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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    perhaps there is a connection with Pali Gap because he played the instrumental also at Maui. Maybe they came up with the name in the studio (by Jefferey) when working on the Rainbow Bridge Album. Jefferey had at home a Woodstock. He would have known Villanova station. Should check the dates though when VNB appears first.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    perhaps there is a connection with Pali Gap because he played the instrumental also at Maui. .
    Did Jimi write set lists? Would be interesting to see what Jimi titled these songs/what Billy and Mitch (and in the case of Woodstock Juma and Larry Lee) knew these pieces as when they came up live.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    I only know of a set list of Isle of Wight, written on a page torn from a Dylan songbook. How many of these instrumentals and songs Hendrix did in the studio did have actual names? Moreover, many changed and morphed over time. VJB was just that probably, an instrumental. If it had a title, only Juma could tell.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    perhaps there is a connection with Pali Gap because he played the instrumental also at Maui. Maybe they came up with the name in the studio (by Jefferey) when working on the Rainbow Bridge Album. Jefferey had at home a Woodstock. He would have known Villanova station. Should check the dates though when VNB appears first.
    I think it was just a 'boot' name someone used and it caught on.....it never was an 'entity' in itself, AFAIK the only times JH ever played it live, it was always just part of of a 'medley'....as far as dates?????
    The 1st pressing of RD Live Forum '70 doesn't list it.....
    http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/...RE_RARE_1st_ED
    tho' most of know it's on there....
    when RD pressed the LA Forum as 'Enjoy Hendrix', all of a sudden it's now listed as 'Villanova Junction Blues'
    RD was a boot 'company' in LA, so I doubt they had much of an awareness of NY train stations.
    The only other early boot...'Incident at Rainbow Bridge', doesn't list it either.
    It also evolved in that JH played it more 'punchier' and added a new chord change to bring it back to the verse.
    I really doubt Jeffery had anything to do with it, unless he intended to release it,which he didn't.
    It's just a 'jam'....like 'Jam Back At The House' all of a sudden became 'Beginnings'.
    "Getting My Brothers Shoes Together' was an early name for 'Lover Man', etc.
    tho' from what I read and the audio evidence JH wanted to complete a studio version of 'Lover man'.

    J.L.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Lucas View Post
    when RD pressed the LA Forum as 'Enjoy Hendrix', all of a sudden it's now listed as 'Villanova Junction Blues'
    and when was this? not in the 1970 boot? Also, it is mostly associated with the Woodstock performance, I would expect to find it named there first, boot or not.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    and when was this? not in the 1970 boot? Also, it is mostly associated with the Woodstock performance, I would expect to find it named there first, boot or not.
    the 2nd pressing of the LA Forum had the name 'Villanova Junction'(sorry...it was not Villanova Junction Blues), that's the 1st appearance of this name for the 'instrumental jam'(which is just what it was) appeared to me.
    Hendrix even stated at the time that after Voodoo Child...he was just jamming....
    Cox stated he didn't know about the SSB thing until JH just started to go into it.....just ad-lib stuff tacked.
    the 'solo improv.' never had/got a name either...
    it's just a live improv. thing, ....I don't know about it being mostly associated with Woodstock tho'..The SSB seems to be associated with Woodstock, tho' JH had been using that live for a while.
    Not sure what your getting at but 'Villanova Junction' has nothing to do with being a 'Hendrix composition(to me)'...
    someone(probably a bootlegger' just put it on) and it stuck.
    Well.....that's my take on it..
    here's some info about it...
    http://books.google.com/books?id=JEd...tudios&f=false
    J.L.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Lucas View Post
    the 2nd pressing of the LA Forum had the name 'Villanova Junction'(sorry...it was not Villanova Junction Blues), that's the 1st appearance of this name for the 'instrumental jam'(which is just what it was) appeared to me.
    Hendrix even stated at the time that after Voodoo Child...he was just jamming....
    Cox stated he didn't know about the SSB thing until JH just started to go into it.....just ad-lib stuff tacked.
    the 'solo improv.' never had/got a name either...
    it's just a live improv. thing, ....I don't know about it being mostly associated with Woodstock tho'..The SSB seems to be associated with Woodstock, tho' JH had been using that live for a while.
    Not sure what your getting at but 'Villanova Junction' has nothing to do with being a 'Hendrix composition(to me)'...
    someone(probably a bootlegger' just put it on) and it stuck.
    Well.....that's my take on it..
    here's some info about it...
    http://books.google.com/books?id=JEd...tudios&f=false
    J.L.
    fair enough, you are welcome!

