldn't admit it." And don't forget this May 3rd 1969 incident dovetails perfectly with Jeffery's emerging control problems with Jimi. "Ludicrous"? I don't think so.

Scrum Drum
06-10-10, 10:56 AM
In the UK Hendrix was from the start marketed as a theatening, brooding, sexually rapacious, even ugly, bad ass character with a near hobo existance before he became infamous overnight, with his seemingly drug influenced music, he only visited those shores for a short time, before turning his back and returning to America (as many saw it).

McCartney was a native and a loveable mop-top, hardly the same thing, from the press point of view.


I've been reading your input before I was allowed on. I think you tend to dwell in the negative spin too much to reflect an actual representation of the real situation. The truth is after his death Jimi Hendrix's picture was seen all over England in places like shop windows and even in some of the rougher northern working class places you might not expect. Jimi had won the heart of the English to some degree. Much more than some dark character sweeping through as you try to portray.

This shadowy rascal you try to present managed to get a Blue Plaque. The simple answer to what you write is Jimi is now a historic rock 'n roll figure - if not the most famous. He has a close relationship and identity with Britain. With all we know, along with the established unanswered questions we know about his death, there's no excuse for at least not openly, honestly, and publicly re-opening the case. The refusal only confirms the suspicions no matter how much some try to deny that by spuriously attacking the evidence. The truth is if Jimi Hendrix's death investigation was re-opened it would expose some horribly scandalous things that the governments and authorities involved don't want you to know. I don't understand "Hendrix fans" that would fight to cover this up. With all respect, my personal feeling is they don't want to deal with it and are looking for excuses to ignore it.

MourningStar
06-10-10, 11:20 AM
... All of the previous debate has been about "Rock/Pop Star" deaths not politicos etc.only in your little confined myopic reality. And 'politicos' have been referenced, if nothing else but for the murder-conspiracy 'connection'. Pay attention : Although the focus is on Hendrix, the (obvious to everybody else) central 'theme' of this topic is murder-conspiracy (just look at the topic title, doh!). And many non-'Star' names are in this mix. I see that I have to spell it out for you : Danneman, Wilson, Jeffrey, Douglas, etc. (sheesh!)
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Pop stars (they were merely the cheer leaders (if that)) are not quite up there as a direct threat to the 'military industrial complex' as the leading "opposition" political figures of the day: "the enemy within", the Kennedy's, Dr. King, the Panthers, Weathermen, Leary etc. etc. Your 'cheer-leaders' were more of a threat than you are able to comprehend. When it became obvious that the ones that were of 'interest' could not be co-opted (if the attempt was even made - we do know Jimi was 'contacted'), most likely they were then targeted (and terminated?) before they could become the kind of threat that would then be obvious to you. (does the phrase 'nip-it-in-the-bud' ring a bell?)

In my opinion, a rock star of Jimi's stature, already pushing a 'religion', and then merging with politcal aspirations - yeah, such an individual could achieve even more power than imaginable. some cheer-leader, ey?

Scrum Drum
06-10-10, 12:20 PM
Got any evidence of this, I'd be most grateful. Remember I did say "at the time" ie not years later.



I believe this was witnessed by many people. I've read about it in my Hendrix readings. I think you probably remember Devon's saying Jimi and her had straightened-out and were trying to decrease their drug use. She was saying this in the context of doubting the overdose story - which anyone could see exhibits the context of accusing Jeffery (which she did outright anyway). In my opinion we have enough here that the onus is on you to disprove this context and Devon's efforts. You're bluffing. I think most credible Hendrix researchers do not dispute this.





All I can remember off hand is that he totally rejects the idea, although I do seem to remember in his early attempts to discredit Jefferey as part of the campaign to promote his forthcoming Crash Landing LP that he may have hinted at this at one point.


I don't see how you could try to get away with this within the overall context of all the other people who suspected Jeffery and brought evidence for it. I think the exact quote was Douglas heard Jeffery tell him directly that he (Jeffery) was "implicated" in Jimi's death. More likely, if Douglas fuzzed on the issue it was because it threatened his personal position in relation to Hendrix income. To me, people who seek the weak spots against the stronger more obvious evidence are trying to avoid something.




There's one born every minute;-)


I take offense to this, but let's honor the board's lighthearted tone. I'll wager Tappy Wright would pass a lie detector test on this. To me the strongest evidence Wright is telling the truth is the government's involved show no interest in him and there's no follow-through to try to establish the facts. Forget the fact that all the crazy stories that no one will come forward to explain even to this day, along with the forensic evidence, all point to Jeffery's story being true (or at least the murder part). There's a possible explanation to why Jeffery would tell a partially-true story I'd like to elaborate on.




Depends on the size of glass really;-) It was estimated at the autopsy that he was 100ml%, ie 20ml% over the DDR limit.


It's critically important to be accurate here. Jimi's blood alcohol level was the British standard measurement of 5 milligrams per 100 milliliters. About two glasses of wine - which would technically be over the legal limit, but that's just a way of making it sound like more than it was. The true forensic significance here is the amount of wine witnessed at the scene and by Bannister. Once you establish that there was too much wine to account for the blood alcohol level then you have forensic evidence of murder.

The way Jimi was found on the bed would make it impossible for pure wine to flow uphill and against gravity and into his hair. Plus, if the wine was pure then it wasn't vomited out. Wine that was chugged and ingested would have become impure and mixed with the vomit. Especially with the full stomach of rice the coroner witnessed. It would also have raised Jimi's blood alcohol level to a degree commensurate with the amount of wine. Let's get something straight here. ALL of Jimi's friends said he wasn't a person to foolishly chug wine - especially with a large dose of sleeping pills. The pure wine seen in Jimi's hair, on the bed, and saturating his clothes was obviously spilled there while Jimi was being waterboarded. The reason there's such a clear separation of vomit and wine is because Jimi was waterboarded with wine and drowned and then the bodily vomit reaction occurred.

If Jimi had a 3.9 milligram percent of blood barbiturate level that means he had ingested a knock-out dose at the time he died. This would make it impossible for him to administer any "bottles worth" of wine into himself. The murder forensic is very clear here. It exists within a triangulation of blood alcohol and barbiturate levels. If Jimi drank the wine earlier and passed-out the 'bottles worth' suctioned by Bannister would have registered in his blood. And he couldn't have chugged 'bottles worth' by himself and drowned himself while under a 3.9mg knock-out dose of Vesparax. You can't get around this. This is conclusive forensic evidence of murder.




You're just talking nonsense now. Any wine on him was, by the very fact of it being wine, undigested, ie not in his blood.
"Several bottles" is an entirely subjective, imagined quantity. A little wine soaked vomit goes a long way on your new white carpet;-)



I'm a little less glib about Jimi Hendrix's murder. I think we can trace two opened bottles of wine taken from Harvey's that may have ended-up back at the Samarkand. Monika also told of a bottle of white and bottle of red she had at the Samarkand. I believe Bannister's statement that he suctioned a large amount of wine from Jimi Hendrix. Bannister was a trained medical doctor. To be frank, I'll take his word over people trying to deny evidence on the internet. And let's not forget the death scene also reflects this amount of wine. And let's not forget the large amount of vomit disproves the inhibited gag reflex claim. As does the low blood alcohol level compared to the wine Bannister witnessed. Bannister was very clear that he kept suctioning wine out of Hendrix but it kept on coming. I myself don't think he's lying. I also directly assert that Bannister suddenly had credibility-damaging career problems immediately after he came forward with this. He had no such problems prior to this. The "several bottles worth" is not frivolously labeled "subjective" as you do. It is firmly traced to known amounts of wine existing at the flat as well a measurable suction device Bannister used to extract it. It is also connected to an alleged confession that fits the manner of death.







This - and similar others - are a ridiculous attempt to divert a legitimate point. Nobody has suggested that his medical judgement is in question. What is suggested is that someone who is found guilty of fraud (ie telling lies for personal gain) is not to be trusted, and therefore their testimony should be questioned with extreme caution. Especially someone in a position where the utmost trust is paramount. One only has to read his self promoted, progressively exaggerated gore fests, timed with various publications, for the alarm to start ringing.



I would take you more seriously if you applied that same standard to the British Government's own case. There's more than a modicum of hypocrisy going on here. If you applied that same rule to the British Government's own Inquest you would find that it trusted and didn't question Monika Dannemann's easily-disproven story. The truth here is that the British Government's Inquest relied 100% on the completely-disproven lies of Monika Dannemann to determine Jimi Hendrix's official cause of death. Now if my general understanding of things is correct that means the Inquest's determination is bogus and therefore not enterable on a legal basis. So the British Government is sticking with, by default, something that isn't valid. To me, with so much screaming evidence of murder out there, it is highly unethical to the point of immoral to deny any re-opening of the case when all legal obligations would require it. The British Inquest is broken, therefore there is no legally valid official cause of death. I thought the British Government would have no choice but to re-open the case in order to fulfil their legal duty to establish an legally valid official cause of death. The British Government should be sued here by somebody with standing.

To use the tack of powers that might have deliberately destroyed a man's reputation in order to prevent his testimony is to honor treachery in order to disallow justice. To do this against Jimi Hendrix and deny him evidence of his murder is unspeakable in my mind.






And they judged that it was "not proven", didn't find anything suspicious apart from that it may have possibly been a suicide.


There's a very important difference between "not proven" and "not wanting to prove". The wise will notice the difference and its appearance in the evidence.

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 01:34 PM
Ffs............................ Yawn

Herman Cherusken
06-10-10, 02:07 PM
Ffs............................ Yawn

Shush, this is interesting. And there's no need for those who don't like it to bore themselves by having to peak in here, despite their proclaimed dissatisfaction with the topic...

All said with a friendly gesture...:D

purple jim
06-10-10, 02:13 PM
I am undecided about whether it was murder/manslaughter by Danneman or a hit. If we say it was a hit, then how do we explain Danneman's role/actions? Her panic on the phone to Burdon for example, the fact that she admitted giving Jimi the tablets washed down with wine?

manfree
06-10-10, 02:18 PM
Way to Go Scrum Drum

Herman Cherusken
06-10-10, 02:27 PM
I am undecided about whether it was murder/manslaughter by Danneman or a hit. If we say it was a hit, then how do we explain Danneman's role/actions? Her panic on the phone to Burdon for example, the fact that she admitted giving Jimi the tablets washed down with wine?

I hear ya, I still don't buy into the covert op version. Most plausible thus far is the crazy chick version, a mad crazy chick on top of it due to what had transpired earlier during the evening, and possibly by Jimi saying he would go to New York on his own sometime the next few days. She didn't "whipe his face with wine" (there's no such wording to be found in Lawrence's book), she poured the shit down for whatever reason...

