Band of Gypsys vinyl from around the world

[billo528]

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Happy New Year,first of all ,let's hope we have a million or two million more...

New Years recording Band of Gypsys on vinyl has been re-released around the world under quite a number of different labels and cover variations. In the US on Capitol ,in Canada on Reprise ,in the UK on Track Records and Polydor ,France on Barclay,Capitol/Fame in Argentina,Polydor and Karusell in Germany among others

Mexican white label promo uses different spelling of "Gipsies "

[MourningStar]

Who do the marionettes represent? One resembles Brian Jones but i have no clue about then other two. And what concert is the Austria cover from? -thnx!

[purple jim]

Who do the marionettes represent? One resembles Brian Jones but i have no clue about then other two.

Bob Dylan and John Peel (BBC Radio DJ)

And what concert is the Austria cover from? -thnx!

Berlin 1970.

[Experiencereunited]

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Band Of Gypsys German 1993 Polydor CD pressing 847 237-2. Front Cover, Back Cover, CD, and insert. This CD contains 3 bonus tracks that were recorded at the Fillmore East originally put out on the Band of Gypsys 2 vinyl. Band Of Gypsys 2 never made the transition to CD so this was the only place to get these tracks on CD for quite a while. The bonus tracks were dropped on later and other releases. As with most of the German Polydor CDs the sound on this one is very good.

[billo528]

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Bringing it back to vinyl around the world...

Back cover of German Jimi Hendrix Presents Band of Gypsys w/ different song line up.
We Gotta Live Together is out and Fire is in

Also a couple of Capitol label variations red label w/ purple target logo and all purple reissue label. Also the 180 gr red vinyl reissue

And the cover stamp info on the 2 Classic reissues 180gr and 200 gr Test Pressings
not able to show label info

90's MCA Records test pressing label info also shown

[billo528]

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Since Experiencereunited has kindly opened up the door for BOG CDs I believe it's important to show the US promo CD w/lime green target label design (similar to first US vinyl pressing label from 1970).

Top row shows Japanese Polydor issue CD.

Also shown from Capitol records, is US BOG advance cassette from mid 90's.
MCA also issued Band of Gypsys cassettes in the 90's in US.

Check out the imported Polydor cassette version .Same as the Experiencereunited posted CD w/ the 3 extra tracks.

Another German vinyl reissue ,this time on Karrussel

Also shown is a psychedelic BOG / Track Records ad from July 29,1970 issue of OZ magazine that I've never seen before

bottom: sealed 4 track tape of BOG .4 track tapes were just about phased out by 8 tracks and the "new" format cassettes by mid 1970

[okla70homa]

Maybe somebody can help.
Is this an 1970 release or a later released Version?
Thanks for info
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[Fenders Fingers]

can't see attachment. Can you repost them?

[billo528]

Great question!

I cannot with any certainty say exactly when these were pressed by Polydor Brazil but I can tell you this BOG is part of a series of the first 5 releases with unique to Brazil numbers:

Smash Hits LPG 624.010 MONO
Electric Ladyland LPG 624.011 MONO single disc only (see end of ELL thread for label scans )
Axis Bold as Love LPG 624.024 MONO
Are You Experienced? LPG 624.032 MONO
Band of Gypsys LPS 624.510 STEREO note S prefix change for Stereo

I'd guess that these were all issued/re-issued around 1970 with the switch over from Mono to Stereo
.As your scan clearly shows the matrix number(dead wax by label) is the Track catalog number (2406 002)not a Polydor reissue number.
Had they been released chronologically, I feel that the lowest number starting with 624. would have gone with the AYE? first ,Axis second and so on.
But why the big jump from ( .10,.11, .24 and .32)all under 100 numbers for first 4 all the way up to .500 for BOG?

again just a semi-educated guess on my part okla70homa.

anyone??

[stplsd]

Rare Track Records cassette release. Did they release it with their original puppets cover earlier, I haven't seen one? I think this may be the only Track cassette release of this LP?

