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Herman Cherusken
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· It still astonishes me when I meet people I consider knowledgeable who have no clue about Jimi Hendrix and his role in American music history. When you mention the name to them, "Acid Rock" is about all that comes to their mind. That, and the sound of screaming guitars, headbands, Woodstock, and the Star Spangled Banner. Others who are a bit more knowledgeable can name a few songs they like, an album, or perpetuate the myth that he died of a drug overdose. To them he is at best a best a Trivial Pursuit question. Someone who may be worthy of a tiny footnote somewhere in the dusty volumes of the Encyclopedia Brittanica for playing loud. Even among Hendrix fans, there are those who don't know that before he became famous he played with some of the top R&B and Blues acts in the world, bumped elbows with Rock and Roll legends, and witnessed as well as participated in the birth of an international musical evolution. The lessons he learned were firsthand. While most musicians like Eric Clapton and a host of other guitarists got their education from hours of copying licks and voraciously listening to records of their heroes, Jimi Hendrix walked among these heroes and was one of them. He was a very gifted guitarist and songwriter, but worked hard for it. He didn't come out of nowhere or pop out of the ground with his first album "Are You Experienced". It was a long hard road before he got there. Let me tell you about the Chitlin' Circuit.<o>

</o> · Chitlins' or Chitterlings, depending where you were brought up, are pig intestines. A delicacy with it's origins in the America South that branched out as African Americans moved to other parts of the United States and abroad. What was once the cheapest food available that slave masters threw away as kitchen scraps to their slaves, is now a staple part of the Black community's soul food menu. Cooked for many hours and spiced to taste, some people can't live without it. Especially during the holiday season. <o>

</o> · The Chitlin' Circuit was a string of music venues in the South that sold chitlins' and other soul food dishes. In the late 50's and early 60's these tours were crucial to Black artists like B.B. King, Solomon Burke, James Brown, and Jackie Wilson to name a few. Because there was no media coverage for these artists, the Chitlin' Circuit was the only way to perform for their fans.<o>

</o> · On July 2, 1962 an eighteen year old Jimi Hendrix was discharged from the United States Army and stood outside the gates of Fort Campbell at the Tennessee-Kentucky border with a duffel bag and three hundred dollars in his pocket. He went into a Jazz bar and came out with only sixteen dollars to his name. He was supposed to go back to his home town of Seattle, but no longer had the money to get there. He had to find work, and the only thing he could do was play guitar. He had recently sold his guitar to an Army buddy and decided to go back on base to find the man he sold it to. He begged the man until he gave it back to him as a loan.<o>

</o> · Jimi took up residence in Clarksdale and looked for work while he waited for his Army buddy and bassist Billy Cox to get discharged. They were in a band together and played various venues performing pop and R&B on base and in Clarksville as The Casuals. The name of the band later changed to The King Casuals. When Billy Cox was discharged after a few months they took the band to Nashville to play at the Del Morocco in Nashville. This was only the beginning. Jimi played where he could and he and Billy eventually joined another band called W&W Man. Like musicians today they were taken advantage of and cheated out of their hard earned money. It was then that Jimi felt cocky and decided to take a stab at New York City. He entered, competed, and won $25.00 at the Apollo amateur contest. After starving there for a few weeks, he returned to Clarksville to reform The King Casuals.<o>

</o> · In December of 1962 Jimi moved to Vancouver to stay with his grandmother and joined a popular R&B band in the area called Bobbie Taylor and the Vancouvers. One of the singers in the band was Tommy Chong of Cheech and Chong fame. In the Spring of 1963 Jimi returned to the South to Mississippi and was hired to play dates with Slim Harpo and Tommy Tucker who wrote "High Heel Sneakers". Jimi was part of their backing band and got his first taste of the Chitlin' Circuit. <o>

