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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    It would explain some things about the last European tour, like his cold at the Isle of Wight. But that's all speculation.

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    Actually this link doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrummer View Post
    Me too. In fact, I had originally thought of this, among some other things - Jimi hanging with Devon a lot around the same time as Douglas was "producing". There is something else too - the Allen/Aleem brothers were dealing smack (along with other drugs as well), for Fat Jack Taylor (just finished reading you see) and Jimi was spending more time around this scene in NY around that time. Sure he could have any number of dealers, of course. But a steady supply from old mates, would assist.
    In "Becoming Jimi Hendrix" Roby speculates Hendrix was already involved w/ a drug (heroin) dealer (as a 'mule' or street dealer is not specified) Fayne was dating circa 1964/65, so to put this on Devon or Douglas in 1970 is a little much, Hendrix had eyes to see all the junkies in Harlem or Greenwich Village so he knew what he was getting into if he was that deep in heroin, also a regular heroin user would have graduated to iv drug user status or at least "chasing the dragon" to heighten the effectiveness of the drug after more than a year of usage if we conclude Toronto as the demarcation point.

    Hendrix reconnected with Fayne/Allen twins when he returned to America in 1967 and 1968 , so he didn't just start to "hang around" with them in 1969, I don't think the Allen twins were Jimi's dealers, drugs came to him from "fans" or "wanna be's" like Bobby Woods.

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Quote Originally Posted by julie View Post
    Actually this link doesn't work.
    it does. try copy/paste into another tab or search this out for yourself.
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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Jimi did reconnect with Faye and the twins before 1969 - but it was during 1969 that he spent much more time around old friends including them - they basically roped him into the Harlem show in Sept - Mitch Mitchell discusses in his book Jimi's desire to reconnect - as we know Billy, Larry, - Mitch says it was during this period he was trying to reconnect with friends from the past etc. According to the Jimi Mayes book (probably the most indepth discussion of pre-fame Hendrix) when Jimi was struggling, Fat Jack Taylor tried to get Jimi to deal but he refused. Mayes did though...Given that Mayes doesn't pull any punches about other aspects of Jimi's pre-fame career (including Jimi being a male escort of sorts) - I tend to believe him.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackIrish55 View Post
    In "Becoming Jimi Hendrix" Roby speculates Hendrix was already involved w/ a drug (heroin) dealer (as a 'mule' or street dealer is not specified) Fayne was dating circa 1964/65, so to put this on Devon or Douglas in 1970 is a little much, Hendrix had eyes to see all the junkies in Harlem or Greenwich Village so he knew what he was getting into if he was that deep in heroin, also a regular heroin user would have graduated to iv drug user status or at least "chasing the dragon" to heighten the effectiveness of the drug after more than a year of usage if we conclude Toronto as the demarcation point.

    Hendrix reconnected with Fayne/Allen twins when he returned to America in 1967 and 1968 , so he didn't just start to "hang around" with them in 1969, I don't think the Allen twins were Jimi's dealers, drugs came to him from "fans" or "wanna be's" like Bobby Woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrummer View Post
    .... According to the Jimi Mayes book (probably the most indepth discussion of pre-fame Hendrix) when Jimi was struggling,.....
    This book?
    http://www.bluesblastmagazine.com/th...s-book-review/
    I'd like to see the picture of them in go-go dresses

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Lucas View Post
    This book?
    http://www.bluesblastmagazine.com/th...s-book-review/
    I'd like to see the picture of them in go-go dresses
    yes, anyone got that book or pic?

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    yes, anyone got that book or pic?


    Jimi, third from left.
    Is this the photo you were asking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by souldoggie View Post


    Jimi, third from left.
    Is this the photo you were asking about?
    lol.....must be, can't be too many pics of Jimi wearing a go-go dress around
    Thanks for posting it, I'd never seen nor even heard of it before.
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...n+To+The+Stars

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Yes - I'm a bit late now - so it looks like you've dug up the go-go photo...