[billo528]

TRACK RECORDS DISCOGRAPHY

Cat No: Title : Artist : Cat No: Title : Artist : singles 1967 albums 604001 Purple Haze Jimi Hendrix Experience 612001 Are You Experienced Jimi Hendrix Experience 604002 Pictures Of Lily The Who 613002 Who Sell Out The Who 604003 Desdemona John's Children 612003 Axis, Bold As Love Jimi Hendrix Experience 604004 The Wind Cries Mary Jimi Hendrix Experience 604005 Come And Play John's Children 604005 Midsummer Night's Scene John's Children 604006 The Last Time The Who 604007 The Burning Of The Midnight Lamp Jimi Hendrix Experience 604008 Devil's Grip Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 604009 How Would You Feel Curtis Knight/Jimi Hendrix 604010 Go-Go-Girl John's Children 604011 I Can See For Miles The Who 604012 Gimme Little Sign Tony Simon 604013 (I Wanna) Testify The Parliaments 604014 If This Is Love The Precision 604015 Love Power The Sandpebbles 604016 You're Got To Pay The Price Al Kent 604017 Sing Songs Of Love The Cherry Smash 604018 It's Been A Long Time Andy Ellison 1968 604019 Follow Me The Eire Apparent 613004 Smash Hits Jimi Hendrix Experience 604020 If I Had A Ribbon Bow Fairport Convention 613005 The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 604022 Fire Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 613006 Direct Hits The Who 604023 Dogs The Who 613007 You Can't Beat People Up And Have Them Say I Love You Murray Roman 604024 Magic Bus The Who 613008/9 Electric Ladyland Jimi Hendrix Experience 604025 All Along The Watchtower Jimi Hendrix Experience 604026 Nightmare Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 1969 604027 Pinball Wizard The Who 613013/4 Tommy The Who 604028 Love Power * The Sandpebbles 613015 A Blind Man's Movie Murray Roman 604029 Cross Town Traffic Jimi Hendrix Experience 604030 Walk On Gilded Splinters Marsha Hunt 604031 Something In The Air Thunderclap Newman 604032 I Wanna Testify * The Parliaments 604033 Let Me Light Your Fire Jimi Hendrix Experience 604034 Desdemona Marsha Hunt 1970 604035 I'm In Love Again The Debonaires 2406001 Are You Experienced Jimi Hendrix Experience 604036 The Seeker The Who 2406002 Who Sell Out The Who 604037 Keep The Customer Satisfied Marsha Hunt 2406003 Axis, Bold As Love Jimi Hendrix Experience 2094001 Accidents Thunderclap Newman 2407001/14 Backtrack 1/14 Various Artists 2094002 Summertime Blues The Who 2094003 The Reason Thunderclap Newman 2094004 See Me, Feel Me The Who 2095001 Voodoo Child/Hey Joe Jimi Hendrix Experience 2095002 Wild Country Thunderclap Newman 2252001 Overture/Christmas The Who 1971 2094007 Angel Jimi Hendrix Experience 2410101 Wild Child Marsha Hunt 2094008 I Believe In Everything John Entwistle 2408101 Cry Of Love Jimi Hendrix Experience 2094009 Won't Get Fooled Again The Who 2408102 Who's Next The Who 2094010 Gypsy Eyes/Remember Jimi Hendrix Experience 2406005 Smash Your Head Against The Wall John Entwistle 2094011 Something In The Air/Desdemona/ Fire/The Wind Cries Mary Thunderclap Newman/John's Children/ArthurBrown/Jimi Hendrix Experience 2406006 Meaty, Beaty, Big And Bouncy The Who 2094012 Midsummer Night's Scene The Who 1972 2094013 Jasper C.Debussy/Hippy Gumbo Marc Bolan 2406103 Rainbow Andy Newman 2094102 Join Together The Who 2406104 Whistle Rymes John Entwistle 2094103 Old Fashioned Girl John Keen 2408201 Who Came First Pete Townsend 2094104 Time Valentine 2094105 Queen Of The Alley Dogs/Dog Save Barking & Houndsditch Choral Society 2094106 Relay The Who 1973 2094107 Made In Japan Rigor Mortis 2406105 Previous Convictions Speedy Keen 2094108 Let Us In John Keen 2406106 Rigor Mortis Sets In John Entwistle 2094109 Forever Is No Time At All Billy Nicholls 2406107 Daltrey Roger Daltrey 2094110 Giving It All Away Roger Daltrey 2406108 Third World War 2 Third World War 2094111 Murder Man John Otway & Wild Willy Barrett 2406109 Hearing Earring Golden Earring 2094014 Thinking Roger Daltrey 2406112 Moontan Golden Earring 2094015 Here Comes The Three Bears Hi-Shots 2657013 Quadrophenia The Who 2094115 5.15 The Who 2094116 Radar Love Golden Earring 1974 2094121 Instant Poetry Golden Earring 2409205/8 Allsorts 1-4 Various Artists 2094126 Candy's Going Bad Golden Earring 2410201 Beginning Of Doves Marc Bolan 2406116 Odds & Sods The Who 1975 2094130 Ce Soir Golden Earring 2406117 Switch Golden Earring 2094017 Something In The Air/Fire Thunderclap Newman/Crazy World Of Arthur Brown 2094131 Miss Otis Regrets Labelle 2094132 Soul House Roy Martin 2094133 Louisa On A Horse John Otway & Wild Willy Barrett 2094134 Never Shakin' Stevens 2409218 L.A.M.F. The Heartbreakers 2094135 Chinese Rocks Heartbreakers 2094136 Somebody Touched Me Shakin' Stevens 2094137 One Track Mind/Do You Love Me Heartbreakers 2094138 Gotta Get Up The Surprise Sisters 2094141 Purple Haze Shakin' Stevens 2406011 Shakin' Stevens Shakin' Stevens 2094140 Pictures Of Lily The Who 2094142 Desdemona Heartbreakers