    but again, what year was the second pressing of the Rubber Dubber boot? I checked the web and In From the Storm lists two Rubber Dubbers but no years:
    1)
    Live at The Los Angeles Forum 4-25-70 (Rubber Dubber 70-001 / - / 2LP) (gatefold sleeve) ftbfs: B044a
    (Los Angeles Forum, Los Angeles, CA 25.04.70 [Almost Complete* - 1st Source (Near source)])
    [* There's about a 1 min cut in the middle of "Ezy Rider" (16) on this source.]
    notes:
    - Matrix: Record 1: Side 1: 70-001-01A b/w Side 4: 70-001-04D / Record 2: Side 2: 70-001-02B b/w Side 3: 70-001-03C.
    - The front cover of these two albums are slightly different; One has a circular logo stamp in the lower right corner, while the other has a stamp that says "Yours truly, Rubber Dubber".
    2)
    Live at The L.A.Forum 4-25-70 - 'Scuse Me ... While I Kiss The Sky (Rubber Dubber - / - / 2LP) ftbfs: B044a
    (Los Angeles Forum, Los Angeles, CA 25.04.70 [Almost Complete*; 1st Source (Near source)])
    [* There's about a 1 min cut in the middle of "Ezy Rider" (16) on this source. On this particular release
    "Hear My Train A-Comin'" (38) is also edited from 9:24 down to 7:07.]
    notes:
    - Matrix: Record 1: Side 1: 9002-1 and S-2334 b/w Side 4: 9002-4 and S-2337 / Record 2: Side 2: 9002-2 and S-2335 b/w Side 3: 9002-3 and S-2336


    I checked your link and, possibly, it was Mike Ephron who named the song on the second pressing of the Flyer, retitled In Experience (can't check though). The Rubber Dubber bootleggers may have used this for their second pressing. It needs no mention of course that Ephron recorded these at the Shokan House in Woodstock, and probably would have known Villanova station/junction.

    There is quite some info in the Benjamin Franklin Studio book, in which Ephron even claims writing credits for Stepping Stone and Villanova Junction:

    http://books.google.nl/books?id=JEde...nction&f=false

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    but again, what year was the second pressing of the Rubber Dubber boot? I checked the web and In From the Storm lists two Rubber Dubbers but no years:
    I checked your link and, possibly, it was Mike Ephron who named the song on the second pressing of the Flyer, retitled In Experience (can't check though). The Rubber Dubber bootleggers may have used this for their second pressing. It needs no mention of course that Ephron recorded these at the Shokan House in Woodstock, and probably would have known Villanova station/junction.

    There is quite some info in the Benjamin Franklin Studio book, in which Ephron even claims writing credits for Stepping Stone and Villanova Junction:

    http://books.google.nl/books?id=JEde...nction&f=false
    Well.from what I get out of poking around is that Rubber Dubber did exclusive LA Forum recordings....they recorded it, pressed it, sold them....so these were available during Hendrix lifetime....I think 2nd pressing is the wrong term...I guess I meant revised....I don't think they stopped pressing them at all, until they got shut down....when exactly Rubber Dubber switch to the 'Enjoy Hendrix' cover seems to be unknown....I purchased it after Hendrix death....
    somebody was asking for info on the RD Enjoy Hendrix LA Forum...
    got a link to this site(http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip...153/index.html)
    ....but it doesn't have a year for the 'Enjoy Hendrix' one either....
    Attachment 21046
    an interesting(and funny) posting from a guy that worked for the printing press that made the covers in Texas during summer of '70
    http://www.texaschainsawmassacre.net...ry/rubber.html

