How do you believe Jimi died?

[MourningStar]

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[stplsd]

Comments on the Classic Rock article:

Note: Nothing about the telephone call to the hospital being made from a phone box as claimed by SD

[Wright] "I kept my mouth shut, although I did tell my close friend, Bob Levine who was part of Jimi’s management team in New York. He told me to disappear.”

[Has Levine commented on this “dissapear” comment? He has said that he contributed to the book,much later, but fell out over Wright’s false claim of Mike’s confession, for which he says Wright gave the excuse that he needed a hook for the book]

John Hillman, the lawyer who administered the offshore company in the Bahamas called Yameta, is adamant that, “The Animals without Mike Jeffery were nothing.”

[Interesting take, certainly debateable]

Some of this ‘Austin Powers – Man of Mystery’ routine may have been employed to impress (and frighten) the young musicians he later had under his wing.

[The conclusion that I came to, although I would say most of it, if not all and I related it to the massive popularity of James Bond at the time, rather than a very late piss take. Not sure I agree with the "frighten" bit, possibly over egging it a tad. There's also the 1963 defection of Kim Philby, and the revelation that he was part of the same Russian spy ring as the earlier, 1951, defectors Burgess & MacLean; the Profumo affair with the scandalous Christine Keeler in 1963; the 1963 best seller Le Carré's The Spy Who Came in from the Cold; The Man from U.N.C.L.E. on TV in 1964, so spying etc. was 'in the news' and 'all the rage'. A perfect time for a physically unimposing older man, slightly built, of average height with a squeaky little voice and weak eyesight to create a more glamorous' image of being a former 'secret agent' to impress some younger, unsophisticated, gullible students and 'rock musicians' , at least two of whom were military fetishists and loved reading paperback novels (Burdon & Chandler) both incidentally members of Yameta as was Jimi (& Alan Price? certainly looks like it, he was apparently the only one that stopped Chas from being sacked from the Animals and became his room mate on tour, they were both close to Mike and distrusted and disliked by the others. The band was the 'Alan Price Combo' , when they got a contract Jeffery only changed the name to make it more commercial. Price took the 'arranger' credit on the two Trad, songs they recorded, the others only complained about 'House' when they realised he was going to make more significantly more money than them. Price also handled their finances, and he and Chas often played manageral roles)]

He earned himself a degree at Newcastle University

[Evidence? Burdon says he dropped out, but he changes the couse he was studying from 'languages and sociology' to 'sociology and political science' in his 2nd book, maybe EB thinks 'politics' is more 'intriguing' than 'languages']

Jimi alone signed a four year management contract with Mike. Not only were Noel and Mitch excluded – even Chas’ name didn’t appear until some time later.

[Evidence? According to what I’ve seen Hendrix signed with Yameta, he had no individual contract with Mike. Chas said that Yameta was him & Mike. Chas said they had a 50/50 share from the start in Eric Burdon ATNA and the JHE. Chas and Burdon were also members of Yameta as was Mike. Mitch & Noel were basically, as he says employees of Yameta, as were the rest of the Animals, except Burdon, Chas and Price. The only original member left who wasn't in the Yameta gang, was Hilton Valentine, who was in effect dumped when the Animals "broke up" ie when Mike, Chas, and Burdon decided to 'break them up' (ie sack Valentine and Rowberry) and promote Eric as 'a star' Eric's chum Jenkins got to keep his 'job' , although Burdon admits he wasn't the greatest]

Chas decided to cut his ties as Jimi’s producer and went back to England, although for the time being, he retained his management interests.

[As seems to be the case, it appears he had some kind of management connection until at least the end of the summer 1969 US tour, and quite possibly still had a business connection after Jimi's death through Jeffery & Chandler Inc. possibly not dissolved until Mike’s death in 1973?]

She said she woke at 10am, saw Jimi was asleep and she went out to get some cigarettes. When she came back about 15 minutes later, she noticed Jimi had been sick and she couldn’t wake him up.