</o> · Most guitarists do all sorts of other jobs to keep mind and body together just to get that one gig or that one recording session. Then they go back to doing whatever put food on the table waiting for the next opportunity. Jimi was so employable. He simply hopped from one band to the next having already assimilated all the pop and R&B hits at the time. He wasn't just good. He was really really good. He had to be or he wouldn't be working. And if you don't work, you don't eat.<o>

</o> · In April of 1963 he returned to Nashville and joined another R&B band called The Imperials. Later The King Casuals reformed, and yet even later, Jimi returned to the Chitlin' Circuit to do a tour backing up Slim Harpo, Carla Lewis, Ironing Board Sam, and Nappy Brown. After the tour, Jimi joined Bob Fisher and the Barnesvilles. It was in this band that he played co-guitar with guitarist Larry Lee. They became long time friends and Larry eventually wound up playing with Jimi as the second guitarist at Woodstock. It was this band that later backed up The Marvelettes, Motown's first girl group and became a support group for a tour with Curtis Mayfield and The Impressions in Kentucky. People wonder where Jimi got his light touch for songs like "Little Wing". Well we can thank Curtis Mayfield for his influence.<o>

</o> · In the Winter of 63' Jimi got his share of broken promises and shattered dreams. A man saw him perform in a club and told him that if he came to New York he could get him a record deal. The man had some pull in New York and guaranteed Jimi that if he could only make it out there it would be the beginning of his fabulous recording career. It was winter time and Jimi didn't even own a coat. He borrowed Larry Lee's winter coat and headed out to the big apple. Well it was a pipe dream needless to say and Jimi was stuck in New York to starve a second time. On the way there he ended up playing and recording with Lonnie "Young Blood" Thomas in Philadelphia. <o>

</o> · While still in New York in early 1964, Jimi met future girl friend Fayne Pridgon who was Sam Cooke's ex-girl friend. She got him back stage at the Apollo to meet Sam with the hopes of getting him a job with the band. He didn't get it, but the word spread that Jimi could play some mean guitar. It was perfect timing because The Isley Brothers were looking for a new guitarist. They bought him new strings for his guitar (He only had four of the six strings left), and began touring with them in the South, East, and Midwest. Later they recorded "Move Over And Let Me Dance", "Have You Ever Been Disappointed", "Looking for a Love" and "The Last Girl" with Dionne Warwick on backup vocals.<o>

</o> · By November/December of 1964 after touring countless cities with The Isley Brothers they had a falling out and Jimi decided to move on. Fortunately he met up with Gorgeous George Odell who was on the same tour with Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, and BB King. Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall during that tour? Moving from state to state with all your belongings in a big bus throughout the South, with the greats of R&B and Blues. Don't get me started about the afterhours jams! The mind reels!<o>

</o> · Also on the tour were The Valentinos with Harry and Bobby Womack. As the story goes, Harry Womack threw Jimi's guitar out of the tour bus window because he thought Jimi stole his money. Jimi was asleep and awoke to find his guitar gone. It brought him to tears. Jimi pleaded innocent to the charges.<o>

</o> · When he arrived in Memphis with the Sarm Cooke tour Jimi met up with Steve Cropper Guitarist for Booker T and the MGs. Steve was a clean soulful guitarist and had written the hits "Green Onions", "Dock of the Bay", and "Knock on Wood". They had mutual admiration for each other and went into the studio to record, jam, and learn from each other. <o>

</o> · "Steve Cropper turned me on millions of years ago, and I turned him on millions of years ago too, but because of different songs. He turned me on to a lot of things. He showed me how to play certain songs and I showed him how I played "Mercy, Mercy", or something like that..."<o>

</o> · There are tapes of this somewhere and from what I've heard it's awesome. This is where Jimi got a lot of his Soul/country ideas from. As he traveled he soaked up guitar styles like a sponge. Listen to the guitar solo on "The Wind Cries Mary" and you'll hear what I'm talking about. Jimi was more than just Blues or Rock. He was American Music all rolled into one guitar, a melting pot of styles.<o>

