"Until We Meet Again : The Last Weeks Of Jimi Hendrix"

[MourningStar]

copy arrived 40 min ago. Reading session 2night with ITW on 'phones :-)

I hold my breath until I read your, what is sure to be, most interesting critique/review.

bump (nothing more?)

[Vibratory]

Seifert modified his story. Hell, so did everyone else!

This book is an excellent rebuttal to the Etchinham/Mitchell findings never mind the Jeffery conspiracy.

Some points of the book that I found particularly strong:
It claims to portray the most likely scenario. And in that it succeeded imo.
Harvey's accounts are discredited. (However the row with MD is not disproven.)
The 'mess' in the bed scenario has now been totally demolished!
There are others but I wont say too much more.

Weaknesses:
Only one major weakness in the book I can mention: What the hell happened at Cameron's!?!?!? In regard to MDs behaviour with the doorbell and Jimi being annoyed or what?
Ceasar seems to pick MDs side disregarding Stella and Angie's accounts eventhough he mentions them.

Nitpicking about which statemenst were made when and by whom and amateur analysis about their motifs aside, ask yourself this:
Another strong point of the book (at least one I never even contemplated):
Rigor mortis, If Jimi was dead since atleast 6:00 (etchingham/mitchell) he would have been STIFF! Jimi was put on a chair to get him into the ambulance.
Picture yourself these guys trying to 'fold' a stiff Jimi corpse into this chair and clumsily getting him out of the tight staircase. come on!
But even if you believe this slapstick scenario then why the ambulance would transport an obvious deceased person? This was absolutly NOT done.
Why would they try to resuscitate obvious deceased person in the casualty ward. Again never done.
Answer, Jimi had a pulse and combined with the, at least to me new testimony about the XXXXXXXXXX (read it in the book) It is proven Jimi arrived alive at St. Mary's making faul play by MD a very unlikey scenario however (in theory) not impossible.
I think this book should be the capstone on your Jimi literature collection.

One question remains however: What The Hell is a SLEUTH!!
(oh found it on google, ok clears that up)

[purple jim]

The ambulance men didn't want to be seen as utter incompetants, so they must have covered their tracks by saying that he was already dead. "Dee Mitchell" might also have primed them in order to work herself futher into Kathy's confidence.
One thing that the men said however was that the gas fire was on when they arrived at the flat. If that part is true, then the room would have been warm and heat accelerates rigor mortis!
Some drugs can slightly delay rigor mortis, though I have found nothing on the web which says that barbs can do this (Purple Jim: amateur sleuth!).

[Fenders Fingers]

Wow, it looks like things got pretty ugly in this thread.

So, how is the book?
Is it any good?
Should I pick it up?

Fasinating
Yes
Yes

[Vibratory]

Youre such a sleuth!

[Herman Cherusken]

Wow this thread sure provided som good reading materials, and why did no one think of this rigor mortis thing before? Have to check up on how fast it sets in. And Im kinda shocked if the ambulance men altered/manipulated their story of the actual events, and if Jimi actually was alive when arriving to the hospital. And why did it need 40 years for this "new" information to pop up, if this will be anywhere close to the final words on the matter.

At the same time, such sad reading, how Jimi lost control of it all, but where the music seems to have held it together for the longest time, as a focal point for Jimi to keep going. Life aint easy, to get all the aspects together and find ones place in the world. And then to have come from nowhere and with Jimi's particular upbringing, to reach megastardom and become the number one rock icon during the worst hippie and drug era where the pitfalls are plenty. They can say Jimi was weak, but I doubt many would survive that...

[MourningStar]

KD, SD HAS BEEN MODERATED :-)

[Vibratory]

well ofcourse rigor mortis is not the ultimate clincher Ceasar portrays it to be. Though a very strong argument it is.

According to Wiki:

Rigor mortis (Latin meaning "stiffness of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death that is caused by a chemical change in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.^[1] In humans it commences after about 3 hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 72 hours (3 days) after death.^{[citation needed]} Heat sources such as fire can speed up the process of rigor mortis.

Still leaves a lot of room for die-hard conspirators to maneuver in. Ill leave that to the Sleuths!!

[MourningStar]

...Still leaves a lot of room for die-hard conspirators to maneuver in. Ill leave that to the Sleuths!!

Unfortunately, the major voice for this camp has been silenced by the site's law enforcement.