[Time problem. She almost always gives the time she went to sleep as 07:00, and that she woke at , or first discovered Jimi had been sick at 11:00]

until I went down to the hospital. I checked the hospital admissions register for that day, 18th September 1970, but could find no record of Jimi’s admission.
I questioned Walter Price, a hospital porter who had been on duty that day. “Jimi was never admitted,” he told me. “He was taken straight to the morgue.” What he said was not entirely accurate

[Interesting Shapiro says it was him that checked out the admissions and questioned Price. Why hasn't he told us what was inaccurate?]

As Tappy makes clear in his book, and confirmed by everybody in Jimi’s orbit – he regularly fell in love with ‘the woman of his dreams’, showering her with intimate whisperings and promises of undying love. Maybe sometimes he believed it himself, but mostly Jimi was charming his way to sex. It fell to Monika to be
the last woman Jimi would ever woo and she convinced herself that he was sincere about marrying her and setting up home in England.

[Tappy wasn’t in Jimi’s “orbit”. Jimi may well have “regularly fallen in love with ‘the woman of his dreams”, but Wright’s say so has no bearing’ ]

So first on the scene was Eric’s roadie Terry Slater who told Kathy that he and Monika cleared out the flat, going across the road to some adjacent gardens where they buried the drugs. Meanwhile the ambulance drivers arrived to find Jimi dead and alone in the room. Following procedure they tried to resuscitate him in the ambulance, but he was clearly gone and this would explain why they were so relaxed and didn’t rush through the streets. Terry said that he and Monica viewed all this from across the street.

[So, according to Kathy, Slater said this, very dubious, considering her continuing legal battle with Monika at the time, very unlikely that Jimi had more than a small personal stash, he wasn’t a dope dealer, so the melodramitic ‘burying drugs in the garden’ just smells of shite. Slater himself has only made one (very brief) direct statement to the press that I’ve seen and that was in December 1970 where he only mentions visiting the flat the previous evening]

In fact while the new police investigation was under way, the BBC tracked down the original insurance investigator who looked into Jimi’s death who confirmed that he had been looking for ways not to pay, but refused to reveal the contents of his files.

[Evidence? even if turns out to true why bother mentioning it? no news is no news. Why not confirm he was from Warner’s insurance company?]

On the strength of a poem written by Jimi before he died,

[It’s clearly a song, and when exactly it was written is debateable]

a very stoned Eric Burdon went on British television to declare that Jimi had committed suicide which brought a stern warning from Warner Brothers to shut up or else.


[Evidence of Warners threatening him? Easy to believe though, doesn’t mean they did, although his quick retraction and his much later return to that position, although made circumspectly this time, point to the retraction being made under duress, still possibly just by his peers though, later again he said he suspected Monika may have contributed to his death in some unspecified way, but suspects that she may have crushed up the downers and put them in his food or something]

[scoutship]

Just to set the record straight, i think Mj had nothing to do with it and only had things to loose from the loss of his friend.
His 1973 mid-air collision over french military radar covered waters and jimi's muse, falling to her death from a 3rd story building the same year, i think are not co-incidental.

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Not sure what you mean by "the same year." Devon died about 5 months after Jimi, in February '71.

[MourningStar]

Damn, someone disable the phony laugh track, and these 3-D glasses are giving me a headache ...

[goose334]

you're correct about devon, my mistake.

[Ezy Rider]

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Here's the direct link to the article then:

The Mysterious Death of Jimi Hendrix

Was he murdered by a manager with an MI5 past and debts to the Mafia?

Thanks Rupe and Scroutship!

What about this Track party and after-party (?) at Cameron's home? Was MJ there? Is this the same party Jimi was seen mixing lager and wine?