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 02:31 PM
Shush, this is interesting. And there's no need for those who don't like it to bore themselves by having to peak in here, despite their proclaimed dissatisfaction with the topic...

All said with a friendly gesture...:D

Yawn, ..................... with a smile :D:D
If you ever get past the OPINION stage it might get interetsing. Yes, some great and very interesting points raised but few and far between.
Yawn, still smiling, still laughing :D:D:D:D

souldoggie
06-10-10, 02:37 PM
[QUOTE=Scrum Drum;30975] Interesting, while searching Lawrence I found a part that mentioned Jeffery offering a job to her since he thought she had an influence on Jimi (just a groupie eh, Jeffery didn't think so) Please don't ask me for 'evidence' on this.

Very interesting, indeed. She certainly had "an influence", especially in Toronto LOL. And yes, she was a groupie with a press pass. If I was a 23 year old fox in 1969, I'd of been a Hendrix groupie, too. And proud of it.

I just skimmed through her book. I read it cover to cover the week it was published. I forgot just how bad it is. Quoting people as if she was there, wrong dates, etc.
I have a signed document from Sharon establishing provenance on a Hendrix item I bought from her years ago. No doubt in my mind it was Hendrix's, no doubt in my mind he gave it to her. What I do doubt are the circumstances (date, place) in which he gave it to her. Her signed document is inaccurate, but I'll just put it down to a bad memory. Better then calling her disingenuous, or worse.
So to sum up, I have 3 "documents" from Sharon: A book, a courtroom transcript, and a signed letter of provenance. In my book she's 0 for 3.

Herman Cherusken
06-10-10, 02:42 PM
I read it cover to cover the week it was published. I forgot just how bad it is. Quoting people as if she was there, wrong dates, etc.

lol, ever heard of keeping a diary, I guess a messed up diary if there are dates wrong...

MourningStar
06-10-10, 02:42 PM
...If we say it was a hit, then how do we explain Danneman's role/actions?Role : member of the hit team. Actions : You answered it your self thus :
Her panic ...Will always undermine even the most thorough of coaching efforts. They shoulda gone with a brunnette!

univibs
06-10-10, 04:01 PM
If Jimi had a 3.9 milligram percent of blood barbiturate level that means he had ingested a knock-out dose at the time he died. This would make it impossible for him to administer any "bottles worth" of wine into himself. The murder forensic is very clear here. It exists within a triangulation of blood alcohol and barbiturate levels. If Jimi drank the wine earlier and passed-out the 'bottles worth' suctioned by Bannister would have registered in his blood. And he couldn't have chugged 'bottles worth' by himself and drowned himself while under a 3.9mg knock-out dose of Vesparax. You can't get around this. This is conclusive forensic evidence of murder.


there is no doubt about the murder issue, but the question is who did it..
when Monica booked the hotel room, that's another question we should ask and why did she came to London, Work/to meet Jimi ?

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 04:10 PM
there is no doubt about the murder issue, but the question is who did it..


Another opinion .................................. yawn (with a smile:D)

purple jim
06-10-10, 04:11 PM
Can't see her being a member of the "hit team". What about the argument outside Philip Harvey's flat? She seemed to be nuts about Jimi (aswell as nuts).

MourningStar
06-10-10, 04:20 PM
Another opinion .................................. yawn (with a smile:D)hey man, the first time was cute, now it's just adolescent. Come on in, the waters fine. Or take up Herman's suggestion. :D

univibs
06-10-10, 04:23 PM
What about the argument outside Philip Harvey's flat? She seemed to be nuts about Jimi (aswell as nuts).

Clark's Muse alley- been there, such a nice alley, I think I have few pictures from there...
loosing your mind could be a motive too... maybe she said "if I can't have him, no one will !" or something like that...

but maybe after all she is the victim in this story, maybe she tried to help him and lost it, maybe things got out of control and she freaked..

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 04:29 PM
hey man, the first time was cute, now it's just adolescent. Come on in, the waters fine. Or take up Herman's suggestion. :D

Not as adolescant as some of the comments, opinions posted on this thread. If questions are to be raised please do so but please don't present them as actuality, fact. If nothing else it's disrespectful of Hendrix's memory if nothing else.
I could add I'm reading a lot of shite but that would be too adolescent so I won't.
Yawn

MourningStar
06-10-10, 04:39 PM
... I could add I'm reading a lot of shite but that would be too adolescent so I won't.
Yawnagreed ...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/XiKano/EMOTSMILEY/smilie-2.gif

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 04:42 PM
Hey man, I want the yawn ...............

Fenders Fingers
06-10-10, 05:12 PM
A recent post I read had:
1 "COULD"
1 "IF"
1 "SOMETHING LIKE"
4 "MAYBE"

I won't mention the irrelivant "rougher northern working class places" in England. This is not even relevant.
It's fine to disagree with others points, argue all you want but once again all I'm calling for is less opinion, it's loosing the interest, undermines your point and makes the post irrelevant.
I do think this has the making of a irst rate discussion, potential need to be realised.
If you don't raise the bar I'll get adolescent again :cheese:

stplsd
06-10-10, 06:01 PM
I believe this was witnessed by many people. I've read about it in my Hendrix readings.

Not sure what you mean by this? What was witnessed?


I think you probably remember Devon's saying Jimi and her had straightened-out and were trying to decrease their drug use. She was saying this in the context of doubting the overdose story - which anyone could see exhibits the context of accusing Jeffery (which she did outright anyway).

I have never seen this where did you get this from?



In my opinion we have enough here that the onus is on you to disprove this context and Devon's efforts. You're bluffing. I think most credible Hendrix researchers do not dispute this.

Ha-ha-ha it's you that is claiming something, I'm just pointing out the inconcistencies in various arguments, including the "autopsy report" contents as transcripted by Tony Brown. And you have signally failed to provide any evidence for your claims, merely reiterating your previous unsubstantiated claims, claiming secret knowledge not available to the rest of us. "I think", yes, you think but so what?


I don't see how you could try to get away with this within the overall context of all the other people who suspected Jeffery and brought evidence for it.

Get away with what? Check the variety of theories here, there and in publications there is no unanimity!


I think the exact quote was Douglas heard Jeffery tell him directly that he (Jeffery) was "implicated" in Jimi's death. More likely, if Douglas fuzzed on the issue it was because it threatened his personal position in relation to Hendrix income. To me, people who seek the weak spots against the stronger more obvious evidence are trying to avoid something.

Show me where Douglas claims Jeffery had Hendrix murdered? All I have seen is him saying the opposite. Why are only talking about Jeffery? I'm not, there's several claims out there just as valid.


To me the strongest evidence Wright is telling the truth is the government's involved show no interest in him and there's no follow-through to try to establish the facts.

So the strongest evidence you have is that part of the legal department of the government that might be concerned with this matter (ie not even the whole legal department, and certainly not the elected government of the UK) - that is if they even bothered to read his patently venal rubbish - ignored a trashy badly written book by someone who obviously barely knew Jimi and had very little contact with him claims in it "he told me" about a dead man who was in Spain when Hendrix died. "He told me" is not evidence. No one to my knowledge has petitioned them to re-open the case since his claim. They had already re-investigated the evidence earlier and thought there was no point in pursuing with the matter.


About two glasses of wine - which would technically be over the legal limit, but that's just a way of making it sound like more than it was
...etc etc.

Listen mate, I've at least done you the courtesy of reading what you wrote and thinking about it before I replied. You have obviously not read much of what I wrote and have just made your mind up with out considering what I have said. I replied to this in my last post on your contribution. please refer to mine when replying. ie don't just say the same thing over as if it hasn't been challenged.


The way Jimi was found on the bed would make it impossible for pure wine to flow uphill and against gravity and into his hair.

I'm unaware that Monika said exactly how he was lying when she first woke up. Vomit is usually expelled not a gravity thing really, the more liquid the further it might travel. Is there no possibility that he may have vomited and turned around in a semi concious state, choking, before the full effect set in? he may have been moved from whatever this position you claim at some point? a possible resucitation attempt? or whatever, You appear to think there was no possibility of someone choking while lying down? the abulance men and doctors don't appear to agree with you.


Plus, if the wine was pure then it wasn't vomited out. ..../etc.

I've already been over that, try reading my post, quote what you don't agree with and come up with some evidence or logic that will refute it, that's how the game is played.


If Jimi had a 3.9 milligram percent of blood barbiturate level that means he had ingested a knock-out dose at the time he died. This would make it impossible for him to administer any "bottles worth" of wine into himself.

Whatever the amount of barbs it doesn't hit you right away, tablets can take a while. There's nothing to say he didn't take them in stages. I've taken plenty of barbs (tuinol etc, not tried Vesparax), mandrax in my time, usually when drunk, as have most of my friends & aquaintances, your talking to someone who knows.


The murder forensic is very clear here. It exists within a triangulation of blood alcohol and barbiturate levels. If Jimi drank the wine earlier and passed-out the 'bottles worth' suctioned by Bannister would have registered in his blood.

Bannister's estimates of quantity are worthlessly subjective, and as mentioned repeatedly it is reported he was struck off (a very serious punishment) for being a fraudster.


I believe Bannister's statement [...] I'll take his word over people trying to deny evidence on the internet...

Oh no you don't! it's not "people trying''" it's people legitimately quoting published testimony by those who were there at the time including respected doctors and medical staff, ie not promoting a man (struck off for fraud) above all the others, a man who puts himself forward to blab out in detail a gore fest of a patient and thereby violating his privacy, with no point in mind apart from seemingly making out Jimi was a bit of a wino who drowned gruesomly in it, progressively in his several statements becoming more fixated with the image. And at last when he thought his two minutes of fame were long gone - ooh, Tappy comes along, so he can now get his gore fest more mileage, and add to it with the murder scenario. Funny he didn't think that there was anything suspicious at the time? unusual, yes, but suspicious, no.


And let's not forget...
that his "colourfull" memories are not corroborated by the others involved. eg the dried nature of the "dark matter" on Jimi's hair, clothes and blocking his throat.


Let's not forget the large amount of vomit disproves the inhibited gag reflex claim.

Do me the courtesy of reading my post and respond accordingly, you are just repeating yourself, again and again.


It is firmly traced to known amounts of wine existing at the flat as well a measurable suction device Bannister used to extract it.

"Firmly"? where? Only evidence of these contentions is the word of Bannister (see post for what his word is worth), and Monika (of any bottles at the flat)


It is also connected to an alleged confession that fits the manner of death.

Exactly "alleged" we can all allege (ie assert without proof)


I would take you more seriously if ..