[Vibratory]

LOL!

[Fenders Fingers]

well ofcourse rigor mortis is not the ultimate clincher Ceasar portrays it to be. Though a very strong argument it is.

According to Wiki:

Rigor mortis (Latin meaning "stiffness of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death that is caused by a chemical change in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.^[1] In humans it commences after about 3 hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 72 hours (3 days) after death.^{[citation needed]} Heat sources such as fire can speed up the process of rigor mortis.

Still leaves a lot of room for die-hard conspirators to maneuver in. Ill leave that to the Sleuths!!

Wiki, as usual, is far too general. RM differs in many if not all cases.

[purple jim]

well ofcourse rigor mortis is not the ultimate clincher Ceasar portrays it to be. Though a very strong argument it is.

According to Wiki:

Rigor mortis (Latin meaning "stiffness of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death that is caused by a chemical change in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.^[1] In humans it commences after about 3 hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 72 hours (3 days) after death.^{[citation needed]} Heat sources such as fire can speed up the process of rigor mortis.

Still leaves a lot of room for die-hard conspirators to maneuver in. Ill leave that to the Sleuths!!

Don't take Wiki as gospel. I looked further (university and medical sites) and found this sort of thing:

"In temperate climates, under average conditions, rigor becomes apparent within half an hour to an hour, increases progressively to a maximum within twelve hours..."

China Medical University - Forensic Medecine

[MourningStar]

Don't take Wiki as gospel ...

When using Wiki, reliable entries will have verifiable source and reference annotations. When present you may take it as gospel.

[Vibratory]

See what I mean? you sleuths!
I woke up last night with a dead arm...and I thought: "hey rigor mortis!" brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I completely finished the book and I have to conclude it is good. I feel mislead by the ketchingham/mitchell investigation and cocnlcusions.
In the end it seems you pick your favorite version and believe whatever you want. They can all be substantiated in one form or another.

I don't care anymore this is officially my last post EVER concerning Jimi's death unless some new and fucking amazing hard evidence comes to light.

Cheers and adios!

[MourningStar]

In the end it seems you pick your favorite version and believe whatever you want.

yeah, but keep any pro-conspiracy stuff elsewhere, or ...

[Pali Gap]

Sounds like a load of unsubstantiated rubbish to me from CG....those letters are laughable as evidence I could have typed those. Personaly I think the original ambulence attendence testimonies are the nearest to the truth we will ever get. I dont know where he got their subsequent contridictory evidence from and its very strange he doesnt question their about turn. He need a lot more evidence to discredit them. Apart from that I reckon no one in the hospital would even remember working on Hendrix or his admittance to the hospital, it was more than 40 years ago. They would have had many emergencies that night.

[scoutship]

]Sounds like a load of unsubstantiated rubbish to me from CG....those letters are laughable as evidence

Lest we forget, CG's "clincher" re: some of Jimi's Army discharge docs was that somebody apparently told him they were written in the wrong colored ink, which was ludicrous in the way of any type of credible rejection of 'em.

Among other things...





(fwiw somethin' seems to've gone haywire in the bb code, and what's with all the "Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?" pop ups when I try to edit or go to some other part of the forum? Just sayin'...)

[stplsd]

Personaly I think the original ambulence attendence testimonies are the nearest to the truth we will ever get.

So, you are willing to take Kathy & Dee's unsubstantiated word as printed in Straight Ahead mag that they said whatever? For whatever reason

Sounds like a load of unsubstantiated rubbish to me from CG....those letters are laughable as evidence I could have typed those.

So the letters from Bannister are just rubbish that Caesar made up then?

[stplsd]

They can all be substantiated in one form or another.

Of course they can't

[stplsd]

why did no one think of this rigor mortis thing before? Have to check up on how fast it sets in.

They did - Sharpstat on 06-24-10:
"You cannot delay rigor mortis which also is accompanied by post mortem lividity which sets in first due to the pooling of blood in the lower extremities due to a non functioning heart."

http://crosstowntorrents.org/showthr...rtis#post32204

And Im kinda shocked if the ambulance men altered/manipulated their story of the actual events.

The whole point is that the ambulance men may well not have said anything of the kind, there is no signed statement, their words were only as reported by Kathy & Dee Mitchell, printed by Straight Ahead mag. They may, of course have felt pressured into "remembering" things not quite how they were