</o> · That same month Jimi missed the bus for the Sam Cooke tour in Kansas City. Stranded, he got help from Gorgeous George Odell to get him to Atlanta where he met up with Little Richard and his band The Upsetters. At this time Jimi was going under the name Maurice James and becomes Little Richard's valet for the tour. Later Jimi got promoted to become his guitarist. This was a tough time for Jimi because like in all the other bands he was in he was told to stay in the background and just play the music. Being as open and flamboyant as he was he couldn't hold back and would sometimes steal the spot light from Little Richard. Tempers flared and the members of the band were told to dress alike and stay in the background. They couldn't wear anything that brought attention to themselves. These kind of episodes would be the catalyst for Jimi's hip and over the top stage wear in later years. It must have been a pain in the ass, but on the upside he got to tour and jam with B.B. King who was one of the acts on the tour.<o>

</o> · While on tour in January of 65', Jimi met up with Texas guitarist and Blues man Albert Collins in Houston. They became good friends and Albert even took over for Jimi in Little Richard's band when he left to go to Los Angeles. All the while Jimi had his sites on moving to the next level. He had dreams and premonitions but where they true? Did they mean anything? Or were they just silly dreams and fantasies that everyone gets about making it in the big time.<o>

</o> · "I had these dreams that something was gonna happen seeing the number 1966 in my sleep, so I was just passing time til then. I wanted my own scene, making my music, not playing the same riffs. Like once with Little Richard, me and another guy got fancy shirts cause we were tired of wearing the same uniform. Richard called a meeting. "I am Little Richard, I am Little Richard, he said, the King, the King of Rock and Rhythm, I am the only one allowed to be pretty! Take off those shirts!" Man, it was all like that. Bad pay, lousy living, and getting burned."<o>

</o> · In February of 65' while Jimi was in LA he met up with Arthur Lee, a Black musician/songwriter who had an interracial band in LA that was getting a lot of local attention. The band, Arthur Lee and Love, was looking for a guitar player to record a song that he had written for female singer Rosa Lee Brooks. He wanted to find a guitar player who could give him a mellow Curtis Mayfield vibe like on the song "People Get Ready". A friend of Arthur's had heard Jimi play and recommended him for the session. They became fast friends and recorded "My Diary" and "Utee".<o>

</o> · In March Jimi got back together with Little Richard, played some dates in LA and recorded "I Don't Know What You Got But It's Got Me". He later quit Little Richard again and auditioned for The Ike and Tina Turner Review. After a few shows he joined the Drifters for a short time only to return to Little Richard in April. Talk about a resume! Jimi played with everybody who was anybody on the R&B circuit. Albert Collins must have been going nuts! Every time Jimi decided to come back to Little Richard, Collins was out of a job! Jimi must have been something else back then to be able to come and go the way he did. I don't think they would have put up with someone with less talent. Eventually this too would come to an end. In June of 65' Jimi missed the tour bus in Washington DC and they fired him. Apparently Jimi was always late and a basic pain in the ass for one reason or another. A tour managers nightmare.<o>

</o> · In October while in New York Jimi met Curtis Knight who had a band called Curtis Knight and the Squires. Jimi joined the band. Curtis in turn introduces him to producer Ed Chalpin who signs him to a three year contract with PPX Inc. This signing would haunt Jimi years later with legal battles and force him to put together The Band of Gypsies and record the concert simply to honor this contract. Good for us. Bad for him. Jimi was a squirrel looking for a nut. He had nothing but his personality, his guitar, and his way with women to get him through the next day. He was constantly broke, had no place of his own most of the time, and resorted to the kindness of women he could sweet talk and who felt sorry for him. He also signed a lot of other contracts too. He never looked down the road at the possible legal hassels that would effect him later. He was hoping something would pan out. The bait was that when he did sign they usually gave him a cash advance up front which was better than being broke.<o></o>

· "People would say If you don't get a job you'll just starve to death. But I didn't want to take a job outside music. I tried a few jobs, including car delivery, but I always quit after a week or so..."<o>