    Interesting theory about Ephron....
    You mean on the revised 'This Flyer' it has the name 'Villanova Junction'?
    seems like a fair bet to me....thanks for pointing that out.
    J.L.
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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    fair enough, you are welcome!

    but again, what year was the second pressing of the Rubber Dubber boot? I checked the web and In From the Storm lists two Rubber Dubbers but no years:
    1)


    2)




    I checked your link and, possibly, it was Mike Ephron who named the song on the second pressing of the Flyer, retitled In Experience (can't check though). The Rubber Dubber bootleggers may have used this for their second pressing. It needs no mention of course that Ephron recorded these at the Shokan House in Woodstock, and probably would have known Villanova station/junction.

    There is quite some info in the Benjamin Franklin Studio book, in which Ephron even claims writing credits for Stepping Stone and Villanova Junction:

    http://books.google.nl/books?id=JEde...nction&f=false
    Here's a link to a copy of "In Experience" with handwritten labels.
    http://www.springair.de/tontraeger/r...-in-experience

    The track is listed as "Instrumental Solo" just like on the Woodstock release, so this release probably ain't the origin of the name "Villanova Junction".
    Ephron claimed composer credits on all the tracks on the cash-in LP releases....

    On the Rubber Dubber "Enjoy Jimi Hendrix" it's not listed at all. Check out the back cover here.

    http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3092587

    So that ain't it either.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by dino77 View Post
    Here's a link to a copy of "In Experience" with handwritten labels.
    http://www.springair.de/tontraeger/r...-in-experience

    The track is listed as "Instrumental Solo" just like on the Woodstock release, so this release probably ain't the origin of the name "Villanova Junction".
    Ephron claimed composer credits on all the tracks on the cash-in LP releases....

    On the Rubber Dubber "Enjoy Jimi Hendrix" it's not listed at all. Check out the back cover here.

    http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3092587

    So that ain't it either.
    Thanks Dino for the doublecheck!

    So, we are back where we started. If bootleggers conjured up this title, it must have been very late. The earliest reference I could find on In From the Storm is a CD from 1995 (renaming a song that was first bootlegged in 1993):

    Diamonds in the Dust (Midnight Beat MBCD 022-023 / 1995 / 2CD) ftbfs: B489
    (Outtakes 1968-70 plus John McLaughlin Jam, New York City, NY 25.03.69 / Buddy Miles Jam, New York City, NY 14.11.69 / Richie Havens Jam, New York City, NY summer 1970 *)
    [* JS34 / JS35 listed as "Villanova Junction / Ships Passing In The Night"]

    http://home.online.no/~hpjohnse/hendrix.html

    If it has anything to do with the Woodstock version or Mike Ephron's rip-off, any release of that version with the title Villanova Junction should have appeared around that time, i.e. 1993-1995. It may of course still be another stroke of ingenuity on the part of the bootleggers. We can make a whole list of song names they came up with. Bolero? etc.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    Thanks Dino for the doublecheck!

    So, we are back where we started. If bootleggers conjured up this title, it must have been very late. The earliest reference I could find on In From the Storm is a CD from 1995 (renaming a song that was first bootlegged in 1993):

    Diamonds in the Dust (Midnight Beat MBCD 022-023 / 1995 / 2CD) ftbfs: B489
    (Outtakes 1968-70 plus John McLaughlin Jam, New York City, NY 25.03.69 / Buddy Miles Jam, New York City, NY 14.11.69 / Richie Havens Jam, New York City, NY summer 1970 *)
    [* JS34 / JS35 listed as "Villanova Junction / Ships Passing In The Night"]

    http://home.online.no/~hpjohnse/hendrix.html

    If it has anything to do with the Woodstock version or Mike Ephron's rip-off, any release of that version with the title Villanova Junction should have appeared around that time, i.e. 1993-1995. It may of course still be another stroke of ingenuity on the part of the bootleggers. We can make a whole list of song names they came up with. Bolero? etc.

    The first time I saw the title was on the first official Woodstock video:
    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...elease/3249659

    From 1992. Perhaps this is the source of the title? The song plays as festival goers are leaving the site. On their way to Villanova to catch a train? I'm not sure if that would be logical. But maybe Douglas though it might be fitting.
    Consider that in the first edition of Electric Gypsy from 1989, which was the benchmark for Hendrix scholars back then, it was called "Instrumental Solo".