my catalog number for UK track BOG is 2406 002 but on this list in 1970 it's assigned to Who Sell Out
and BOG is not to be found .......anywhere??????

No 8 track or cassette information is listed either ,sorry

[Fenders Fingers]

Interesting question. Nice reply Billo.
Here's my listing for that Who release:
2406009 Who Sell Out, Backtrack 9 - The Who
Yes, 1970 as a release date for this recording.

Now the BOG pressing in question. Sorry to disappoint here but dating a pressing is close to impossible through either / and the Cat' number / Matrix (dead wax) number. Factor in global pressing plants and that simply compounds the question. To further muddy the waters Track was never an independant label.

I didn't think I had any Polydor BOG pressings in the collection but I found a repressing "SUPER" as I checked for my Track copies.
The cat' number is just that, a Cat' number. This number (found on the label and cover, 2406 006) is attached to both copies of my Track pressing. The original Track "Puppet" cover and the slightly later issue gatefold IOW pic sleeve,. Both of these Track pressings carry the following Dead Wax matrix number:
2406002 [stamped]

The Polydor (clearly a repressing) LP has a cover and label Cat number of 2408-005 (surfixed by SUPER on the rear cover and spine).The Dead Wax matrix number for both sides of this pressing carries this number:
22406 002 [stamped]
but on side A only, scratched above the stamped number, is 2480005

Couple of questions. When did Polydor get licence to press this LP ? Are all pressings from Polydor Brazil scratched dead wax numbers?

[billo528]

Polydor Brazil De Luxe pressings

No FF they are NOT all scratched dead wax pressings.It appears that the only one that IS "scratched" remains the subject of our discussion BOG Brazil .

I'm seeing stamped matrix Polydor numbers for Smash Hits 184 138 (also German #)
Axis 184 110 (German,Israel #)
Are you Exp? 184 085 German ,Israel,S.Africa#)
you can see these numbers as well on the bottom of the label (six o'clock)

but the ELL has it's own unique stamper number that matches the label.catalog # 624.011

take a look

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[Fenders Fingers]

Thanks Billo. If the other pressings are stamped then the fact this pressing (BOG) is scratched suggests to me a later pressing.
I asked as Polydor stamp the pressings as a matter of course rather than scratch.
anyone have an answer for the first question? Do we have a fixed date for the 1st European Polydor BOG pressing?
Gonna study your scans Billo, thanx for these.

[okla70homa]

Thanks billo528 and Fender Fingers for all the basic information.

I found a side with more cat# but without the brazil release: http://www.discogs.com/Hendrix-Band-...s/master/75366

I also have an release from Australia:
Matrix / Runout (Side A): A MX 162442 2406002 A 2406002-1
Matrix / Runout (Side B): A MX 162443 2406002 B 2406002-2

Front sleeve release title "Hendrix/Band Of Gypsys
Label title "Band Of Gypsies - Jimi Hendrix"

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[billo528]

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full album acetate for Band of Gypsys , mastered by Bob Ludwig at Sterling Sound in NYC

hard to read writing on labels but it's dated 2 18 70 (at bottom of label)

allegedly Jimi's personal copy , hard to verify but scarce just the same

[stplsd]

Track was never an independant label.

Not sure what you mean by this FF. They seem pretty independant by what I've read? Did they not sign artists and release their records, often producing them as well? I realise Track Records (Kit Lambert & Chris ) were pressed and distributed by Polydor, but what other input did Polydor have?

The original Track "Puppet" cover and the slightly later issue gatefold IOW pic sleeve.

I have it that the Puppet cover was only replaced in November 1970

When did Polydor get licence to press this LP?