[Ezy Rider]

later again he [Eric Burdon] said he suspected Monika may have contributed to his death in some unspecified way, but suspects that she may have crushed up the downers and put them in his food or something][/SIZE][/I]

why would he think she did that? After all, MD met Jimi in London through EB, he arranged the hotel (and car?), he was called by MD in the morning. Of all people, he should have known MD best at that time.

[stplsd]

why would he think she did that?

Because he had read Tony Brown's The Final Days. And "Privately some of Jimi's friends suspect that Monika" slipped the Vesparax to him to keep him from returning to the US and accidentally killed him. He thinks she may have put them in the fish sandwich. He adds a new story that Ronni Money says MD followed him round Europe (according to everyone in the band they didn't remember her at all, and didn't know she was in London, the only record of any 'meeting' with anyone else in the band, is the one time, with several people in yet another bar after a show nearly a year and a half ago.) and they'd met a couple of times, before she came to London. Apparently Burdon is not aware of the more credible story. It's also quite likely he's garbled Ronni's story a bit, as he does He adds a verbatim quote that Ronni thinks Monika was deluded, thinking she was Jimi's 'old-lady', that she'd only seen him a couple of times previous when Kathy was actually his real 'old-lady.' [Does anyone think any differently?]

He says it's time he forgot Jimi's death, stopped "speculating" and "fantasizing" that he might have prevented it and that it's time to remember his life.

After all, MD met Jimi in London through EB, he arranged the hotel (and car?)

Where did you get that from? What car? She had her own car, she booked her stay at the Samarkand

he was called by MD in the morning. Of all people, he should have known MD best at that time.

She phoned Alvinia not Burdon, she just happened to have been at Burdon's. He only really met her on the day Jimi died. It was Alvinia that was her "friend"

[stplsd]

What about this Track party and after-party (?) at Cameron's home? Was MJ there? Is this the same party Jimi was seen mixing lager and wine?

It wasn't a "Track party" it was Pete Kameron's [that's how his name is actually spelt] a co-manager of the Who amongst other things and no doubut involved with Track too (their US operation possibly?). So, naturally, some of those there would be associated with Track. Alan Douglas had a long standing relationship with Track who handled some of his business outside of America (and also Barclay in France who also handled Jimi's product. Looks like he Jeffery & Jimi may well have had a relationship for longer than we think.
There are only two parties that have been verified - Harvey's and Kameron's. The curious thing about Kameron's is that no one mentions Kathy's "witness" Angie Burdon being there, apart from Angie herself - doesn't mean she wasn't there of course.

The alleged lager and wine incident is clearly either a yarn (as it seems) or, more charitably, a confusion for another time.

[Ezy Rider]

Thanks for the replies. I will have to look into the EB-MD meeting, hotel and car bit, if I can find it

[goose334]

Alan Douglas sept.13 1970
Jeffery met in the offices of the Track Records in Old Compton Street. Mike broke it by saying, "Alan, I need to contact to contact Jimi." I did not want to know why he was looking for him because I did not want anything to do with him, he seemed desperate and kept saying he had urgent business with Jimi and you absolutely had to see him, he was so insistent that I finally said "Look, okay, I'll try to track it down and refer him" The next day I talked to Jimi gets angry a lot.

translated from
Incontrai Jeffery negli uffici della Track Records in Old Compton Street. Mike vi fece irruzione dicendo “Alan, mi devi m ettere in contat to co n Jimi!”. Non volli sapere i motivi per cui lo cercava perché non volevo aver niente a che fare con lui, mi sembrò disperato e continuava a dire che aveva degli affari urgenti con Jimi e che assolutamente doveva vederlo, fu talmente insistente che alla fine gli dissi “ Senti, va bene, cercherò di rintracciarlo e glielo riferirò” Il giorno dopo ne parlai a Jimi che si incazzò tantissimo.

Does any one have the raw english quote?

[stplsd]

Does any one have the raw english quote?