I would take you more seriously if you backed up your assertions with some evidence and/or at least read my posts and responded to them in an honest manner in the commonly accepted manner of a debate. Instead of just repeating your statements as if they hadn't been challenged.


...applied that same standard to the British Government's own case.

It's not " The British Government" that's a ludicrously grand claim, it was Gavin Thurston, an individual, the coroner for that part of London. The "British Government" was I'm sure mostly unaware of Hendrix and if they were, were generally quite uninterested and/or vaguely disgusted/tittilated, or some other frivilous emotion, by his life and death. He only stayed in the UK as a resident for about 18 months at the most.


The truth here is that the British Government's Inquest relied 100% on the completely-disproven lies of Monika Dannemann to determine Jimi Hendrix's official cause of death.

Nonsense. The coroner (ie not "The British Government") was only interested in Stickells (let's not forget Stickells) & her testimony that Jimi was not suicidal. The rest of her statement was consistent with the other witnesses and the autopsy. The police and autopsy had given him no reason to suspect foul play. There would obviously have been quite a bit of chat going on between him and other parties, unrecorded unfortunately.


To me, with so much screaming evidence of murder out there..

Yeah, to you, but obviously not to anyone in authority, he may of course have been murdered, but that's assumng a lot, then again more probably not, there is no evidence he was. Nobody with any standing appears to think so.


but just coz you feel something it's not enough

Exactly


To use the tack of powers that might have...

Looks to me that that is what you are doing, by just repeating your emotionally charged statements and allegations without backing them up with any evidence, and avoiding answering any challenges (with published testimony) made to them.


... deliberately destroyed a man's reputation in order to prevent his testimony

You just keep pumping it out;-)


...is to honor treachery in order to disallow justice. To do this against Jimi Hendrix and deny him evidence of his murder is unspeakable in my mind.

You got to put up the evidence before you can start whining. If strong evidence turns up that Jimi was murdered I'd welcome it, but it's just not that obvious. It is suspicious as to what the people testified to have been involved (at the Cameron house party), and mainly in the Samarkand were up to before the ambulance was called, and it is disgraceful than none of them apparently thought to call one immediately, but that depends on whether their statements are in any way reliable as to the chronology and detail of the events.


There's a very important difference between "not proven" and "not wanting to prove". The wise will notice the difference and its appearance in the evidence.

There are very important differences between "wishful thinking" and "probability". The wise will have questions remaining, and will not have made their minds up in absence of any credible evidence apart from unsubstantiated gossip.

ilovejimi
06-10-10, 06:38 PM
Michael Jeffery (died 5 March 1973) was a music business manager (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Business_manager) of the 1960s who is best known for his management of British band The Animals (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/The_Animals) and American guitarist-composer Jimi Hendrix (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix), whom he co-managed for a time with former Animals bassist Chas Chandler (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Chas_Chandler).
A former associate of noted British pop impresario Don Arden (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Don_Arden), Jeffery was and remains a controversial figure. He has been openly condemned by members of The Animals, who blame him for the breakup of the band, claiming that he worked the group into the ground and appropriated most of their earnings.
He was killed in 1973 in a mid-air collision over Nantes (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Nantes), France, whilst aboard an Iberia Airlines (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Iberia_Airlines) DC-9.
Jeffery has received almost unanimous criticism from biographers of Hendrix. Several have alleged that Jeffery siphoned off much of Hendrix's income and channeled it into off-shore bank accounts, that Jeffery had dubious connections to US intelligence services (it has been reported<SUP style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap" class="noprint Inline-Template" title="The material in the vicinity of this tag may use weasel words or too-vague attribution. from April 2010">[by whom? (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)]</SUP> that insiders often claimed that he worked for MI5, British Secret Intelligence and that he had connections to European organised crime). When Experience bassist Noel Redding inquired as to where Jeffery was going with briefcases of the band's money, he was asked to leave.
Jeffery was played by actor Billy Zane (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Billy_Zane) in the movie Hendrix.
In October 2006 a $15 million auction took place of items of Michael Jeffery's estate including the rights to many of Jimi Hendrix's hits including "Purple Haze (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Purple_Haze)" and "Voodoo Child (Slight Return) (http://crosstowntorrents.org/wiki/Voodoo_Child_(Slight_Return))". Experience Hendrix, a company formed and owned by Hendrix's family, have said they will prove they own the titles to these songs and that they intend to sue.<SUP id=cite_ref-0 class=reference>[1] (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#cite_note-0)</SUP>
In May 2009 the UK media reported claims that Michael Jeffery had murdered Jimi Hendrix. James "Tappy" Wright, who was a roadie for Hendrix and The Animals in the 1960s, claimed he met Michael Jeffery one year after Hendrix's death and that Jeffery confessed to the murder by plying Hendrix with pills and a bottle of wine.<SUP id=cite_ref-1 class=reference>[2] (http://crosstowntorrents.org/#cite_note-1)</SUP>
In his new book Rock Roadie, Wright claims that Jeffrey told him that he plied Hendrix with pills and alcohol in order to kill him and claim on the guitarist's life insurance.
Hendrix died in September 1970. His body was found in London at the flat of Monika Dannemann, who was Hendrix's girlfriend at the moment.
Jeffrey allegedly made the confession to Wright in 1971, two years later he was killed in a plane crash.
Writing of the admission, Wright says: "I can still hear that conversation, see the man I'd known for so much of my life, his face pale, hand clutching at his glass in sudden rage."
Jeffrey is quoted by Wright as telling him: "I was in London the night of Jimi's death and together with some old friends.. we went 'round to Monika's hotel room, got a handful of pills and stuffed them into his mouth...then poured a few bottles of red wine deep into his windpipe."
The manager was allegedly worried that Hendrix was about to sack him. He had recently taken out a life insurance policy worth $2 million, with Jeffrey as beneficiary, reports Britain's Mail On Sunday.
"I had to do it. Jimi was worth much more to me dead than alive," Jeffrey is quoted as telling Wright. "That son of a b*tch was going to leave me. If I lost him, I'd lose everything."
At the time of Hendrix's death, a coroner recorded an open verdict, stating that the cause was "barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit". However, additional evidence has come forth in following years, not only from "Tappy" Wright, but from Dr. John Bannister, the doctor who attempted to resuscitate Hendrix after his death. Corroborating "Tappy" Wright's story, the doctor's comments point to a strong possibility that Hendrix actually died from forced inhalation of copious amounts of red wine. Some people suspect Michael Jeffery had Hendrix killed

ilovejimi
06-10-10, 06:47 PM
I dont belive what Tappy says: Jeffery was smarter than that-- why kill your cash cow. Jimi hadnt dropped him as manager prior to his death.

Jeffery Im sure if he was really considering killing jimi- he would have hounded Jimi to get albums to market in a complete form.

Im sure Monika would have never covered for Jeffery and even if were true- Jeffery died in 1973

Ezy Rider
06-10-10, 09:04 PM
Just found this, VERY interesting:

"Z Rechtsmed. 1980;85(3):169-75.ffice:office" /><O:p></O:p>
[Results of toxicological investigations on vesparax-poisonings (author's transl)]<O:p></O:p>
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Sticht G, Käferstein H.<O:p></O:p>
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Concentrations of brallobarbital and secobarbital in 10 cases of acute Vesparax-intoxications are listed for blood, brain, liver, kidney, and muscle. Quantitative determinations in brain give information as to the time of acute poisoning. Muscle is a suitable organ to determine the resorbed quantity of the drug. As few as 10 Vesparax-tablets are enough to produce lethal poisonings."<O:p></O:p>
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7415572



Many thanks, great find and great research, stplsd. This solves one big question or at leasts busts one myth. I always believed that the vesparax paralyzed his gaging reflex which caused him to choke on his own vomit. As plausible as this may always have sounded, the reality is apparently more complex.

The whole issue now seems to evolve around the wine. Did Jimi drown in wine (or was drowned)? When was it applied, before or after the vomiting (apart from the two glasses he drank before)? How was it applied? Could it be possible that the pouring of one bottle of wine led to a rise of the alcohol level in his blood? How did the wine get in his lungs? Also, wouldn't this rule out any suicide attempt?

Another issue is the whole bunch of people that apparently marched into the Samarkand in the early morning hours. There must be three or four of them. They came to "clean" the room but the vomit was still all over the place so they didn't clean that for sure. This would also mean that Jimi crashed out, took (or "took") his sleeping pills while still fully dressed. Jimi doesn't seem the pyjama guy (remembering the interview where he opened the door naked), but it is still a bit weird. They took drugs, of course, but why would they take his guitar (I believe still unaccounted for up to this day)? It must be sure that to anyone in the room Jimi was dead and gone for sure. If so, this means that it must have been clear when they entered because still no one called an ambulance. Everybody left as if never anything had happened and Monika calls an ambulance. None of this appears in the final police statement and almost everything what Monika stated in there seems now to have been the opposite.

A third issue which is not entirely clear to me is the (estimated) time of Jimi's death. I have found several different times: 12:45 PM (i.e. 0:45 AM?), between 1 and 2 AM and between 2 and 3 AM. There may be even some later times. That is a long time between dying and calling Eric Burdon around dawn. Jimi and Monika should have arrived at the Samarkand before midnight. They left Harvey's place at 10:40 PM, Jimi went to Cameron's place where Monika apparently soon after picked him up. Why such a long time? If she was sleeping, how can we explain the wine?

By the way, does someone have this Bild article of September 24, 1970 by Egan F. Freheit called " I Gave Jimi the Tablets" (but probably an english translation of a german title)? I can't find it on the net. (curiously how fast she left the country after Jimi died, and when and why did she came to Britain anyway?)

