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    Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    When the Summer of 1970 began, as a 16 years old I became totally hooked on the Band Of Gypsys. My friend and me were put in a small booth with large loudspeakers at the record shop where we were about to be introduced to Jimi Hendrix's new LP. The impression was enormous, Jimi started this funky riff, and when Buddy Miles came in with his thunderous drums it was beyond Cream's Sunshine Of Your Love (the riffs of SOYL and Who Knows share the same notes BTW).

    In the past decades we learned so much more about the legendary New Year concerts, but it still me bothers me enormously that there are still gaps in our knowledge. First example is the split in the Jan Blom/Woody Vasulka footage. What did Jimi play between Stop and Earth Blues? In 1984 I started to correspond with famous tape and footage hunter, Barry Gruber. Barry wrote me in March of that year that he had heard that a 70 minute Fillmore East 1-1-70. 1st show tape existed. Included were the complete versions of Earth Blues, Stop, and a version of Hear My Train. Barry never got a deal come through, and he never received the tape. When a few years ago the Fillmore East documentary was released again, this time with stereo sound, my heart jumped up for a shore while. but unfortunately again Earth Blues was still incomplete.

    In 1995 my dear friend, the late Tony Brown was consultant for Screen Ventures. I'm not entirely sure if it was in this capacity, but Tony got involved in the rediscovery of the original recordings of the Fillmore East concerts. I got a first report in July that year, "I finally got to hear some of the Gypsys master reels last week. There was some nice surprises on there for me, and material i just had never heard before. In fact I could not even put any name to some of the tracks." In September he wrote me: "The Gypsys material that I heard was completely new concert material. if I manage to get all the parties together and they release some of this stuff then throw out B.O.G. 2, this will blow your mind." That was all Tony would let me know.

    I hoped for more information when Concert Files was published in 2000. For the first show Tony indeed mentions Getting My Heart Back Together (Hear my Train) after Stop, but he doesn't mention Burning Desire as encore. The set list for the last show according to Tony is Stone Free, Them Changes, Paper Airplanes (Power Of Soul), Message To Love, Earth Blues, Izabella, Machine Gun, Foxy Lady, I Got To See You, Burning Desire (same as Live At The Fillmore??), and then he finishes off with We Gotta Live Together, Voodoo Child (slight return), Wild Thing, Hey Joe and Purple Haze.
    If the last songs jibe with the 6 or 7 encores Jimi played according to the news paper reports the next day, I'm not sure. Maybe they ran out of tape?

    The total number of titles during the 4 shows corresponds well to what was reported (a number of 54 was mentioned) when the tapes came in the hands of Paul Allen.

    After more than 45 years there is still no clue if and when all the B.O.G. performances will be released in their entirety. I'm dreaming of a promotional single that will be released coinciding with Machine Gun next month. Let the B-side be one of the titles we still don't know, albeit a complete version of Earth Blues from the first show!


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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    Wow! thanks for this info! -made my day! ♪♫

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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    Circa 1995-96 I had a phone call from a [now lost] contact regard what Kees presents here regard the Tony Brown discovery so I can validate this part.
    At that time I was doubtful, just how could so much audio be missing from these concerts, not just missing but unknown!!!

    So like Kees and the rest of you I really look forward to possibly hearing new material from these shows sometime soon.
    "That's the best news I ever heard" Bob Dylan

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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    The article in the following link, gives a nice report of what was discovered tape-wise at the end the '90s:
    http://www.express.co.uk/entertainme...-to-experience

    BTW I would also love to hear unedited versions of Them Changes, Power Of Soul and Message To Love from the last show. Jimi and Eddie did a lot of editing when they produced the original B.O.G. LP,

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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    Thanks for the posts, Kees and FF!

    My only question about all of this (and trust me, I'd LOVE for there to be some previously unheard audio from those four shows) is this...

    Surely EH at least had access to Paul Allen's tapes in 2009 when Ultimate Experience was published. As early as 2010 we started getting some newly mixed audio from these shows on "West Coast Seattle Boy" and you already mentioned the fresh stereo/5.1 mix on the Band Of Gypsys DVD. If we assume they had access to Mr. Allen's masters (and I will admit, we don't know for certain that this is the case), why would they publish the setlists for the four Fillmore East concerts "as is", with no new songs listed?

    Of course it drives me nuts that EH could end this debate once and for all and publish the full setlist on their website (and confirm the lists are based on what's on the multitracks) or in the liner notes to the upcoming "Machine Gun" release! Throw us poor fans a bone already, will you !