It's from Setting The Record Straight:

"I had seen Jeffery myself the day before [Thursday 13 September] in Danny Halpern's office at Track Records on Old Compton Street. He burst in saying, 'Alan, you have to get me in touch with him.' I pretended not to know anything because [he didn't know anything more than Mike by the looks of it, they both knew he was staying at the Cumberland and there are witnesses that Jimi spent time there at different points of that day and spent the night there, Jeffery had just flown into London that day and Jimi obviously wasn't at the hotel at that point. Chalpin was arriving in only three days time, on the 16th, for a preliminary hearing over his Polydor case.] I didn't want to get in the middle of it all. Jeffery was desperate, saying he had urgent business [the PPX case] and had to see him. I said, 'Look, I'll try to get in touch with him.' I told Hendrix the next day and he 'blew me off'" [what's that supposed to mean? sounds like a sex act Douglas apparently did meet Hendrix the next day and they, Stella, Devon & probably Secunda went for an evening meal at a Moroccan restaurant in Fulham Rd. Later they went back to Secunda's, where AD & Co were staying, and Douglas claims they stayed up all night talking (very dubiously claiming Jimi wanted him to be his manager) and that Jimi accompanied him to the airport for his morning flight back to New York. Devon and Stella staying behind in London for a bit longer].

[stplsd]

The party host:

[Mostly by Ken Hunt, London] Peter Kameron was a man who straddled many fields of the arts and entertainment. He was born in New York City on 18 March 1921 and went on to become the personal manager for a number of US music acts in the 1950s and the 1960s, signally amongst them, the Weavers and the Modern Jazz Quartet.
He broadened his approach and built on his expertise and experience to become part of the management team around The Who. [...] Kameron [was/became a co-owner of Kit Lambert & Chris Stamp's] Track Records (1967-1978). Kameron’s precise role in [...] this is ill-defined and unclear but he was there [he was at least a "co-manager" of the Who, and was photographed recieving a gold disc along with Stamp, Lambert and the Who members. (He has remarkably long hair for a business man of fifty at the time, hanging over his shoulders)].
Kameron never stayed wholly within music, [he was also involved in] independent film-making including You Better Watch Out, film score work (interestingly Stamp and Lambert met when they were working on the same film) and various publishing activities, most notably with the L.A. Weekly. Towards the end of his life, he channeled part of his money into endowing a chair at the UCLA Law School. He died at his home in Beverly Hills, California on 29 June 2008.

[Scrum Drum]

Seriously, that's quite comical, point to Scrum for entertainment value there.

Love to see a computer-image reenactment of the vomit plug going in after to cap the wine which was also in his hair and such, according to which bits of the various statements on record one selects and distorts per need.

You're mocking established fact. Apparently some people are so arrogant they think they are above answering established fact. These people grant themselves the privilege of not having to answer the proven and then going right to haughty self-reference and mocking while being visibly unable to answer the point. Thanks, what that serves to do is show people you can't answer the facts, therefore those facts and their veracity are reinforced. Unfortunately this thread suffers because it is choked by this invalid material. If you look at Scoutship's reply above he doesn't necessarily deny that the plug of vomit confirms it was Jimi - seeing as it was witnessed independently by separate people and serves as a forensic indicator.


The point stands that the ambulance attendants more than clearly described a plug of vomit "all the way down" in Jimi's windpipe. Since they said they were unable to establish an airway therefore that unpenetrated plug was still in Jimi's windpipe when Bannister received him. STP is lying and Bannister did precisely say "after I unplugged a cork of vomit masses of red wine issued out". That plug was obviously the same plug identified by the attendants and was the forensic feature that was holding the wine in. This trumps the 'Tall Man' excuse and establishes a reasonable evidentiary confirmation that indeed the man Bannister treated and remembered pulling "bottles worth" of wine out of was Jimi Hendrix. Why deny it? Everything points towards it and we know Bannister treated Jimi. Your non-existent "Tall Man" ain't gonna save you from this conclusive proof.