</o> · During this time in New York Jimi recorded a song called "Suey" with Jane Mansfield and in November joined Joey Dee and The Starlighters. It was with them that he met guitar legend and inventor Les Paul in a night club in Lodi, New Jersey. He jumped bands a lot and was back with Curtis Knight and the Squires only to leave them again and join The King Curtis Band with Cornell Dupree on guitar and Chuck Rainey on bass. This lasted for six months, the highlight being recording sessions and playing a party at Atlantic records backing up Percy Sledge and Wilson Picket in May. Jimi made quite an impression on Wilson Picket and he still remembers him playing behind him at that party to this very day. <o>

</o> · Jimi was tired being everybody's backup guitar player. He knew he had to go it alone and perform his own material. He quit the band and joined Carl Holmes and the Commanders for a short time playing in Gettysburg Pennsylvania. His last gig with them was at the Cheetah in New York. <o>

</o> · Greenwich village was the place where Jimi would find other like-minded creative individuals who would help him to find himself and push his music to the forefront. He jammed and sat in with everyone, including guitarist Roy Buchanan, Bob Dylan, Richie Havens, and John Hammond Jr . He got himself a solo gig at Cafe Wah?, and later formed a group at the Night Owl Café. First called The Rainflowers, he changed the name to Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. Two of the members were Randy California on guitar, who would later find success with the band Spirit, and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter on bass, who would later join Steely Dan and The Doobie Brothers.<o>

</o> · Keith Richard's girl friend Linda Keith saw Jimi at The Club Cheetah one night with his band. There was something about him that impressed her. Later she brought Chas Chandler to see him. Chas Chandler was the bassist for The Animals and was looking to begin managing and producing. Jimi was finally discovered. The rest is history.<o>

</o> · This is a heavily summarized version of Jimi's Chitlin' Circuit years. Many details and juicy tid-bits are missing: The womanizing, the violence, illegitimate children, racism, and all the in-between stuff that gives you the full scope of a person’s life. Then there's the meetings he had with Albert King, James Brown, Chuck Berry, and everyone at Chess records in Chicago including Muddy Waters. To sum up a portion of a person’s life in detail in a series of highlights is impossible. It's those in between moments that make us who we are. Those things are missing here. If you want detail go to your book store and find "Electric Gypsy" by Harry Shapiro and Caesar Glebbeek. What I wanted to do was shed some light on the past of a great man and to look at some of the events in his life that led up to his fame and worldwide recognition. Jimi Hendrix's success was no fluke. He was there at the right time at the right place rubbing elbows with the music greats, while working diligently to find his own voice. Never stooping to merely copy, but to expand and build on the gifts of his predecessors.<o></o><o></o><o></o><o>
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stplsd
10-28-08, 04:00 PM
Hi Herman
> Thanks for your contributions. But I thought you may want to know that this article is full of old innacuracies:
>
> 1. WW Mann were just a booking agency not a band
>
> 2. Jimi only moved to New York and won the amateur concert a the Appollo in the winter of 63/64 and never moved back to Nashville, but only visited it briefly, as when he arrived there in 1965 with Little Richard and the Royal Company, and appeared on Night Train with Buddy & Stacy who were part of Richard’s revue at this time
>
> 3. Jimi only visited Vancouver briefly in 63 and never played with Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers. Tommy Chong (a member of the band and owner of the club ‘Dantes Inferno’ where they played): “First of all, Hendrix was never in the band. That was a big Bobby Taylor lie. You gotta remember Bobby Taylor exaggerates to the point of distraction; I think he even had the Beatles opening for us or some bullshit. Bobby is a professional liar: I love him to death and he can sing, but Hendrix was never in the band,” says Chong. “We only played with Hendrix one time [a jam in London in 1968] and it was probably the most profound musical experience I’ve ever had.”
>
> 4. It has long been proved that Jimi only played and recorded with Lonnie Youngblood in 1966 in New York.
>
> 5. Hendrix didn’t play on the Isley’s single Looking For A Love b/w The Last Girl as he was touring with Richard at this time, also what little guitar there is doesn’t sound like him. Dionne Warwick can’t be heard on these songs either
>
> 6. According to Steve Cropper Jimi visited him only for a very short time and only spoke and jammed, he denies any recording. Jimi doesn’t mention recording with him either.
>
> 7. Jimi only jammed one night with Albert Collins. Collins may have played guitar for Richard later, but he did not “Take over for Jimi when he left for LA” Jimi arrived in LA as part of Richard’s band
>
> 8. Tina Turner denies Jimi ever played in her band. Jimi on his first arrival in England exaggerated his connection with various R&B stars, thereby boosting his image, and knowing there was no way that anyone would know otherwise. Richard’s band did play on the same bill as Ike & Tina at this time though.
>
> 9. We only have Richard’s tour manager’s word that he sacked Jimi. Jimi claimed that he left due to a financial dispute.
>
> 10. We only have one very unreliable witness (Ed Chalpin) that Jimi played on Suey and on listening there does not appear to be anything remotely Hendrix like on this song. Chalpin also claims that Hendrix plays on the ‘A’ side ‘As Clouds Drift By’ where there is no evidence of any instrument that Jimi may have played on.
>
> 11. It is now known that Roy Buchanan was living in Washington DC from 1963-68, and that he and his family were in poor financial straights at this time, so it is highly improbablE that he played with Hendrix in New York prior to 1969 if at all.
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> 12. Hendrix only met Dylan once when neither were playing, and hardly spoke at all
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> 13. Hendrix did not ‘sit in’ with John Hammond, the Blueflame were his backing group when Jimi left for England, and they got billing as “The Blue Flame”
>
> 15. The members of the Blueflame were Randy ‘California’ (Wolfe) - gutar, Randy ‘Texas’ (Palmer) – bass and Danny Casey - drums. Jeff Baxter may have ‘sat in’ on bass, but has never been mentioned as a band member.
>
> 16. I’ve seen no evidence that Jimi ever met James Brown, Chuck Berry, Albert King etc.