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Lucas View Post
    This book?
    http://www.bluesblastmagazine.com/th...s-book-review/
    I'd like to see the picture of them in go-go dresses

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrummer View Post
    But, this has to be said, there is a much commented, definite change in Mitch's style in 1970, to the point where sometimes I would beg to have someone like Buddy back in the group. I think it is drug use, which has enormous influence on tempos thoughout the history of popular music. Gimme your worst, it's only hypothetical. But smack is in there I think.
    I've never noticed a drop-off in the quality of Mitch's late-Hendrix period drumming. Which shows are you referring to when you say you'd beg to have someone like Buddy back in the group? I'm not arguing that there wasn't a drop-off, I've just never noticed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmoog View Post
    I've never noticed a drop-off in the quality of Mitch's late-Hendrix period drumming. Which shows are you referring to when you say you'd beg to have someone like Buddy back in the group? I'm not arguing that there wasn't a drop-off, I've just never noticed it.
    To generalise - a lot of the 1970 shows just seem to have lost the old spark...for direct example, some have pointed to Randalls Island show, Atlanta too...I personally never cared for the BoG era tracks with Mitch behind them...I know there is a factional split when it comes to Buddy/Mitch - I am a big funk fan and love Buddy's BoG "fatback" style and perhaps it was also the shift in styles that became more glaring, but as I don't want to start a new thread on a previously discussed topic (like I did when I first posted this one....) -
    http://199.101.97.229/showthread.php...ell-s-Drumming

    Then of course there are the drum overdubs - Stepping Stone, Somewhere, Earth Blues etc etc - none of which are as good as Buddy's originals not sure why they persist with them on official releases...
    BTW - this is not to put Mitch down - I love most of his work, it is just that a bunch of Hendrix fans believe that something changed in 1970...

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrummer View Post
    I personally never cared for the BoG era tracks with Mitch behind them
    2 nights at the Fillmore (only performed to give Chalpin/Capitol their pound of flesh and get Warner Bros. off his back, after their dirty deal with Capitol), an abortion of a show and a poor single does not an "era" make, "brief episode" would be more accurate.
    Sounds like Buddy when he talked of being "on tour" with Hendrix

    Which versions of Earth Blues are you comparing?
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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    To each their own - no point in arguing over that...
    The BoG first show is to my mind, Jimi's most captivating performance on tape.
    I was comparing Earth Blues studio of course.



    Quote Originally Posted by stplsd View Post
    2 nights at the Fillmore (only performed to give Chalpin/Capitol their pound of flesh and get Warner Bros. off his back, after their dirty deal with Capitol), an abortion of a show and a poor single does not an "era" make, "brief episode" would be more accurate.
    Sounds like Buddy when he talked of being "on tour" with Hendrix

    Which versions of Earth Blues are you comparing?

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    A brief episode or an era makes no difference! Incredible stuff BOG was as was the Experience and the 1970 band was awesome as well. In retrospect all of Jimi's work would be considered a "brief episode" now that some bands have 30, 40 and even 50 year histories !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Experiencereunited View Post
    A brief episode or an era makes no difference!
    Language and how it is used is important, using the word 'era' may give the impression to some that the BOGs lasted for longer than it did, eg like Buddy Miles talking of his 'touring' with Hendrix. They were only together as long as it took to make an album out of the two nights they played together in concert. How many other nights did Jimi play concerts in his four years of fame? Certainly considerably more than 2 & a mess
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrummer View Post
    I was comparing Earth Blues studio of course.
    I was wondering which studio recordings fd, so I can have a listen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stplsd View Post
    I was wondering which studio recordings fd, so I can have a listen?
    Original Buddy Earth Blues vs Mitch Overdubs...as heard on Purple Box/PH&A (Buddy) and Rainbow Bridge/EH First Rays compilation (Mitch)...
    Not that I am basing my assessment on the one track...
    It is fair to say that with any drum overdubs it is going to be difficult to capture original groove - Jimi or otherwise...
    Perhaps a better example is Stepping Stone drum overdubs...
    To save me some time - an interesting discussion about the Mitch overdubs was had over at the SH forums a while back...
    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...mystery.50637/

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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    I know it`s not Heroin, But it`s Jimi and it`s Drugs, Has anyone else heard the story Lemmy tells,
    Where he states that Jimi arrived in London with a Huge amount of LSD in his suitcase?
    It kinda sounds like Lemmy Bullshit, I`m not even sure of his "I was Jimi`s Roadie" Story!
    Unless any of you guys know better, and can enlighten me?
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    Re: Hendrix and Heroin?

    Quote Originally Posted by manfree View Post
    I know it`s not Heroin, But it`s Jimi and it`s Drugs, Has anyone else heard the story Lemmy tells,
    Where he states that Jimi arrived in London with a Huge amount of LSD in his suitcase?
    It kinda sounds like Lemmy Bullshit, I`m not even sure of his "I was Jimi`s Roadie" Story!
    Unless any of you guys know better, and can enlighten me?

    This doesnt really sound far fetched to me

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