Physiologically, the stomach being full of wine as well, has a musculature and nervous system that is designed for vomiting evacuation. The lungs don't. They aren't designed to hold bottles worth of wine. When the death reflex is engaged the stomach system takes precedent over the lung system as far as vomiting evacuation. The wine being trapped in the lungs is easily explained because the stomach vomit would take precedence over any lung ejecta. Especially under partial barbiturate paralysis. The epiglottis would be like a railway switch set in the stomach direction. When the heart stopped beating this 'switch' would simply stay in place and freeze the hard stomach vomit in place in the trachea. It's common sense that doctors often find drowning victims with lungs still full of water. You're just doubting the easily medically-explainable and therefore establishing the lack of credibility in your arguments.








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[Scrum Drum]

[And where exactly does Bannister say this? I'll hazard a guess and say nowhere, apart from your own overworked imagination

He doesn't state that he "unplugged" anything.

Smart people would see that STP wasn't able to answer an obvious point. The reason he didn't bother to answer it is because he knows it's true. This is not a person attempting anything close to honest argument.


What STP couldn't answer is the simple fact that since the attendants more than clearly established there was a hard, dry plug of vomit in Jimi's windpipe, that they couldn't penetrate with their equipment, that therefore that plug necessarily had to still be there when Bannister received him. STP attempted yet another magic trick by trying to divert attention to specific semantics, but anyone can see he's doing that because he's been driven to it by being unable to answer the basic point. It should be more than clear that Bannister had no option but to remove that plug since no one had from the time the attendants identified it until Bannister received Jimi. What STP is indirectly admitting here is that, yes, by all reasonable logic the man with the plug of vomit at the Samarkand was indeed the same man with the plug of vomit at the hospital. And we know from all established facts that that man was indeed Jimi Hendrix. Add the wine-soaked scarf Bannister corroborated from Monika's photos and we are well past deniability (though some refuse admit that).


STP is now officially done and anyone who takes him seriously from now on does so at their own risk. He clearly can't answer the proof.


The "Tall Man" just went POOF!

[purple jim]

This trumps the 'Tall Man' excuse and establishes a reasonable evidentiary confirmation that indeed the man Bannister treated and remembered pulling "bottles worth" of wine out of was Jimi Hendrix. Why deny it?

If you believe everything that Bannister said, he clearly states that he had worked on an "unusually tall man". So it plainly wasn't Jimi Hendrix (who wasn't the only man in medical history to have had a trachea blocked with vomit). The other doctor said that they only worked on Jimi for a few minutes as he was so obviously stone dead, rather than Bannister's supposed half hour of attempted ressucitation (on another corpse - or invented for personnal reasons).

[stplsd]

Smart people would see that [SD] wasn't able to answer the obvious point[s STPLSD made]. The reason he didn't bother to answer [them] is because he knows [they are undeniable]. [SD] is not a person attempting anything close to honest argument.

They will also note that he just makes up false quotes throughout his numerous posts and put's words in peoples mouths that they never said and that he adds 1+1 and get's five as an answer.

This is where you are clearly shown to be inventing quotes yet again:

Here's where STP gets firmly hung by his own petard.

It's "hoist (it means ‘blown up’ SD) with" not "hung by" you just can't get your quotes right. How can you get "firmly hung" (mmm, hello sailor!) by a bomb!

Here's a barefaced lie:

Bannister's statement that he "unplugged a cork of vomit from Jimi's windpipe, upon which masses of red wine then issued out"

He doesn't state that he "unplugged" anything.

Bannister contradicts the story of dried vomit by his statements:

This is what Bannister actually said: "PRIOR TO SUCTION, there was wine and gastric contents exuding from his mouth," ie in a liquid state and mixed, then later in his 1993 Times interview, when told that no one else including the pathologist mentioned wine, "He expressed surprise"... [replying]: "It was coming out of his nose and out of his mouth," "there was wine all over him" ie in both statements there is no "plug", and he's claiming that the wine was there for all to see.