I also found this on the Writer's Forensic Blog, which may shed some further light on the issue of the wine and the drugs:

http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/jimi-hendrix-was-murdered-say-it-ain%E2%80%99t-so/

"This brings up an interesting forensic topic. If someone dies from a supposed drug or alcohol overdose, what is most important? The amount of drug in the stomach or that in the bloodstream?
In Jimi’s case. the official cause of death was listed as “barbiturate intoxication and inhalation of vomit.” John Bannister, the surgeon who attempted to save Hendrix when he arrived at the hospital, says that he remembered there was a large amount of red wine in his lungs and his stomach and that to him there was no doubt that Hendrix had drowned in the red wine. The question raised by James Wright is whether this red wine was vomited up from Hendrix’s stomach or, as he claims Jeffrey told him, it was poured down Jimi’s throat.
The kicker here is that apparently Jimi’s blood-alcohol level was very low, indicating that the alcohol in his stomach had been recently consumed. Alcohol absorbs very rapidly from the stomach and into the bloodstream. Anyone who has taken a drink on an empty stomach can vouch for that. The fact that the blood-alcohol level was low means that the Jimi had not consumed the alcohol over a long period of time but rather within an hour, or likely less, before his death. Otherwise one would expect the blood-alcohol level to be higher.
The same can be said for barbiturates, which were also found in Jimi’s case. It is the barbiturate level in the blood stream and not any pills found in the stomach that is important to intoxication. If someone is found dead and has several undissolved barbiturate pills in the stomach and the blood level of barbiturates is low, then the barbiturates were very recently ingested and did not cause the death. On the other hand if the pills in the stomach are dissolved or if none are found and the level of barbiturate in the blood is high, then indeed a barbiturate overdose could be the cause of death. I could find no official autopsy report on Hendrix but only many allusions to the fact that he had taken a large dose of barbiturates. Whether this was from finding pills in his stomach or from finding high barbiturate blood levels is unclear and this is very important.
So the answer to the questions I posed early is the alcohol or barbiturates in the bloodstream that is important. One cannot get intoxicated from alcohol or drugs in the stomach but rather only from those that have absorbed into the bloodstream. Alcohol and drugs in the stomach cannot affect the brain whereas those in the bloodstream do. So if Jimi was not severely intoxicated, the question is why did he vomit and aspirate wine? The unknown here is what his blood barbiturate level was. If this was low, then a case for homicide, as Wright claims, could be made. But if it was high, high enough to cause nausea and vomiting, high enough to make Jimi stuporous and subject to aspiration, then he might very well have overdosed on barbiturates. It is possible he could have consumed a massive amount of wine just before he became stuporous and then aspirated this wine into his lungs and drowned. We may never know what the truth is but I surely wish people would let James Marshall Hendrix rest and simply listen to all of his wonderful music."

stplsd
06-10-10, 09:06 PM
And many non-'Star' names are in this mix. I see that I have to spell it out for you : Danneman, Wilson, Jeffrey, Douglas, etc. (sheesh!)

I already mentioned Wilson, the others all died quite a time after Hendrix and in a different country to very little press attention. If you had been following the debate on this thread to that point you would clearly see that what I was responding to was the notion that Hendrix' death at he time (ie when he died) was not that of "Oh just another rock n roll casualty" as has been surmised by many, and that in fact there were non at the time, apart from Brian Jones (sheesh!)



Your 'cheer-leaders' were more of a threat than you are able to comprehend.

According to?


When it became obvious that the ones that were of 'interest' could not be co-opted (if the attempt was even made - we do know Jimi was 'contacted')

Do we know that Jimi was Oooh! "contacted"... spooky.
I've not seen it?
What would they expect Jimi to do? Get the kids to stand up for the national anthem? dedicate songs to the soldiers fighting in Vietnam and Cambodia? Make sure that he didn't speak out against the war directly? maybe?


(does the phrase 'nip-it-in-the-bud' ring a bell?)

Nip what? he'd been pretty huge for three years hadn't got himself involved in any outspoken statements against the Vietnam war, the only anti Vietnam war gig he did was a fiasco.
What would Jimi's percieved threat to the establishement be at this time, that would warrant such a messy murder?


In my opinion, a rock star of Jimi's stature, already pushing a 'religion',

He proposed no organised agenda ever, mainly taking the piss out of plain-clothes detectives. And sometimes being vaguely anti-war. Voicing limited support for the Panthers occaisionally to a mainly "white" audience.


anyoneand then merging with politcal aspirations - yeah, such an individual could achieve even more power than imaginable.

What were these political aspirations he had that were obviously apparent to the powers that be/ his fans/himself etc. at the time? He appears to have been struggling to get his own scene in order never mind organising anything else.


some cheer-leader, ey?

The best. Okay a bit of a subversive too, I've said it myself before.

stplsd
06-10-10, 09:13 PM
Many thanks, great find and great research, stplsd. This solves one big question or at leasts busts one myth. I always believed that the vesparax paralyzed his gaging reflex which caused him to choke on his own vomit. As plausible as this may always have sounded, the reality is apparently more complex.

The barbs that were in his system at death were enough to at least "impair" his gag reflex, and his cough reflex in the operation of preventing him choking on matter going down his throat, or of waking, there is nothing that unusual in this.

You really should try reading the posts in this thread more thoroughly, all of this has been covered, and as for the "missing" guitar it was well documented, until Monika's death and is presumed to be in her husband/boyfriends' possesion.

ilovejimi
06-10-10, 09:21 PM
of the Nine pills he supposedly, how many got into the blood streem-- for all we know, he vomited them back up. Were'nt a few found still in the stomach.

ilovejimi
06-10-10, 09:22 PM
how does all this wine get into his system if the pills knocked him out

stplsd
06-10-10, 09:35 PM
of the Nine pills he supposedly, how many got into the blood streem-- for all we know, he vomited them back up. Were'nt a few found still in the stomach.

We only have Monika's word on how many he took. The autopsy results published in Brown's book (from a copy of the original sent to him by Thurston in 1976) give the actual amounts in his system. Doctor Crompton who suceeded Teare (the autopsy Dr) (and had studied under him) explained the original autopsy findings, saying that the amount of barbs in his blood was at a toxic level [this is as consistent with both Dannemann's and the 1980 German study of Od's on Vesparax I quoted earlier as it is possible to be in the circumstances]

stplsd
06-10-10, 09:39 PM
how does all this wine get into his system if the pills knocked him out

It's explained above, several times, how he could have drank the wine before he conked out.

ilovejimi
06-10-10, 09:54 PM
It's explained above, several times, how he could have drank the wine before he conked out.

so is it a suicide, murder, accident, accidental murder, recklessness or.

stplsd
06-10-10, 10:05 PM
so is it a suicide, murder, accident, accidental murder, recklessness or.

Not proven

Herman Cherusken
06-10-10, 10:07 PM
What would Jimi's percieved threat to the establishement be at this time, that would warrant such a messy murder?

What about his totally rebellious anti-establishment approach, influencing and being an iconic figure within the counter culture, the antiwar-, youth-student-campus-, anti-capitalist movements, and as such a major threat against the established order of the day....

souldoggie
06-10-10, 10:22 PM
so is it a suicide, murder, accident, accidental murder, recklessness or.

One thing for sure is that no one was there for him in that room when he needed them most.

MourningStar
06-10-10, 10:40 PM
... blah blah woof woof ...your 'approach' to replies on this site (and not just this topic), as you pointed out earlier, triggered something that I finally nailed (you're selective copy-paste skills was the clincher). Perhaps this will be of some help. You need to throw out your zoom lens and replace it with a wide-angle. You remind me of certain 'preachers' that take Scriptural doctrine completely out of context when they target one verse and then 'build' their pontifications on that one text, totally ignoring verses/chapters prior and after. Next time, when you deconstruct someone's point, try and 'see' the entire picture. in other words, address the whole text and not just the phrases within. Otherwise, you're just rambling ...

MourningStar
06-10-10, 11:00 PM
so is it a suicide, murder, accident, accidental murder, recklessness or.it's 'or'!

stplsd
06-10-10, 11:36 PM
your 'approach' [...]. Otherwise, you're just rambling ...


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stplsd
06-10-10, 11:40 PM
so is it a suicide, murder, accident, accidental murder, recklessness or.

One thing for sure is that no one was there for him in that room when he needed them most.

No surprise they don't want to talk about it

Ezy Rider
06-10-10, 11:43 PM
well, let me join this boring method of commenting on comments on comments . . .


The barbs that were in his system at death were enough to at least "impair" his gag reflex, and his cough reflex in the operation of preventing him choking on matter going down his throat, or of waking, there is nothing that unusual in this.

since you are so strict on words, let's see what the dictionaries say:

"The pharyngeal reflex or gag reflex is a reflex (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,reflex/) contraction of the back of the throat, evoked by touching the soft palate (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,soft%20palate/), that prevents something from entering the throat except as part of normal swallowing (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,swallowing/). This helps prevent choking (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,choking/)."

"Choking is the mechanical obstruction of the flow of air from the environment into the lungs. Choking prevents breathing (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,breath/), and can be partial or complete, with partial choking allowing some, although inadequate, flow of air into the lungs. Prolonged or complete choking results in asphyxiation (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,asphyxiation/) which leads to hypoxia (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,hypoxia/) and is potentially fatal."

"The cough (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,cough/) reflex (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,reflex/) has both sensory (afferent) and motor (efferent) pathways. The internal laryngeal nerve (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,laryngeal%20nerve/) carries the sensory information away from the area above the glottis (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,glottis/) in the trachea (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,Vertebrate%20trachea/) to the CNS via cranial nerve (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,cranial%20nerve/) X (vagus (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,vagus/)). Stimulation of this area by dust or other foreign particles produces a cough, which is necessary to remove the foreign material from the respiratory tract before it reaches the lungs (bword://!!ARV6FUJ2JP,lungs/)."

The issue centers on what obstructed the air to his lungs resulting in the poor Jimi's death. If the vomit had obstructed his throat, he would have had air in his lungs. He had not. One lung was filled with wine. This means he did not die from choking on his vomit but from the wine in his lungs. I am not sure if this is the same as asphyxiation, but for the law there should be a difference between choking on your own vomit and being drowned in wine which can impossibly be self applied.

This is a crucial difference and what this thread is all about. Jimi's death was an open verdict, and we here at CTT and everybody else can hypothesize about the causes of his death.

You really should try reading the posts in this thread more thoroughly, all of this has been covered,

Yeah, in your own imagination. Covered, maybe. Solved or answered, no.

and as for the "missing" guitar it was well documented, until Monika's death and is presumed to be in her husband/boyfriends' possesion.

well, doesn't "presumed to be" mean "missing"? I arrest my case.

"and now enough of this rubbish" . . .

MourningStar
06-10-10, 11:51 PM
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stplsd
06-11-10, 12:04 AM
well, let me join this boring method of commenting on comments on comments
since you are so strict on words, let's see what the dictionaries say:

Ha-ha check my earlier postS where I already quoted at least two of these


One lung was filled with wine.
As I already mentioned it contained 400ml of fluid (the composition of which is unspecified, no doubt contained a large proportion of wine, but who's to say what that proportion was.



This means he did not die from choking on his vomit but from the wine in his lungs. The wine was only the biggest part of the vomit, he choked on mostly liquid. You can read Bannisters original post in this thread. his death was described as by 'inhalation' of vomit, to describe someone's death as 'by drowning' would normally imply that they had fallen into quite deep water and been submerged.