Anyone got good info to the contrary?

dino77
10-28-08, 05:29 PM
Seems quite right.
There is in fact an interview
where Jimi mentions recording a demo with Cropper.
But as Cropper doesn't remember it, who knows?
And as for Ms Turner's recollection,
would she remember Hendrix?
She said something like "I would have remembered
if Jimi played with us". But back then he was
just a backing player, not very flash in image or playing.
So her recollection doesn't rule out that Jimi did play
with the band.

stplsd
10-28-08, 06:53 PM
Which Hendrix interview is it that he says he recoded with Cropper please? Cropper claims he remembers the meeting well, but he denies any recording took place.
As for Jimi not being flash at this time, this was one of the reasons he was hired by the Isley's (see the photo from Hejazz Grotto). He also stood out in Little Richard's band, which reportedly caused some conflict with Richard (see the Buddy & Stacy video, where Jimi uses some of his stage moves including sweeping his arm down the guitar neck) he very obviously was not 'just a backing player' in these bands and plays lead guitar on the few side he recorded with them.
Tina actually makes a point of denying that Hendrix played with her.

dino77
10-29-08, 05:34 AM
Which Hendrix interview is it that he says he recoded with Cropper please? Cropper claims he remembers the meeting well, but he denies any recording took place.
As for Jimi not being flash at this time, this was one of the reasons he was hired by the Isley's (see the photo from Hejazz Grotto). He also stood out in Little Richard's band, which caused some conflict with Richard (see the Buddy & Stacy video, where Jimi uses some of his stage moves including sweeping his arm down the guitar neck) he very obviously was not 'just a backing player' in these bands and plays lead guitar on the few side he recorded with them.
Tina actually makes a point of denying that Hendrix played with her.

I know Cropper denies any recording took place, in fact I slightly know
John Perry, who conducted the interview.