A licence from whom? From what I have seen, he was paid for the shows by Bill Graham and the Lp was organised, recorded, and paid for by Hendrix? He only handed over the finished LP to Capitol, not the master tapes, they would be Hendrix' property? He was signed to Track/Polydor, Barclay and Reprise (Canada) outside of the US and the deal with Chalpin/Columbia was only for the US [Don't know about Canada, from the photos I see now it came out there on Reprise? It has a dual matrix - Reprise and Capitol, wonder what the deal was, or if there was one?].
Track/Polydor & Barclay could still release what they liked in the rest of the world. As it turned out Chalpin and UK Decca appear to have basically lost their case against Track/Polydor and the Hendrix Estate, when it eventually came to court in London in 1973. From what I can make out all they got was the right to keep selling the studio (only) cuts from their two crap Curtis Knight LP'S and the three singles (only). No free Lp, no percentage.
Chalpin doesn't appear to have taken action against Barclay (France - and few other European countries) [and Reprise (Canada)?]

[Fenders Fingers]

Not sure what you mean by this FF. They seem pretty independant by what I've read? Did they not sign artists and release their records, often producing them as well? I realise Track Records (Kit Lambert & Chris ) were pressed and distributed by Polydor, but what other input did Polydor have?

I have it that the Puppet cover was only replaced in November 1970



A licence from whom? From what I have seen, he was paid for the shows by Bill Graham and the Lp was organised, recorded, and paid for by Hendrix? He only handed over the finished LP to Capitol, not the master tapes, they would be Hendrix' property? He was signed to Track/Polydor, Barclay and Reprise (Canada) outside of the US and the deal with Chalpin/Columbia was only for the US [Don't know about Canada, from the photos I see now it came out there on Reprise? It has a dual matrix - Reprise and Capitol, wonder what the deal was, or if there was one?].
Track/Polydor & Barclay could still release what they liked in the rest of the world. As it turned out Chalpin and UK Decca appear to have basically lost their case against Track/Polydor and the Hendrix Estate, when it eventually came to court in London in 1973. From what I can make out all they got was the right to keep selling the studio (only) cuts from their two crap Curtis Knight LP'S and the three singles (only). No free Lp, no percentage.
Chalpin doesn't appear to have taken action against Barclay (France - and few other European countries) [and Reprise (Canada)?]

Not sure just what is going on here, I have replied to this twice and it seems the post(s) are not showing. Wondering if this will show up!

[Fenders Fingers]

Oh for fucks sake, just how many times do I have to write this shit, lol
3rd time failed again so here we go for the forth and final attempt.

Not sure what you mean by this FF. They seem pretty independant by what I've read? Did they not sign artists and release their records, often producing them as well? I realise Track Records (Kit Lambert & Chris ) were pressed and distributed by Polydor, but what other input did Polydor have?
Track could and did ACT independently but Polydor are / where the parent company. It is not a matter if Polydor had involvement with the day to day of Track. A more recent example would be MCA. MCA acted as an independent company but the parent group was / is Universal.

I have it that the Puppet cover was only replaced in November 1970 ..................... from?



A licence from whom? From what I have seen, he was paid for the shows by Bill Graham and the Lp was organised, recorded, and paid for by Hendrix? He only handed over the finished LP to Capitol, not the master tapes, they would be Hendrix' property? He was signed to Track/Polydor, Barclay and Reprise (Canada) outside of the US and the deal with Chalpin/Columbia was only for the US [Don't know about Canada, from the photos I see now it came out there on Reprise? It has a dual matrix - Reprise and Capitol, wonder what the deal was, or if there was one?].
Track/Polydor & Barclay could still release what they liked in the rest of the world. As it turned out Chalpin and UK Decca appear to have basically lost their case against Track/Polydor and the Hendrix Estate, when it eventually came to court in London in 1973. From what I can make out all they got was the right to keep selling the studio (only) cuts from their two crap Curtis Knight LP'S and the three singles (only). No free Lp, no percentage.
Chalpin doesn't appear to have taken action against Barclay (France - and few other European countries) [and Reprise (Canada)?]

I am unsure if Polydor had an original licence to press this LP. Any licence would have been granted to Track records (to whom Jimi / JHE were /was signed). I do not know if Polydor (being the parent company) had automatic rights to pressing / distributing this product. As you already point out, Track ACTED Independently. So while Track existed as a company could Polydor also distribute / manufacture this LP. Once Track folded they would automatically take on any licence held by Track originally as they are the parent company.

[Fenders Fingers]

Seems to be an issue with "reply with quote" ! Just wondering if this one works.

Oh for fucks sake, just how many times do I have to write this shit, lol
3rd time failed again so here we go for the forth and final attempt.