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by dino77 View Post
    On the Rubber Dubber "Enjoy Jimi Hendrix" it's not listed at all. Check out the back cover here.
    http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3092587
    So that ain't it either.
    Yep...you're right.....I was looking at one of the non-RD images of 'Enjoy Hendrix'..
    I was too lazy to go and find my LP., so I looked it up in 'images' on Google.
    J.L.

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by dino77 View Post
    The first time I saw the title was on the first official Woodstock video:
    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...elease/3249659

    From 1992. Perhaps this is the source of the title? The song plays as festival goers are leaving the site. On their way to Villanova to catch a train? I'm not sure if that would be logical. But maybe Douglas though it might be fitting.
    Consider that in the first edition of Electric Gypsy from 1989, which was the benchmark for Hendrix scholars back then, it was called "Instrumental Solo".
    Thanks again Dino!

    Sounds very plausible and very logical, but browsing the site (great info site!) I found this Maui boot of 1990 mentioning Villanova Junction:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...release/569643

    There is also another boot listing Villanova Junction, "Jimi Hendrix Maui Hawaii" of the Trade Mark of Quality but has no year. I got this one on tape from a friend-collector back in the days should also have been around that time . . . TMOQ was/is operating since the early seventies if you check the site:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-.../master/401872


    Oops, and browsing the site further, Trade Mark of Quality produced a Maui boot including this title in 1971!:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...elease/3206272

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    Thanks again Dino!

    Sounds very plausible and very logical, but browsing the site (great info site!) I found this Maui boot of 1990 mentioning Villanova Junction:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...release/569643

    There is also another boot listing Villanova Junction, "Jimi Hendrix Maui Hawaii" of the Trade Mark of Quality but has no year. I got this one on tape from a friend-collector back in the days should also have been around that time . . . TMOQ was/is operating since the early seventies if you check the site:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-.../master/401872


    Oops, and browsing the site further, Trade Mark of Quality produced a Maui boot including this title in 1971!:

    http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...elease/3206272
    "Last American Concert" actually lists it as "Instrumental", but looks like "Broadcasts" is now our earliest clue.... Thanks!

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezy Rider View Post
    Oops, and browsing the site further, Trade Mark of Quality produced a Maui boot including this title in 1971!: http://www.discogs.com/Jimi-Hendrix-...elease/3206272
    I got this in late 1970/early 71. Plain white cover stamped with 'trademark' (pig) label, just had plain, edge to edge '1' and '2' etc across the label (same, coloured vinyl ) - sold it not long after
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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Good points..... 'studio logs '' that would be a primary source.

    In Curtis Knight's biography "Jimi: An intimate portrait of Jimi Hendrix" (1974 ; fifth printing 1978)
    ... on p. 213 in the appendix in back of the book: "A Jimi Hendrix Discography, compiled by John McKellar",
    p. 213 -- gives Villanova Junction Blues in 'Woodstock II,
    Polydor 2402 003 (GB) Recorded live at Woodstock, 17/8/68' (sic.)

    [He got the year wrong].

    So who was John McKellar, and how did he come to write Villanova Junction Blues
    in this compilation 5 years after?
    My stop: Villanova Junction

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Yes, I too had heard it had something to do with an actual place in and around the NY area--- or even some area that people referred to as Villanova Junction. I might have been the only stop for some people leaving on a train out of NYC, maybe? or one of the ways one would go... Or something like that....

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Jimi took his sole holiday in Andalucia, Spain.
    There is a Villanova Junction on the railway line there.
    It's desolate and unattended.

    It's a possibility...

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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    Quote Originally Posted by elmo7sharp9 View Post
    Jimi took his sole holiday in Andalucia, Spain.
    Not.
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    Re: Does anyone know where the title Villanova Junction Blues came from?

    For what it's worth. I seem to remember that somebody on CTT once posted that the Villanova Junction title was confirmed by Billy Cox. (brush with Alzheimer )

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