The interview is from Rolling Stone, March 9 1968:
"So we went into the studio, we did a song, and after that, it was just with the guitar and he was messing aroung with engineering. It's just a demo acetate. I don't know where it is at now."

Maybe Jimi played with Ike and Tina's backing band in some form
and embellished the story? Then again, why would he - it's been proven
that he did play with all the other artists he claimed he played with.

I just meant that
if Jimi only played one or two gigs he might have slipped by Tina.

And Ike claimed he did play with the band:

"At one point Ike took on a young guitar player called Jimi Hendrix. He didn't last long, Turner sacking him for overuse of feedback. "Well, he was doin' somethin' I'd never heard before," he laughs now. "I'd give him a guitar solo and he didn't have balanced lines. I told him about it three times. It was a case of three strikes and out. People say to me 'You fired Jimi Hendrix, how stupid can you be?' But I did it. I wasn't thinking in terms of his potential. I was thinking in terms of what I needed at the time."

So that's strange indeed.

stplsd
10-30-08, 05:29 PM
It is proven that he played on a tour or concert that featured these artists, but that is not the same as being in their band. early BBC interview: "...he comes from The States and I believe you played with some big names there didn’t you Jimi?
Jimi: Well, like, Little Richard, Isley Brothers, Jackie Wilson, Sam Cooke
Now there is no evidence that he played in Jackie Wilson's or Sam Cooke's band, but he did play on package tours featuring them, so it's not a lie to say that you played "with them" on a tour.
Sleeve notes on Are You Experienced: "...he joined the Little Richard package tour...playing all over, finally playing with Ike & Tina... on the W coast. When the tour arrived in New York Jimi left Little Richard" This does not claim he played in Ike & Tina's band merely that they joined the 'package' on the W coast.
Regarding "Why would he" A major reason for Jimi (& management - Chas etc) implying that he played in Ike & Tina's band etc. in early interviews was that he was completely unknown in Britain (or anywhere) and had to establish quickly that he was "somebody" and boost his image, which was difficult to begin with.


It's funny how these people who never made it huge like Hendrix, most of whom he never payed with, and later fell on hard times 'sacked him' for over use of feedback, playing too loud (things he wasn't doing at this time) as Bobby Taylor and here with Ike, or just insult him as did Bobby Womack, Johnny Jones etc. Whereas people he did play with as Little Richard & The Isleys say nice stuff about him. BB King who met him on tour also has a good word to say)

dino77
10-30-08, 05:37 PM
On the package tours, one band often played behind all the acts.
And he did play with Little Richard, although you maybe didn't mean to imply he didn't. I agree with that sentiment about lesser artists trying to expand their importance in Jimi's early career. Although Ike Turner pretty much invented rock 'n roll and Bobby Womack surely is a major figure.
Maybe it's more to do with jealousy - "back then I was king" stuff.

stplsd
10-30-08, 06:14 PM
There is no implication in what I have written that Jimi did not play with Richard that is being ...?
I would disagree that one band played behind all the acts, Jimi according to Billy Cox - no less - was employed by 'Gorgeous George' as a "valet" and member of his opening act on the tours before he joined the Isley's and then little Richard. Jimi's anecdotes don't feature him as playing with any of the stars. And only his early publicity implies he was in these artists backing groups. Check out: http://www.earlyhendrix.com/

stplsd
10-30-08, 06:25 PM
Although Ike holds a very special (unique?) place in the development of modern music "Rock & Roll" is just another name for "Rhythm & Blues" (or "Race Music" as it was known) to make it more acceptable to a "white" audience, no one invented it. Womack is an excellent songwriter, but has never been a major performing artist.
Thanks for the interview info. But Cropper in '68, as others, would exaggerate his involvement as Jimi was the biggest thing in the world of "rock music" at this time. Their later testimony, surely, is more likely to be accurate.