This "plug" scenario is a medical science and Bannister defying invention by SD to attempt to wriggle out of why no-one else saw any wine (obviously not noticing the above statements). SD claims that a hitherto unobserved medical miracle took place. That as Jimi was "waterboarded", so he claims, he vomited, inhaling some (he would have been inhaling wine from the start as well don't forget) then the rest of his lungs filled with wine, almost to the point of death (claiming that Jimi didn't swallow up to that point, so wine didn't go into his stomach), then, nearly dead (he would have been stone dead already with the vomit down to "the smaller bronchi" and the claimed very large amount of wine in his lungs), managed to vomit again (copiously this time) which "corked" in the large amount of wine, then "masses" more wine just by-passed the large amount of vomit and went into his stomach but didn't mix with the other contents. A vomit/wine/vomit "plug"/wine/other stomach contents, a miracle sandwich. Then Bannister's "medical staff" ie the nurses (so far unidentified and likely to remain so.), after the other two doctors had left, (Bannister said Jimi was obviously long dead, DOA) spent half an hour, in an apparenty busy casualty ward, managing to suck out all the wine, miraculously leaving behind the contents of a "medium sized meal" and vomited material in the lungs down to the smaller bronchi - nearly half a litre in one - for Teare to discover .
This is how SD explains that red wine wasn't found in his lungs and stomach contents at the autopsy. He can't rationally explain how the wine in his lungs wouldn't mix significantly with the vomit and that in the stomach wouldn't mix with the remains of a medium sized meal there. He can't rationally explain the biological miracle that created his allegedly clearly demarcated 5 tier vomit and wine sandwich. (One could almost think from SD's scenario that Bannister was part of the conspiracy - waiting till the other main witnesses had left, then removing the evidence)
Nevermind that Bannister said that, prior to suction, it was in a liquid state anyway, flowing out of his nose and mouth for all to see.
'Death by red wine' requires this bogus scenario and it's series of medical miracles to explain away why no one else saw any wine. Don't forget Jimi was manipulated onto a stretcher, up an awkward staircase, driven at high speed round corners and over bumps, manhandled into the casualty, with all the sloshing around of his stomach contents that would neccessarily entail, and the ambulance crew, who claimed he was dead (for an article in Straight Ahead), yet claiming to have worked on him till they got to the hospital. SD's idea for his "plug" fantasy came because the crew said they couldn't get the aspirator through the vomit which they say "went all the way down," "there was a hell of a lot of it" "couldn't shift that lot" claiming it was dry, but then again that he was lying in a "pool" of vomit ie it was still liquid. Bannister on the other hand only says it was in a liquid state and wine was clearly visible (with other gastric contents) flowing out his nose and mouth.

And now an example of SD introducing a blatant canard:

we know from all established facts that man was indeed Jimi Hendrix.

I have never argued he wasn't. I have never argued that Bannister's wine story was other than a pathetic attempt at an alibi Or that he probably made up the tall man bit because he had read that Jimi was tall and added that bit on later. See link to page:
http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthr...mi-died/page23

[kdion11]

1) The Scotland Yard tracing of the call to the pay phone is well-known and true.


2) Both my claims about Slater and this call were correct..

KD: Well known and true ? How ? The Musician Magazine article on Jimi's death says the call didn't come from a pay phone
but came direct from the Samarkand Hotel. Again, nothing but hearsay, rumors and theories.

[stplsd]

^
And the one from Classic Rock doesn't even mention a phone call

Again, SD is just making it up as he goes along

[kdion11]

I can help. Being retired I have the time, thus, for me everyday is Saturday!

Thanks ! Send me your regular email address via a personal message on the board and I will send
you the PDF files. I cannot convert them to JPGs on this computer, and this board won't take PDF's
as an attachment.

Much obliged. KD