Yeah, in your own imagination. Covered, maybe. Solved or answered, no.
Duh? "Covered, maybe" - "covered" is exactly what I said. I didn't say anything had been solved. "Answered" of course much has been answered, but whether satisfactorily or not, is the question.


well, doesn't "presumed to be" mean "missing"? I arrest my case.


They took drugs, of course, but why would they take his guitar (I believe still unaccounted for up to this day)?

ie you are implying that Jimi's guitar was taken by the roadies & was missing from when he died. I pointed out that it's whereabouts were well known as Monika had it from then until her death. There is no good reason as far as I know for it not being in Monika's boyfriend's (or whatever he was) possesion, unless someone's got info to the contrary, but that's beside the point.

Ezy Rider
06-11-10, 12:50 AM
sigh . . ., still more comments.

comments on words, comments on semantics, comments on references, comments on own words, and all off-topic. This all doesn't change anything of my argument. You can do better than that, brother.

stplsd
06-11-10, 01:02 AM
sigh . . ., still more comments.

comments on words, comments on semantics, comments on references, comments on own words, and all off-topic. This all doesn't change anything of my argument. You can do better than that, brother.

Yes, comments you apparently cannot answer to;-) because they are true. As I mentioned your argument was already on the thread. You can do better than that, or can you?

Try reading the previous posts you might learn something;-)

Ezy Rider
06-11-10, 01:04 AM
Try reading the previous posts you might learn something;-)

Try reading what people are actually saying, you might learn something :-)

stplsd
06-11-10, 01:22 AM
I would like to know who was in Monica's hotel room that morning.
Can someone please list for me all those we know who visited and entered Monica's hotel room while Jimi lay dead?

Monica Dannemann (the incompetent and delusional, at best, groupie)
Reg Jones (senior ambulance attendant)
John Saua (ambulance attendant)
Gerry Stickles (Hendrix management)
Terry Slater (War or Eric Burdon (or both) roadie)

Alvinia Bridges (she has the two above roadies arriving after the ambulance)
Monika has Eric Barrett & Gerry there

Arrived as he was being carried out:
PC Ian Smith
PC Tom Keene

stplsd
06-11-10, 01:29 AM
Try reading what people are actually saying, you might learn something :-)

I do, and I've learnt a lot over the years for which I'm very grateful.

Scrum Drum
06-11-10, 01:36 AM
Not sure what you mean by this? What was witnessed?



Devon was running around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix. It was witnessed by the people around her at the time. It can be found out with some research. If I find the exact quotes and sources I'll post them.

If you aren't aware that Devon was telling people she and Jimi had made an attempt to clean-up and get their acts together it is you who is short on Hendrix knowledge. To question people to an extreme degree over every single speck of known Hendrix knowledge crosses the line from sincere devil's advocacy to advocating the devil like a defense lawyer who knows damned well his client is Jack The Ripper but takes heart in defending him because he enjoys it. ;-) That, sir, is an exercise I would rather not participate in because I feel it is not a sincere effort. Truth be known, Devon was running around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix. Just like many of the other strange happenings related to the Hendrix case Devon ended up dead in strange uninvestigated circumstances just like Jimi. That, of course, doesn't provoke deserved suspicion but instead draws an opportunity for attacking those who point it out with ridiculous exercises in absurd denial sophistry. You can deny these circumstances any way you like, myself, I'll stick to my common sense if it's OK with you. If you aren't aware of Devon's insistence that she and Jimi were cleaning-up then YOU need to catch-up not me. You are the one who is lacking here not me.



Ha-ha-ha it's you that is claiming something, I'm just pointing out the inconcistencies in various arguments, including the "autopsy report" contents as transcripted by Tony Brown. And you have signally failed to provide any evidence for your claims, merely reiterating your previous unsubstantiated claims, claiming secret knowledge not available to the rest of us. "I think", yes, you think but so what?


Your entries are sub-par in substance. There's a simple way to cut right through your smoke screen of obfuscation. The autopsy sheets are out there and contain the correct forensic data by which to evaluate this incident. In short your response above shows no respect for or even basic grasp of what is being said. Henderson provides the basic autopsy data with the relevant information to draw forensic conclusions.




Get away with what? Check the variety of theories here, there and in publications there is no unanimity!


There's a logical flaw in what you write. I believe you are denying basic facts that are arranged in steps that lead to basic conclusions. I suggest instead of accenting the differences you try acknowledging the similarities. I dare say, from your writings I think you fancy yourself as winning points and prevailing in the discussion, but I'm quite sure your input only serves to reinforce what I write in its conspicuous evasiveness.




Show me where Douglas claims Jeffery had Hendrix murdered? All I have seen is him saying the opposite. Why are only talking about Jeffery? I'm not, there's several claims out there just as valid.


That's a flagrant strawman. Douglas is only one of many witnesses. You focus solely on confusing what he witnessed, but so far you haven't disproven that Douglas is on record as saying he heard Jeffery admit he was "implicated" in Hendrix's death (2nd "alleged" confession).




So the strongest evidence you have is that part of the legal department of the government that might be concerned with this matter (ie not even the whole legal department, and certainly not the elected government of the UK) - that is if they even bothered to read his patently venal rubbish - ignored a trashy badly written book by someone who obviously barely knew Jimi and had very little contact with him claims in it "he told me" about a dead man who was in Spain when Hendrix died. "He told me" is not evidence. No one to my knowledge has petitioned them to re-open the case since his claim. They had already re-investigated the evidence earlier and thought there was no point in pursuing with the matter.


Tappy Wright has Jeffery-related credibility. He drove Bob Levine to pick-up mafia loans. He was around Jeffery enough to have a lot more credibility than internet posters who seem to be solely interested in destroying his credibility. Like I said, I believe Wright would pass a lie detector test on this. Furthermore I believe Wright was the type of personality, and deep enough into Jeffery's world, that Jeffery himself felt safe telling him. I believe the story and I think there's good reason to. But hey - I have a good suggestion. Let's investigate Wright and pull him in for cross examination in an official re-opening of the case. You think maybe we'll get more verification that way?





Listen mate, I've at least done you the courtesy of reading what you wrote and thinking about it before I replied. You have obviously not read much of what I wrote and have just made your mind up with out considering what I have said. I replied to this in my last post on your contribution. please refer to mine when replying. ie don't just say the same thing over as if it hasn't been challenged.


I'm new here and I don't know what the site limits are on open speech. But I will say you are backpeddling here rather visibly. I made some points in there that your answer doesn't come close to touching. And I feel your weak attempt to take command of the discussion is the pathetic evasion it is. I apologize to the site and will restrain myself to basic points if this type of debate isn't welcome. l will not patronize specious obfuscation being referred to as the guiding points of the discussion. Again, there are basic building blocks of undeniable facts here that are being blatantly dodged (And that includes the British Government)




I'm unaware that Monika said exactly how he was lying when she first woke up. Vomit is usually expelled not a gravity thing really, the more liquid the further it might travel. Is there no possibility that he may have vomited and turned around in a semi concious state, choking, before the full effect set in? he may have been moved from whatever this position you claim at some point? a possible resucitation attempt? or whatever, You appear to think there was no possibility of someone choking while lying down? the abulance men and doctors don't appear to agree with you.


Again, this is just a jumbled flow of irrelevant thoughts that have little to do with what I said. Jimi was said by Monika to have been in the bed. If Jimi was waterboarded then he was waterboarded in the position in which he was found. This is conclusively shown by the state of the vomit witnessed by the ambulance attendants. That vomit was said to be laying for a long period in the state in which it was originally expelled. Since the vomit shows us Jimi died laying on his back, then it is reasonable to conclude that Jimi was laying in the position in which he was found when he died. And since there was what Bannister called a "half bottle of wine in his hair alone" what you are seeing there is the criminal forensic of waterboarding murder. Jimi was found with his head on a pillow laying on the bed. In order for pure wine to get into his hair it would have not only had to miraculously separate out from the vomit but it would also have to flow up and against gravity. However if you think of Jimi's murderer(s) as tilting his head back to pour wine into his lungs the flow path is perfect for wine to saturate his hair. This is exactly what was seen in the criminal forensic evidence.





Whatever the amount of barbs it doesn't hit you right away, tablets can take a while. There's nothing to say he didn't take them in stages. I've taken plenty of barbs (tuinol etc, not tried Vesparax), mandrax in my time, usually when drunk, as have most of my friends & aquaintances, your talking to someone who knows.


You are avoiding a very basic forensic argument here. The autopsy data is firm that Jimi's barbiturate blood level was 3.9mg percent of blood. There's two things we need here. First we need an expert to tell us exactly how long it would have taken Jimi's blood to reach that level if he had ingested 9 Vesparax tablets? Also we need to know what level of functioning Jimi would have with that dose? I suspect it would be a knock-out dose and Jimi would be unconscious.

Now we go back to Monika's story. Nowhere does she mention Jimi chugging any wine in a way that would result in the death scene. In fact she tells of sleeping right next to Jimi. The death scene tells us Jimi died in a convulsive, violent way. So there's no way Monika was snoozing comfortably right next to Jimi the whole time. She's caught dead to rights and obviously lying. It's also evident that those who seek to deny the murder evidence desperately need to destroy Bannister and his credibility. They need to reduce or deny the amount of wine witnessed at the scene and inside Hendrix. They need to do this because they obviously know that once they admit to a large amount of wine that doesn't register in the blood there's no escaping the forensic evidence of murder. But what would a post-waterboarding scene look like? Just coincidentally it would look exactly like the death scene. It would have conspicuously spilled pure wine and strange unexplained wine flooding the stomach and lungs and the victim would be covered in his own vomit. Not to mention crazy stories from the only witness that don't add up. Even the naysayers admit this. If we are going to honor the guiding points these are them.





Bannister's estimates of quantity are worthlessly subjective, and as mentioned repeatedly it is reported he was struck off (a very serious punishment) for being a fraudster.



Bannister's license was most likely revoked in order to destroy his credibility exactly in the way you are doing. I openly charge this. Once again, I think you might not understand how strongly your arguments work for what I'm alleging. Please note Bannister's destruction is right in line with intelligence tactics. What does that tell you?

Any fool would see Bannister's witnessing is corroborated in a forensic way in the spilled wine at the scene as well as the violent death vomiting which occurs when a person drowns. But there were other people who worked besides Bannister who could verify this large amount of suctioned wine. I leave it up to others to decide if they want to take the word of a trained medical doctor or internet poster bent on denying the obvious. Was the 'towel' around Jimi's neck accidentally soaked in wine while Jimi delicately ate finger sandwiches? Or was that just Monika routinely using wine to wash Jimi's face? (most of which ended up deep in his lungs and stomach)





It's not " The British Government" that's a ludicrously grand claim, it was Gavin Thurston, an individual, the coroner for that part of London. The "British Government" was I'm sure mostly unaware of Hendrix and if they were, were generally quite uninterested and/or vaguely disgusted/tittilated, or some other frivilous emotion, by his life and death. He only stayed in the UK as a resident for about 18 months at the most.