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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    Given that the other tracks they played were rehearsed at Baggies or in studio all turned up live - it seems strange that there is no other trace of "I Got To See You"? The first show release follows the running order as its always been...I can't offhand remember where there were cuts in third and four show - but is seems strange that the possible new stuff was missed on both SBD and AUD tapes alike...

    There is a mistake in the notes on the site

    >>“Machine Gun” endures as a classic amongst the already classic-drenched Jimi Hendrix canon. Fricke notes of this version, the first that Hendrix and company had ever played in concert, “..Here it is, after 46 years, another revelation – a stunning essay in pain, rage and determined survival, fully formed in its initial outing.”

    It was of course played first at the Harlem show.
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    Re: Fillmore East, Band Of Gypsys: mysteries that still remain ...

    Quote Originally Posted by kees1954 View Post
    When the Summer of 1970 began, as a 16 years old I became totally hooked on the Band Of Gypsys. My friend and me were put in a small booth with large loudspeakers at the record shop where we were about to be introduced to Jimi Hendrix's new LP. The impression was enormous, Jimi started this funky riff, and when Buddy Miles came in with his thunderous drums it was beyond Cream's Sunshine Of Your Love (the riffs of SOYL and Who Knows share the same notes BTW).

    In the past decades we learned so much more about the legendary New Year concerts, but it still me bothers me enormously that there are still gaps in our knowledge. First example is the split in the Jan Blom/Woody Vasulka footage. What did Jimi play between Stop and Earth Blues? In 1984 I started to correspond with famous tape and footage hunter, Barry Gruber. Barry wrote me in March of that year that he had heard that a 70 minute Fillmore East 1-1-70. 1st show tape existed. Included were the complete versions of Earth Blues, Stop, and a version of Hear My Train. Barry never got a deal come through, and he never received the tape. When a few years ago the Fillmore East documentary was released again, this time with stereo sound, my heart jumped up for a shore while. but unfortunately again Earth Blues was still incomplete.

    In 1995 my dear friend, the late Tony Brown was consultant for Screen Ventures. I'm not entirely sure if it was in this capacity, but Tony got involved in the rediscovery of the original recordings of the Fillmore East concerts. I got a first report in July that year, "I finally got to hear some of the Gypsys master reels last week. There was some nice surprises on there for me, and material i just had never heard before. In fact I could not even put any name to some of the tracks." In September he wrote me: "The Gypsys material that I heard was completely new concert material. if I manage to get all the parties together and they release some of this stuff then throw out B.O.G. 2, this will blow your mind." That was all Tony would let me know.

    I hoped for more information when Concert Files was published in 2000. For the first show Tony indeed mentions Getting My Heart Back Together (Hear my Train) after Stop, but he doesn't mention Burning Desire as encore. The set list for the last show according to Tony is Stone Free, Them Changes, Paper Airplanes (Power Of Soul), Message To Love, Earth Blues, Izabella, Machine Gun, Foxy Lady, I Got To See You, Burning Desire (same as Live At The Fillmore??), and then he finishes off with We Gotta Live Together, Voodoo Child (slight return), Wild Thing, Hey Joe and Purple Haze.
    If the last songs jibe with the 6 or 7 encores Jimi played according to the news paper reports the next day, I'm not sure. Maybe they ran out of tape?

    The total number of titles during the 4 shows corresponds well to what was reported (a number of 54 was mentioned) when the tapes came in the hands of Paul Allen.

    After more than 45 years there is still no clue if and when all the B.O.G. performances will be released in their entirety. I'm dreaming of a promotional single that will be released coinciding with Machine Gun next month. Let the B-side be one of the titles we still don't know, albeit a complete version of Earth Blues from the first show!


    Thanks for this info. I don't think there is any reason to doubt Tony's info and it gives us even more to look forward to for additional releases one day. Prior to the Live At The Fillmore East release most published setlists for 1/1/70 late show did not include Stone Free either on top of the additional songs he lists (Izabella, Foxy Lady, I Got To See You? and Burning Desire). Burning Desire on Live At The Fillmore East was from the 1st show as confirmed by EH and like Stone Free from the late show that was not on most published setlists for the 1st show until the Live at FE release so I think an additional Hear My Train from the first show is certainly possible too. Hopefully this is not all just wishful thinking and we will see these additional songs from both 1/1/1970 shows we haven't heard before in near future releases.

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