Ezy Rider
12-18-09, 03:30 AM
There is a picture of Jimi jamming on bass with Johnny Winter and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter on guitar according to the liner notes. I have no idea where or when it was taken.

http://www.vinylrecords.ch/winter/ADisco/jimi/Jimi.jpg

[from: http://www.vinylrecords.ch/winter/ADisco/winter_disco_wothers_jimi_hendrix.html]

purple jim
12-18-09, 04:40 AM
Here is an interesting article by John Perry (Only Ones guitarist) about the Hendrix/Cropper meeting:

Cropper and Hendrix met up and played together in Memphis, late '64, during Jimi's journeyman days. A tremendous amount of rubbish has been written about this meeting - stories of secret tapes etc. - so I asked Cropper to tell me what happened:

Steve Cropper: Well, Jimi came into Stax one day -- and somebody said 'there's this guy out the front wants to see you'. Well that used to happen once or twice a day on a regular basis, and they'd be told 'well Steve's real busy but if he has time he'll try and see you'. I don't think I was cutting anything that day but I was doing tape editing, a bunch of stuff and I completely forgot about it. Situation like that, without being rude, I'd always assume when it reached a certain point that a secretary would go out and say 'Mr. Cropper's not going to have time to see you' and boom - there you are.

So I finally came out about 5 o'clock one of the girls was still there and she said 'did you see that guy wanted to talk to you today?' And I said 'no - why, he's still hanging around?' and she said 'yeh he just walked across the street to get something to eat - hopin' that he'd get a chance to still see you.' She said 'I think he's came in from outta town - he's not a local guy' and I felt real bad, y'know, that somebody had sat there all day long, so I was hungry anyway, I went over and introduced myself, and he said 'yeh I play a little guitar, up in New York, a few places' and I said 'uhhh great, what have you played on?' and he named a few things, then come up with a Don Covay record ['Have Mercy']. I said ' You played on that !!!' - cos that was one a my favourite records - that lick that's in there, that funky little intro lick. So we ate and I said 'why don't you come over to the studio?

He didn't have a guitar, and of course he was left-handed, but he took one of mine and turned it upside down, and tried to show me this lick - upside down! - which I never did quite get … but anyway. We hung out for a bit, though we never did make any recordings or anything, like it says in those books. And then later we ran into each other a few times on the road. Next time I saw him, I was playing Monterey with Otis, and he was JIMI HENDRIX !"

Source: http://www.jungle-records.demon.co.uk/jungle/freudcd065.htm

purple jim
12-18-09, 05:39 PM
> 12. Hendrix only met Dylan once when neither were playing, and hardly spoke at all

I was watching the "At last…the beginning, The Making Of Electric Ladyland" DVD this evening and Dave Mason states that he remembers seeing Jimi jamming with Dylan at the Scene Club in 1968.

stplsd
12-19-09, 05:17 AM
^
Not according to Jimi, and Bob was a near recluse after 66. I think he's pulling your leg;-)

stplsd
12-19-09, 05:18 AM
There is a picture of Jimi jamming on bass with Johnny Winter and Jeff "Skunk" Baxter on guitar according to the liner notes. I have no idea where or when it was taken.

Scene club - it's on the wall

souldoggie
12-19-09, 07:38 PM
Didn't Little Richard fine his band members for being late and for not having their stage cloths on and/or in good shape for the show?
Didn't he fine them for upstaging his act with unrehearsed (ie playing with your elbow) stage moves?
Or was that just James Brown who did all the fining. LOL.

Either way, from the looks of this paycheck stub, Jimi behaved that week and he dutifully paid his Social Security taxes and his income taxes.
Not bad money for 1965, by the way, especially if that was for a week's pay.

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww136/souldoggie/23320.jpg

scoutship
12-19-09, 08:42 PM
Not bad money for 1965, by the way

In fact about $1100 (net pay) in today's money.

stplsd
12-19-09, 08:49 PM
Either way, from the looks of this paycheck stub, Jimi behaved that week and he dutifully paid his Social Security taxes and his income taxes.
Not bad money for 1965, by the way, especially if that was for a week's pay.