There's only one way to resolve this. Re-open the case and see how the British Government, through Scotland Yard, dealt with the specifics of the case? No problem with Monika not quite making it to court, eh?

Which only heightens his importance considering he got a Blue Plaque. Once again you tend to interpret things oppositely.




Nonsense. The coroner (ie not "The British Government") was only interested in Stickells (let's not forget Stickells) & her testimony that Jimi was not suicidal. The rest of her statement was consistent with the other witnesses and the autopsy. The police and autopsy had given him no reason to suspect foul play. There would obviously have been quite a bit of chat going on between him and other parties, unrecorded unfortunately.


If I'm not mistaken you are ignoring in plain sight that it was the irrefutable inconsistencies in Monika's stories that brought us here in the first place. I'm glad you did that in public. All you are doing above is confirming the British Inquest was woefully incompetent and missed basic evidence of lies. Incompetent to the degree of malfeasance. They never even bothered to determine a time of death. Could it be possible the Inquest rushed Jimi's case because he was killed by a British MI-5 agent connected to a major ally? Maybe?




Yeah, to you, but obviously not to anyone in authority, he may of course have been murdered, but that's assumng a lot, then again more probably not, there is no evidence he was. Nobody with any standing appears to think so.


So you can just trust governments all the time at their word and they never have ulterior motives? There are no political assassinations because governments are always honest and always tell the truth?


Instead of these tedious parsings we should be concentrating on the forensic 'golden hour' when Jimi got back to the Samarkand. The coroner said Jimi had undigested rice in his stomach contents. He also said it takes about 4 hours for the stomach to clear its contents. Since Jimi was witnessed eating that rice between 11pm and midnight that means he died somewhere between 3 and 4am. But we also have to allow a time period for Jimi's blood to reach 3.9mg barbiturate. This forensic evidence is important because it means Jimi died at a time that Monika can't even remotely account for in her version. So if she did "wash sick off Jimi's face with wine" it was at a time where she obviously knew he had died violently. This was during a critical time period before Monika had any chance to sleep. Monika washed sick off a man's face that she was well aware was just murdered. But let's get down to it - Monika was making an excuse for the wine and probably didn't wash anything. What she did was cover for her knowledge of Jimi's waterboarding.

stplsd
06-11-10, 02:30 AM
If you aren't aware that
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place>Devon</st1:place> was telling people she and Jimi had made an attempt to clean-up and get their acts together it is you who is short on Hendrix knowledge.
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Well duh? that's why I asked, I don't have knowledge of this, sounds like gossip<o:p></o:p>
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To question people to an extreme degree<o:p></o:p>
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What is extreme about asking people to back up their assertions? You're seriously asking me to accept anything anyone says without any form of evidence? <o:p></o:p>
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<st1:place>Devon</st1:place> ended up dead in strange uninvestigated circumstances. just like Jimi. <o:p></o:p>
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No not like Jimi, there's reams of testimony, public records, press. relating to his death. <st1:place>Devon</st1:place> - nothing a complete blank. Why does no one seem to know anything about her death, apart from she supposedly fell from a window in the <st1:City><st1:place>Chelsea</st1:place></st1:City>?<o:p></o:p>
No one appears to have been interested in her at the time. Did she even fall from the window what evidence is there, who was it said she did?<o:p></o:p>
For all their professed interest I've never heard of anyone actually trying to find anything concrete about what actually happened to her, very sad.<o:p></o:p>
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The autopsy sheets are out there and contain the correct forensic data by which to evaluate this incident. In short your response above shows no respect for or even basic grasp of what is being said. <o:p></o:p>
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Try reading what I've written. I've been quoting extensively from Brown's book (1998) which contains the autopsy info. etc. etc. in much greater depth that Henderson's (2008 update to his old book) I understand what's being said, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. You very obviously don't even read what's being said therefore you can't even begin to understand. I've put up documents links quotes etc. You've given nohing but your assertion, mr. whoever you are.<o:p></o:p>
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<st1:City><st1:place>Henderson</st1:place></st1:City> provides the basic autopsy data with the relevant information to draw forensic conclusions.<o:p></o:p>
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Along with a lot of ridculous, unreadable Mills and Boone fantasy & obnoxious attitudes.<o:p></o:p>
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There's a logical flaw in what you write.<o:p></o:p>
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You've got a cheek, you put 2&2 together and come up with 10, with out offering anything but "because I said so"<o:p></o:p>
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But so far you haven't disproven that
<st1:place>Douglas</st1:place> is on record as saying he heard Jeffery admit he was "implicated" in Hendrix's death (2nd "alleged" confession). <o:p></o:p>
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I don't have to, I didn't say he definitely didn't say this. I just asked you to tell us where this can found - you haven't... so?. There are several quotes where he says the opposite though.<o:p></o:p>
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<o:p></o:p>You've said nothing new at great length<o:p></o:p>

purple jim
06-11-10, 06:27 AM
This is getting silly. Just look at Dannemans actions:

Theory 1 - Danneman was part of the hit squad
I can't see a (professional?) team recruiting Danneman who had a relatively poor command of English and was emotionally unrealiable - she became infatuated with Jimi (her erratic behaviour earlier in the night, etc.). She fell in love with her victim? Come on.
Unless you say that she was simply desperatly trying to get Jimi back to the Samarkand for his rendez-vous with the killers and it turned into a row as Jimi refused to go back there at her command.
If she is considered as being a willing part of the "team" then her call to Burdon must be viewed as excellent acting. Was she that much of a pro?

Theory 2 - Danneman was threatened into silence
So the killers burst in, killed Jimi while she was restrained and threatened her with a terrible death if she went to the police.
This seems just too risky for the theoretical killers.
In this case Danneman's panic calls just don't fit. In such an uncontrolable, terrified state, she would have surely broken down and told the others what had really happened. Unless that death threat was really terrifying.

Either way, there is no hit squad for me. It just doesn't work with Danneman in the picture.

Theory 3 - Danneman killed Hendrix
Witnesses have that said she had been violently abusive to Jimi earlier that night. At the Samarkand, as the unconscious Jimi lay there, a little drunk, stoned and sedated by the Vesperex that she admitted she have given him in two seperate doses, she lost her senses and forced a bottle into Jimi's throat. He immediately vomited profusely (reflex) but the wine kept coming until it filled his stomach, pushing up more stomach contents (mixed with wine) into his lungs. If Jimi's unconscious body fought back, the ex-sportswoman Danneman maintained the pressure.
"…his tongue had fallen back" said Reginal Jones (the ambulance attendant), this perhaps being a sign that the bottle being forced into his mouth had caused this.
The other attendant John Saua : "The vomit was all the way down, we couldn't have got an airway down." As Jimi's unconscious body struggled to breath the bottle held by Danneman prevented more vomit from being ejected and it remained in his trachea and lungs, finally setting hard once he had passed away and the vomit reflexes had ceased.

Theory 4 - Jimi simply choked to death
Did Danneaman really nip out for fags when Jimi got into difficulty? Or was she out cold next to him? We'll never know.
We are at a dead end with this one if we throw out Bannister's account of the enormous quantities of wine. We just can't see Jimi drinking that much wine, but that's just our speculation.
Would a sedated Hendrix vomit all over the himself and the bed, still leaving his airways blocked up at the same time,…and swallow his tongue?
If we are to trust Danneman's account, she said she saw only a little vomit when she came back to Jimi. It just doesn't fit. If she had discoverd Jimi completely swimming in vomit and blue in the face, her call to Burdon would have sounded very different.
No accident.

I go for theory 3 my dear Watson.

Fenders Fingers
06-11-10, 08:08 AM
"This is getting silly."

Getting?

ilovejimi
06-11-10, 08:36 AM
Not proven
that really is the Bottom Line :wave:

hawkfan369
06-11-10, 08:41 AM
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ilovejimi
06-11-10, 08:46 AM
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lol

Herman Cherusken
06-11-10, 09:08 AM
This is getting silly. Just look at Dannemans actions:

Theory 1 - Danneman was part of the hit squad
I can't see a (professional?) team recruiting Danneman who had a relatively poor command of English and was emotionally unrealiable - she became infatuated with Jimi (her erratic behaviour earlier in the night, etc.). She fell in love with her victim? Come on.
Unless you say that she was simply desperatly trying to get Jimi back to the Samarkand for his rendez-vous with the killers and it turned into a row as Jimi refused to go back there at her command.
If she is considered as being a willing part of the "team" then her call to Burdon must be viewed as excellent acting. Was she that much of a pro?

Theory 2 - Danneman was threatened into silence
So the killers burst in, killed Jimi while she was restrained and threatened her with a terrible death if she went to the police.
This seems just too risky for the theoretical killers.
In this case Danneman's panic calls just don't fit. In such an uncontrolable, terrified state, she would have surely broken down and told the others what had really happened. Unless that death threat was really terrifying.

Either way, there is no hit squad for me. It just doesn't work with Danneman in the picture.

Theory 3 - Danneman killed Hendrix
Witnesses have that said she had been violently abusive to Jimi earlier that night. At the Samarkand, as the unconscious Jimi lay there, a little drunk, stoned and sedated by the Vesperex that she admitted she have given him in two seperate doses, she lost her senses and forced a bottle into Jimi's throat. He immediately vomited profusely (reflex) but the wine kept coming until it filled his stomach, pushing up more stomach contents (mixed with wine) into his lungs. If Jimi's unconscious body fought back, the ex-sportswoman Danneman maintained the pressure.
"…his tongue had fallen back" said Reginal Jones (the ambulance attendant), this perhaps being a sign that the bottle being forced into his mouth had caused this.
The other attendant John Saua : "The vomit was all the way down, we couldn't have got an airway down." As Jimi's unconscious body struggled to breath the bottle held by Danneman prevented more vomit from being ejected and it remained in his trachea and lungs, finally setting hard once he had passed away and the vomit reflexes had ceased.

Theory 4 - Jimi simply choked to death
Did Danneaman really nip out for fags when Jimi got into difficulty? Or was she out cold next to him? We'll never know.
We are at a dead end with this one if we throw out Bannister's account of the enormous quantities of wine. We just can't see Jimi drinking that much wine, but that's just our speculation.
Would a sedated Hendrix vomit all over the himself and the bed, still leaving his airways blocked up at the same time,…and swallow his tongue?
If we are to trust Danneman's account, she said she saw only a little vomit when she came back to Jimi. It just doesn't fit. If she had discoverd Jimi completely swimming in vomit and blue in the face, her call to Burdon would have sounded very different.
No accident.

I go for theory 3 my dear Watson.

Well summarized, theory 3 with possible slight variations is the strongest bet in my book...

stplsd
06-11-10, 09:44 AM
that really is the Bottom Line :wave:

Ha-ha-ha, nice one

Ezy Rider
06-11-10, 11:03 AM
my chips on 3 too, please.

Scrum Drum
06-11-10, 11:03 AM
No not like Jimi, there's reams of testimony, public records, press. relating to his death. <ST1:place>Devon</ST1:place> - nothing a complete blank. Why does no one seem to know anything about her death, apart from she supposedly fell from a window in the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:City><ST1:place>Chelsea</ST1:place></st1:City>?<O:p></O:p>
No one appears to have been interested in her at the time. Did she even fall from the window what evidence is there, who was it said she did?<O:p></O:p>
For all their professed interest I've never heard of anyone actually trying to find anything concrete about what actually happened to her, very sad.


In my opinion there's a much more intelligent and sophisticated way of looking into this other than the cheapest excuse method. I personally feel there's enough background here of Jeffery's MI-5 and mafia membership to suggest the New York City police laid off any serious investigation of Devon's death. Look at what we are seeing here. We are seeing suggestion of possible intel involvement with Jimi's death and an unexplainable lack of interest shown by the British investigators. In my mind the way Devon's strange death and subsequent non-investigation should be viewed is either intel or mafia corruption of the New York City police lead to the non-investigation of a person who would have very little establishment credibility to back her. Her death could be easily non-investigated simply by subtle discrimination. But the real reason would be a true investigation of her death and its true circumstances - just like all roads lead to Rome, would uncover evidence of yet another mafia or intel hit designed to cover-up the real reason for Hendrix's death. This has COINTELPRO written all over it in big letters. I suggest, without any gratuitous personal animosity, that if you stay on this evidence train and don't jump off at the first excuse you'll see it is headed towards a seriously scandalous destination. Devon was hit because she wouldn't shut-up and she might have spurred credible public interest in the real terms of Jimi's death. Most likely by the same group that kidnapped Hendrix and was available for Jeffery in New York. Notice the same heroin overdose rumor used on Devon.


Did you ever wonder why Devon's death was "a complete blank"?





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Try reading what I've written. I've been quoting extensively from Brown's book which contains the autopsy info. etc. etc. I understand what's being said, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. You very obviously don't even read what's being said therefore you can't even begin to understand. I've put up documents links quotes etc. You've given nohing but your assertion, mr. whoever you are.<O:p></O:p>


I've made undeniable forensic points that can't be ignored without cost of credibility. I'll let others decide why you chose not to answer them. Simple enough.



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You're dodging. We can safely say, at minimum, you've failed to show where anything I wrote is false or disproven.

stplsd
06-11-10, 12:08 PM
I've made undeniable forensic points that can't be ignored without cost of credibility

No you haven't. You've just painted a scenario, there's no grand, overwhelming "forensic analyisis" in your story, it's just your inexpert opinion based on a very old memory of the ambulance drivers that there was a lot of vomit which included vomited (and quite possibly also spilt) red wine on and about hendrix where he lay (not surprising in any way), no one disputes that. No one disputes Monika's story changed.


you've failed to show where anything I wrote is false or disproven.

That's because I haven't said what you wrote in neccessarily false or whatever. I've merely pointed out that you have given no credible evidence for what is merely an assertion.

A little more info
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Food. A number of factors influence the absorption process, including the presence of food and the type of food in the gastrointestinal tract when alcohol is consumed. The rate at which alcohol is absorbed depends on how quickly the stomach empties its contents into the intestine. The higher the dietary fat content, the more time this emptying will require and the longer the process of absorption will take. One study found that subjects who drank alcohol after a meal that included fat, protein, and carbohydrates absorbed the alcohol about three times more slowly than when they consumed alcohol on an empty stomach.
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Scrum Drum
06-11-10, 12:27 PM
This is getting silly. Just look at Dannemans actions:

Theory 1 - Danneman was part of the hit squad
I can't see a (professional?) team recruiting Danneman who had a relatively poor command of English and was emotionally unrealiable - she became infatuated with Jimi (her erratic behaviour earlier in the night, etc.). She fell in love with her victim? Come on.
Unless you say that she was simply desperatly trying to get Jimi back to the Samarkand for his rendez-vous with the killers and it turned into a row as Jimi refused to go back there at her command.
If she is considered as being a willing part of the "team" then her call to Burdon must be viewed as excellent acting. Was she that much of a pro?



Well, let's look into Dannemann's background. Dannemann dated black musicians in Germany. In the late 1960's a white German woman preferring black men was considered a psychological abnormality. J Edgar Hoover was know to openly abhor inter-racial couples. She very much fits the psychological profile for a potential black ops infiltrator. Could it be that Dannemann was a chosen and destined infiltrator spook from the start who was groomed in Germany to date black musicians specifically for the intention of approaching a key "Security Index" target?

Let's go right to it. Once you are at the threshold of this creepy government black ops magic kingdom you might as well open the door and peer in. Jeffery was MI-5 and spoke of black ops involving killing. Once you establish potential psy-ops/blacks ops involvement you are opening a Pandora's Box that involves some very creepy and fantastic things. The MK-ULTRA mind-control programs were not used for children's birthday parties. Jimi Hendrix existed in an LSD-fueled world that was cut-out for this kind of thing. The borders between MK-ULTRA and Jimi's magic world were probably very blurred. As crazy as it sounds once you touch the threshold of these players you have to at least consider the possibility of the full extent of their most secret and creepy programs. If you read Monika's book when she met Jimi they both made note of the similar rare large jade stone in their jewelry. This could have been a hypnotic trigger. According to Monika Jimi then said "You are the one I've been looking for all my life" and described how she was the woman he had been destined for (more than he realized).

The strange things that don't make sense about Dannemann can be explained by this mind-cracking. Monika Dannemann was a woman who was swung into Jimi's world and immediately told by Jimi that she was his destined soulmate. She was then away from Jimi but closely swung back into his world at the time of his death. She's a perfect profile for intelligence operation infiltrator from the cold war province of American-occupied Germany. What I think some don't realize is the fantasist world Etchingham ridicules Dannemann for might be something that exists in her mind for reasons other than craziness. Monika's dual personalities and roles all sincerely stuck with through the years could be the sign of a mind split by hypnotic programming. In this case she wouldn't have to be a shrewd and sinister 'pro' she would just have to be an innocent German girl victimized by some very evil black operators.


If this incredible hypnosis theory isn't true, then we could see Monika as a sweet and innocent gullible woman who fell for one of Jimi's pick-up lines and took it literally. Who knows what kind of borderline reality Jimi was living under when he met Monika. Maybe there was some kind of psychic resonation when he met Monika. Jimi was a cosmic figure, I wouldn't be surprised if he psychically picked-up the fact Monika was going to hold a special place in his life. Jimi was a charismatic personality so maybe Monika was seduced by his being. In any case I think she then prepared herself for this special cosmic relationship with Jimi as shown in her book. I disagree with Etchingham on Monika's relationship with Jimi. I think she wrote enough in her book to show she had direct knowledge of Jimi's inner-most personal mythology. I think this shows that she was at least there.

How Monika was swung into Jimi's surroundings during the last week is unknown. From her writings it doesn't sound like Jeffery hired her as another spy like Devon. But maybe she took up the offer in order to get close to Jimi again? If this is true then maybe she was 'innocently' involved. She could have then stepped out for cigarettes when Jeffery's crew came to "have a talk with Jimi". They could have told her to "go fetch some cigarettes would you love?" Or maybe Monika was called away from the flat under some kind of pretext and never saw the crew arrive? So when she came back she would then take the attitude that this had now gone to a level way beyond her ability to cope. This was way beyond her little magic Hendrix inner world. She had been royally set-up. So what she did was call Burdon and retreat into this silly story and let the others work it out. She would psychologically compensate for this by dedicating herself to her Atlantian Astral partner. The shock of the murder catapulted her into this magic world permanently. To live in Jeffery's world would be to acknowledge the dirty hell on earth that killed Jimi. How much Monika consciously knew will probably never be known.

Monika's poor English and emotional unreliability actually make her a better choice for patsy. It makes her more manipulatable and less credible. All you have to do is knock her off prior to being forced into court to explain her stories and she becomes the perfect mystery woman. What would really boggle my mind would be if the same hypnotic programming that was used in the first place was still in her mind and was triggered to get her to kill herself. There's a reason none of Hendrix's close friends knew who Monika was or ever heard of her. And there's probably a good reason why Monika's relationship to Jimi is so weird and unknown and why her actions and stories are so unexplainable. Maybe Monika didn't realize she was recruited? Maybe her job was just to be close to Jimi and get those super-strong Vesparax within Hendrix's reach? Maybe her job was as simple as not being there at the critical time? That would explain both her proximity to the condemning evidence as well as her "innocence". That would explain why she could be so close to the murder, claim it was an accident, AND suggest it was murder at the same time.

souldoggie
06-11-10, 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by Scrum Drum: Truth be known, Devon was running around telling people Jeffery murdered Hendrix.

I wouldn't put too much credence into what Devon purportedly said regarding her "Jeffery killed Jimi" conspiracy theory. Actually, Devon probably made that claim, but it's her motive that makes her statements suspect.
I recently had the pleasure of meeting and speaking at length with an acquittance of Devon's. They were co-workers (co-bunny's?) at the NYC Playboy Club, 1964-1966. They also ran in the same NYC circles in the years following their Playboy Club stint. They were even roommates for a short spell down in the village.

When I asked my new friend about the claims that Devon had fingered Jeffrey as Jimi's murderer, she didn't hesitate. She said that Devon was livid when Jeffrey cut her off the payroll immediately following Jimi's death. Apparently Devon was being paid a monthly stipend as an "assistant", gathering Jimi's mail, etc. But what really pissed off Devon is that she felt she should receive a substantial settlement from Jimi's estate and that Jeffrey told her to go fuck herself.

Devon's biggest threat to Jeffrey, a threat she made, and a threat with real non-imaginary implications, was that she told Jeffrey that if he didn't start paying up, she was going straight to the IRS. Now that was a real threat. My source said Jimi's NYC management office was big into cash and short on accounting records.

Interestingly, my friend said that the report(s?) of Devon being found dead on the sidewalk in front of the Chelsea Hotel were inaccurate. She told me that Devon was discovered by her (my source's) best friend...dead, naked with a needle hanging out of her arm, wedged in the door jam with half her body in her room and the other half in the Chelsea Hotel hallway.