Thanks souldoggie, you've set me off again:
Much of the talk about Jimi just barely scraping an existance on the "chitlin circuit" (most if not all of the venues he played were far from being "shacks" and were in fact large dance halls - which may well have served chitlins & fish (ribs?), but that doesn't make them low paying, or low class. Photos of the time, and much-much earlier, show very stylishly dressed customers. Howlin Wolf says he made plenty of money (and he wasn't even on the "circuit" at the time - drove out of the Delta to Chicago in a nice car with a few grand in his pocket)- and often concert halls with "mixed" or mainly "white" audiences) just sounds like either British ("starving blues-man") cliche hype publicity or sentimental post death puff. He played with mainly major acts like Little Richard, Isley Brothers, King Curtis etc, and was almost constantly employed and appears prominent, in demand, well dressed (mainly "uniform" suits - as did the featured artist also) and playing a Fender Jazzmaster (a guitar he obviously liked as he bought one later in his career with the Experience). What about all the other musicians in these bands? What about all the musicians in lesser groups? Why would they play if the life was so bad? He was young, healthy, playing with some of the best music makers in the world, had a nice instrument (will travel), travelling all over the US/Canada & even Bermuda, cash, cool clothes, living in hotels, had been on TV, was reportedly turned on to marijuana and methadrine, and by several accounts was a babe magnet - eat your f-ing heart out guys! (what were you doing in your early twenties?). The main time when he appears to be low on cash seems to have been when he left the security of supporting artist to headline his own group 'The Blue Flame' (for a short time) in the Village, at several venues, but, supposedly, mainly the Cafe Wha? where by all accounts (apart from a couple of people close to Jimi, who say they were payed a fee - widely varying estimates) you only got what the audience voluntarily put in the basket. Did Jimi choose to play here because Bob started off here? Anyway, it wasn't too long before they got a good paying gig, with billing, playing with John Hammond at the Cafe A Go Go...etc.
Arguments? please! hopefully something sensible will come out of it?

souldoggie
12-20-09, 03:08 AM
No argument here. You are spot on. Well said.

Herman Cherusken
09-06-10, 07:05 AM
I never thanked Stplsd for his corrections on my pasted piece here, valued objections indeed...

Ezy Rider
09-06-10, 08:26 AM
> 16. I’ve seen no evidence that Jimi ever met James Brown, Chuck Berry, Albert King etc.

Anyone got good info to the contrary?

Here is evidence that Jimi played with Chuck Berry:

Now let me tell you a little history of me and Jimy. Back in the mid 60’s I was a concert promoter. I had the Isley Brother, Coaster, Drifters, Cadillacs, Lovin’ Spoonful, Young Rascals, Byrds, Turtles, Shirelles….and many more acts. I booked Chuck Berry for two nights, and was looking forward to this gig…especially because Chuck traveled alone and the promoter had to get the back up band. I decided to play keyboards, and got some buddies of mine who mostly did Chuck Berry covers to back up Chuck. A week before the gig, that agent who sold me Chuck called me and said “Hey Mike, I need you to do me a favor and book another band…. I can give you one that will play three nights for $600.“ I said “Bob I don’t need another band. The crowd is coming to see Chuck Berry and I’d just be spending another $600 for nothing.“ Bob said “Please, I need this favor. You can have them for three nights for only $500, and they have a guy that can play guitar with his teeth.“ I figured, ok, and booked them, and in the future Bob owed me the next favor. The name of this band was Curtis Knight & the Squires.


http://www.ehx.com/forums/viewthread/2232/

posted in http://www.crosstowntorrents.org/showthread.php?t=3275

stplsd
09-17-10, 05:33 PM
Here is evidence that Jimi played with Chuck Berry:

http://www.ehx.com/forums/viewthread/2232/



Thanks for the interview, but it just sounds like the usual self-promoting bull;-)