When I asked if she thought it was an accidental overdose, she said it wouldn't surprise her one bit if Jeffrey had something to do with Devon's demise. She also said that she will never believe for one minute that Jeffrey killed Jimi or that he had him killed.

One more point: I'd like to emphasize that Devon hung out with Douglas and his crew, not Jeffrey. Now there's a conflict of interest if there ever was one.
Question: What source reported that Devon was thrown, jumped, or fell from her hotel room? I think it was in one of the very first books published after Jimi's death, I can't remember, but I do remember reading it way back then. I also can find no article/obituary in the NYT from February, 1971. Thanks in advance.

stplsd
06-11-10, 12:53 PM
. All you have to do is knock her off prior to being forced into court to explain her stories and she becomes the perfect mystery woman.

She knocked herself off AFTER being forced into court. She was already "the perfect mystery woman" for the last 25 years of her life.


There's a reason none of Hendrix's close friends knew who Monika was or ever heard of her.

Because she only spent one night with him in Germany, before she ended up stalking him to London where she spent a very short time in his company dodging around Kathy.

souldoggie
06-11-10, 12:57 PM
Because she only spent one night with him in Germany, before she ended up stalking him to London where she spent a very short time in his company dodging around Kathy.

True dat. LOFL.

stplsd
06-11-10, 12:58 PM
I recently had the pleasure of meeting and speaking at length with an acquittance of Devon's....

Many thanks for this interesting piece. And your archive research, pity nothing turned up. Did you manage to find out her real name?

manfree
06-11-10, 01:16 PM
What Say We Get STPLSD to write a Book, Close this thread and celebrate Jimi`s Life an` Music, an` not his Death, coz even I am getting bored with talking about the unanswerable questions.

Scrum Drum
06-11-10, 01:34 PM
Theory 4 - Jimi simply choked to death
Did Danneaman really nip out for fags when Jimi got into difficulty? Or was she out cold next to him? We'll never know.
We are at a dead end with this one if we throw out Bannister's account of the enormous quantities of wine. We just can't see Jimi drinking that much wine, but that's just our speculation.
Would a sedated Hendrix vomit all over the himself and the bed, still leaving his airways blocked up at the same time,…and swallow his tongue?
If we are to trust Danneman's account, she said she saw only a little vomit when she came back to Jimi. It just doesn't fit. If she had discoverd Jimi completely swimming in vomit and blue in the face, her call to Burdon would have sounded very different.
No accident.



If Jimi simply choked to death why would Monika go to such extremes to change the story? Was she worried about the legal ramifications of providing the Vesparax? Was she worried about retaliation from Jimi's fans?

I disagree that Jimi's not being a person to chug large amounts of wine, especially in combination with a high dose of sleeping pills, is "speculation". It's very important to note that there's a firm forensic factor ruling this. If Jimi had a 3.9mg barbiturate percent of blood it is very unlikely was he capable of lifting any bottles of wine. You have to look at this using the firm forensic determining factors. The forensics don't lie. We are well within a forensic window that insists Jimi died within a critical period in relation to ingesting the wine.

Bear with me here. It is reasonable to conclude that Jimi did not have hair, bed, clothes, and scarf around his neck soaked with wine from only two glasses worth of wine. We are well within the ballpark of reason to believe there was an amount of wine significantly greater than the two glasses worth found in the blood. No matter how much some use quick denial to get around this this corroborates Bannister and backs what he witnessed. You're just not thinking if you don't realize that the 5mg/100ml blood alcohol level found at the autopsy would be easily absorbed into the vomit seen at the scene. There's simply too much witnessed separation of pure wine, like that in the scarf or that in the hair, to allow any non-drowning in wine possibility. We are officially and conclusively within the necessary forensic evidence needed to prove waterboarding. You simply can't credibly entertain any accidental death scenario from the known forensics.

Monika's wild and conflicting stories only serve as evidence of this. And there's no way you can suggest Monika slept next to Jimi while this violent volcano of vomit happened.

Scrum Drum
06-11-10, 02:16 PM
When I asked if she thought it was an accidental overdose, she said it wouldn't surprise her one bit if Jeffrey had something to do with Devon's demise. She also said that she will never believe for one minute that Jeffrey killed Jimi or that he had him killed.



This is all you need to know. Thanks for writing it.


Perhaps Devon was taken and dumped outside in order to keep the Chelsea Hotel and its bohemian occupants from the heat.

What is important in what you wrote is that Devon was recorded as threatening Jeffery with the IRS. You see the reason Jeffery was worried about anyone tracing his money back to the Bahamian Yameta bank accounts is because those accounts were at the crossroads of some very serious CIA and mafia covert accounts that were kept there as part of a secret alliance between the mob and CIA during the Cold War. Jeffery had a lot more to worry about than just a court or the IRS. When Noel Redding asked about where the money was going he was quickly escorted out of the band. When Jimi Hendrix made legal moves to trace his money through a court he was found dead from waterboarding shortly after. There was a lot more at stake than just a crooked manager here. CIA did not want some of its most sensitive Cold War black ops secret accounts exposed. Read about it. Those banks associated with BCCI Bank were shut down in the 80's because it was discovered they were mostly dirty money laundries.

The reason those close to the situation just can't believe Jeffery would ever murder Hendrix is because they don't realize he had no choice. Jeffery was involved with forces well above and beyond any petty management embezzling as an ex-MI-5 agent who was the perfect go between for this kind of thing. As I said, there's good reason for all this confusion and non-investigation. It is highly likely as an ex-MI-5 agent Jeffery was directly involved in this CIA/mafia nexus and was a facilitator for these black ops funds back to the offshore dirty money laundry banks. His handling of lots of Hendrix cash would be perfect cover for this flow of dirty money. The monies were used by CIA to fund the worst of CIA's anti-communist black operations outside of government accounting. Jeffery was into something that he stood in peril over if exposed. Once you understand what was above and threatening Jeffery you can put his actions towards Hendrix and others in perspective. And this may even include the non-political Animals as well. Jeffery didn't rip-off both the Animals and Hendrix because he was a crazy thief, he did it because those poor groups didn't realize they had been resourced for a dirty ops funding program. When they enlisted Hendrix they had no idea he would grow into the monster he did and become uncontrollable. I hear Tappy Wright ran suitcases of money from Europe for Jeffery. It would be very ironic if Jimi Hendrix funded his own intelligence agency assassination.

stplsd
06-11-10, 02:34 PM
Bear with me here. It is reasonable to conclude that Jimi did not have hair, bed, clothes, and scarf around his neck soaked with wine from only two glasses worth of wine. We are well within the ballpark of reason to believe there was an amount of wine significantly greater than the two glasses worth found in the blood.

This is complete nonsense, nobody has suggested that there were "two gasses" worth of wine anywhere apart from yourself. What is your "two gasses" anyway - how long is a piece of string?
As I am getting fed up repeating, and to which you have yet to reply - undigested wine ie wine that hasn't left the stomach cannot contribute to blood alcohol in any significant way, see my post above, with link. Try reading it.


is violent volcano of vomit .

Ha-ha-ha, talk about exaggeration;-)

purple jim
06-11-10, 02:41 PM
Interesting!

souldoggie
06-11-10, 03:19 PM
It is highly likely as an ex-MI-5 agent Jeffery was directly involved in this CIA/mafia nexus and was a facilitator for these black ops funds back to the offshore dirty money laundry banks.

Huh?
I think Jeffrey didn't claim a bunch of income to the IRS and he didn't want to have to cough it up because of a junkie groupie ratting him out.
Sort of like my cleaning lady. Well, the part of her not reporting all of her income, not the junkie groupie part.

Look, what bugs me about conspriracy theorists is that they just can't get it through their head that two things can be true at the same time.
For instance, if in fact I'm correct, I have no proof:
1) Sharon perjures herself on the stand under oath.
2) A groupie or customs agent or circus clown put heroin in Jimi's bag.

1) Devon tried to shake down Jeffrey and he wanted her dead and he wished she'd just die and go away
2) Devon OD'd on heroin. Not that uncommon, right?

stplsd
06-11-10, 03:26 PM
Look, what bugs me about conspriracy theorists is that they just can't get it through their head that two things can be true at the same time.
For instance, if in fact I'm correct, I have no proof:
1) Sharon perjures herself on the stand under oath.
2) A groupie or customs agent or circus clown put heroin in Jimi's bag.

Well put

stplsd
06-11-10, 03:33 PM
What is important in what you wrote is that Devon was recorded as threatening Jeffery with the IRS.

I don't remember hearing anyone claim that Jeffery was ever a US citizen? If not, he could easily avoid having to pay much tax. It shouldn't have been too much of a worry to him, he seems to have had all that well covered.
What did he have to be so concerned about that he would have her killed her for quite probably empty threats. He had many enemies suposedly, why didn't he bump them off in case they "went to the IRS".

MourningStar
06-11-10, 03:51 PM
Look, what bugs me about conspriracy theorists is that they just can't get it through their head that two things can be true at the same time.souldoggie, tell us, in detail, why 'they can't'. Use your own examples in your explanation. -thnx.

purple jim
06-11-10, 04:00 PM
When Noel Redding asked about where the money was going he was quickly escorted out of the band.

Nah. Noel left of his own accord in the summer of 69. Than Jeffrey actually wanted Redding back in the band after the Band Of Gypsys fiasco. Remember that interview in early 1970 with Rolling Stone magazine? It was Jimi who decided to retain Billy Cox in the end, for personnal and musical reasons. Billy was after all more familiar with the newer material (I got that from Ayler's book).

MourningStar
06-11-10, 04:17 PM
When Noel Redding asked about where the money was going he was quickly escorted out of the band.Nah. Noel left of his own accord in the summer of 69. Than Jeffrey actually wanted Redding back in the band after the Band Of Gypsys fiasco. Remember that interview in early 1970 with Rolling Stone magazine? It was Jimi who decided to retain Billy Cox in the end, for personnal and musical reasons. Billy was after all more familiar with the newer material (I got that from Ayler's book).Noel leaving 'of his own accord' - not too different than in the professional business world where executives choose to 'resign' rather than get fired. Noel's alternative could have been worse than a mere 'sacking' in this scenario. Also, the 'Band Of Gypsys' path resulting in a fiasco can also be attributed to deliberate design/inside sinister workings when viewed from the theme of this topic. And that 11th-hour appearance of Noel that collapsed, I can't get a clear picture on that other than a Hendrix-Jeffrey power struggle that MJ lost. Yes, one can stand by what is documented, as your response seems to allude, but is it truth?